VF Series II IS HERE

[CLUBRED]

I think this is the SV6, as no SS or LS3 badges:

http://liveimages.motoring.com.au/motoring/general/editorial/ge5152367686182897371.jpg?height=700&aspect=FitWithinNoPad&width=1050

[aedeau]

does anybody know if the SS or SSV (non redline) comes with staggered wheels?

[Tre-Cool]

does anybody know if the SS or SSV (non redline) comes with staggered wheels?

Do all the auto's also get tapshift steering wheels?

[Goggles]

just read the VFII story in the October issue of Wheels. Interesting tidbit - Holden's customer database includes around 1.5million Commodore owners. Holden will be targeting these to make them lust after the VFII.

[redvxr8clubby]

Well , Ive been waiting for the LS3.
Was going to order a Redline ute.
Might go for an SS ute with Brembos and save 10K for mods
Thanks Holden for the upgrade

Evidently Brembos aren't an option on SS or SSV, there is a performance brake option at $350, they are front only, but not Brembo. I picked this up from JC website, some of you will probably recall TimandHayley posting on here in the past. It was TimandHaley that posted this on JC website. I thought $350 was too good to be true for Brembos. I would assume if they aren't Brembo brakes that the standard wheels probably won't clear Brembos should you upgrade aftermarket.

[Stevieboy34]

Can someone explain how this new fan dangle exhaust works? The part about it plumbing to the firewall or something? If it's so good I wonder why aftermarket exhausts have never done it. Or if you could use the idea on something custom?

[jaykay]

From Wheels article..

Holden benchmarked cars that included the fire breathing AMG V8 models, and developed an under-bonnet sound enhancer for the SS-V that sends noise into the cabin, too. Make no mistake: this will be genuine noise, not an artificial soundtrack as per the BMW M3, for instance. Holden says that drivers also get a flurry of noise when they stomp the loud pedal, so that the fun’s not all for those getting blown away on the pavement.

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[jc_sv8]

Will it be like my 69 Cooper S where the 45mm Weber sat behind the speedo and you could hear the butterfly's open?

[jc_sv8]

It looks a little...

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz318/jcraigau/Misc/His_Masters_Voice_zps7tpbxwa2.jpg

[Smitty]

The final lap: Holden Commodore

2015 Holden Commodore SS-V Redline

Price: $56,190
Engine: 6.2-litre V8
Power: 304kW and 570Nm
Transmission: Six-speed manual, six-speed automatic
0 to 100km/h: 4.9 seconds

1978 Holden Commodore SL/E

Price: $11,315
Engine: 5.0-litre V8
Power: 114kW and 354Nm
Transmission: Four-speed manual, three-speed automatic
0 to 100km/h: 9 seconds

.. my 3rd company car when I was at GMH (as it used to be)
was a nice new VB SL/E '308' pack.. 5litre M21 4 Speed but it had the G70 diff (2.6 ratio)

Thing broke the state speed limit in 1st gear... 120kmh was impressive
but it took much more than 10 secs to get there :driving:

[jc_sv8]

My old man had a silver VH SL/X 253 auto as a company car and I fell in love. Years later I had an ex copper VH that I rebuilt the 308 in with a T400 and it was awesome!

[QIKMIK]

Holden says that drivers also get a flurry of noise when they stomp the loud pedalI'm guessing it'll be like the difference between the wiggly pipe in VT and going the two-hole mod or changing to the MCAI. Once the intake side was opened up, the experience of nailing the throttle was much improved!

Mick

[Smitty]

.. my 3rd company car when I was at GMH (as it used to be)
was a nice new VB SL/E '308' pack.. 5litre M21 4 Speed but it had the G70 diff (2.6 ratio)

Thing broke the state speed limit in 1st gear... 120kmh was impressive
but it took much more than 10 secs to get there :driving:

.. found the pic
don't make 'em like this any more... tan velour trim , shiny cast alloys, remote control manual mirrors and a carburettor !

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/smitty1955/Car%20Pics/VBsl_eV8.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/smitty1955/media/Car%20Pics/VBsl_eV8.jpg.html)

[Stevieboy34]

From Wheels article..

Holden benchmarked cars that included the fire breathing AMG V8 models, and developed an under-bonnet sound enhancer for the SS-V that sends noise into the cabin, too. Make no mistake: this will be genuine noise, not an artificial soundtrack as per the BMW M3, for instance. Holden says that drivers also get a flurry of noise when they stomp the loud pedal, so that the fun’s not all for those getting blown away on the pavement.



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I'm really interested in hearing this!

[whitels1ss]

.. found the pic

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/smitty1955/Car%20Pics/VBsl_eV8.jpg[/URL]

I remember the interiors in those VB & VC SLE's used to have a unique almost solvent like scent to them.

[sjhugh]

From Wheels article..

Holden benchmarked cars that included the fire breathing AMG V8 models, and developed an under-bonnet sound enhancer for the SS-V that sends noise into the cabin, too. Make no mistake: this will be genuine noise, not an artificial soundtrack as per the BMW M3, for instance. Holden says that drivers also get a flurry of noise when they stomp the loud pedal, so that the fun’s not all for those getting blown away on the pavement.




The one significant difference is the AMG’s don’t need an under-bonnet sound enhancer with a pipe plumbed to the firewall or Baillie exhaust tips with a hole in the top to let sound resonate through the boot and back through the floor pan to achieve their in-cabin sound.

In saying that I’m very happy with Holden’s effort and will line up for one, though I think that exhaust will be binned for something a bit more substantial.

[jaykay]

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[whitels1ss]

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I never liked the look of the old yellow GTSR
But........
I think that looks absolutely Fantastic:goodjob:

[jaykay]

The front spoiler won't last long...

[CALDIR]

Hi

Straight to the newsagent for me tomorrow.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[jaykay]

Hi

Straight to the newsagent for me tomorrow.

Regards,

GTSRVF

I am guessing this is your place right now Richard ?

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[CALDIR]

Hi

To: jkgmh, I told you to stop viewing my CCTV system!

Does it actually say that the car is going to be released or is it just a rumour as such?

Regards,

GTSRVF

[Smitty]

I never liked the look of the old yellow GTSR
But........
I think that looks absolutely Fantastic:goodjob:

I don''t...

the rear wing is an abomination totalling destroying the looks of the car
(these days we don't need a shove it up ya bum false piece of auto design to show it means business)

the front looks better but the false plastic lip thingy is pox...

geez these designers need to go look at an M3 or AMG to see what is tuff!

imho of course :)

[D_BLOCK]

My god that yellow thing is an abomination. Im trying to zoom in to see if there is the obligatory Asian super hero figures glued to the dash.

[super coach]

As this is the final Commodore it would have been nice if the car actually wore the Commodore badge as its predecessors (except VE)

[Vulture]

the rear wing is an abomination totalling destroying the looks of the car
(these days we don't need a shove it up ya bum false piece of auto design to show it means business)


From reading the bits on the side, seems the HSV guys agree with you. This is just an artist's impression.
Wonder how many deposits they have for these.

[CALDIR]

From reading the bits on the side, seems the HSV guys agree with you. This is just an artist's impression.
Wonder how many deposits they have for these.

Hi

I know in Victoria that two dealerships have three deposits each and another dealership has two deposits. Garry & Warren Smith in Oakleigh would only take deposits if you had purchased at least three new Hsv's from them. Another dealer said they wont take more than three deposits in total and weren't accepting anymore.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[LS1 Tonner]

.. found the pic
don't make 'em like this any more... tan velour trim , shiny cast alloys, remote control manual mirrors and a carburettor !

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/smitty1955/Car%20Pics/VBsl_eV8.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/smitty1955/media/Car%20Pics/VBsl_eV8.jpg.html)

These were an awesome car back then and are still an awesome car now.
I remember when I was about 12 my old man had a vc wagon with a starfire 4 in it. To me it looked like a 202/3.3 blue motor with two cylinders missing.
30 years later and I have never seen another one.

[disorganise]

My dad had a maroon one of these with the maroon velour interior when I was a young bloke. Except in the UK we called them a Vauxhaul Carlton. 2 litre 4 cylinder. I *think* the Opel versions (rekord and commodore) has sixes. After the horrible plastic seats of the Austin mini and Marina we had in the past, the Carlton's velour always felt a bit special.

If I recall correctly we layer had an estate (wagon) version in metallic brown but I don't remember much of it so we mustn't have had it long.
I remember lusting over the late 80s Vauxhaul Senator when it arrived (we never had one sadly).

[super coach]

What happened to replacing the whip aerial with the shark fin one??

Wonder if any other changes will occur now until closure which are just MY changes. I know that there will be to special models released before end of closure

[CLUBRED]

Surely there has to be a V6 revision?

[MARRA]

Holden are really keeping their V8 Plans plans (if any) hidden for after 2017. I see overnight there was the official announcement that V8 Market is Dead in Australia blah blah with no real mention of what they are doing to counter the Mustang....

[JJW501]

Hi

I know in Victoria that two dealerships have three deposits each and another dealership has two deposits. Garry & Warren Smith in Oakleigh would only take deposits if you had purchased at least three new Hsv's from them. Another dealer said they wont take more than three deposits in total and weren't accepting anymore.

Regards,

GTSRVF

I want that business manager working for me.

I am always looking at new ways to cap sales and turn willing customers away!

JJW

[whitels1ss]

Hi

I know in Victoria that two dealerships have three deposits each and another dealership has two deposits. Garry & Warren Smith in Oakleigh would only take deposits if you had purchased at least three new Hsv's from them. Another dealer said they wont take more than three deposits in total and weren't accepting anymore.

Regards,

GTSRVF

Yes fair enough too.
I expect they will only get supplied a very limited stock of these so they want to look after & reward their existing loyal customers.:goodjob:

I would also expect some of the dealer principles would want to just keep the cars anyway.

[Jag530G]

The way the Maloo GTS got divied up will be a guide, probably. I like the idea of the GTSR going to those who have bought 3 or more HSVs prrior. Good way to reward loyalty and not just speculators.

Cheers, Matthew

[whitels1ss]

The way the Maloo GTS got divied up will be a guide, probably. I like the idea of the GTSR going to those who have bought 3 or more HSVs prrior. Good way to reward loyalty and not just speculators.

Cheers, Matthew

Dealerships would also be happy just to have one sitting in their showroom as a draw card to help get people to look & walk in.

[JJW501]

The way the Maloo GTS got divied up will be a guide, probably. I like the idea of the GTSR going to those who have bought 3 or more HSVs prrior. Good way to reward loyalty and not just speculators.

Cheers, Matthew

GTS Maloo technique was a disgrace, with many dealer principals buying and instantly putting them on carsales +$50k.

Were these real enthusiasts? Was this really a great idea? They should be available upon order to stop this nonsense, though I am not sure how successful the scampers were since there have been a couple for sale around $90k for some time. Of course after paying stamp duty to acquiring a car with less rego, less warranty than a new one it is still hard to justify ponying up when a Maloo R8 can be had with same drivetrain brand new for less in the near future.

JJW

[A PSYCHO]

There were rumors of the SSV's having an optional upgrade to the LSA, any more word on that with the recent release?

[duke5700]

There is now way in the world...


There were rumors of the SSV's having an optional upgrade to the LSA, any more word on that with the recent release?

[white lie]

A lot of dealers over here have offered it on the series 1's. Essentially the conversion is done by Actives but you can still order it off the floor from the dealer with the conversion done and full warranty (unsure if that's honoured by Actives or Holden, probably the former).

[jaykay]

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[Micks]

I could see you in one of those John

[jaykay]

I could see you in one of those John

Me too but I can't afford one and I have read you have to be a multiple HSV buyer to get on the purchase list...

[whitels1ss]

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[RED R8]

From Wheels article..

Holden benchmarked cars that included the fire breathing AMG V8 models, and developed an under-bonnet sound enhancer for the SS-V that sends noise into the cabin, too. Make no mistake: this will be genuine noise, not an artificial soundtrack as per the BMW M3, for instance. Holden says that drivers also get a flurry of noise when they stomp the loud pedal, so that the fun’s not all for those getting blown away on the pavement.

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The new Mustang has one of these "Sound enhancers" but the most popular thread on Mustang6G forum is "how to remove the Sound enhancer" I believe it sounds cheesy in the cabin...Interesting to see in the Holden one is any better.

[CALDIR]

Me too but I can't afford one and I have read you have to be a multiple HSV buyer to get on the purchase list...

Hey

I can't afford it either! I have also heard from one HSV dealer (Garry & Warren Smith in Oakleigh, Victoria) that they only take deposits from people who have purchased at least 3 x new HSV's.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[LOWKEY]

Hey

I can't afford it either! I have also heard from one HSV dealer (Garry & Warren Smith in Oakleigh, Victoria) that they only take deposits from people who have purchased at least 3 x new HSV's.

Regards,

GTSRVF

If that's true then that sucks big time.

I can't afford one anyway but I think that's just crap.
Guess it's too bad if someone has been waiting for the "last model" to come out & hasnt purchased a HSV before

[disorganise]

I think it depends on the dealership. I couldn't wait another year so no longer an issue for me either but it would have been very frustrating to be told no because this is my first HSV. On the other hand I kinda get it also....but it shouldn't be the dealership placing that restriction imo. Leave it to HSV, maybe via a special code on their website (via frequent buyers club), if they genuinely want to reward previous buyers by giving first dibs (ie code prioritises the order). That at least reduces dealership manipulation.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

if they sell like the W427 did you wont have any trouble geting one

[whitels1ss]

if they sell like the W427 did you wont have any trouble geting one

They won't get stuck with any of them.:lol:

[VFast]

The new Mustang has one of these "Sound enhancers" but the most popular thread on Mustang6G forum is "how to remove the Sound enhancer" I believe it sounds cheesy in the cabin...Interesting to see in the Holden one is any better.
My wife's old XR5 Turbo had one of these fitted with the 5 cylinder engine. Ford called it a Symposer or something like that. It was pretty effective and produced a nice note too.

[185iboy]

I priced up my LS3 ssv ute yesterday, pretty pleased that it got the heads up display and the bi-modal. Also found out I get the bonnet vent things which I'd rather not have but I guess it's what easily distinguishes that it's a 6.2. Had a chat about the brake upgrade and not sure about it. It goes from a twin piston caliper to a single 60mm piston caliper with a 345x30mm rotor over the standard 330x30mm rotor. Thoughts? Skeptical over the single piston.

[Plenty]

I priced up my LS3 ssv ute yesterday, pretty pleased that it got the heads up display and the bi-modal. Also found out I get the bonnet vent things which I'd rather not have but I guess it's what easily distinguishes that it's a 6.2. Had a chat about the brake upgrade and not sure about it. It goes from a twin piston caliper to a single 60mm piston caliper with a 345x30mm rotor over the standard 330x30mm rotor. Thoughts? Skeptical over the single piston.

The brake upgrade is the same as fitted to the "Caprice" PPV in the US. Apparently it suffers far less brake fade from repeated stops from 170Km/h. What you lose in pistons you gain in rotor and p[ad surface area contact.

[dgp]

I priced up my LS3 ssv ute yesterday, pretty pleased that it got the heads up display and the bi-modal. Also found out I get the bonnet vent things which I'd rather not have but I guess it's what easily distinguishes that it's a 6.2. Had a chat about the brake upgrade and not sure about it. It goes from a twin piston caliper to a single 60mm piston caliper with a 345x30mm rotor over the standard 330x30mm rotor. Thoughts? Skeptical over the single piston.

Photos please.

My understanding was they were not available until October.

[white lie]

Just because it's not in the yard doesn't mean you can't build, price and order one

[185iboy]

Photos please.

My understanding was they were not available until October.

Haven't seen one yet. Just sat down with a salesman and went through all the information that he had, changes, features and options. I would have put my order but I'm waiting to see what the new SSV wheels look like before deciding on a colour. I was told they'll call me between the 5-10 October to come in and see one.

[BLACKVE]

Photos please.

My understanding was they were not available until October.

Release date is 8 oct but building now, seen a lot in holden lot on way home from work fri, slipstream blue redline stood out seems nice colour.

[dgp]

My bad, I read I just "picked" up and not "priced" up.

[redvxr8clubby]

Release date is 8 oct but building now, seen a lot in holden lot on way home from work fri, slipstream blue redline stood out seems nice colour.

From the photos, Slipstream looks good. Maybe something like Delft in the VX, but I think Slipstream might be a little bit lighter. I had a Delft VXII Calais, Looked very good I thought, especially around dusk with the Calais chrome, and plus that car had chrome wheels (Speedy Wheels Victory chrome).

[jaykay]

http://youtu.be/lk7QG1jYh00

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

They won't get stuck with any of them.:lol:

476 KW at the flywheel is still only aprox 334 RWKW might be a bit dowey comparied to 470 rwkw HAHA but i guess a pulley change and a retune for round $2k would fix that

[korrupt]

HSV have put up a sneak peek photo of their GenF2 on their instagram account. Not sure how to link that, but the account is 'officialhsv'. Hard to see anything, but it looks the bonnet vents are the same as the Holden. Launched tomorrow.

[whitels1ss]

476 KW at the flywheel is still only aprox 334 RWKW might be a bit dowey comparied to 470 rwkw HAHA but i guess a pulley change and a retune for round $2k would fix that


Yeah of course they can be improved on power wise by any tuner, we all know that buddy:yup:
but as posted before, these things are going to sell like hot cakes!:lmao:

[BLACKVE]

http://www.hp-f.com.au/walkinshaw/performance/vf-ii-ss-w375-package/

Makes the 310 package look lame

[jaykay]

Gen F2 is launched tomorrow...here is HSV's teaser.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=Ku0Kj91wx8Q

[white lie]

HSV are saying 7:30am on their Facebook page. They'll put a link up to the reveal website

[jaykay]

Good to see tyre frying ads are back :yup: :goodjob:

[whitels1ss]

Good to see tyre frying ads are back :yup: :goodjob:

:yup: :goodjob::burnout:

[aussiebbq]

Wonder if because it's Youtube they can get away with it as it doesn't fall under the same guidelines as FTA?

[jaykay]

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[aussiebbq]

Those wheels look very.....odd

[BLACKVE]

the lot today, taken with phone(yep crap quality)

Seen a few HSV donors one slipstream blue as HSV will have that colour

Calais
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/impluseve/IMG_20150921_164852885_HDR.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/impluseve/media/IMG_20150921_164852885_HDR.jpg.html)

Black SV6
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/impluseve/IMG_20150921_164910177.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/impluseve/media/IMG_20150921_164910177.jpg.html)
Blue SV6
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/impluseve/IMG_20150921_164913959.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/impluseve/media/IMG_20150921_164913959.jpg.html)

Wagon
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/impluseve/IMG_20150921_164856690_HDR.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/impluseve/media/IMG_20150921_164856690_HDR.jpg.html)

[Woodchukka]

It is a shame Ford and Holden are only bringing A game now the end is nigh.

[QIKMIK]

Soooo Gen-F2 is out.


https://youtu.be/mwbFe5uHavM

http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2/see/Introducing-GEN-F2/

Mick

[DMW]

Pricing and specs -

http://www.caradvice.com.au/384447/2016-hsv-gen-f2-range-pricing-and-specifications-400kw-supercharged-v8-for-r8-sedan-wagon-ute/

2016 HSV Gen-F2 range pricing (before on-road costs):

ClubSport R8 – $TBC (due early 2016)
Maloo R8 – $TBC (due early 2016)

ClubSport R8 LSA (manual) – $80,990 (new variant)
ClubSport R8 LSA (auto) – $83,490 (new variant)
ClubSport R8 Tourer LSA (auto only) – $85,990 (new variant)

Maloo R8 LSA (manual) – $76,990 (new variant)
Maloo R8 LSA (auto) – $79,490 (new variant)

Senator Signature (LSA, auto & manual) – $92,990 (+$9000)

Grange (auto only) – $86,990 (+$1000)

GTS (manual) – $95,990 (+$1500)
GTS (auto) – $98,490 (+$1500)

[korrupt]

New GTS wheels look good. They got rid of the lower gauges too.

[jaykay]

Tyre frying woohoooo :nos:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=51&v=zdsb7hxX6KM

[jaykay]

Manual LSA Senator :drool::drool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=32&v=Bmy6ZapZ5Xg

[whitels1ss]

Automatic LSA Senator :drool::drool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=32&v=Bmy6ZapZ5Xg

That's bloody nice.:drool::drool::drool:

[Smitty]

Pricing and specs -

http://www.caradvice.com.au/384447/2016-hsv-gen-f2-range-pricing-and-specifications-400kw-supercharged-v8-for-r8-sedan-wagon-ute/

$86K ...PLUS on roads for the Tourer
won't be upgrading my Tourer ...

[jaykay]

I don't think the green on the GTS does it any justice....but man I would love a 400kW manual Senator Signature in black :drool:

Can't wait for the GTS-R launch....

[CALDIR]

I don't think the green on the GTS does it any justice....but man I would love a 400kW manual Senator Signature in black :drool:

Can't wait for the GTS-R launch....

Hi

I agree the green colored GTS is not the best color for HSV to use to promote the new design GENF2.

I would personally love a 400kw manual Senator Signature but in white color.

But I think I will wait for the GTS-R launch.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[highlander_69r]

no real surprise...other then how does 1 justify the price for a GTS.....

If I win lotto tonight, I think a tourer wagon will be the order of the day for me and the little tribe

[white lie]

Bigger brakes, forged wheels, MRC, EDI and presumably torque vectoring. Would all add up if you optioned an R8 up

[jaykay]

Makes the runout Series 1 GTS's great value in the low 80's driveaway

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2015/SSE-AD-3552240/?Cr=0

[highlander_69r]

Bigger brakes, forged wheels, MRC, EDI and presumably torque vectoring. Would all add up if you optioned an R8 up

most people who brought the GTS ended up ditching the MRC if some way shape or form and well wheels are a personal choice item. For me there is little value in the considering the GTS, noting I have always modified my cars from the base platform which they left the factory. This included my GTS in years gone by.

Horses for courses but

[offshore]

Its great that the other cars get the LSA option and all but to me its all a bit of a confused line up now.

[macca_779]

Its great that the other cars get the LSA option and all but to me its all a bit of a confused line up now.

How so. It just gone back to the way E series cars were. Same engine across the board (except for grange which got stooged)

[jaykay]

How so. It just gone back to the way E series cars were. Same engine across the board (except for grange which got stooged)

Clubsport and Maloo won't have LSA.....so I assume LS3 like Grange...

[jaykay]

How good would a manual be ??

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[falcom]

Love the wheels on the R8. R8 now looks better than the GTS.

[super coach]

I agree the Clubsport R8 LSA looks the goods and looks better then the GTS, I really like the new wheels, so no need to option the rapier wheels. But I think HSV has stuffed up with the line up and are trying to back peddle by not including things that were standard in Series I but are now options in Series II so not to make the rest of the cars too close to the GTS. EDI as an option is a joke and so is the price I think. almost $84k for the Clubsport R8 LSA without any options + ORC. You will be looking at around $87k end total which is crap. And if you want to add the options of hyperflow spoiler, black roof, sunroof, EDI and Auto box who knows what the final price will come to $90k???

I was tossing up between the new Redline and the Clubsport R8 LSA but I think you are not getting bang for buck with the Clubsport R8 LSA anymore. Really kinda disappointed in the price rise and price difference which has now blown out to $25k, the redline didn't go up a lot with the new LS3.

[Dickie Knee]

How so. It just gone back to the way E series cars were. Same engine across the board (except for grange which got stooged)

:bawl: I understand development costs / low volume, but still sad they didn't build a LWB merc / jag killer. :bawl:

[Dickie Knee]

I didn't like VE clubbie wagon, I always thought they should have built it as a senator wagon. But that blue VF2 Clubbie wagon hot.

[macca_779]

Clubsport and Maloo won't have LSA.....so I assume LS3 like Grange...

Yes they do. Unless your referring to the old base models ie non R8 models. Those have been discontinued. So essentially every model bar grange has the LSA now

[super coach]

No I thought the base model was coming back towards end of year using the same motor as the Holden redline just at 340kW

2016 HSV Gen-F2 range pricing (before on-road costs):

ClubSport R8 – $TBC (due early 2016)
Maloo R8 – $TBC (due early 2016)

ClubSport R8 LSA (manual) – $80,990 (new variant)
ClubSport R8 LSA (auto) – $83,490 (new variant)
ClubSport R8 Tourer LSA (auto only) – $85,990 (new variant)

Maloo R8 LSA (manual) – $76,990 (new variant)
Maloo R8 LSA (auto) – $79,490 (new variant)

Senator Signature (LSA, auto & manual) – $92,990 (+$9000)

Grange (auto only) – $86,990 (+$1000)

GTS (manual) – $95,990 (+$1500)
GTS (auto) – $98,490 (+$1500)

[macca_779]

No I thought the base model was coming back towards end of year using the same motor as the Holden redline just at 340kW

I haven't read that. In fact I read one article that specifically mentioned the base clubby and Maloo have been dropped. Why would they wait. It's not like there would be delays releasing a 340kw ls3. It's been around for a while now after all.

[white lie]

I agree the Clubsport R8 LSA looks the goods and looks better then the GTS, I really like the new wheels, so no need to option the rapier wheels. But I think HSV has stuffed up with the line up and are trying to back peddle by not including things that were standard in Series I but are now options in Series II so not to make the rest of the cars too close to the GTS. EDI as an option is a joke and so is the price I think. almost $84k for the Clubsport R8 LSA without any options + ORC. You will be looking at around $87k end total which is crap. And if you want to add the options of hyperflow spoiler, black roof, sunroof, EDI and Auto box who knows what the final price will come to $90k???

I was tossing up between the new Redline and the Clubsport R8 LSA but I think you are not getting bang for buck with the Clubsport R8 LSA anymore. Really kinda disappointed in the price rise and price difference which has now blown out to $25k, the redline didn't go up a lot with the new LS3.
That's because there's not much difference between the previous 6.0L's and the LS3. Price to buy the motor will be similar and nothing needs to change to put it in. The LSA is more expensive to buy and then you have all the additional coolers, larger diff and stronger gearboxes.
If you price up a conversion, you're looking at 15-17k for the motors changed alone. That doesn't include any drive train hardware so there's naturally going to be a price increase over the LS3 powered series 1's.

[white lie]

I haven't read that. In fact I read one article that specifically mentioned the base clubby and Maloo have been dropped. Why would they wait. It's not like there would be delays releasing a 340kw ls3. It's been around for a while now after all.
http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1509/hsv-gen-f2-range-revealed/

The base models have been discontinued but there are still non LSA variants coming.
I believe the "wait" is more due to the excessive numbers of series 1's they've got lying around than any availability issues.

[BLACKVE]

I haven't read that. In fact I read one article that specifically mentioned the base clubby and Maloo have been dropped. Why would they wait. It's not like there would be delays releasing a 340kw ls3. It's been around for a while now after all.

Read in wheels that is holden terms 340kw becomes 326 due to differnt testing methods.

So the 304 VF II is a 317 HSV in real terms

[Vulture]

most people who brought the GTS ended up ditching the MRC if some way shape or form and well wheels are a personal choice item. For me there is little value in the considering the GTS, noting I have always modified my cars from the base platform which they left the factory. This included my GTS in years gone by.

The MRC on the GenF GTS was excellent. I think it would be insane to ditch something that good unless they want to run it on a track or some other special purpose such as ultra-low ride height etc. Agree with the rest of what you wrote. Who in their right mind would buy a GTS now when an intake and tune would have it at GTS spec power anyway?

[CLUBRED]

Or 2015 GTS runout for the same price.

[mjrandom]

Or 2015 GTS runout for the same price.

This, sorry I think the GTS now looks ungainly. Fussy wheels, tacky add on skirts and wrap around on the rear valance and the strakes in the front bar don't match anything. If the rumoured GTSR looks the same I think i will go elsewhere.

To me series II should be such that series I owners want to upgrade whether they can or not. This lot does nothing for me.

I think the R8 looks better even though I don't like the assymetric spokes the wheels are way better than before. But the poor Senator doesn't get new wheels? At least Rapiers are still available.

[jaykay]

This, sorry I think the GTS now looks ungainly. Fussy wheels, tacky add on skirts and wrap around on the rear valance and the strakes in the front bar don't match anything. If the rumoured GTSR looks the same I think i will go elsewhere.

To me series II should be such that series I owners want to upgrade whether they can or not. This lot does nothing for me.

I think the R8 looks better even though I don't like the assymetric spokes the wheels are way better than before. But the poor Senator doesn't get new wheels? At least Rapiers are still available.

If I was buying a Senator I would order it with the R8 wheels..much nicer :yup:

[super coach]

Yes new R8 wheels look fantastic. Seems some dealer are still wanting high price for 2015 GTS, they reckon they won't have stocks of the new F2 for a while so can still command a high price. I was hopping to maybe get a Jungle Green GTS for a good price, but looks like I have to wait. But thee new R8 looks even better than the 2015 GTS

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/image_1.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/image_1.jpg.html)

[team illucid]

I wonder what this will impact on the trade in values of the 6.0 litre vehicles ?

[disorganise]

The MRC on the GenF GTS was excellent. I think it would be insane to ditch something that good unless they want to run it on a track or some other special purpose such as ultra-low ride height etc. Agree with the rest of what you wrote. Who in their right mind would buy a GTS now when an intake and tune would have it at GTS spec power anyway?
Well its MRC, torque vectoring, 6 piston brakes and the unique nose.

The real question is then GTS or Senator? Add the EDI and necessary tune and intake to get back to 430kw and the two are basically price matched.
So then it's a case of 6 piston brakes and torque vectoring versus memory seats, auto dip mirrors on reverse and the lights in the door mirrors.

[mjrandom]

Best not to remind a big bird about toque vectoring me thinks....

[CLUBRED]

If I was buying a Senator I would order it with the R8 wheels..much nicer :yup:

The wheels are a bit FPVish for me.

[super coach]

Well its MRC, torque vectoring, 6 piston brakes and the unique nose.

The real question is then GTS or Senator? Add the EDI and necessary tune and intake to get back to 430kw and the two are basically price matched.
So then it's a case of 6 piston brakes and torque vectoring versus memory seats, auto dip mirrors on reverse and the lights in the door mirrors.

so which model gets the memory seats, auto dip mirror on reverse and lights in the door mirrors?

[CALDIR]

so which model gets the memory seats, auto dip mirror on reverse and lights in the door mirrors?

Hi

Wouldn't that be the Senator Signature?

Regards,

GTSRVF

[CLUBRED]

Speaking of the Senator, why is the auto/manual the same price, yet the autos ~+$2500 for all the other models.

[white lie]

Auto is probably standard on the Senator and factored in to the price. So you're "down grading" to a manual. But they won't reduce the price ;)

[jaykay]

Auto is probably standard on the Senator and factored in to the price. So you're "down grading" to a manual. But they won't reduce the price ;)

They are saying if you want a manual Senator you have to pay a premium for it....

[A PSYCHO]

dont know why you would want a manual anyway... :stick:

[CALDIR]

dont know why you would want a manual anyway... :stick:

Hi

Really? I see the manual Senator as the possible pick of the bunch. I would much rather it than a manual GTS. I wonder why HSV believe that a manual Senator should be given no discounts....?

Regards,

GTSRVF

[macca_779]

dont know why you would want a manual anyway... :stick:

You would know if you had anything between your legs. Men drive Manuals. :teach:

[Micks]

I wonder why HSV believe that a manual Senator should be given no discounts....?
Can't really see in this day why an A6 would be any different in price across the range with an M6?

[BLACK 346]

You would know if you had anything between your legs. Men drive Manuals. :teach:

You would know if you had anything between your legs, it is there to satisfy woman, nothing to do with machines.

[white lie]

A lot of Gen F owners prefer the auto, it has converted a lot of 'hard core' manual drivers (or should that be lovers?) with the responsiveness

[super coach]

So went to my HSV Dealer today to price up a new F2 Clubsport R8 LSA, while I was there I asked if he could do a search for a Series I GTS in my colour combo and options, and there is nothing out there that matches what Im looking for :(

He had a few Series I GTS, but best he could do on price was $92k

So price for
Jungle Fever F2 Clubsport R8 LSA Auto
83,490.00 RRP
2,495.00 DD
931.00 Rego
3,280.00 SD
44.00 plates

Total – $90,240 drive away that’s without any options or accessories

Options
Black Roof - 731.00
EDI - 1456
TowBar - 1183
Sunroof - 2690
Spoiler - forgot to ask

Total Driveaway- $96,300

[Plenty]

So went to my HSV Dealer today to price up a new F2 Clubsport R8 LSA, while I was there I asked if he could do a search for a Series I GTS in my colour combo and options, and there is nothing out there that matches what Im looking for :(

He had a few Series I GTS, but best he could do on price was $92k

So price for
Jungle Fever F2 Clubsport R8 LSA Auto
83,490.00 RRP
2,495.00 DD
931.00 Rego
3,280.00 SD
44.00 plates

Total – $90,240 drive away that’s without any options or accessories

Options
Black Roof - 731.00
EDI - 1456
TowBar - 1183
Sunroof - 2690
Spoiler - forgot to ask

Total Driveaway- $96,300

Lol, should have wished him good luck cos he aint selling shite with those prices! Wait about 6 months and they will be available for the same price as an R8 is now.

[super coach]

yeah im in no hurry, was just interested in what the price was and using it as a starting block. Be interested to know once HSV owners have placed their ordered what price and deals they are getting

[Tre-Cool]

my brother was looking at a new one last week, sales man said they can't even sell the ones they have in stock.

plenty available on the 2nd hand market too

[Aus8]

While it's only a car that sum up the sadness of the situation. We have great locally made cars here that no one wants! We will miss them when they're gone that's for sure! Hope people are enjoying their Hyundai and SUV Wagons!

[Micks]

While it's only a car that sum up the sadness of the situation. We have great locally made cars here that no one wants! We will miss them when they're gone that's for sure! Hope people are enjoying their Hyundai and SUV Wagons!

True that..While my @sshole points to the ground will never own a Hyundai :spew:

[KeenGolfer]

While it's only a car that sum up the sadness of the situation. We have great locally made cars here that no one wants! We will miss them when they're gone that's for sure! Hope people are enjoying their Hyundai and SUV Wagons!

As much as I love the Commodore you can get so much more for your money elsewhere. Last week we sold our VE SV6 sportswagon and bought a new Skoda Octavia RS wagon. The Skoda is the same price as the Commodore but has so much more equipment, technology, safety, build quality and IMO looks better and has a much better driving experience. Yes it's not a V8 or even a V6 but the GTI engine is a ripper even as stock, and with nothing but a $1350 tune it flies.

[BLACK 346]

As much as I love the Commodore you can get so much more for your money elsewhere. Last week we sold our VE SV6 sportswagon and bought a new Skoda Octavia RS wagon. The Skoda is the same price as the Commodore but has so much more equipment, technology, safety, build quality and IMO looks better and has a much better driving experience. Yes it's not a V8 or even a V6 but the GTI engine is a ripper even as stock, and with nothing but a $1350 tune it flies.

Are they owned by VW? Reason I ask is a guy I work with went through hell with his last year and he was dealing with Solitaire VW here in Adelaide for warranty.
Edit: Long story short, computer died in it and they wanted 500 billion dollars to replace it and didn't think it was a warranty item.

[aussiebbq]

As much as I love the Commodore you can get so much more for your money elsewhere. Last week we sold our VE SV6 sportswagon and bought a new Skoda Octavia RS wagon. The Skoda is the same price as the Commodore but has so much more equipment, technology, safety, build quality and IMO looks better and has a much better driving experience. Yes it's not a V8 or even a V6 but the GTI engine is a ripper even as stock, and with nothing but a $1350 tune it flies.

Have fun with the excess oil consumption....

[KeenGolfer]

Have fun with the excess oil consumption....

Oh yeah, like Commodore engines never use any oil do they?

[KeenGolfer]

Are they owned by VW? Reason I ask is a guy I work with went through hell with his last year and he was dealing with Solitaire VW here in Adelaide for warranty.
Edit: Long story short, computer died in it and they wanted 500 billion dollars to replace it and didn't think it was a warranty item.

Yeah, a subsidiary of VW. Basically a roomier family Golf GTI. Three people I know have bought one in the last few months, two of them Commodore owners. Sounds like his dealer was crap. Fingers crossed, very happy with the local Skoda dealer so far.

[BLACK 346]

Yeah, a subsidiary of VW. Basically a roomier family Golf GTI. Three people I know have bought one in the last few months, two of them Commodore owners. Sounds like his dealer was crap. Fingers crossed, very happy with the local Skoda dealer so far.

Good luck mate, hope it serves you well :)

[super coach]

Looking forward to my AUSTRALIAN MADE car, which is built down the road for me. Enjoy your Skoda

[aussiebbq]

Oh yeah, like Commodore engines never use any oil do they?

Never said they didn't just the fact it's extremely prevalent in some of the VW family. From what I have seen it's basically a bottle of top up oil between services....

[korrupt]

Saw a new green SSV Redline yesterday. Driver gave it some as he took off and it sounded pretty good. Had a nice bark to it. Rear lights looked pretty good too

[CLUBRED]

Never said they didn't just the fact it's extremely prevalent in some of the VW family. From what I have seen it's basically a bottle of top up oil between services....

Mate of mine keeps his bottle of oil in the boot, no point getting it out he reckons. Whilst VW says they have a fix, and have "fixed it" - it still uses oil.

[Forum_Lurker]

Saw a new green SSV Redline yesterday. Driver gave it some as he took off and it sounded pretty good. Had a nice bark to it. Rear lights looked pretty good too

I wonder who the driver was and where the car was from. My understanding of at least 1 dealer in Victoria is that they won't be getting Redlines in stock until at least October.

[jaykay]

I wonder who the driver was and where the car was from. My understanding of at least 1 dealer in Victoria is that they won't be getting Redlines in stock until at least October.

Might be a promotional car ?

[Smitty]

dont know why you would want a manual anyway... :stick:

.. because the auto is crap :hide:

[super coach]

they are out there, you just gotta be good at spotting them. Apparently they are test cars going to and from the proving ground

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/11052524_952178161491269_2981710034624418089_n.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/11052524_952178161491269_2981710034624418089_n.jpg .html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/12063896_890976817662423_6971218374965089573_n.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/12063896_890976817662423_6971218374965089573_n.jpg .html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/12011320_10153454270474733_3657804514293381792_n.j pg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/12011320_10153454270474733_3657804514293381792_n.j pg.html)

[Forum_Lurker]

The Clubby Tourer looks pretty nice! Anyway, the redline I've ordered is coming in around a month. Its going to be a loooooonnng month.....

[jaykay]

The Clubby Tourer looks pretty nice! Anyway, the redline I've ordered is coming in around a month. Its going to be a loooooonnng month.....

What details of the redline ?

[super coach]

is it the same options as were previously available on the Redline? Option of the light interior and stripe and grille surround black outs etc??

[Forum_Lurker]

White redline auto sedan with 20" alloys, alloy spare, black roof, black fender surrounds, black front grill surrounds, black lip spoiler and floor mats. No mention of the light interior, but it should be black as per the cars shown during the announcement.

I personally didn't like the lighter suede/leather stripes as per the MY15 Calais.

[super coach]

White redline auto sedan with 20" alloys, alloy spare, black roof, black fender surrounds, black front grill surrounds, black lip spoiler and floor mats. No mention of the light interior, but it should be black as per the cars shown during the announcement.

I personally didn't like the lighter suede/leather stripes as per the MY15 Calais.

are you able to say a price you paid?

[Forum_Lurker]

Cheaper than listed here http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2015-vf-series-ii-holden-commodore-new-car-sales-price-35909 due to connections ;)

[super coach]

Cheaper than listed here http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2015-vf-series-ii-holden-commodore-new-car-sales-price-35909 due to connections ;)

cheaper than $56,190 with those options is pretty good, is the $56,190 inc ORC or is ORC on top of those prices? I will be happy to get a Redline for spot on $60k with all my options. Priced up one of the Series 1 on the Holden site and it came to $63k

[jaykay]

cheaper than $56,190 with those options is pretty good, is the $56,190 inc ORC or is ORC on top of those prices? I will be happy to get a Redline for spot on $60k with all my options. Priced up one of the Series 1 on the Holden site and it came to $63k

ORC are always on top of the list pricing quoted.....

[Plenty]

.. because the auto is crap :hide:

Bet you i can change gears faster in my Auto than you can in your manual..... I also bet you i never miss rev matching on a gear change down. The auto is not crap at all but maybe it's just that you prefer to change the gears yourself!?!?

[Smitty]

Bet you i can change gears faster in my Auto than you can in your manual..... I also bet you i never miss rev matching on a gear change down. The auto is not crap at all but maybe it's just that you prefer to change the gears yourself!?!?
change gears faster .. most lilkely
but .. the GM auto is still crap imho (and that is from Trimatic to the latest 6 speed in the VF).

Until they make one that won't continually shift up and down when towing on the freeway ... I sat in mate's VEII SS when towing his race car to PI and it did maybe a thousand up/down shifts travelling at the speed limit on the trip down and that is normal behaviour so state Holden !
and also won't flare up a couple of gears when you accelerate and then back off ...PLUS be in the right gear for the next corner/bend, I won't believe they are any good.

If you drive a cab or be like Avis and rent out cars, then I have no problem with sticking an auto in the taxi or renter coz there are 2 legged animals out there who can only use one whilst driving :)
... but for a performance road car, my choice is a manual transmission (well until maybe they get a decent auto available)



.... and that is why i won't be buying a GENF-2 Tourer any time.

[Plenty]

change gears faster .. most lilkely
but .. the GM auto is still crap imho (and that is from Trimatic to the latest 6 speed in the VF).

Until they make one that won't continually shift up and down when towing on the freeway ... I sat in mate's VEII SS when towing his race car to PI and it did maybe a thousand up/down shifts travelling at the speed limit on the trip down and that is normal behaviour so state Holden !
and also won't flare up a couple of gears when you accelerate and then back off ...PLUS be in the right gear for the next corner/bend, I won't believe they are any good.

If you drive a cab or be like Avis and rent out cars, then I have no problem with sticking an auto in the taxi or renter coz there are 2 legged animals out there who can only use one whilst driving :)
... but for a performance road car, my choice is a manual transmission (well until maybe they get a decent auto available)



.... and that is why i won't be buying a GENF-2 Tourer any time.

The auto does also come with the option to use it in sports mode which holds gears longer or if you so wish, the option to change gears manually and it'll hold them all day long if you want.

The auto is definitely not perfect but then again the manual isn't really any better IMO, besides nothing better than that 'D' for Dumb mode when stuck in traffic.

[DanielSS-V]

http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1509/hsv-gen-f2-range-revealed/

The base models have been discontinued but there are still non LSA variants coming.
I believe the "wait" is more due to the excessive numbers of series 1's they've got lying around than any availability issues.

True and HSV probably don't want people comparing the base Clubbie with a supercharged one directly at launch and seeing the price jump. And as you say there is still a ton of series 1 LS3 HSV's to move. I think when the motoring press started leaking details on the SS getting the LS3, sales of the HSV tanked.

[Forum_Lurker]

If they price the LS3 clubsport at $70k, I think people will spend either $10k less on the Redline or $10k more on the LSA version.

I don't expect to see many of them in the road for some reason.

[super coach]

why would you buy a LS3 HSV when you can have a SSV LS3, which would probably have more features than the HSV now that HSV have made a lot of things as options. the price difference between LSA ClubSport and SSV Redline has grown out to $27k. Ouch!

SSV Redline $63k Drive away

LS3 R8 $?? Drive Away

LSA R8 - $90K Drive away

[CLUBRED]

Brand New MY15 GTS M6 for $88k DA (actually, there's a few cheaper, but you get the idea).

[super coach]

and the rest of them seem to be $92k+ :(

[super coach]

this is the best I can find in the colour and option combo im looking for

http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2015/AGC-AD-18288108/?Cr=29

[motomk]

this is the best I can find in the colour and option combo im looking for

http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2015/AGC-AD-18288108/?Cr=29

That one, after a lot of searching is on the Gold Coast
http://www.surferscityholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Ashmore-QLD/2532857643

In Victoria
http://www.barrybourkeholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2014-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Berwick-VIC/2440712443 MY15 but built end of last year?
http://www.ferntreegullyholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Ferntree_Gully-VIC/2596750553

In NSW
http://www.pennanthillsholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Pennant_Hills-NSW/2499778353
http://www.paulwakelingholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Campbelltown-NSW/2536927033

Everything has sunroofs! Why?!!

[CALDIR]

Everything has sunroofs! Why?!!

Hi

So that HSV owners can enjoy the benefits of climate change!

Regards,

GTSRVF

[super coach]

That one, after a lot of searching is on the Gold Coast
http://www.surferscityholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Ashmore-QLD/2532857643

In Victoria
http://www.barrybourkeholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2014-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Berwick-VIC/2440712443 MY15 but built end of last year?
http://www.ferntreegullyholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Ferntree_Gully-VIC/2596750553

In NSW
http://www.pennanthillsholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Pennant_Hills-NSW/2499778353
http://www.paulwakelingholden.com.au/VehicleDetails/new-2015-HSV-GTS-GEN_F-Campbelltown-NSW/2536927033

Everything has sunroofs! Why?!!

only one those has a sunroof, the other has a blackout roof, and the best they can do is $2k off the price

[motomk]

only one those has a sunroof, the other has a blackout roof, and the best they can do is $2k off the price

The sunroofs comment was more aimed at the colour I like. :)
Looks like a lot of the MY15 cars scored sunroofs and with my head to hair ratio, a sunroof is about as much use as a set of tyres made of ice cream.

[CLUBRED]

Have you sat in a VF with sunroof? The VF sunroof for some reason isn't the same as the VE, I had the same problem and I can't explain why but the VF must be a slimmer sunroof or the seats are different cos it wasn't an issue for me VE-VF.

[super coach]

was tinkering with some styling for a VFII Redline that I might buy instead of a GenF2 ClubSport. I hope Holden still have the RedHot Grille surround option. Don't like the black rims either, hopefully they have an option of machine faced with gunmetal ports

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/12080082_10153022610931036_7944114358569848643_o.j pg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/12080082_10153022610931036_7944114358569848643_o.j pg.html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/HF20.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/HF20.jpg.html)

[aussiebbq]

Looks like it has lip stick on....

[BLACK 346]

Looks like it has lip stick on....

Couldn't put my finger on it, but you nailed it lol.

[Smitty]

Have you sat in a VF with sunroof? The VF sunroof for some reason isn't the same as the VE, I had the same problem and I can't explain why but the VF must be a slimmer sunroof or the seats are different cos it wasn't an issue for me VE-VF.

VF seats.. all of them (whether full power assist or not) are completely different from VE
different mountings, squab size and angle etc....

[Smitty]

was tinkering with some styling for a VFII Redline that I might buy instead of a GenF2 ClubSport. I hope Holden still have the RedHot Grille surround option. Don't like the black rims either, hopefully they have an option of machine faced with gunmetal ports

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/12080082_10153022610931036_7944114358569848643_o.j pg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/12080082_10153022610931036_7944114358569848643_o.j pg.html)
...................]

why does that.... remind me of this ? :hide:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/11/29/1226770/943374-3ce043e0-5700-11e3-ba26-b7fc4856beca.jpg

[jaykay]

Any idea when first cars will be in dealerships ?

[aussiebbq]

Any idea when first cars will be in dealerships ?

8 October is when it's properly released but talk is of November.

[super coach]

so details are out from Holden on VFII, kinda disappointed that there isnt a great style to customise/optionise your own vehicle. No longer Red grille surrounds or red stripes available, redline no longer available with the light interior option, only all black, and the same goes with the alloys. If you dont like black it seems you are stuck with it on the standard wheels and optioned wheels

[Smitty]

Any idea when first cars will be in dealerships ?

dunno about VFII but there was HSV GEN-F2 Tourer parked outside my local dealer when i picked mine up last night
(after a service). Quite easy to pick with the new wheels, tail lights and 'black' theme....

[munro75]

No GTS-R name plate according to this article.

http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/news/2015/holden/commodore/confirmed-vfii-will-be-last-aussie-commodore-54424

"motoring.com.au has been told HSV is plotting "something big" based on its GTS flagship, which is already Australia's most powerful locally-built car at 430kW/740Nm, and potentially powered by the 476kW/819Nm supercharged 6.2-litre LS9 V8 from the discontinued Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. It's understood HSV won't be reviving the GTS-R name."

[CALDIR]

No GTS-R name plate according to this article.

That sux balls!

Regards,

GTSRVF

[jaykay]

That sux balls!

Regards,

GTSRVF

:lmao:.......

[Forum_Lurker]

Regards,

GTSRVF

Greatest username EVER! I can feel a post on www(dot)fmylife(dot)com coming......

[CALDIR]

Greatest username EVER! I can feel a post on www(dot)fmylife(dot)com coming......

Hi

And I have the personalised plates in Victoria "GTSRVF".

Regards,

GTSRVF

[HOTSV8]

That's ok. I have VFGTSR in nsw. For sale now :doh:


Hi

And I have the personalised plates in Victoria "GTSRVF".

Regards,

GTSRVF

[Forum_Lurker]

Victoria "GTSRVF"


VFGTSR in nsw

LOL! I guess both of you took a punt that could have paid off handsomely.

[HOTSV8]

Could've . Maybe ? Might just have to buy a red vf gts to match the plates now . Or just see what does eventuate in the next 12 months or so .

[LSA]

So.....

The only question is....

Who's getting a LSA powered HSV in the near future?

For me,

I haven't even thought about upgrading until the LSA was going to be in all models, thinking by then/now the tuners would have them all sorted and the prices on new cars might drop a little too...(might take a while to drop a little but most HSV drop in price 6 months after release)...i'm hoping anyway...

I'm thinking somewhere around June-August next year would work best for me with not too much of a hit to my E2 Maloo GXP, it should only cost $40k after selling my car/saving to get into a LSA....

Who else here is crunching the numbers to get into a LSA?

Maloo R8 LSA in red.....manual....

[Surfnturf]

Im after the GTS secondhand in the low 60s or new in the low $80s . I have a 07 Senator with 46k perfect condition hoping to get at least 30k trade in. Hopefully

[CLUBRED]

Where are these GTS in the low 60's?

[HOTSV8]

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2013/SSE-AD-3478799/?Cr=0

High 60's . Its the only one in the 60's . Another 6 months and i reckon mid to low 60's .

[jaykay]

Im after the GTS secondhand in the low 60s or new in the low $80s . I have a 07 Senator with 46k perfect condition hoping to get at least 30k trade in. Hopefully

How about a 2015 auto with 1,000km d/a under $80k?

http://www.carsales.com.au/nearnew/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2015/AGC-AD-17478527/?Cr=1

[super coach]

according to this article, this is one of the first sticker special models to be released, but only to GMH Employees.

I know that there will be a few more and Holden has registered the following names as potential future special models "Bathurst "Panorama"

I wonder if they would be worth buying or not

http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/news/2015/holden/commodore/confirmed-vfii-will-be-last-aussie-commodore-54424


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/12122469_1080845821940703_5095283496712857113_n.jp g (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/12122469_1080845821940703_5095283496712857113_n.jp g.html)

[A PSYCHO]

How about a 2015 auto with 1,000km d/a under $80k?

http://www.carsales.com.au/nearnew/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2015/AGC-AD-17478527/?Cr=1

dead link or sold?

[Micks]

How about a 2015 auto with 1,000km d/a under $80k?

http://www.carsales.com.au/nearnew/details/Holden-Special-Vehicles-GTS-2015/AGC-AD-17478527/?Cr=1

Aw John :doh: :lol:

[HOTSV8]

It was there earlier . Ok , own up . Who bought it ????

[Micks]

It was there earlier . Ok , own up . Who bought it ????

Not me, I could buy a S/H C63 for that! :lol:

[jaykay]

dead link or sold?

I'd say at that price sold....


Aw John :doh: :lol:

:slap:

[CLUBRED]

I'd say a dealer error in advertising, they probably pulled the ad and resubmitted.

[El Narros]

guys, for those who have bought a new Holden in the last few years how hard can you push on price? I'm looking at VFII SSV wagon, roughly 59k.

[VFast]

guys, for those who have bought a new Holden in the last few years how hard can you push on price? I'm looking at VFII SSV wagon, roughly 59k.
5% discount should be easy, 10% if you know someone

[Hos]

guys, for those who have bought a new Holden in the last few years how hard can you push on price? I'm looking at VFII SSV wagon, roughly 59k.

Around 55-57k with towbar, mats, cargo barrier, full size spare, tint etc.

[El Narros]

thanks guys, need to find someone with stock now.

[super coach]

things that I dislike about VFII Sedan (in particular Redline)
no more sports bolster on the seats (i know they went out with my15 changes)
no more two tone/cream leather option for the interior
no red stitching on the seats like their used to be
no CD player - really annoying having to download music which sometimes doesnt have the same quality as CD
no DVD player to watch things on the screen
no DAB radio
didnt fix the centre air vents to stop the driver getting whacked by the sun glare
removed rear seat cup holders that pop out from the base (wonder if I can retro fit them)
no adjustable rear headrests

only comes with black exterior highlights, by that I mean can only be black alloys, no choice of a machine face finish or dark grey finish
only black grille surrounds and stripes - no red option
Redline still running the same style alloys, but rest of range gets new wheels design
optional alloys only come in black (is all this black to mark the death of Holden?)

the fact that there isnt much of a gap anymore between Redline and the other V8 models as they have gotten most of the items Redline had in Series I, its only brembos & FE3 that you cant get on the other SS models.

But I do love the new front bar, the LS3 and the sound it makes, I also dont mind the rear tail lights on the sedan.

[CALDIR]

things that I dislike about VFII Sedan (in particular Redline)
no more sports bolster on the seats

Hi

Perfect for fat cxxxs like me!

Regards,

GTSRVF

[CLUBRED]

I also dont mind the rear tail lights on the sedan.

I kind of prefer the VF1 tail lights. No adjustable rear headrests - shame as people with cars seats will crush the foam/leather, I liked the fact you can feed the straps under the rear head rest.

[Smashfist]

No adjustable rear headrests - shame as people with cars seats will crush the foam/leather, I liked the fact you can feed the straps under the rear head rest.

You wouldn't need straps with an ISOFIX seat would you?

[Forum_Lurker]

You still need to use the top strap according to Australian regulations. I don't think it's required in Europe though.

[Plenty]

You wouldn't need straps with an ISOFIX seat would you?

ISOFIX is designed to reduce the loose seatbelt issues associated with traditional child seats. the ISOFIX is a solid "lock in" fastening and will not loosen over time. The top tether is still required as that is what secures the backing or top of the seat.

[SUPERH2377]

i agree no cd player anymore or dab radio whe ford has them at least have them as an option
still no manual wagon so much for listening i want a V8 manual wagon to match my ve special edition and hsv don't do one any more because that would be my option.
for all those people who say a manual in peak just DONT know how to drive, i drive for a living and won't have an auto too dangerous ofr me, you don't get sore legs from pushing in the clutch or tennis elbow from using the gear stick.

[A PSYCHO]

autos are too dangerous?... :rolleyes:

[SUPERH2377]

you have to wait for them to change back to accelarate where in a manual you put your foot down and instance response

[Jag530G]

you have to wait for them to change back to accelarate where in a manual you put your foot down and instance response

Only if you're in a lower gear to begin with. if you are cruising along you wont be. Autos slaughter manuals in rolling accelaration tests unless the manual is in a ridulously low gear to start with. I drive a manual and the one bug bear is precisely this, whereas in an auto it kicks down and you're away. Either that or you drive along the highway in 4th or 5th guzzling fuel revving the engine at 2500-3000rpm.

Cheers, Matthew

[IJ.]

"I drive for a living"....

4448

[Micks]

Only if you're in a lower gear to begin with. if you are cruising along you wont be. Autos slaughter manuals in rolling accelaration tests unless the manual is in a ridulously low gear to start with. I drive a manual and the one bug bear is precisely this, whereas in an auto it kicks down and you're away. Either that or you drive along the highway in 4th or 5th guzzling fuel revving the engine at 2500-3000rpm.

Cheers, Matthew
Yeah & un tuned A6 lags deciding what gear to select!

[Smitty]

still no manual wagon so much for listening i want a V8 manual wagon to match my ve special edition and hsv don't do one any more because that would be my option.
.............

I bought probably the last ever HSV R8 Tourer made with a manual trans.
Have lost count of the number of V8 manual wagons from Holden that I have had (...since the late 70s) and when Holden nudged HSV and said no more
manual wagons (Tourers) this time last year (HSV press release late Oct2014) I found only 3 left. In the space of 72 hours after that press release..2 had gone
so I haggled hard and got the 3rd one. The one I bought had a September '14 build date...

[Smitty]

............. Autos slaughter manuals in rolling accelaration tests unless the manual is in a ridulously low gear to start with. I drive a manual and the one bug bear is precisely this, whereas in an auto it kicks down and you're away. Either that or you drive along the highway in 4th or 5th guzzling fuel revving the engine at 2500-3000rpm.

Cheers, Matthew

car companies and auto mags conduct rolling acceleration tests .. either with autos or manuals... starting with the same gear.


The test is... whether a transmission can be in the correct gear coming out of a corner. An auto most likely won't be
until the foot goes down, it senses the road speed and required acceleration and then chooses the correct gear.
A manual vehicle will be, if driven correctly .. that is, the driver selects the correct gear for the corner.

Having said that, I (unfortunately) know some drivers with manual vehicles... who just don't bother.
Turn into a side street in suburbia?... yep leave the trans in top gear :doh:

[IJ.]

Have they stopped putting a shift lever in Auto VF's?

If the laggy Auto shifting is "dangerous" it would suggest someone is cutting things way too close to be safe anyway..

[Smashfist]

Have they stopped putting a shift lever in Auto VF's?

If the laggy Auto shifting is "dangerous" it would suggest someone is cutting things way too close to be safe anyway..

Shift lever and you can opt the flappy paddles for extra quick shiftage. The autos are pretty nice in the VF's anyway. Rev matches on downshift and everything.

[Highway]

Drove the redline this afternoon in a manual and its real good. Sound of exhaust,handling and power is nice.Also tryed a clubby to try the paddle shifts.
The redline makes the clubby very quiet in comparison

[Forum_Lurker]

Sound of exhaust.......
The redline makes the clubby very quiet in comparison
I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas morning waiting for mine

[crisis]

How much extra "response" does one need when driving a 6.2Lt?

[otty82]

not looking to buy till this time next year, but just wordering if anyone has priced the bose stereo upgrade on the ssv?

[white lie]

not looking to buy till this time next year, but just wordering if anyone has priced the bose stereo upgrade on the ssv?
The spec sheet lists it as standard?
But any upgrades, I would imagine you can do a lot better for the price with aftermarket audio

[otty82]

i think its only redline that its standard

[mac06]

i think its only redline that its standard

It's standard on Redline and Calais-V. Otherwise the Bose comes as part of a package, so to get it you also have to get the sunroof. Package costs $2,490 and is for SS-V Sedan only.

[Micks]

It's standard on Redline and Calais-V. Otherwise the Bose comes as part of a package, so to get it you also have to get the sunroof. Package costs $2,490 and is for SS-V Sedan only.
You certainly have the good oil on the VF series 2 :up2sum:

[jaykay]

You certainly have the good oil on the VF series 2 :up2sum:

So he should he works for Holden...... :idea:

[jaykay]

It's standard on Redline and Calais-V. Otherwise the Bose comes as part of a package, so to get it you also have to get the sunroof. Package costs $2,490 and is for SS-V Sedan only.

That's a pretty good price for the package

[sjhugh]

Can anyone tell me what they know about the performance upgrade being offered for the standard VF2 Redline Brembo brake package?

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about the performance brake upgrade option for non Redline V8’s.

This is an upgrade for the VF2 Redline Brembos.

I’m told the option is to upgrade the existing Brembo package to bigger discs & callipers, the callipers will also have an improved action over the standard set plus more performance orientated pads.

Can anyone in the know shed some light?

[Forum_Lurker]

Can anyone tell me what they know about the performance upgrade being offered for the standard VF2 Redline Brembo brake package?

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about the performance brake upgrade option for non Redline V8’s.

This is an upgrade for the VF2 Redline Brembos.

I’m told the option is to upgrade the existing Brembo package to bigger discs & callipers, the callipers will also have an improved action over the standard set plus more performance orientated pads.

Can anyone in the know shed some light?
This is news to me. The only brake upgrade I know about is the upgrade to the non-Redline V8s as you have mentioned. AFAIK, the Redline Brembos cannot be upgraded.

[CLUBRED]

Genf2 hits the dealers.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=OAG-AD-12021442&Cr=5

PS - is the black roof an option for wagons?

[white lie]

Genf2 hits the dealers.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=OAG-AD-12021442&Cr=5

PS - is the black roof an option for wagons?

Nope. Not even an option on all colours in the sedans. May as well just get it done aftermarket. How hard is it to paint a roof!
I think the only options for the Tourer are the EDI and a full size spare.

[Smitty]

Genf2 hits the dealers.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=OAG-AD-12021442&Cr=5

PS - is the black roof an option for wagons?


wow these guys are up to date... not!

I reported here previously (couple of weeks ago?) that I had seen one at my local dealer

[redvxr8clubby]

This is news to me. The only brake upgrade I know about is the upgrade to the non-Redline V8s as you have mentioned. AFAIK, the Redline Brembos cannot be upgraded.

I was thinking the same - Redline brake Upgrade is called a Clubsport.

[scotty82]

Forum_Lurker I might be wrong but did VF II Redline get Brembos on the rear where VF I Redline didn't?

[sjhugh]

Here are two photos taken of the car I’ve been test driving that shows the factory stock front and rear Brembo brakes for the VF2 Redline.



Front

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/IMG_1870_zpsp4nqynxn.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/IMG_1870_zpsp4nqynxn.jpg.html)


Rear

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/IMG_1873_zps1nrcvyvu.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/IMG_1873_zps1nrcvyvu.jpg.html)

[sjhugh]

This is news to me. The only brake upgrade I know about is the upgrade to the non-Redline V8s as you have mentioned. AFAIK, the Redline Brembos cannot be upgraded.


I’m happy to be corrected on any of my posts regarding the brake setups for the V8 VF2’s as I appear to be the only person on the planet that thinks there may be an upgrade available for the Redline.

You’ve got an order in, why not ask your Dealer to check there ordering system or with Holden for a factory only fitted brake upgrade for the stock VF2 Redline setup and tells us what they say.

If I’m wrong I’m wrong, if I’m right it may help others who may wish to check if the upgrade is worth the additional cost.

It’s not the same price as the VF2 SSV upgrade which if I’m correct includes the following:
(This info came partly from the VF2 brochure with added detail lifted from another Forum.)

Standard Front SSV Disc = 321x30mm
Upgraded Front Disc = 345x30

Standard Front SSV Calliper = 42mm (Twin Piston)
Upgraded Front Calliper = 60mm (Single Piston)

Rear Discs & Callipers remain unchanged

Standard SSV Pads = Non Asbestos Organic Pad
Upgraded Pads = Low Metallic Pad

Plus Upgraded Master Cylinder.

[sjhugh]

I was thinking the same - Redline brake Upgrade is called a Clubsport.

Maybe something in between would be closer to the mark.

[Kthree]

Morning guys, new here. In the process of acquiring a Redline (still 3wks away for a manual) and there was no upgrade for the Brembos, even went so far as to sneak a look through the pink option book when the salesman went out for 15mins to check something. Wouldve loved to delete the sunroof but no can do on that

[sjhugh]

There is nothing mentioned in the Brochures or on Holden’s Official Consumer Website.

I sat on the salesman’s lap while we went through the options list for the VF2 SSV Redline in the Holden computer ordering system and after stopping to discuss what this upgrade was, the option for a factory only fitted upgrade for the standard Redline Brembos was ticked.

If no-one else who has ordered a Redline has seen this in the ordering System then are there any Holden salespeople on the Forum that know what this option is or can confirm that I need to make sure to get my money back?

[mac06]

The Series 1 Redline had front Brembo brakes only, with the exception of the Craig Lowndes Pack which had front and rear. The Series 2 Redline has front and rear Brembos and there is no option to upgrade them.

The only brake upgrade available is the performance brakes with V8's excluding the Redline. The performance brakes are the same as those fitted to the US police packs, but not as good as the Brembos. Cost is only $350 so well worth it. For that you get larger vented front rotors and calipers with high performance pads.

[Micks]

Would've loved to delete the sunroof but no can do on that
Be the reason I won't consider one :nono:

[sjhugh]

The Series 1 Redline had front Brembo brakes only, with the exception of the Craig Lowndes Pack which had front and rear. The Series 2 Redline has front and rear Brembos and there is no option to upgrade them.

The only brake upgrade available is the performance brakes with V8's excluding the Redline. The performance brakes are the same as those fitted to the US police packs, but not as good as the Brembos. Cost is only $350 so well worth it. For that you get larger vented front rotors and calipers with high performance pads.


Hi mac06, I was waiting to hear from you.

Yes I know about the ‘US Police Park’ which is being offered as a $350 option for the V8’s other than Redline.

The upgrade I’m talking about is in the System for $318.18 which with GST added would be $350.

I was the second Redline at the Dealership to be optioned with the upgrade.

I questioned the upgrade and asked the Dealership to confirm it for me through Holden and two working days later they contacted me and said the upgrade package for the Redline consisted of larger slotted rotors, larger callipers, the callipers were of better quality over the standard Brembos callipers offered on the Redline with an improved action and a different set of pads.

The Dealer has a car coming in with this option so I’ll go and check it out.

I was hoping someone may have heard of the upgrade as I believe you are probably right.


.

[Kthree]

Be the reason I won't consider one :nono:
It'll be primarily the Mrs' car, and she opted it over the wagon because no manual available, so it could've been worse. She is already keen to bring it down to wakefield with the club so another set of rims and some NT01s will be the next thing to save for [emoji21]
Originally hoped to have it today so i could take it around Eastern creek GP tomorrow lunch for a 'passenger ride' session with the kids [emoji22]

[Forum_Lurker]

I questioned the upgrade and asked the Dealership to confirm it for me through Holden and two working days later they contacted me and said the upgrade package for the Redline consisted of larger slotted rotors, larger callipers, the callipers were of better quality over the standard Brembos callipers offered on the Redline with an improved action and a different set of pads.

The Dealer has a car coming in with this option so I’ll go and check it out.

Definitely news to me. Quite coincidental that the upgrade prices are the same too...... I seriously doubt it. Good luck though :)

[CLUBRED]

$350 doesn't sound like enough to upgrade all 4 brembos....

[white lie]

$350 doesn't sound like enough to upgrade all 4 brembos....
Sounds like a pad only upgrade to me...and they'll still be dustier than 99% of aftermarket pads!

[BLACK 346]

On a side note and not wanting to start an entirely new thread, there was another attempt to steal cars from Holden this morning it seems. Was out running with a few work mates at around 0745 and heading past the vehicle holding yard just off Commercial Rd and noticed a heap of broken car bits and a section of fence flattened. Police were starting to arrive as we went past and taking photos etc, and quite a few Holden workers were inside checking out the cars. Haven't seen anything on the News yet.

[Swordie]

HSV Clubsport LSA vs Holden Commodore SS-V Redline

http://www.carsguide.com.au/head-to-head/hsv-clubsport-lsa-vs-holden-vf-ii-commodore-ss-v-redline-20151030-36543

[jaykay]

http://youtu.be/FYEsjOVp2-E

Auto v manual not apples for apples

[Smitty]

http://youtu.be/FYEsjOVp2-E

Auto v manual not apples for apples

.. in that instance yep.definitely
interesting no mention of the use of Launch control (which I believe is standard on the Redline Manual)

next..??? a lap of Sandown (or Winton... or your fave track) to see which comes out in front :)

[Plenty]

.. in that instance yep.definitely
interesting no mention of the use of Launch control (which I believe is standard on the Redline Manual)

next..??? a lap of Sandown (or Winton... or your fave track) to see which comes out in front :)

The VF I Redline was quicker around the track let alone now with the LS3!

[HSV Listy]

Let alone if they swapped holden auto to manual xr8, how hard it is to get the manual xr8 off the line. Not something you learn in a few goes. This is me and man it's hard. I gave up without trac control on after about 10 goes of smoke or bogged down. (Borrowed one for a weekend)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMZYn-DC5k

[185iboy]

The question is now to see how fast someone can get a stock VF II down the strip in an auto. I trust forum drivers more than these magazine drivers. I already know the XR8 with the worst driver would still be able to do a 12.7.. But still I wish they would do 40-80kmh and 80-120kmh tests

[Kthree]

3 days for pre-delivery ugh, how bloody long does it take to screw on number plates and an antenna. Hurry up friday arvo

[HSV Listy]

Here is a 80 to 130 in a xr8. Me again
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hxs9cJ7nAlk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxs9cJ7nAlk&app=desktop

[Smitty]

3 days for pre-delivery ugh, how bloody long does it take to screw on number plates and an antenna. Hurry up friday arvo

.. given the state the car comes off the truck and the LONG checklist that Holden give dealers to tick off before it can be rego'd and handed over
3 days is usual in my experience .. maybe 4 days if you want tint and towbar as well