"Toughseal" & other paint protection

[Bryce_G]

Anyone ever used this before or had it applied? looking to have my car detailed and the detailer assures me this will keep my car in just-detailed condition for the next 12 months minimum.

Sounds great and all but to put it on costs just as much as the detail itself so pretty much doubling up....

Anyone here had an experience with this or similar? thoughts/recommendations?

[Maccas]

Hi Bryce,

Any quality detail can last up to 12 months, if not longer, if the correct care is taken in between.

Ceramic coats are all the rage at the moment, which i gather this is another of those, they are good but do require a fair bit of work, as you have to get the paint corrected first then usually apply and bake the coating on.

The biggest keys i points i would give u is to follow these steps once you have had it corrected and sealed:
- get a snow foam gun and use it for every wash as it softens any dirt, grit or contaminates on your paint
- rinse the snow foam off then wash with the 2 bucket method
- dry with microfibers, and if possible with a spray wax at the same time to increase lubrication and reduce marring

Hope it helps

Cheers

Maccas

[white lie]

^On the money ;)

[QIKMIK]

Depending on how into detailing you are, there are some cheaper alternatives on the market. After giving the car a proper clean (wash, clay, polish), I use a 2-stage product from Duragloss (601 bonding agent/105 polish) that gives me around 12 months of protection. The two products together cost less than $50.

To give you an indication of longevity, my car is garaged every night and driven every day, rain or shine. I wash the car once or twice a month. After 12 months, I needed to use a stronger wash product (Mint APC) to remove the coating so I could detail again. When I clayed the car this time around, the paint was clean enough that I probably could have done the whole car without even folding the clay over from the first side. Mostly suburban driving in Canberra but the year included a trip to Brisbane, Melbourne and a few longer country drives.

Mick

[white lie]

I'm just about to put that on the Mrs's new Qashqai. Was meant to do it today but it will be tomorrow now. Did you just do the two coats Mick?

[QIKMIK]

After all the prep I said, it's just one coat of 601 then one coat of 105 straight after. Sit back and have a beer or two for about an hour while it cures, then buff off. Easy as!!

Mick

[white lie]

That's what I'd have done but the instruction sheet I got with it all ages ago from CCP says to put the 601 on then a layer of 105. Wait 20-30 and buff off, then repeat the process and apply a second coat of 105 to ensure complete coverage.
I don't expect it to give a deeper finish or even offer much more protection but will do as it says to make sure I don't miss any spots.

[A PSYCHO]

Hi Bryce,

Any quality detail can last up to 12 months, if not longer, if the correct care is taken in between.

Ceramic coats are all the rage at the moment, which i gather this is another of those, they are good but do require a fair bit of work, as you have to get the paint corrected first then usually apply and bake the coating on.

The biggest keys i points i would give u is to follow these steps once you have had it corrected and sealed:
- get a snow foam gun and use it for every wash as it softens any dirt, grit or contaminates on your paint
- rinse the snow foam off then wash with the 2 bucket method
- dry with microfibers, and if possible with a spray wax at the same time to increase lubrication and reduce marring

Hope it helps

Cheers

Maccas

My process down to a tee. p.s. get a big ass cloth for drying!

https://www.carcareproducts.com.au/product/mint/microfibre_drying_towel_waffle_weave_x_large

[QIKMIK]

Wait 20-30 and buff off, then repeat the process and apply a second coat of 105 to ensure complete coverage.I just take my time when I do the first coat, looking back at a million different angles to make sure it looks hazy/wet everywhere. Apply using a same method as polishing with an up/down pass followed by a left/right pass before either product dries.

Has worked well for me so far.

Mick

[white lie]

I just take my time when I do the first coat, looking back at a million different angles to make sure it looks hazy/wet everywhere. Apply using a same method as polishing with an up/down pass followed by a left/right pass before either product dries.

Has worked well for me so far.

Mick
No worries, thanks mate!

[Bryce_G]

Brilliant responses, thanks Maccas and Mik!

I'll probably stick to the detailer since I've never done it before and it's my pride and joy, would be shattered if I stuffed the paint up or something.

Also it's a black car so I almost certainly have no chance of getting away with it, from this companies Facebook page they seem to actually detail black cars pretty well.

[QIKMIK]

If you are interested in learning about detailing, there are courses available near you. Even though they are not a sponsor anymore, I would recommend checking out CarCareProducts. These guys do a basic detailing course every few weeks that will take you through the steps of wash, clay, polish and protect. It will (maybe) change the way you think about polishing by hand. Once you see the toys that are available, your wallet might not forgive you either.

Courses are about $40 and if you catch the bug, they do more intensive course on polishing as well.

Cheers,

Mick

[bozodos]

I run the Duragloss combo on my VZ as well. I've just gotten some of the Duragloss clear coat sealant to chuck over the top.

I've found with regular washing and doing that a couple of times, the claying process has gotten progressively easier as well.

[ADD-75]

So, I visited a few dealers in Brissy over the weekend pricing some cars and asked about all the info/options and was advised there is this new paint protection product by MotorOne called "Protektiv". It creates like a glass coating over the paint and appears to have received a certification from Boeing for "D6-17487 specification". Anyone heard about this product? Figured I would put it to the forum.

Thanks
AD

[white lie]

Haven't heard of it but never been a fan of MotorOne products. A friend gave me a selection of stuff a couple of years ago, wasn't impressed with it, glad I didn't pay for it

[bush_basha]

Hi Bryce,

Any quality detail can last up to 12 months, if not longer, if the correct care is taken in between.

Ceramic coats are all the rage at the moment, which i gather this is another of those, they are good but do require a fair bit of work, as you have to get the paint corrected first then usually apply and bake the coating on.

The biggest keys i points i would give u is to follow these steps once you have had it corrected and sealed:
- get a snow foam gun and use it for every wash as it softens any dirt, grit or contaminates on your paint
- rinse the snow foam off then wash with the 2 bucket method
- dry with microfibers, and if possible with a spray wax at the same time to increase lubrication and reduce marring

Hope it helps

Cheers

Maccas

What snow gun so you use, one that attaches to a hose or a pressure washer?

I notice ccp has one an autobrite or something. Is this one decent quality, or is there something better out there

[Maccas]

Hey Mate,

I have the mint snow foam gun from ccp. Works a treat well worth the investment.

Cheers

Maccas

[mjrandom]

The ccp lance is very good. Make sure you clean it well after use the snow foam can cause corrosion and then you need to strip it completely. Frustrating when the car is sitting outside ready for a bath.

[CLUBRED]

paint protection product by MotorOne

A few cars ago, black one, I won a protection pack so I thought what the hell. These guys did their "coating", I got the car home and couldn't wait to strip if off again.

BTW, from what I understand aerospace paint is not the same as paint used for automotive, so take that with a grain of salt (from experience, as Nanolex could not warrant the use of they're system on our Cessna).

[bush_basha]

Hey Mate,

I have the mint snow foam gun from ccp. Works a treat well worth the investment.

Cheers

Maccas



The ccp lance is very good. Make sure you clean it well after use the snow foam can cause corrosion and then you need to strip it completely. Frustrating when the car is sitting outside ready for a bath.

Which do you use autobrite or mint. Ccp have two and I'm wondering which to get. I'm sure there probably equal to each other there the same price aswell

[QIKMIK]

You may find that the Autobrite and Mint foam lances look remarkably similar. I'll let you figure out why. Make sure you select the right attachment type for your pressure cleaner.

Mick

[bush_basha]

Made in the same place?

[VBhero]

I use the Mint Foam lance with the Mint Snow Foam. I have no complaints here at all.

[msjwood]

Hi all. This thread is a few years old, but is this stuff any good? Does it keep your car cleaner, and is it easier to wash it once you've applied the coating? Does your car look better day to day, or is it a scam? I have a 2007 atomic green SSV 6m ute, and i'm rather averse to washing it every week. Luckily this colour still looks good for a few weeks withouit washing. Tips anyone?
Cheers, Doc

[ADD-75]

G'day mate. I went ahead last year, year before and had my 2016 VF2 GTS applied with OptiCoat. Very glad I did. Mine is white, and even when it is dirty it shines. Bugs don't stick to it and wipe of easy and it's significantly easier to wash.
I was never a fan of polishing my car all the time and this solution has worked well for me as I never have to polish.....ever. I also had my wheels and calipers done so cleaning is easier.
I also had my external glass coated so they too are easier to clean.

[BanPC]

I had my euro car done with Ceramic Coat.. including the rims (as brake dust is a nightmare).... my wash proceadure now is using a bowdens snow cannon and their detergent (because Aussie made/owned) I rinse the car with the kracher...snow cannon...then rinse off. I then fire up my little stihl air blower and blow the water off (the coating is hydraphobic).... then a light buff with a micro fibre cloth. It takes like 15 minutes start to finish and looks like I spent the day clay barring the bastard.... As this type of coating bonds with the clear coat its permanent - ie does not wear out - and I couldn't be happier.

If the panel beater that has had my commy for more than a year finally f&&**^ing finishes it after the new paint de gasses ( i think abour 4-5 months) it will be getting the same treatment for sure...

[Maccas]

Be careful using a petrol air blower as it spits fuel over the car, also no coating is permanent and all coatings will break down over time.

[GPT]

As Macca's said, no coatings are permanent regardless of what the marketing says. My two cents, very happy with the Gyeon Quartz ceramic coating.

[BanPC]

Be careful using a petrol air blower as it spits fuel over the car, also no coating is permanent and all coatings will break down over time.

Ceramic Pro is permanent = requires sanding to remove... http://www.ceramicpromississauga.com/car-paint-protection-coating/

The blower intake and exhaust mechanism is completely seperate from the fuel tank and internal combustion engine that spins said mechanism so I have no idea how it could spit fuel anywhere other than the intake manifold of the engine... i guess yours is different?

[Maccas]

It isnt permanent, yes a lot of coatings require sanding to remove, but they will all break down over time due to ware and tare, think about it water erodes rock, same principles over time it will break down, your fooling yourself if you think it will be that permanent and last forever.

[jc_sv8]

I made the decision when I bought my SV8 to have it coated in something. A dealer option that I got at cost and was reapplied for the first three years (included, so cost me nothing more)
The car gets washed with an enjo glove and a bucket of water. It has never had bubbles on it and never been waxed.
15 years later I would still say it shines. Must have been lucky, being black you would certainly notice!
I've seen others around town with peeling paint and shocking fading.

[BanPC]

It isnt permanent, yes a lot of coatings require sanding to remove, but they will all break down over time due to ware and tare, think about it water erodes rock, same principles over time it will break down, your fooling yourself if you think it will be that permanent and last forever.

When they applied this to the S class it has a 15 year warranty - I doubt Ill still have the car as I don't normally keep them past 4 years - but i know i have four years of the most simplistic cleaning method and retention of a as new shine right up till when i sell it and get the new one...all without spitting petrol on it.

Clear coat is not permanent... the painted surface is not permanent... all painted surfaces have a time limit and are not permanent - but this shit sticks and I doubt you could wash it off with normal use.. but hey you gotta be right so i agree in the strictess definition of the word "permanent" it is not ....there you go ...