Vauxhall VXR (Gen F GTS) v BMW M5 Review......

[jaykay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm9evmWObk

[macca_779]

Comparing a car that cost about $100k more here.. Yeah it would want to be better in every way wouldn't it.

[offshore]

GTS is cheaper in the UK then in Australia.

Yet another example of how much we get ripped off.

[jaykay]

GTS is cheaper in the UK then in Australia.

Yet another example of how much we get ripped off.

Makes real sense doesn't it...build it here, transport it 20,000km, sell it cheaper :mad:

[QIKMIK]

Not a bad watch but pretty biased toward the M5 as the price gap over there is only about $10-15k, not the 100k+ it is here. There is a similar review of the R8 Tourer vs RS4 Avant where the R8 puts up a good fight but the negligible price difference kills any advantage for the Aussie. Nice to see our product overseas though.

Mick

[VYR8HSV]

Shows price wise how much more we have to pay here.
Now that after 2017 Australia won't be manufacturing cars here. All import tax & luxury tax can then be scrapped.

[jaykay]

I notice there are some Vauxhall badges and some HSV badges on / in the car, even the front GTS badge is still on it...

[El Narros]

and pigs will fly.

[Peter B - CV8]

Not a bad watch but pretty biased toward the M5 as the price gap over there is only about $10-15k, not the 100k+ it is here. There is a similar review of the R8 Tourer vs RS4 Avant where the R8 puts up a good fight but the negligible price difference kills any advantage for the Aussie. Nice to see our product overseas though.

Mick
Vauxhall price is UK55k versus the BMW @ UK80k - that's a whopping difference of UK25k (or 45%)..... Yes, I'd expect the BMW to be quite a bit better.

[jc_sv8]

At today's rate 54,499 is AUD99,185.09. So not that much different to what we pay...
Where as 80,205 is AUD145,955.78 for the M5. What do they cost here, around $225K?

[jaykay]

At today's rate 54,499 is AUD99,185.09. So not that much different to what we pay...
Where as 80,205 is AUD145,955.78 for the M5. What do they cost here, around $225K?

$100k v $225k is a huge difference and just shows the GTS is great value here in Oz....

[offshore]

Yea im sick of the price we pay for Euros. Its just unfair really you can get them cheaper every where in Europe or the US we should be able to get them for the same price. Its combination of our bureaucracy and taxes. Its not shipping costs they cost bugger all to ship to Australian in bulk. The bureaucracy is the ADRs they should get rid of them. If the ADRs are fine in Germany then they are good here simple.

[offshore]

$100k v $225k is a huge difference and just shows the GTS is great value here in Oz....


Not really it just shows an acceptance for the prices we have to pay for Euros its just crap. Basically people have been happy to be ripped off for to long.

[offshore]

Hes comparing a stock standard GTS to a worked M5 as well. So give him a Harrop stage 3 GTS to test and see how he thinks the power is!

[macca_779]

Hes comparing a stock standard GTS to a worked M5 as well. So give him a Harrop stage 3 GTS to test and see how he thinks the power is!

Bit different as the m5 is just factory optioned up. We don't have a factory upgrade for gts

[Micks]

How was that apples 4 apples?? Pommy wankas! :nutkick:

[QIKMIK]

Vauxhall price is UK55k versus the BMW @ UK80k - that's a whopping difference of UK25k (or 45%)..... Yes, I'd expect the BMW to be quite a bit better.Sorry, was thinking of the Tourer/RS4 comparo where the RS was only about £3-4k more.

Mick

[Angeldust]

looks like he cant drive manual? that GTS seems to be underperforming as well? only 4.9 sec to 100.. maybe its only running on 7 cylinders lol

[whitels1ss]

In my opinion, this is like a circus act & the guy testing it is like a clown.:lol:

From his first few comments well before he even drove the GTS, it seemed obvious to me he had decided the BMW was the winner.

As others have posted, it is not a fair comparison, even the acceleration test was stupid having rolling start with a manual in second gear

(giving it a clear disadvantage) and the turbo auto just nailing it.

Has the clown never heard of a standing quarter mile on a dry drag strip?

Or... get someone like "The Stig" to compare how fast they both go around a test track, rather than one clown's view on which car drifts easier:burnout:

[whitels1ss]

Something else.....





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUURKZrdCk

[macca_779]

Gts has done better times than that hasn't it. Hell a stock GT does a 12.5 any day of the week

[***VX*R8***]

Who buys a brand new M5 or GTS to go and drift on damp roads anyway? :confused:

[offshore]

Who buys a brand new M5 or GTS to go and drift on damp roads anyway? :confused:

Exactly what is the point lol. A better thing would have been take them both to the Ring and see whats the best time.

[whitels1ss]

Gts has done better times than that hasn't it. Hell a stock GT does a 12.5 any day of the week

Yes for certain it has,
the reason I posted the vid was because I thought that it was a fairer & more open minded comparison
with another expensive high performance euro car.

Hell it was only one run down the strip,
as we know...two different drivers in two different lanes, tyres, driving skills....... so many variables

but at least this guy gave the car credit for being a very good quick car for the money & it was seen to give the C63 a good shake.;)

[jackvz]

Build a Merc or BMW at the same price as the GTS and watch the Germans fail. Build a GTS with the German style tech and watch the price climb ,but I bet the Germans would have a hell of fight to beat the GTS. For all the money the Germans are worth ,their performance is pretty lousy next to a car half the price.

[macca_779]

Build a Merc or BMW at the same price as the GTS and watch the Germans fail. Build a GTS with the German style tech and watch the price climb ,but I bet the Germans would have a hell of fight to beat the GTS. For all the money the Germans are worth ,their performance is pretty lousy next to a car half the price.

Power yes. But the way they use it through the rest of the drivetrain and setup show the aussie cars their arses.

[jaykay]

Something else.....





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUURKZrdCk

Very impressive for less than half the price..... Spend $10k on the GTS and then re run the test

[motomk]

I haven't read it but the same magazine according to the publicity gave the win to the GTS...or the VXR8-GTS or what ever it is called over there! I know the UK HSV/VXR owners were happy with that.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/week-autocar/autocar-magazine-9-april-preview

[jackvz]

Power yes. But the way they use it through the rest of the drivetrain and setup show the aussie cars their arses.

Yes that true with respect to drive train,but what you have stated is what I was driving at ,if you were to have the tech of the Germans in the GTS ,then you would have a very capable car ,but my point is for the amount of money you pay for the Germans ,the GTS is still better bang for buck and the Germans would not be able to match that in cheaper forms ,because its been proven on many TOP GEAR and FIFTH GEAR series over the years. Our low tech engineering is still performing quite well against much higher priced European machines and the sums add up, if you put them head to head for the sake of a couple of tenth's of second in performance, its a lot of money and that just doesnt add up.I would rather spend that kind of money on additional properties and spend a little more on the GTS and flog the Germans.

[sjhugh]

Very impressive for less than half the price..... Spend $10k on the GTS and then re run the test

Half the price it may be but apart from its performance ability, the myriad of tech, innovation and luxury in the E63 leaves the GTS looking like an old Belmont.

Plus if you want to go your way, throw in a tune to turn up the wick on the 5.5 litre stock turbod E63 and see what happens.

I drove the AWD version while in the US last year and it almost gave me a nose bleed.

I drove the GTS earlier this year and thought it was fast.

Still even the older AMG Naturally Aspirated 6.2 litre in the early C63’s because of their more refined drivelines gives the GTS a good shake and they’re only rated at 336kw at the fly. And I know which one I would rather be in if it was traveling at over 300Km/h.

These comparisons against Euros focus mainly on performance and give very little credit to the overall package of the higher priced cars. This is where that extra money goes.

So I guess it comes down to what you want to spend your money on.

A good drivers package with lots of ability and performance potential or go to the next level of performance car innovation, then the next level and the next and so on.

You don’t even need to know what’s under the skin of the M and AMG’s to feel to difference, all you need to do is just sit in them and look at the dials on the dashboard to see chalk and cheese.

Does the GTS’s performance equal the E63 and M5, maybe just.

As a car in total is it equal to the same, don’t make me laugh.

The GTS is great value ……………………………... here.

The ZL1 Camaro at $55,355USD in the USA is also another car with great value but only at a performance level.

I’m not rubbishing the GTS, I think it’s a great car for what it is but I do believe a full comparison against the E63 and M5 would show some very glaring differences and give a better indication to where the AMG and M buyers prefer to put their money.



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[Goggles]

Who buys a brand new M5 or GTS to go and drift on damp roads anyway? :confused:

precisely.

the test and video were very amateurish. no mention of the stuff that matters such as interior quietness, fuel consumption, standard features, options etc

how about testing them in the real world - a spirited (but no drifting) country drive, tooling around town and a few laps of a track (again no drifting).

[GR346]

That has got to be one of the most useless test I have ever seen...

[shaness8]

Com'on GM give us a twin turbo V8,

The test reminds me of Camaro ZL1 vs Nissan GTR no contest.

[Xjas]

Com'on GM give us a twin turbo V8,

The test reminds me of Camaro ZL1 vs Nissan GTR no contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqkyWhVBSKU

Camaro Z28 vs 2014 Nissan GTR, they give the win to the Camaro but I'd say its to close to call, still pretty good for the Camaro though.

[BigAnt]

A British magazine has named the Vauxhall VXR8 its choice in a five-car comparo against such august competition as the Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG S, the BMW M5 with Competition Pack and the Audi RS6 Avant
http://www.carsales.com.au/news/large-passenger/holden-special-vehicles/gts/autocar-rates-gts-top-pick-43335

[jc_sv8]

The GTS is great value ……………………………... here.

The ZL1 Camaro at $55,355USD in the USA is also another car with great value but only at a performance level.


Also the 2014 Chevrolet SS is good value at US$43,475 with the 415HP LS3, staggered 19's and flappy paddles.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Yes that true with respect to drive train,but what you have stated is what I was driving at ,if you were to have the tech of the Germans in the GTS ,then you would have a very capable car ,but my point is for the amount of money you pay for the Germans ,the GTS is still better bang for buck and the Germans would not be able to match that in cheaper forms ,because its been proven on many TOP GEAR and FIFTH GEAR series over the years. Our low tech engineering is still performing quite well against much higher priced European machines and the sums add up, if you put them head to head for the sake of a couple of tenth's of second in performance, its a lot of money and that just doesnt add up.I would rather spend that kind of money on additional properties and spend a little more on the GTS and flog the Germans.

Funny....that's what the ford guys have been saying with their GTs and turbo falcons for years. And now a 90k GTS is not much faster then the far cheaper and far older fords. You can't whinge about the euros but then use the same logic to our own benifit to suit HSVs! Well...you can....but it's lame :)

[Plenty]

Funny....that's what the ford guys have been saying with their GTs and turbo falcons for years. And now a 90k GTS is not much faster then the far cheaper and far older fords. You can't whinge about the euros but then use the same logic to our own benifit to suit HSVs! Well...you can....but it's lame :)

Faster??? The GenF GTS will destroy an FG GT r-spec in every test you care to put against it, the LSA has also been around longer than the FPV supercharged unit. It is also commonly known (and you do as well) that the FPV 5.0l is under rated by a long margin in terms of overall power. So why would it not be "nearly" as fast as the GTS?

Your beloved FPV got nailed around a track by the 2+ tonne Chrysler 300 SRT................... Oh and FYI the GenF GTS took out the new twin turbo E63 AMG around the track in it's last comparison as well.

I effing hate it when credit is not given where it's due. :feedtroll:

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Faster??? The GenF GTS will destroy an FG GT r-spec in every test you care to put against it, the LSA has also been around longer than the FPV supercharged unit. It is also commonly known (and you do as well) that the FPV 5.0l is under rated by a long margin in terms of overall power. So why would it not be "nearly" as fast as the GTS?
:

Hang on you just said the GTS will smash an rspec GT in any test.....then you said but it's underrated in power so why wouldn't it be nearly as fast as a GTS.
So do you think a GT is nearly as fast as a GTS or do you think it will get smashed.....

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

It's the hypocrisy that gets me in this thread. For ten years the XRTurbo and GT guys have been faster in nearly every model bar a few hsvs here and there. But that's when they just bring out the cost card......oh but were only 45k as opposed to your 60/70/80k cars. And were still a tenth here or there away.

But now everyone is claiming the beemers or whatever are only winning because they cost more.....some saying....well let us spend the same budget as them and then see how we go. It's retarded. I really didn't expect so much of that when we know well and truely that even this epic GTS is no match in overall refinement/tech and especially efficiency. Euro fans are laughing there arses off for saying these things. But it's the first it's happened because no one has ever made such a track focused car like the vf GTS in aus before.

Wake up and see the GTS for what it is!!not what you wish it was because you really wish you had a 5series!

[Plenty]

Hang on you just said the GTS will smash an rspec GT in any test.....then you said but it's underrated in power so why wouldn't it be nearly as fast as a GTS.
So do you think a GT is nearly as fast as a GTS or do you think it will get smashed.....

In a staight line mate........ There is more to a car than straight line grunt, which the GTS has more of and is also faster. I was merely stating that the GT 5L is a very powerful engine, more powerful than the 335 badge suggests. I aint bashing the FPV, would be pretty stupid when i have a 2013 Pursuit sitting in my garage, but lets face it the FG is nothing on the HSV which goes faster in all areas, it stops better and handles better.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

In a staight line mate........ There is more to a car than straight line grunt, which the GTS has more of and is also faster. I was merely stating that the GT 5L is a very powerful engine, more powerful than the 335 badge suggests. I aint bashing the FPV, would be pretty stupid when i have a 2013 Pursuit sitting in my garage, but lets face it the FG is nothing on the HSV which goes faster in all areas, it stops better and handles better.

Yes a agree.....it's certainly faster in all areas but not as much as most think in a straight line....which let's face it.....almost ALL tests are in a straight line, with only the odd track time comparo. People want and can only use these street cars on the street. Otherwise all we'd see is track tests.
On the point of its kick arse brakes......anyone got brake figures for the GTS? I'm assuming the big race brakes will not perform cold as well as they will last on a track...where they're no doubt designed for.
And yes with the underrated GT power and the massive 22-25% power train loss thru the tough driveline....it explains why in a straight line they are closer then the 335 v 430 badge hints. It's only a tenth or two between them.....and that's probably the far better tyres and that crazy diff.....not the big badge power. True?

[macca_779]

Yes a agree.....it's certainly faster in all areas but not as much as most think in a straight line....which let's face it.....almost ALL tests are in a straight line, with only the odd track time comparo. People want and can only use these street cars on the street. Otherwise all we'd see is track tests.
On the point of its kick arse brakes......anyone got brake figures for the GTS? I'm assuming the big race brakes will not perform cold as well as they will last on a track...where they're no doubt designed for.
And yes with the underrated GT power and the massive 22-25% power train loss thru the tough driveline....it explains why in a straight line they are closer then the 335 v 430 badge hints. It's only a tenth or two between them.....and that's probably the far better tyres and that crazy diff.....not the big badge power. True?

GT-F will be interesting, not going to imagine a massive evolution in performance. But with more rubber and power, I reckon it will be quicker than the GTS and still 30k cheaper. Bang for buck the Fords represent far better value as they have for some time with the Turbo engines and now the supercharged 8. GTS is a better can no doubt about it, but much like the comparison here to the M5.. Where does the value in your dollar stop.

[Plenty]

The GTS brakes were 100-0km/h in 33m or thereabouts from memory. The value to the dollar is relative to what the person wants and is willing to spend on it. The FPV GT-F cars are all sold out and rumours are they went for around $94,000 only the sentimental and devoted fan would spend that much on that car which is basically an GT R-spec with extra grunt, cos that is GTS money and you get a whole lot more with the HSV.

For me it's a shame that Ford won't release the GT in FH guise because it should get a proper send off with it's littler brother the XR8!

[macca_779]

33m hey. I can do better in my clapped out VT

[Plenty]

33m hey. I can do better in my clapped out VT

Maybe.... but not with standard brakes you can't!

[macca_779]

Maybe.... but not with standard brakes you can't!

No of course not

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

GT-F will be interesting, not going to imagine a massive evolution in performance. But with more rubber and power, I reckon it will be quicker than the GTS and still 30k cheaper. Bang for buck the Fords represent far better value as they have for some time with the Turbo engines and now the supercharged 8. GTS is a better can no doubt about it, but much like the comparison here to the M5.. Where does the value in your dollar stop.

That right there is the truth! It's a shame because few can afford the GT335....even less a GTS! 33m 100-0 is interesting......I'll have to check with my bro but I have a feeling he did pads n front disks not long ago and beat that.

[macca_779]

Yeah the 100-0 braking test is a bit of a misguided test. Pad compound makes a massive difference. Really even a basic upgraded brake system will be good for one panic stop at a lowly 100km/h. It's when you can invoke maximum braking (eg just before abs kicks in) at above 200km/h multiple times in succession, that you have a proper performance brake setup :handup: naturally that is excessive for the road. But I know I love my brakes and have used them above 230km/h (at events only ;-). And I wouldn't have it any other way

[offshore]

Yeah the 100-0 braking test is a bit of a misguided test. Pad compound makes a massive difference. Really even a basic upgraded brake system will be good for one panic stop at a lowly 100km/h. It's when you can invoke maximum braking (eg just before abs kicks in) at above 200km/h multiple times in succession, that you have a proper performance brake setup :handup: naturally that is excessive for the road. But I know I love my brakes and have used them above 230km/h (at events only ;-). And I wouldn't have it any other way

A massive factor is tyres as well. Do the brake test with a few different tyres and see the difference as when you have brakes as good as the GTS with one stop test there isnt a great deal of difference its mainly over multiple stops the big brakes show the difference.

[macca_779]

A massive factor is tyres as well. Do the brake test with a few different tyres and see the difference as when you have brakes as good as the GTS with one stop test there isnt a great deal of difference its mainly over multiple stops the big brakes show the difference.

Absolutely. And even the pressures you run

[offshore]

Places like Temora like you mentioned is a good place to see how they work. Ultimately suspension setup is needed as well so you can absolutely stomp on it at speed without upsetting the car to much with weight transfer. Usually you brake a bit first to settle the car then you brake hard.

[macca_779]

Places like Temora like you mentioned is a good place to see how they work. Ultimately suspension setup is needed as well so you can absolutely stomp on it at speed without upsetting the car to much with weight transfer. Usually you brake a bit first to settle the car then you brake hard.

Yeah ask Milsy about setup. But he also did have a failed piston on his harrops. Spinning off track at ~260km/h isn't fun

To give an idea. VE's with stock brakes trapping around or just under 230km/h, needed the whole 450m to pull up. One WM actually went off and he had harder pads. Compare that to mine where on my first pass I pulled up in 150m. Massive difference but I only bothered to do it once as why rape my brakes for no reason

[offshore]

Yeah ask Milsy about setup. But he also did have a failed piston on his harrops. Spinning off track at ~260km/h isn't fun

To give an idea. VE's with stock brakes trapping around or just under 230km/h, needed the whole 450m to pull up. One WM actually went off and he had harder pads. Compare that to mine where on my first pass I pulled up in 150m. Massive difference but I only bothered to do it once as why rape my brakes for no reason

Yea thanks for the info its all good. Im going for bigger brakes in mine probably the Harrop Ultimates but I wouldnt some Brembo or AP 6 piston monoblock or the Alcon ones but has to be street reliable to with dust seals etc. Im sort of budgeting 15k for brakes and suspension so has to be a compromise some where. But I guess this is the wrong thread for this.

[macca_779]

15k is a good realistic budget :goodjob:

[Plenty]

That right there is the truth! It's a shame because few can afford the GT335....even less a GTS! 33m 100-0 is interesting......I'll have to check with my bro but I have a feeling he did pads n front disks not long ago and beat that.

You do realise the size of the brakes on the GTS? They are massive, even in last years Motor "Hot Tuner" challenge the big V8s were struggling to get under 35m and that was with top end after market brakes. The GTS also out braked the M5 and the E63 AMG in the 100-0 challenge. 33m is right down there with all the supercars out there! Remembering it is an 1850Kg car that is primarily designed for street use so it's not set up "hard".

[offshore]

What some people might not realize is HSV AP brakes are amongst the best in the world and only thing better is probably carbon brakes and monoblock calipers

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

You do realise the size of the brakes on the GTS? They are massive, even in last years Motor "Hot Tuner" challenge the big V8s were struggling to get under 35m and that was with top end after market brakes. The GTS also out braked the M5 and the E63 AMG in the 100-0 challenge. 33m is right down there with all the supercars out there! Remembering it is an 1850Kg car that is primarily designed for street use so it's not set up "hard".

Yeah I've seen that. Also found a brake test a couple of years back for a British sold hsv......the GXP GT and they managed 13.2m with stock brakes. I assume nothing gets changed from the oem brake parts but that's from 60mph...so a tad over 100kphr. Pretty impressive for far inferior brake package.
Wonder if /when they'll start just making brake calipers with massive housings just so people think they have massive brakes. Surely the Chinese are doing this allready lol

[macca_779]

What some people might not realize is HSV AP brakes are amongst the best in the world and only thing better is probably carbon brakes and monoblock calipers

Hardly mate. Single piece rotors. Full rubber lines, basic fluid. Don't get me wrong they're good for OEM but there is far better stuff out there before you get to Carbon systems. AP, Brembo, Harrop, Alcon even PBR offer higher end products far better than any HSV has ever had. Don't let rotor size and a piston count dictate the whole package

[mjrandom]

......the GXP GT and they managed 13.2m with stock brakes...

So what type of wall did they drive it into?

[Plenty]

Hardly mate. Single piece rotors. Full rubber lines, basic fluid. Don't get me wrong they're good for OEM but there is far better stuff out there before you get to Carbon systems. AP, Brembo, Harrop, Alcon even PBR offer higher end products far better than any HSV has ever had. Don't let rotor size and a piston count dictate the whole package

Macca i think you are discounting those brakes a little, they are actually two piece rotors as well. They are a pretty good brake system mate and i reckon they'd be right up there with the best in the business. Considering they pulled the GTS up faster than the much more expensive super sedans is a credit to how good they actually are. They are a lot bigger than the E3 set-up yet they are also a lot lighter, proof of the engineering gone into them. They are never going to be a full race bred set-up it is a road car after all.

[Plenty]

the GXP GT and they managed 13.2m with stock brakes.
I don't think that figure is correct, an average Formula 1 car will decelerate from 100-0km/h in appox 15m at a rate of sometimes up to 6g or around 50m/s

[macca_779]

Macca i think you are discounting those brakes a little, they are actually two piece rotors as well. They are a pretty good brake system mate and i reckon they'd be right up there with the best in the business. Considering they pulled the GTS up faster than the much more expensive super sedans is a credit to how good they actually are. They are a lot bigger than the E3 set-up yet they are also a lot lighter, proof of the engineering gone into them. They are never going to be a full race bred set-up it is a road car after all.

I didn't realise they finally went to a 2 piece. That's good news

[mjrandom]

The GTS brakes really are exceptional. My braking markers are more than one car length shorter than the E2 at 80kph and more than that at 100.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

I don't think that figure is correct, an average Formula 1 car will decelerate from 100-0km/h in appox 15m at a rate of sometimes up to 6g or around 50m/s

Not sure what an f1 car has to do with it, but yes that's why I was questioning whether or not it still had all it's stock brakes by the time it made it to the British test. But they certainly claimed it a few times.

[Wonky]

Not sure what an f1 car has to do with it......

So you're claiming that a tub of lard production car (of any make or model) can outbrake a lightweight F1 car with the best brakes money and engineering can produce by a factor of over 10%? :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

[Plenty]

Not sure what an f1 car has to do with it, but yes that's why I was questioning whether or not it still had all it's stock brakes by the time it made it to the British test. But they certainly claimed it a few times.
There is no way possible other than running into a wall (or similar) that a car other than something like an F1 could stop that quickly. Hence my comparison to the F1.

[offshore]

It must have been a typo in the article instead of 13.2 they meant 32.1

[jc_sv8]

This Ford Focus pulls up pretty quick!

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[SUZUKI MALISHA]

It must have been a typo in the article instead of 13.2 they meant 32.1

Ahh yes sorry it was a typo......it was so obviously a typo.....seriously. But yes it was 33.2.... In an older hsv.sent to Britain and was only 200mm longer then the vf GTS.

[Plenty]

Ahh yes sorry it was a typo......it was so obviously a typo.....seriously. But yes it was 33.2.... In an older hsv.sent to Britain and was only 200mm longer then the vf GTS.

The other thing is that 60mp/h is not quite 100km/h either but still a very good effort if they were stock brakes which i doubt they would have been.

[NickS]

Ahh yes sorry it was a typo......it was so obviously a typo.....seriously. But yes it was 33.2.... In an older hsv.sent to Britain and was only 200mm longer then the vf GTS.

How did it go on the 2nd stop ? Or the 3rd / 4th / 5th etc.

The Gen-F GTS brakes not only pull a VERY heavy car up quicker than significantly more expensive Euros ... it'll do it all day too! Comparing one stop done on a different surface, with a different driver under different conditions in a different year is really quite pointless. Gen-F has been tested same day / same driver / same road and showed up the Germans, that's really all that matters.

[aussiemuscle308]

...Now that after 2017 Australia won't be manufacturing cars here. All import tax & luxury tax can then be scrapped.
unlikely the govt would want to give up that money.

[DanielSS-V]

Yea im sick of the price we pay for Euros. Its just unfair really you can get them cheaper every where in Europe or the US we should be able to get them for the same price. Its combination of our bureaucracy and taxes. Its not shipping costs they cost bugger all to ship to Australian in bulk. The bureaucracy is the ADRs they should get rid of them. If the ADRs are fine in Germany then they are good here simple.

I think its a bit more than that. No other market in the world is stupid enough to pay the prices willingly for a BMW or Mercedes as we do. We must be their most profitable market for each unit sold. As long as there is someone stupid enough to pay those prices, Mercedes, Audi, BMW et al will keep charging it. Capatilism in action.