New FWD Commodore spotted for importation after local production ends:

[Ausmartin1]

http://www.drive.com.au/content/dam/images/g/m/m/s/2/0/image.gallery.galleryLandscape.620x414.gmmsp5.png/1454646221160.jpg
http://www.drive.com.au/content/dam/images/g/m/m/s/1/x/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gmmqd0.png/1454646227581.jpg

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/next-commodore-spotted-20160205-gmmqd0.html


Can the Insignia which is FWD really be called a Commodore.
Is it just me or will this not work in the Australian market ?
Interesting comments ~ we are in summer and they are testing in Snow :-)

Better they test it under our harsh Aussie UV sunlight as many European plastics turn grey and turn to powder plus we keep our vehicles much longer.

Interesting times while GM fills the void, may take a couple of years before we see any decent product and will it be class leading?

[mechatron]

I can sum that up in one word

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160208/94594e63667f485507c143a7c2b15bd7.jpg

[C4B]

Sure it may be a bucket of puss to drive but it does have a kickass lightbar..... :lmao:

[Devil CV8]

FWD... sorry I have no interest in a FWD anything...................

I would entertain a AWD but no way, no how will I buy a new FWD

[Woodchukka]

Am not liking the look of it at all. Nor am I liking the idea of FWD however we are not the general public. Pretty sure this is not POS_FWD_Bommodore_Wannabe.com so I don't see us liking this at all. As far as I'm concerned a FWD car is not a Commodore. Not one I'll own anyhow. Let the Commodore name go I say. AWD V8 Commodore however....

[Woodchukka]

Sure it may be a bucket of puss to drive but it does have a kickass lightbar..... :lmao:
Hasn't helped Holden see the light though.

[Blown 454 AWD]

Saw this go past my email about a week ago,

There was a TT V6 AWD that was meant to go quite hard

We'll see how they go, pretty big hole to fill.

Nissan appeared to get that little V6 going bloody hard in the 12 hour?

Cheers

Steve

[Micks]

Yes seen one tucked away in the shed behind Suttons Arncliffe yesterday whilst there checking out my new ride. Looks a bit like an Audi, what I hear the V6 turbo is very thirsty & not that quick either.

[Smitty]

http://www.drive.com.au/content/dam/images/g/m/m/s/2/0/image.gallery.galleryLandscape.620x414.gmmsp5.png/1454646221160.jpg
http://www.drive.com.au/content/dam/images/g/m/m/s/1/x/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gmmqd0.png/1454646227581.jpg

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/next-commodore-spotted-20160205-gmmqd0.html

Can the Insignia which is FWD really be called a Commodore.
Is it just me or will this not work in the Australian market ?
Interesting comments ~ we are in summer and they are testing in Snow :-)

Better they test it under our harsh Aussie UV sunlight as many European plastics turn grey and turn to powder plus we keep our vehicles much longer.

Interesting times while GM fills the void, may take a couple of years before we see any decent product and will it be class leading?

.. having just come back from driving the current Insignia around Germany and Belgium (in 4cyl Turbo diesel form), I would suggest that Holden seriously look elsewhere if the Commodore replacement will be based on this.
(the VW Passat I had after it.. was heads and shoulders 200% better than the Insignia)

Totally underwhelmed I was...small (squashy for 3 adults and luggage) with abysmal rear headroom, poor handling (Opel have forgotten Peter Handlingberger's lessons), under powered (the lack of torque was laughable given its a diesel... with a manual trans) its only good points were good fuel economy (reason I chose a diesel version) and good heating/screen clearing/demisting for the snowy conditions (like.. we REALLY need this in Oz)

ps Holden ...don't even think of calling this Commodore.. coz the Opel Insignia is not a worthy successor.

Just remember what GMH had to do with your original offering back in the 70s...


ps... they could ask me to do test driving in the snow :lol:

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[Ausmartin1]

[QUOTE=Smitty;2148236].. having just come back from driving the current Insignia around Germany and Belgium (in 4cyl Turbo diesel form), I would suggest that Holden seriously look elsewhere if the Commodore replacement will be based on this.
(the VW Passat I had after it.. was heads and shoulders 200% better than the Insignia)

Totally underwhelmed I was...small (squashy for 3 adults and luggage) with abysmal rear headroom, poor handling (Opel have forgotten Peter Handlingberger's lessons), under powered (the lack of torque was laughable given its a diesel... with a manual trans) its only good points were good fuel economy (reason I chose a diesel version) and good heating/screen clearing/demisting for the snowy conditions (like.. we REALLY need this in Oz)

ps Holden ...don't even think of calling this Commodore.. coz the Opel Insignia is not a worthy successor.

Just remember what GMH had to do with your original offering back in the 70s...


ps... they could ask me to do test driving in the snow :lol:

Thanks for sharing Smitty, I suspect this as much, Opel Insignia is the New "Appliance" manufacture even out shining even old Toyota. The reason I say old Toyota - is after driving the New Transformer looking 2016 Prius This January in Japan available with optional E-four electric rear drive for snow conditions EVEN TOYOTA has improved massively - while GM Opel are going the other way.

Any people work at Opel who actually enjoy driving cars these days?
This is really the root of the problem which will be imported to us Australians.
GM needs drivers cars, not appliance boxes on wheels.

[Quark]

When these arrive in Australia someone needs to go around and replace their Commodore badges with Avalon ones...

[VXSS346]

How Exciting, Can't wait!!! :rolleyes:

[CLUBRED]

The Falcomry...

[Smitty]

...............

Thanks for sharing Smitty, I suspect this as much, Opel Insignia is the New "Appliance" manufacture even out shining even old Toyota. The reason I say old Toyota - is after driving the New Transformer looking 2016 Prius This January in Japan available with optional E-four electric rear drive for snow conditions EVEN TOYOTA has improved massively - while GM Opel are going the other way.

Any people work at Opel who actually enjoy driving cars these days?
This is really the root of the problem which will be imported to us Australians.
GM needs drivers cars, not appliance boxes on wheels.

unfortunately this same thinking by GM means we will never see the Camaro
(and IMHO not the corvette) we might get a Cadillac but nothing better.

Holden are crowing about 24 new models by 2020... but most look like they
will be market failures if they keep selecting white boxes for Australia

[Ausmartin1]

unfortunately this same thinking by GM means we will never see the Camaro
(and IMHO not the corvette) we might get a Cadillac but nothing better.

Holden are crowing about 24 new models by 2020... but most look like they
will be market failures if they keep selecting white boxes for Australia

Yes I suspect as such as do the local Holden dealers do... many are down sizing or selling the piece of land to Aldi !
Ford network is in the same boat.

Of the 24 New models, they better get a high percentage of those in as class leaders .... but I suspect it will be more me too product in a
very fragmented market that will drive up spares costs / over heads and parts support once the legal requirement is met.
It is going to get ugly - especially with the retarded GM LHD only model policy such as the Camaro.
Did they not learn anything from their partnership with Toyota at NUMMI with TPS ? The gods of lean production / flexibility with variety for all world markets.
The mind boggles.

[Smitty]

Yes I suspect as such as do the local Holden dealers do... many are down sizing or selling the piece of land to Aldi !
...........................

or in one case that I know of... they have bought a nearby Mitsubishi dealer and then shortly after a Hyundai dealer
(having got a Kia franchise a couple of years ago)

[black_friday]

Yes I suspect as such as do the local Holden dealers do... many are down sizing or selling the piece of land to Aldi !
Ford network is in the same boat.

Of the 24 New models, they better get a high percentage of those in as class leaders .... but I suspect it will be more me too product in a
very fragmented market that will drive up spares costs / over heads and parts support once the legal requirement is met.
It is going to get ugly - especially with the retarded GM LHD only model policy such as the Camaro.
Did they not learn anything from their partnership with Toyota at NUMMI with TPS ? The gods of lean production / flexibility with variety for all world markets.
The mind boggles.

Care to elaborate on the LEAN comment? Reason I ask is its being implemented where I work and I honestly dont think anyone actually knows what it is...certainly not the workers anyway. We're the mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed bullshit!

[Jag530G]

Doesn't matter that much. What's more important is how good the replacement for the Captiva is. That's the real family car replacement for the Commodore, as would be a much better Colorado crew cab ute. If Holden can lay their hands on much better next gen Captiva, Trax, Cruze/Astra, Colorado crew cab, Colorado 7 they will do very well. Medium/Large Sedans are dying, I see Fiat Chrysler is basically giving up on them in America. Consumers want SUVs.

Cheers, Matthew

[Ausmartin1]

Care to elaborate on the LEAN comment? Reason I ask is its being implemented where I work and I honestly dont think anyone actually knows what it is...certainly not the workers anyway. We're the mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed bullshit!

"Lean production is an assembly-line methodology developed originally for Toyota and the manufacturing of automobiles. It is also known as the Toyota Production System or just-in-time production. Lean production principles are also referred to as lean management or lean thinking"


In other words building of small batches when you actually need them combined with being able to change production quickly (respond to the customers actual demands) it is how Japan conquered the World at one time with tiny factories vs Americas massive plants that were both inefficient and unable to cope with variation in product. The customers always want variety.

Lean is nothing to fear, but many attempts at lean aren't the real deal.

Lets hope they do your place right and involve the workers (It has to be everyone).

[Smitty]

Doesn't matter that much. What's more important is how good the replacement for the Captiva is. That's the real family car replacement for the Commodore, as would be a much better Colorado crew cab ute. If Holden can lay their hands on much better next gen Captiva, Trax, Cruze/Astra, Colorado crew cab, Colorado 7 they will do very well. Medium/Large Sedans are dying, I see Fiat Chrysler is basically giving up on them in America. Consumers want SUVs.

Cheers, Matthew

the new Cruze is out in the USA...
http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2016/1BS69/1BS69__1SF/GAN_H2X_RSCgmds6.jpg&v=deg01&std=true&country=US

as is the Astra in Europe
http://preview.netcarshow.com/Opel-Astra-2016-hd.jpg

the question here is.. which one? (as I think they would cannabalize each others sales)

the other models??? does anyone know/heard of a Craptiva replacement? Is it as simple as...
what Chevrolet have just shown for their 2017 Captiva?

http://msrpandprices.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2017-Chevrolet-Captiva-6.jpg

[Jag530G]

I think the intention is to bring both the Cruze and Astra, differnet stories I've read mention Cruze sedans and Astra Hatches or Cruze as cheap/Astra as higher spec models. I have read the Astra K is lighter and a touch smaller than the current Astra J. The new Cruze looks quite smart.

Cheers, Matthew