... new Opel Holden Insignia

[Smitty]

... well I have just driven past a new Opel Insignia
and
i have to say that the photos do it justice.

A most stange looking vehicle.. looks squashed from behind
and a very high ride height. Now I understand why there are
NO straight on frontal or rear pics of it on the Holden site

... just saying (and no, I won't be buying one... not at well over $55k drive away)

[VTClubSprtR8]

Mmm, but being 240kw 2.8 V6 and AWD it probably goes like a scolded cat. Though it is a shave under 1800 kg.

[Resetar]

That's Crazy Holden Website Price $58061 Drive away vs SSV Redline $58581 Which one would you buy ??

[BLACK 346]

http://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/holden-insignia-vxr-first-drive-review-20150624-ghwduh.html

[VNV8]

That is shit. 30+ kw down on power, a second slower to 100km/h, no lighter, not a great deal more economical, and damn near the same price, without (eventually) supporting any Aussie jobs. Good job, Holden.

[team illucid]

I don't mind it. Will be interesting to see if they can be tuned into something gruntier.

[white lie]

I don't mind it. Will be interesting to see if they can be tuned into something gruntier.
There's a few vids on YouTube of one with 600-650hp ;)

[Smitty]

That is shit. 30+ kw down on power, a second slower to 100km/h, no lighter, not a great deal more economical, and damn near the same price, without (eventually) supporting any Aussie jobs. Good job, Holden.

... Holden don't even offer a towbar for it :(

[Ausmartin1]

... Holden don't even offer a towbar for it :(
LOL!
They are not in touch with the old Australian values - maybe if you did tow you would break it in the warranty period (Heaven forbid)

This is supposed to target the New Metro demographic, but in this market segment there are so many other options in brands and models it is not even funny.
It's going to be a struggle for them, plus Opels are more fragile and need more TLC in service.

I pity the guys in the parts departments sourcing Australian, American, Korean, Thailand and now European.
Holden warehouse better stock up as dealers aren't going to with this many models (They will be lucky to stock general service items for the lot).

[whitels1ss]

Meanwhile.......


Ford are bringing out the Focus RS with 257kW and 470Nm....

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"The Ford Focus RS will again be the bully-boy of the hot-hatch genre, with huge outputs from its 2.3-litre turbo engine confirmed.
To match its lairy exterior, the all-wheel drive Focus RS will make a massive 440Nm between 2000rpm and 4500rpm, with 470Nm available for 15 seconds of full-throttle overboost. The accompanying 257kW will arrive just before the 6800rpm cut-out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnRB0KQrpPI

Ken Block will drive a prototype Ford Focus RS at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in July. Which is fitting because it’s the first Focus RS to get multiple driver-selectable modes including launch control and, um, a Drift Mode that “allows controlled oversteer drifts”.
In addition there are also Normal, Sport and Track modes. Sport makes the throttle more responsive, the exhaust louder and the steering firmer. Track adds a more aggressive all-wheel drive tune with wider slip angles for the stability control and harder suspension damping (that can also be independently selected/deselected)."



I know which one I'd rather have...:yup:



http://www.motormag.com.au/news/1506/ford-focus-rs-power-revealed/

[Smitty]

Meanwhile.......

Ford are bringing out the Focus RS with 257kW and 470Nm....
..............
I know which one I'd rather have...:yup:



.. absolutely !

[whitels1ss]

I think Ford will go miles in front of Holden in sales with things like this & the Mustang compared with what Holden has on offer.

Sadly I think it's time for Holden to bring back their old marketing slogan....

"Game Over"

:hide:

[Smitty]

I think Ford will go miles in front of Holden in sales with things like this & the Mustang compared with what Holden has on offer.

Sadly I think it's time for Holden to bring back their old marketing slogan....

"Game Over"



:hide:

or... the current 'lets go there' ;)

[Jag530G]

The major issue for Holden is that its line up is getting very long in the tooth. Take the Insignia as an example, it has been available in Europe since about 2009 and is soon to be replaced. Holden are releasing the Insignia, as well as the Astra towards the end of their model life more to get the nameplates back in the market place. This is a bit like when they released the TR Astra in Australia back in 97 near the end of its life in Europe. Just over a year later the new TS Astra came out and was very successful. The real action will be in the new models released in the next two years, so I wouldn't get too hung up about the luke warm reviews of the current Astra and Insignia.

The Cruze and Captiva are also very old now. There are already details/pictures of the next model Cruze on the web. Holden desparately need it as Cruze sales have really fallen away. Haven't heard anything about a Captiva replacement. This is probably the most important car in the range after the Commodore looking at current sales, so a competative update is needed yesterday.

Cheers, Matthew

[Ausmartin1]

or... the current 'lets go there' ;)

I see what you did there ;-)

[redvxr8clubby]

... Holden don't even offer a towbar for it :(

I guess given the target market, they don't consider it worth the design and testing for the very few of these cars they are going to sell, and very few owners that actually want a towbar on this type of car. I'm sure their sales expectation would be pretty low, and they would have memories of the last generation of Vectra sales and the price of car dictated sales were always going to be low numbers. I don't know exactly what we are going to have in the show rooms in 2018, but given the current Holden range and no Commodore, they need a serious change to current offerings or they will be dead in the water. I don't doubt there are plans there, and I understand long lead times for this, but right now it's not looking real good for Holden. Ford are looking much better post Falcon than Holden right now.

[crisis]

LOL!
They are not in touch with the old Australian values - maybe if you did tow you would break it in the warranty period (Heaven forbid)

As well as the fact they probably buy it off the shelf from Opel so it comes as is. All the do is change the badge.

[csv rulz]

You could save yourself $20k and buy a near new opel insignia opc if you wanted one of these.

[Smashfist]

The current Insignia is just a placeholder to get the name in the market. The next Insignia isn't far away and is rumored to have something like ~320kw.

[redvxr8clubby]

The current Insignia is just a placeholder to get the name in the market. The next Insignia isn't far away and is rumored to have something like ~320kw.

Makes sense, especially if so HSV have Insignia beyond the VF, I don't think anything less than 300kw would be a spectacular seller under a HSV badge.

[BLACK 346]

Makes sense, especially if so HSV have Insignia beyond the VF, I don't think anything less than 300kw would be a spectacular seller under a HSV badge.

I don't think anything with less than 8 Cylinders would be a spectacular seller under a HSV badge imho.

[Smitty]

I don't think anything with less than 8 Cylinders would be a spectacular seller under a HSV badge imho.

but something with a 3.6 V6 and 2 hairdryers equalling 350kw+ ... might be an acceptable replacement ;)

[CLUBRED]

In it's current form, it would need that extra to get the fat thing moving.

[Woodchukka]

but something with a 3.6 V6 and 2 hairdryers equalling 350kw+ ... might be an acceptable replacement ;)
Extra power with hairdryers already attached might see some interesting aftermarket additions.

[mac06]

Interesting review of the Insignia, driven in the snow and ice in NZ. Get's a reasonably good writeup, with a bit of information on how the adaptive all-wheel drive system works.

http://westwheels.caradvice.com.au/361541/2015-holden-insignia-vxr-review/

[whitels1ss]

Yeah Mick, I know this is a big tread dig..... :stick: :lmao:

but I just saw a used Insignia advertised which made me think & I can honestly say I can't ever remember seeing one on the road.

Anyone know anyone who ever bought one? :cheers:

[BLACK 346]

Yeah Mick, I know this is a big tread dig..... :stick: :lmao:

but I just saw a used Insignia advertised which made me think & I can honestly say I can't ever remember seeing one on the road.

Anyone know anyone who ever bought one? :cheers:

I regularly saw one out at Salisbury on my morning work commute last year. Only one I have ever seen.

[Pickles]

Interesting comments about them being seen,....because it's true.
I don't notice them either, I was on a walk just this week & I saw this car & I didn't know what it was,...could've been a Mondeo or a 626, but no, looked at the badge & it was a ZB!
They just look similar to many other cars......and you could say that generally, cars these days do look much more the same than they used to,...IMHO.
Pickles.