Red light camera when turning left

[BIG T]

Hey guys,

Coming home the other night and approached a set of lights that were red. It's a T intersection and I was turning left. The lights went green for the cars to turn right, but I had a red Left arrow for a pedestrian (Who pushed the button, but then decided to run across the rd). I slowly crept up towards the intersection, then BANG, two bright flashes from the red light camera. I didn't turn left, I completely stopped moving and did not go through the intersection. I'm sure that my front wheels were over the stop line, but pretty sure my back wheels were not.

Anyone experienced this first hand? Any significance that my back wheels did not cross the stop line and that I stopped moving forward?

Thanks for your help guys.

[bush_basha]

Your sure that your front wheels were over the line? Doesn't matter about back wheels, if your cross through the red light you'll be given the notice.
Same thing as if an emergency vehicle comes up behind you, you shouldn't ever go thru the intersection because you can be done

[VHSLE]

I am no expert but I can think of plenty of reasons why it would be reasonable to have proceeded into the intersection while the light was green and have then been unable to proceed, making a turn is one of them. It is my understanding that one of the reasons two photos are taken is so that if the vehicle is in the same location in both pics they know you were stationary.

I think it's more likely going to depend on whether someone else tripped the camera while you were stationary or whether you have tripped it creeping through after the red light.

[BIG T]

Thanks for the reply VHSLE.
There was one car in the right lane which turned right. He went through the intersection without the camera going off. The camera only flashed when I crept forward when my left turn arrow was red. As soon as I saw the flash, I stopped moving forward, so the two photos will show that I was stationery.

I guess I'll know either way in a few weeks time. I'll let you know.

[BIG T]

Your sure that your front wheels were over the line? Doesn't matter about back wheels, if your cross through the red light you'll be given the notice.
Same thing as if an emergency vehicle comes up behind you, you shouldn't ever go thru the intersection because you can be done

Yeah, front wheels definitely over the line! Probably a little zealous though, having a red light camera go off when your just creeping forward, as most drivers do, waiting for pedestrians to cross the road. Guess I'll be paying for the education then!

[Stewge]

Hey guys,
but I had a red Left arrow for a pedestrian (Who pushed the button, but then decided to run across the rd). I slowly crept up towards the intersection, then BANG, two bright flashes from the red light camera.


You can contest this. Any green turn arrow has full right of way (in VIC at least) and will never have a green pedestrian light. The "don't enter the intersection you can't exit" doesn't apply as my understanding is you were already in when the pedestrian decided to jump the light and technically be considered jaywalking. You should be able to request a copy of the photo evidence and if the timing is as you say, the pedestrian should be visibly crossing on the red light. From a legal standpoint, it's unreasonable to assume the pedestrian would jaywalk when you have right of way. If we followed that kind of logic then you may as well never enter an intersection which has pedestrians anywhere near it as they "may" just run in.

I've seen a similar case which were even less concrete where someone was turning right with no arrow but a pedestrian (parallel) decided to cross without hitting the button, on the red man, causing the car to get stuck after the yellow had been and gone.

[jc_sv8]

I've seen a similar case which were even less concrete where someone was turning right with no arrow but a pedestrian (parallel) decided to cross without hitting the button, on the red man, causing the car to get stuck after the yellow had been and gone.

Clean 'em up as a warning, you don't see us driving on the footpath when their light goes green :doh:

[planetdavo]

My first suggestion would be to wait and see whether anything appears in the mail first.
Secondly, as cameras cover the whole intersection, are you aware of other traffic in the intersection? Many cameras now are combo red light/speed cameras, and someone else speeding through the intersection "could" be the one actually caught...
There are a variety of scenarios that "could" get someone off if something appears in the mail. Hard to give definitive answers though, as every scenario will have different factors involved.

[HSVREDSLED]

PD has good points.

It was explained to me years ago, that if you 'broke the line' whilst the light was green, then crossed when red, you would not get booked because for the camera to 'arm' then roadway sensors had to read there was no vehicle present at time of arming. This was because heavy vehicles can take forever to get through an intersection. In this example, light goes green, truck starts to go through intersection, light turns red, camera attempts to arm, sensors indicate vehicle on intersection, camera cannot arm. Then truck clears sensor, camera arms ready to take pic of car crossing sensor. At least that's how it used to work.

[HSV Listy]

Our red light cameras in the nt have video running on all cameras too. Otherwise every tripple or quad trailer road train would get a red light ticket every single time they took off from a dead stop.
Not sure if they have video down there

[BIG T]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll wait and see if it pops up in the mail.

[GTSLOVER]

The two flashes are so that in the photos they can give you the accurate fine. If you blast through the red light you get not stop at stop line at red light/arrow etc. if you stop and then creep into the intersection through the red you get proceed through red light/arrow etc. if you are in the intersection when the lights go red you have right of way to make your turn if crossing across oncoming traffic as you are required to clear the intersection. The oncoming traffic being shown a green have to give way to you in order to allow you to clear the intersection but only if the lights went red after you were already in the intersection.

Google p23d infringement notices. That will give you the book police and state govt in nsw use to issue fines and also cross references with the legislation the infringement notice comes from, eg rule -- of australian road rules or act and section of road traffic(safety traffic management) act etc. also try p23p (parking) and p23R (radar). These are not generally accessible to public but there are enough copies of it out there to find one. The dollar amount may be out but the fine name and legislation should still be current unless it has been repealed.

[blackvussii]

When I was a lot younger I was in a car with a mate and we were stopped at a red light, late at night where we knew there was a camera.

There may have been a bet (standard carton of beer) that if we went slow enough the camera wouldn't go off.

Didn't get far past the line going as slow as possible when the camera went off, stayed where we were after the first flash and never got fined.

So hopefully you will be right.:)

[BIG T]

When I was a lot younger I was in a car with a mate and we were stopped at a red light, late at night where we knew there was a camera.

There may have been a bet (standard carton of beer) that if we went slow enough the camera wouldn't go off.

Didn't get far past the line going as slow as possible when the camera went off, stayed where we were after the first flash and never got fined.

So hopefully you will be right.:)

Yeah, that's what I'm hoping, guess I'll find out in due course.;)

Thanks GTS LOVER, I'll look that up.