2017 VFII Commodores Final Editions

[jaykay]

Here they come..the Director, Motorsport and Commemorative editions due next year

Come late 2017, Holden manufacturing will fall silent for good, as the 2017 Holden VF Commodore Series II officially exits production. However, Holden has a few things up its sleeve to send the Aussie motoring icon out on a high note, as we have learned the 2017 VF Series II will feature not one, not two but three special editions to end local production.
The special editions will include a new Director edition, Motorsport edition and Commemorative edition.

Commodore Director Edition
The Director will revive a controversial nameplate from Holden and Holden Dealer Team’s past, most associated with the late, great Peter Brock. As for the vehicle itself, it is expected to feature “Director” spelled across the decklid and feature more luxurious appointments. Silver Brembo brakes, heated and cooled seats, Magnetic Ride Control and unique 20-inch wheels with a red band running around the diameter are said to be planned.

Commodore Motorsport Edition
The Motorsport edition is said to be what replaced what we once knew as the Bathurst edition. This special edition will feature slotted brake discs, heated and cooled memory seats, Magnetic Ride Control and a standard blackout package.

Commodore Commemorative Edition
Finally, the Commodore Commemorative edition will feature dozens of special attributes to create a unique, final send off edition for the VF Series II. This vehicle is still being held closely, and we do not know exactly what will be present design wise.

A select few new colors will join the VF Series II range, but no changes in engine output or overall engineering are planned. Furthermore, regular Commodore sport models will receive the blackout package standard, with chrome trim becoming a no-cost option.

The 2017 VF Commodore Series II will become available in February of 2017 after the 2016 model year wraps up in January of 2017.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/09/we-hear-2017-holden-vf-commodore-series-ii-features-director-motorsport-and-commemorative-editions/#ixzz4KXZFs6Kn

[Micks]

Thank fuk no LSA or performance increase :nono::D:idea::rolleyes:

[jaykay]

Some information from another site......

MY17 SV6
Nav and HUD, 18 inch wheels from Black edition.

MY17 SS
Nav and HUD, 19 inch wheels from SSV.

MY17 SS-V Redline
Black Grille surrounds etc (black out pack)
Black lip spoiler
Black sports bar (ute only)
New sill plates
Jade black applique on steering wheel/dash

MY17 Calais
Nav

MY17 Calais V
New wheel finish 19"
Black interior
Electrochomatic interior rear mirror
New sill plates
Calais Lettering on rear doors
SSV Redline steering wheel with perforations

MY17 Caprice-V
SSV Redline steering wheel with perforations

Discontinuations:
SV6 Manual (all body styles)
SSV (all body styles)
Calais Wagon
Beige trim on Calais V Sedan

3 new colours
Spitfire Green
Son of a Gun Grey
Light my Fire Orange

There are a number of price increases across the board, some substantial.

So existing colour which carryover from MY16:

Heron White
Red Hot
Regal Green
Slipstream Blue
Nitrate Silver
Phantom Black

New Colours for MY17:
Spitfire Green (Redline only)
Light my Fire Orange (Sports models only)
Son of a Gun Grey

Deleted colours, therefore:
Prussian Steel
Some Like it Hot Red
Jungle Green

[jaykay]

In regards to ordering:

Each dealer has an allocation and that's final. All the dealer can pick from is colours and options, which must be set either by lock-in date on earlier builds or by the 24th of April for all builds later in the year. There will be no customer orders. If the dealer can't supply you a car from what they've been allocated, they need to then try and swap with another dealer, which is going to be hard work, because dealers are going to treat these like their babies.

Price rises:
SEDANS/WAGON
SV6 + $1,000
SS + $2,500
Redline + $500
Calais + $1,250
Calais V + $760
Caprice V + $500
UTE
SV6 + $1,000
SS + $2,500
Redline + $1,500

These are RRP increases.

[Micks]

As mentioned by my rep earlier this year no performance increases as expected.

[Smashfist]

With all that said and done I'm happy with my MY14 SS storm ute. It owes me less than a MY17 redline and really only is missing passive entry/start and the HUD, only one of which I'd like to have, and is shitloads quicker/sounds better to boot. Thought about the upgrade but with the price increases since I've bought mine even if mine didn't have mods it wouldn't be worth it.

[A PSYCHO]

How do they justify the Redline Ute jumping in price more than the sedan? The ute already gets ripped off by not getting the sunroof or DVD screens....

[white lie]

How do they justify the Redline Ute jumping in price more than the sedan? The ute already gets ripped off by not getting the sunroof or DVD screens....
Because it gets a black sports bar lol

[Smitty]

In regards to ordering:

Each dealer has an allocation and that's final. All the dealer can pick from is colours and options, which must be set either by lock-in date on earlier builds or by the 24th of April for all builds later in the year. There will be no customer orders. If the dealer can't supply you a car from what they've been allocated, they need to then try and swap with another dealer, which is going to be hard work, because dealers are going to treat these like their babies.
..............

not strictly correct
at this stage that only applies to Redline and V (any models)...

Holden will take your order for say a SV6 or EVOKE and build it.. but ONLY to a firm order
as I found out yesterday when I queried both Holden Fleet sales Management and a couple of the dealers I buy our company cars thru
(as I will be buying EVOKES and SV6s in 2017 to renew part of the fleet)

Holden did say that supply will 'tighten' in the 2nd quarter of 2017 ... and hinted NO orders will be taken after June 30 FOR ANYTHING
(that is not unexpected if they want an orderly windup to manufacturing)

[jaykay]

Because it gets a black sports bar lol

:lmao: :lmao: seems legit

[A PSYCHO]

Because it gets a black sports bar lol

haha well im sold then!

[mjrandom]

Be more believable if it was black sports bra...

[CALDIR]

How do they justify the Redline Ute jumping in price more than the sedan? The ute already gets ripped off by not getting the sunroof or DVD screens....

Hi

Holden are probably charging customers extra for the Redline ute over the sedan because it has more head room inside due to having no sunroof!

Regards,

GTSRVF

[Micks]

With all that said and done I'm happy with my MY14 SS storm ute. It owes me less than a MY17 redline and really only is missing passive entry/start and the HUD, only one of which I'd like to have, and is shitloads quicker/sounds better to boot. Thought about the upgrade but with the price increases since I've bought mine even if mine didn't have mods it wouldn't be worth it.

That's exactly what a mate of mine mentioned after buying an early My15 SSV ute & doing mods, hard to justify trading in on a new SSV for the extra .2!! :lmao:

[Smashfist]

That's exactly what a mate of mine mentioned after buying an early My15 SSV ute & doing mods, hard to justify trading in on a new SSV for the extra .2!! :lmao:

The only thing I'm a bit sad about is that Some Like it Hot is an unreal colour and came out for MY15 about a month after I bought my MY14. But I'm not unhappy with the peacock and at the time I got very, very good pricing for an MY14 on runout with an employee discount.

[VL Executive]

So, what if you don't want their Sports bar, or Blackout package on the Redline Ute? Tough luck I spose?

[jaykay]

I believe that Holden will be announcing the final models and information on the 16th of January....

[CALDIR]

I believe that Holden will be announcing the final models and information on the 16th of January....

Hi

I was told the 19th of January, I much prefer the 16th!

Regards,

GTSRVF

[jaykay]

Hi

I was told the 19th of January, I much prefer the 16th!

Regards,

GTSRVF

Wonder how long until HSV release their information....especially the W1 Richard :yup:

[white lie]

A touch over 9 months left it seems...

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/1701/holden-confirms-final-day-for-manufacturing

[CALDIR]

Hmm

I wonder if the Holden Commodore that is built in Oct 2017 will be classed as a 2017 MY18?, as my current ute is built in Oct 2015 but classed as an MY16.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[jaykay]

Hmm

I wonder if the Holden Commodore that is built in Oct 2017 will be classed as a 2017 MY18?, as my current ute is built in Oct 2015 but classed as an MY16.

Regards,

GTSRVF

Maybe MY17.5 :idea:

[jaykay]

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[CALDIR]

Hi

Are the above pictures HSV's? or the special edtion SSV Redline and Magnum ute?

Regards,

GTSRVF

[white lie]

Hi

Are the above pictures HSV's? or the special edtion SSV Redline and Magnum ute?

Regards,

GTSRVF
The HSV numberplates would indicate HSV's to me

[Smitty]

The HSV numberplates would indicate HSV's to me

.. as would styling hints (like sills etc)

[disorganise]

Saloon lights are HSV (remember them saying on the tour they're designed to not fit the Commodore)

[VL Executive]

2017 cars have been revealed on Holden's Build and price website

[Smitty]

.. Motorsport edition officially announced today


https://www.holden.com.au/cars/commodore/limited-edition/MotorSport%20Edition?utm_medium=edm&utm_campaign=Commodore-Special-Edition--MotorSport&utm_source=Holden_news_subscribers&utm_content=cta-show_me_more&utm_term=2017_Jan

[jaykay]

"Motorsport"
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"Director"
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"Magnum"
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Seats look nice.....
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[CLUBRED]

Anyone got decent pics of the Director interior?

[Dickie Knee]

They can't be making many of these. Eagers are advertising that they will only have 13 available


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[jaykay]

Anyone got decent pics of the Director interior?

Director

The Director collects the following extras on top of the Calais V V8:

20-inch black forged alloy wheels
FE3 sports suspension
Magnetic Ride Control suspension
Brembo brakes
Cross-drilled rotors front and rear
Premium sports seats (based on the Chevrolet SS) - So looks like the same as the Motorsport edition
Phantom black roof
Gurney style lip spoiler
Tyre pressure monitoring system
Hood vents
Black body side moulding
Engine oil cooler
Director badging
Embroidered IP insert
Black grille with LS3 logo
Red lower grille surround
Red decal on rear fascia
Motorsport floor mats
Individually-numbered build plate
Let’s address the elephant in the room first – the name. Director was a controversial name choice given Holden’s murky history at times with Peter Brock. With that in mind, Holden did approach the Brock family to seek permission to use the name and they happily obliged. They felt it was the right name to use for the car.

In terms of performance and equipment, the Director picks up the same performance mods as the Motorsport, sans the high rate subframe bush, which is exclusive to the Motorsport.

That means it gets the Brembo brake package, functional hood vents, Magnetic Ride Control, paddle-shifters on the steering wheel and the driver mode control system.

[jaykay]

They can't be making many of these. Eagers are advertising that they will only have 13 available


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1200 - Motorsport

360 - Director

240 - Magnum

The 2017 Holden Commodore Motorsport will sit in a sedan body modelled on the SS-V Redline. The Director will also be a sedan, but modelled off the Calais V. The final special edition will be the Magnum, which was designed to offer performance above and beyond the SS-V Redline ute.

Kicking off the price range will be the Magnum, starting from $59,290 (plus on-road costs) for the six-speed manual, with the six-speed automatic an extra $2200. That’s a $8300 premium over the SS-V Redline ute.

Next up is the Motorsport, which is priced from $61,790 (plus on-road costs) for the six-speed manual, and an extra $2200 for the six-speed automatic. That’s a $7300 premium over the SS-V Redline manual.

Finally, the Director will only be available with a six-speed automatic and is priced from $63,940 (plus on-road costs), which is $8000 above the Calais V V8.

Limited is exactly what all three will be, with only 1200 Motorsports being produced (with an additional 151 for New Zealand – a nod to Greg Murphy’s car number and the grade of wool used on the floor (just kidding))

[CALDIR]

Hi all

Am I right in thinking that the Motorsport edition Redline sedan and Calais Director get the same set of Brembo brakes and these Brembo brakes are better than the existing Brembo brakes that the SSV Redline sedan currently been offered at Holden, including cross drilling which is not supplied on the standard SSV Redline?

Does the Calais Director have the Bi-modal exhaust?

I hppe the Calais Director doesn't have the silly white stripe on the seats that the normal Calais has.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[Smitty]

.. give up
site won't quote previous :(

[CALDIR]

Hi all

Would really appreciate a photo of the Redline Motorsport edition in Son of a Gun color and any pics of the Calais Director interior.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[korrupt]

1200 - Motorsport

360 - Director

240 - Magnum

Those numbers apparently include cars that are only available to Holden employees. Public get 1000 Motorsports, 300 Directors and 200 Magums

[Smitty]

Hi all

Would really appreciate a photo of the Redline Motorsport edition in Son of a Gun color and any pics of the Calais Director interior.

Regards,

GTSRVF

go to the Holden site for the Grey Colour (you can choose any paint colour and see what it looks like) but this might help :)

https://www.holden.com.au/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1237533517098&ssbinary=true&site=Holden.com.au

and
there appears to be no complete interior pics anywhere (those I have seen show both the white and black door cards and dash pads... from outside)

by the way... Holden are calling it Commodore Director not Calais Director

[CALDIR]

go to the Holden site for the Grey Colour

Hi Smitty

Thanks for your reply. Yes I have seen that picture you have posted. I am really trying to see the Motorsport Redline in son of a gun to determine if it looks as bad as the white and red versions due to the horrible choice of stickers that Holden put on the cars.

I tried to secure a Director today and I am getting told that they are sold out, WTF?...it just got released today and I was also told the price is fixed at $76,990 for the Redline Motorsport.

I was then told that I can choose a Motorsport Redline in any color I want, I said great send me a pic of it in son of a gun and they tell me they don't have any pics and if I wait till June 2017 to see one chances are they will have all been sold off.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[white lie]

I tried to secure a Director today and I am getting told that they are sold out, WTF?

Officially released today, info first came out on them around 9-10 months ago so there's been a lot of time for people to get deposits in...

[Micks]

Doesn't appear to be anything in the Wags department? The director & the magnum are very tempting :drool:

[HOTSV8]

Just got quoted 72k on road for manual motorsport . add 2k for auto . Think i will go LSA club sport for that amount .

[CLUBRED]

Doesn't appear to be anything in the Wags department? The director & the magnum are very tempting :drool:

I've heard rumours the wagon production will end early.

[CALDIR]

Just got quoted 72k on road for manual motorsport . add 2k for auto . Think i will go LSA club sport for that amount .

Hi

What state was that in?

Regards,

GTSRVF

[HOTSV8]

QLD dealer but I'm in NSW . It's where i usually buy from so he knows its for nsw rego . Said they had sold 4 motorsports and a magnum today . I'm going to assume unless you order in the next few days they will be all gone from most dealers . Was basically told thats the price and people are paying its so no discounts . Said thanks but i'll get something else .

[CALDIR]

Hi

I am in the process of calling all Vic Holden dealers today to secure a Calais Director, I am about half way through and it isn't looking good at all.

Most dealers tell me they were only allocated 1 Calais Director and they had huge demand on them, but yes they all seem to have Motorsport edtion Redlines available but I am not prepared to commit to buying one without seeing a photo of it in Son of a Gun Grey.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[Dickie Knee]

Unless you are busting to own one of these new. I would wait a year or two and get a 2nd hand one. Car is overpriced at release

[CALDIR]

wait a year or two and get a 2nd hand one.

Hi

I think you might be right, I have spoken to so many dealers today and still calling and I think I will stop and just look for a good used model in a year or two.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[Dickie Knee]

I think these cars will be like the W427. Price was high at release but soon dropped after all the hype went.

[white lie]

I think these cars will be like the W427. Price was high at release but soon dropped after all the hype went.
Could also be like the Sprint or Mustang. High at release and climbed due to demand

[amckiwi]

There will be demand for these second hand as well, especially as there will not be another second hand supply just around the corner
I think depreciation rates on V8 holdens will reduce when supply dries up

[Smitty]

I've heard rumours the wagon production will end early.

.. it is NOT a rumour
Wagon production (all models inc HSV Tourer) will cease end of June

[VL Executive]

Heard anything about the Utes, Smitty?

[BLACKVE]

Ferntree holden in Melbourne has 12 motorsports available.

Personally not my cup of tea and reports of some dealers charging $5000 dealer delivery.

[BLACKVE]

I think these cars will be like the W427. Price was high at release but soon dropped after all the hype went.

Remember the Cobra aswell.

I think the GT-F will be one to hold value in future years and even the F6.

Holden is common so can really see these holding value

[Smitty]

Heard anything about the Utes, Smitty?

... no
I have asked a number of Holden sales (not dealer sales) staff about this (as I have 3 coy utes that come up for changeover July-August)
and even though they were the ones who gave me the wagon info, there was a shrug of the shoulders re the ute

[CLUBRED]

MY17 updates are now up, no SSV? I can only see SS and SSV redline.

[jaykay]

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/holden-streamlines-2017-commodore-ss-range

Buyers of the Holden Commodore SS will now score more equipment but for a higher price as fresh MY17 updates go to market in this final year of VF Series II production.
Although the $60K-plus limited edition Magnum ute, Motorsport sedan and Calais-based Director limited editions have stolen the limelight this week, Holden quietly slipped in other changes to the Commodore lineup that results in a 6.2-litre V8 LS3-model price hike.
The Commodore SS is now $2500 more expensive than before, starting from $47,490 plus on-road costs with either six-speed manual or automatic transmission. It does, however, usurp the previously-$48,490 Commodore SS-V, adding its 19-inch alloy wheels, head-up display and satellite navigation – but not leather trim, chrome beltline, and clear tail-lights.
Holden SS-V RedlineIt leaves a more sizeable gap to the Commodore SS V Redline, which also rises $500 to $54,990 plus on-roads in manual or auto. It now gets black mirror caps, grille and daytime running lights surrounds, and a unique colour Spitfire Green (pictured) unavailable in SS and other model grades and which replaces Jungle Green.
Some Like It Red Hot – a deeper red than the carry-over sports-and-Evoke-only Red Hot – is replaced by a bright orange called Light My Fire in both Commodore SV6 (pictured below), SS and SS-V Redline, as is Prussian Steel Grey by a new Son of a Gun Grey metallic (SS pictured above) across the range.
Regal Peacock Green is no longer available in the SV6 or SS, but is retained for Calais and Calais V – both of which also drop the Empire Bronze metallic colour. Heron White, Nitrate Silver, Slipstream Blue and Phantom Black continue in every VF Series II model grade.
Holden SV6The Commodore SV6 also rises $1000 to $40,490 plus on-roads, now with black alloy wheels from the previous Black Edition, head-up display and sat-nav standard for the first time. But as we reported last year, production of the six-speed manual has ended.
There is no change to the price of the base, fleet-spec Commodore Evoke or its 3.0-litre V6, but the Calais sedan rises by $1250 to $42,540 plus on-roads and the Calais Sportwagon is the only other model grade (joining SS-V Redline) to have been ditched from the range.
It leaves the Calais V as a $48,750 V6-engined and $56,750 V8-engined flagship duo, each $760 costlier than before.
The MY17 Commodore changes will see out the locally built range when production in Elizabeth, South Australia, ends on October 20 this year.

[jaykay]

4798 here you go Richard...Son of a Gun


Hi all

Would really appreciate a photo of the Redline Motorsport edition in Son of a Gun color and any pics of the Calais Director interior.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[white lie]

That's just the SS in Son of a Gun. The Motorsport Edition will have the naff red trim all over the place...I read the mirrors can be done black but don't think the others can be

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/752beb5741b7080f5f7f17f3bcce64eb.jpg

I would say the Director is Son of a Gun to give some indication but I don't think they've rolled them out to dealers for more pictures to be available yet?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/11ea60e654196a594ee95c3bf5aac094.jpg

[Phizzle]

New colours on Holden website now. Spitfire green is very loud. Son of a gun looks awesome with the red brembos for contrast

[jc_sv8]

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz318/jcraigau/VF2-SonOfAgun_zpsnajoayrp.jpg

Son of a gun looks good.

[crisis]

I expected a bit more from these final run out editions. Stripes and chrome don't really justify the premiums. In fact the stripes don't do it for me anyway. That said Ill have mine in red with the rear spoiler thanks. :-)

[csv rulz]

I expected a bit more from these final run out editions. Stripes and chrome don't really justify the premiums. In fact the stripes don't do it for me anyway. That said Ill have mine in red with the rear spoiler thanks. :-)
They also have MRC and uprated brakes.

[SASLS1]

I'm totally negative on these last 3 limited editions, they do Completely Nothing!!! for me.....

Sure they look good...

But..... Stickers, Trim tweaks, Suspension tweaks & (MRC only on sedan, FE3 only on ute ), Brake tweaks, some Forged Wheels, couple of extra Coolers, Commemorative Presention Case etc....

Woop Dee Doo.... Boring...

No engine performance upgrade what so ever....

They'll be total forgotten about in no time, just another VF.... nothing special about them at all IMO...



I'll keep waiting for the new Holden "V8 Sport Car" to be released once VF production is drawn to a close...

[mac06]

They may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they're selling like hotcakes (sounds like I'm trying to copy the honeybadger :hide:) They're different, limited and soon to be no more. If anyone wants the last part of Australian motoring history, then get in quick.

[Micks]

I expected a bit more from these final run out editions. Stripes and chrome don't really justify the premiums. In fact the stripes don't do it for me anyway. That said Ill have mine in red with the rear spoiler thanks. :-)

I was told over 12 months ago there would be no performance increases over the first My16 models. So yes brakes, colours & badging it is!

[crisis]

I'm totally negative on these last 3 limited editions, they do Completely Nothing!!! for me.....

Sure they look good...

But..... Stickers, Trim tweaks, Suspension tweaks & (MRC only on sedan, FE3 only on ute ), Brake tweaks, some Forged Wheels, couple of extra Coolers, Commemorative Presention Case etc....

Woop Dee Doo.... Boring...

No engine performance upgrade what so ever....

They'll be total forgotten about in no time, just another VF.... nothing special about them at all IMO...



I'll keep waiting for the new Holden "V8 Sport Car" to be released once VF production is drawn to a close...
They will be ridiculously collectible but of course you will still bleed depreciation for about 15 years. Not going to be a good "investment" but they will be desirable.

[SASLS1]

They will be ridiculously collectible but of course you will still bleed depreciation for about 15 years. Not going to be a good "investment" but they will be desirable.


Life is too short, Period.... To buy a car and put it on blocks and wait for it to Magically go up in value, and get "ZERO" Enjoyment Factor out of it, and not drive it... What's the Point...

15 years you say... Keep Dreaming............ HQ GTS Monaro Coupe's (253's / 308's) were still really cheap at 25 years old like only $6K to $8K, and didn't start to really go up in value till 30+ years old.

Now there pulling big numbers @ (43 to 46) years old....


"ridiculously collectible"..... That's just a Totally Hollow Subjective Opinion... Not a Fact......

It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...


As I said, they sure looks good... But a VF with some added Fluff, and Standard Power Train (should be #1 priority in upgrade department, not added Fluff), Simply Isn't Enough IMO...

They don't tick any of my boxes...


People can spend "Their Money", however they wish...

[Goggles]

I was told over 12 months ago there would be no performance increases over the first My16 models. So yes brakes, colours & badging it is!

sadly Holden has had a tradition of not changing the power of its V8 engines over time.

[white lie]

I was told over 12 months ago there would be no performance increases over the first My16 models. So yes brakes, colours & badging it is!


sadly Holden has had a tradition of not changing the power of its V8 engines over time.
I thought it was more to do with the engines not meeting the new emissions in the higher output. Hence HSV were forced to go all LSA from October 31 2016.

[white lie]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170130/59af8b11bbbca0c3225f5fe71ae7a436.jpg

Hopefully some interesting news coming soon!

[V8LOAD]

from HSV, it's $170,000 .... packs 474 kW from the Corvette LS9.... 295 made. ALL SOLD OUT.

Read all about it in five hours.

[jaykay]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/lincoln9/E9DDB92C-2CD5-47E2-B5FA-EE181C3BF7A5_zpsweoojksb.jpg~original (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/lincoln9/media/E9DDB92C-2CD5-47E2-B5FA-EE181C3BF7A5_zpsweoojksb.jpg.html)

suspect GTSR......big brakes and wheels

[jaykay]

GTSR sedan and Maloo...

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/hsv-gtsr-revealed

GTSR W1 sedan...

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/hsv-gtsr-w1-revealed

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[SASLS1]

GTSR Sedan...

http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2-2017/see/GTSR/#specifications (http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2-2017/see/GTSR/#specifications)

GTSR Maloo...

http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2-2017/see/GTSR-Maloo/ (http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2-2017/see/GTSR-Maloo/)

GTSR W1...

http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2-2017/see/GTSR-W1/ (http://www.hsv.com.au/GEN-F2-2017/see/GTSR-W1/)

[SASLS1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKt3HINp6fE

[Micks]

That LS9 looks very sexy in there! :drool::thumbsup:

[jaykay]

0 - 100 in 4.1/4.2 seconds and a low 12 1/4.....,:hmmm:

[white lie]

I don't think the straight line specs represent what this car is. Everyone is saying its overpriced for the power/times or whatever. It's built to go round a track, not just down one.

[wk2211]

Everyone will have a different perspective on what a Special Edition would be - the SSV Redline Reserve Edition is a bit of a different deal for me. You can only get one by permanent employees working at the Holden factory from 11DEC13. So that would have sentiment attached and some unique elements - it'd be interesting to know how many of those there are...

I did digress slightly but thinking about the HSV models they appear (to me at least) to be a level above what is currently offered and I am sure that a HSV fan would be proud to own one if they were one of the lucky few who knew about them.

Those Holden special editions look cheapened to me like the old Equip upgrade for the VR/VS where you got a sticker, power windows, cruise control and some alloys from the previous model S pack thrown in. Then again how much can be done on a production line? The HSVs have more room to be modified IMHO after coming from Elizabeth.

I think these HSVs will turn heads - they do where I live even with the base models of the VF. One thing I love about VF HSVs is that they successfully toned down the plastic from the E series.

[SASLS1]

The biggest killer is weight...

The VF GTSR W1 is ~ 400kg heavier than the original ZR1 LS9....

Grab yourself 2 (44 IMP / 55 US) Gallon drums (200 liters), fill the "Two" drums full of water, and chuck them into your car, and see what that does to the performance of it......

The C6 Z06 LS7 Corvette was only 1419kg.... ~ 500kg / Half a Ton lighter than the VF GTSR W1...


The 3 Holden Limited Edition Sticker packs, are now Completely Insignificant..... Move on Nothing to see here......

[Maccas]

Honestly who gives 2 flying f#$Ks about straight line speed, they have run it around a few of the big tracks our country has and the W1 is 3 secs quicker than a C63S around winton, and the only car that was quicker was an AMG GT by 0.5 secs, and thats a 300k car!!

So lets take our hats off to HSV and cheer them on for doing what we have all wanted and known they could do by taking it up to the big boys!!

[mjrandom]

Honestly who gives 2 flying f#$Ks about straight line speed, they have run it around a few of the big tracks our country has and the W1 is 3 secs quicker than a C63S around winton, and the only car that was quicker was an AMG GT by 0.5 secs, and thats a 300k car!!

So lets take our hats off to HSV and cheer them on for doing what we have all wanted and known they could do by taking it up to the big boys!!

Bit curious about the numbers you are talking about. The only time I can find for a C63S is 1.36.3. Is that what you are comparing against?

[Wonky]

It's still a heavy bunt - suspect its forte won't just be straight line.

[Micks]

Has anyone on the blue screen got a deposit down on one perhaps?

[Jag530G]

I doubt the 0-100 acceleration times will be better than a current GTS:

W1 Gear Ratios: 2.29, 1.61, 1.21, 1, 0.82, 0.68
GTS Gear Ratios: 2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1, 0.80, 0.62
W1 taller by 16.0%, 10.6%, 7.4%, 0%, -2.5%, -8.8%

W1 Torque = 815Nm, GTS Torque 740Nm, W1 has 10% more torque.

If we assume the W1 has 10% more torque through the entire rev range then we get:
+10% + -16.0% = -6.0% less rear axle torque in first
+10% + -10.6% = -0.6% less rear axle torque in second
+10% + -7.4% = +2.6% more rear axle torque in third
+10% + 0% = +10.0% more rear axle torque in forth
+10% + +2.5% = +12.5% more rear axle torque in fifth
+10% + +8.8% = +18.8% more rear axle torque in sixth
Considering 2nd gear tops out just above 100kph, the W1 could possibly be slower to 100kph than the GTS but be much better above 100kph, I dare say the 400m time for the W1 should be better than the GTS.

Cheers, Matthew

[Maccas]

Bit curious about the numbers you are talking about. The only time I can find for a C63S is 1.36.3. Is that what you are comparing against?

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/how-quick-is-the-hsv-gtsr-w1

Read it here

[mjrandom]

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/1701/how-quick-is-the-hsv-gtsr-w1

Read it here

Thanks. Same time as I saw. As usual times vary with conditions etc. wonder how much of that is the Trofeo R?

[Maccas]

Luff reckons a good half a second but the suspension must be pretty damn good too

[white lie]

I doubt the 0-100 acceleration times will be better than a current GTS:

W1 Gear Ratios: 2.29, 1.61, 1.21, 1, 0.82, 0.68
GTS Gear Ratios: 2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1, 0.80, 0.62
W1 taller by 16.0%, 10.6%, 7.4%, 0%, -2.5%, -8.8%

W1 Torque = 815Nm, GTS Torque 740Nm, W1 has 10% more torque.

If we assume the W1 has 10% more torque through the entire rev range then we get:
+10% + -16.0% = -6.0% less rear axle torque in first
+10% + -10.6% = -0.6% less rear axle torque in second
+10% + -7.4% = +2.6% more rear axle torque in third
+10% + 0% = +10.0% more rear axle torque in forth
+10% + +2.5% = +12.5% more rear axle torque in fifth
+10% + +8.8% = +18.8% more rear axle torque in sixth
Considering 2nd gear tops out just above 100kph, the W1 could possibly be slower to 100kph than the GTS but be much better above 100kph, I dare say the 400m time for the W1 should be better than the GTS.

Cheers, Matthew

Diff ratio and tyre size are both different on the GTS vs GTSR W1. I believe the W1 gets a 3.73:1? So the torque on the road will be different...

The W1 should pull about 135 or so km/h in 2nd going off what the ZR1 Corvette could manage (145km/h) and the different tyre size, diff ratio taken in to account.

[Jag530G]

Diff ratio and tyre size are both different on the GTS vs GTSR W1. I believe the W1 gets a 3.73:1? So the torque on the road will be different...

The W1 should pull about 135 or so km/h in 2nd going off what the ZR1 Corvette could manage (145km/h) and the different tyre size, diff ratio taken in to account.

Both GTS and W1 use the 3.73 ratio diff so no difference there. Rear Tyres are 275x35 on the GTS and 295x30 on the W1, doubt that is much different. In the end the W1 is about track work not drag racing and the high first gear will be much more useful for this purpose.

Cheers, Matthew

[white lie]

Both GTS and W1 use the 3.73 ratio diff so no difference there. Rear Tyres are 275x35 on the GTS and 295x30 on the W1, doubt that is much different. In the end the W1 is about track work not drag racing and the high first gear will be much more useful for this purpose.

Cheers, Matthew
Ah yes, I was thinking auto, my bad

[Jag530G]

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/reviews/1701/2017-hsv-gtsr-and-gtsr-w1-review

Wheels mag reckons first gear gets to 98.5kph. Tweek the redline fuel cut out and it could just make 100kph without a gear change.

[white lie]

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/reviews/1701/2017-hsv-gtsr-and-gtsr-w1-review

Wheels mag reckons first gear gets to 98.5kph. Tweek the redline fuel cut out and it could just make 100kph without a gear change.
Yes, it wouldn't take much to get there. The 'Vette does 66 or there abouts

[Jag530G]

Evidence of how close the ratios Inn the gear box are can be seen by the fall in revs when changing up at the 6600 redline.

Into 2nd revs drop to 4640rpm
Into 3rd revs drop to 4960rpm
Into 4th revs drop to 5450rpm
Into 5th revs drop to 5410rpm
Into 6th revs drop to 5470rpm

Maximum torque is at 3900rpm so you are never falling in a hole changing gears with this car.

[Smitty]

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/reviews/1701/2017-hsv-gtsr-and-gtsr-w1-review

Wheels mag reckons first gear gets to 98.5kph. Tweek the redline fuel cut out and it could just make 100kph without a gear change.

haha... how things have improved in the past 40 years
The first 'performance' Commodore... the 308 VB SL/E in manual (M21 box) form could, with the standard gearing, do 110kmh in 1st gear ( I had one as a GMH company car)
mind you... it took a LONG time to get there (which is why many were ordered with the optional low ratio HD diff) :woot:

[Jag530G]

Similar story with my old VH SLE. 5L trimatic with the 2.60 diff ratio, good for over 100kph before changing into 2nd. I know of an HK rally car that had a 327, Powerglide and 2.60 diff that was good for 140kph in first.

Cheers, Matthew

[SASLS1]

These are my Calculated Max Speeds in each gear, @ Max RPM taking..... Everything Into Consideration 100%... Zero Guessing...

Note..... These are the Calculated Figures only... in the perfect world with zero loses in the gear train, or any tyre slip on the road, no drag, and unlimited power...


GTSR

Tyre circumference of 275/35 R20 tyre... 2.20068 meters

Max RPM 6200

Diff ratio 3.73

Maximum Speed in each gear, at Redline 6200 RPM...

1st Gear (2.66) 82.51 km/h

2nd Gear (1.78) 123.30 km/h

3rd Gear (1.3) 168.82 km/h

4th Gear (1.0) 219.47 km/h

5th Gear (0.8) 274.34 km/h

6th Gear (0.63) 348.37 km/h


GTSR W1

Tyre circumference of a 295/30 R20 tyre... 2.15199 metres

Max RPM 6600

Diff ratio 3.73

Maximum Speed in each gear, @ Redline 6600 RPM...


1st Gear (2.29) 99.77 km/h

2nd Gear (1.61) 141.91 km/h

3rd Gear (1.21) 188.82 km/h

4th Gear (1.0) 228.47 km/h

5th Gear (0.82) 278.62 km/h

6th Gear (0.68) 335.98 km/h

[LSX-438]

So who has been offered a W1?

I was on the list for 1-2 years in Sydney but no joy-- tried many interstate dealers too

[amckiwi]

Interesting these sold out with people seemed to be missing out yet the 427 never did

[white lie]

So who has been offered a W1?

I was on the list for 1-2 years in Sydney but no joy-- tried many interstate dealers too
I heard there was still a couple around.
Some dealer's are asking silly money for them though

[SASLS1]

Dropping the GTSR W1 from a 3.73 Diff Ratio, to 3.46 Diff Ratio, you'd be able to reach 107.55 km/h in first gear...

GTSR W1

Tyre circumference of a 295/30 R20 tyre... 2.15199 metres

Max RPM 6600

Diff ratio 3.46

Maximum Speed in each gear, @ Redline 6600 RPM...


1st Gear (2.29) 107.55 km/h

2nd Gear (1.61) 152.98 km/h

3rd Gear (1.21) 203.33 km/h

4th Gear (1.0) 246.30 km/h

5th Gear (0.82) 300.36 km/h

6th Gear (0.68) 362.20 km/h

[LSX-438]

I heard there was still a couple around.
Some dealer's are asking silly money for them though

Can you hint where, I have tried a few

[white lie]

Can you hint where, I have tried a few
The bigger dealers have been allocated more cars so they're always your best choice. 200k seems about average but have heard of prices ranging from 180 up well over 200

[Smitty]

The bigger dealers have been allocated more cars so they're always your best choice. 200k seems about average but have heard of prices ranging from 180 up well over 200

anything over 180 is daylight robbery
HSV have told the car mags... RRP is 169990
plus maybe 10 large for on roads (stamp duty, rego and delivery)
so
at 200 (and I have seen comments about 230! being asked) that is plain usury on behalf of the dealers

[white lie]

anything over 180 is daylight robbery
HSV have told the car mags... RRP is 169990
plus maybe 10 large for on roads (stamp duty, rego and delivery)
so
at 200 (and I have seen comments about 230! being asked) that is plain usury on behalf of the dealers
Completely agree!

[CALDIR]

anything over 180 is daylight robbery
HSV have told the car mags... RRP is 169990
plus maybe 10 large for on roads (stamp duty, rego and delivery)
so
at 200 (and I have seen comments about 230! being asked) that is plain usury on behalf of the dealers

Hi

I had a deposit on the car since 2015 and I would have proceeded at $170,000, but my dealer where my deposit was held quoted me an extremely high price which was over $50,000 on top of figures been thrown around earlier so I had to refuse. I was hoping it was going to be my 5th brand hew HSV and would have been an excellent vehicle for me to retain after owning a total of 13 Holden's/HSV's but it just didn't end up that way.

So much for brand loyalty, probably won't buy another Holden/HSV for the rest of my life as this has left me a very sour taste in my mouth.

Regards,

GTSRVF

[jaykay]

anything over 180 is daylight robbery
HSV have told the car mags... RRP is 169990
plus maybe 10 large for on roads (stamp duty, rego and delivery)
so
at 200 (and I have seen comments about 230! being asked) that is plain usury on behalf of the dealers

I hope they can't move them but I feel they will as they are the last......just wrong though !!!

[BLACKVE]

Hi

I had a deposit on the car since 2015 and I would have proceeded at $170,000, but my dealer where my deposit was held quoted me an extremely high price which was over $50,000 on top of figures been thrown around earlier so I had to refuse. I was hoping it was going to be my 5th brand hew HSV and would have been an excellent vehicle for me to retain after owning a total of 13 Holden's/HSV's but it just didn't end up that way.

So much for brand loyalty, probably won't buy another Holden/HSV for the rest of my life as this has left me a very sour taste in my mouth.

Regards,

GTSRVF

Sorry to hear that sucks.

well on bright side they wont be selling cars soon as a colarado HSV aint going to sell

[white lie]

Sorry to hear that sucks.

well on bright side they wont be selling cars soon as a colarado HSV aint going to sell
I reckon they'd sell plenty if they slot in an LSA....

[Smashfist]

Does the 169990 include LCT? There's $20-$25k in LCT right there according to a calculator I found. $170k plus LCT plus stamp duty, d/d and on-roads and honestly I'd expect north of $200k if LCT isn't included in the RRP.

[white lie]

Does the 169990 include LCT? There's $20-$25k in LCT right there according to a calculator I found. $170k plus LCT plus stamp duty, d/d and on-roads and honestly I'd expect north of $200k if LCT isn't included in the RRP.
Advertised RRP includes LCT and GST...plenty have been snapped up around the 180k mark drive away. Any selling above 200 is simply the DP being a grub.

[Smitty]

Does the 169990 include LCT? There's $20-$25k in LCT right there according to a calculator I found. $170k plus LCT plus stamp duty, d/d and on-roads and honestly I'd expect north of $200k if LCT isn't included in the RRP.

I would assume it does... because AFAIK all other HSV RRP values include it

[Jag530G]

Does the 169990 include LCT? There's $20-$25k in LCT right there according to a calculator I found. $170k plus LCT plus stamp duty, d/d and on-roads and honestly I'd expect north of $200k if LCT isn't included in the RRP.


$170K inc GST and LCT. If you are getting quoted 200K+ the dealer is charging a mark up. Not really heard of this in Australia before but it is common practice in America on hot new models where the dealer charges an extra margin because they can.

RRP stands for Recommended Retail Price, not Guaranteed Retail Price. HSV can recommend what they want and the dealer can charge what they want. Not being an apologist for dealers but I don't see people complaining when the dealer sells a car for less than RRP...

I suspect you will see the extra margin charged in the form of a ludicrous dealer delivery fee.

In the end it is market forces, high demand low supply. The real issue is the fact that many Dealer Principals are taking these cars personally and they actually aren't being offered to the general public unless you effectively buy out the DP's place in the queue from them.

Cheers, Matthew

[mac06]

There were people buying Mustangs and on-selling for an extra 30k. Simply a case of supply and demand. As long as people are willing to pay extra for something to be the first to have it (or one of the few to have it) there will be a potential for extra markup. How much that markup is depends on how much people are willing to pay. Not fair to loyal customers, but a simple fact of life in today's world.
The weird thing is the ATO makes nearly 25k on LCT, plus GST. Then State Revenue makes the stamp duty and license costs. That's a fair whack out of the price on every car, all for doing nothing.

[LSX-438]

If anyone hears of a W1 allocation available please PM me

[offshore]

Some guy on the HSV forum said he got #003 for 171K on the road.

[white lie]

Some guy on the HSV forum said he got #003 for 171K on the road.
Also claims the VT Manta is the best HSV ever.....

[CALDIR]

Some guy on the HSV forum said he got #003 for 171K on the road.

Hi

Are you ****ing serious?

Regards,

GTSRVF

[offshore]

Hi

Are you ****ing serious?

Regards,

GTSRVF


"$171,655 drive away #003
Depends who you know aye "

Says hes from the Gold Coast no idea if reliable he only has 3 posts.

[white lie]

He's not reliable, just a troll.

[Smitty]

He's not reliable, just a troll.


indeed he is... and got bounced off the HSV Forum

[super coach]

This is Driveaway Price for W1, expect delivery in July,
Buy Price $203,000

Includes Everything and is Registered in NSW

Dealer Delivery is the only thing that is high $8,500 and abnormal , this would normally run between $1,500 and $2,500 supply and demand will always dictate this price.

The Governments are taking $29,945 LCT , Stamp Duty $8795 and GST $14,904.

The governments are making the most money out of this deal !!!!

[CALDIR]

Hi

Congrats "Super Coach".

Regards,

GTSRVF

[offshore]

Well is another one from HSV forum lol

182k drive away from Sharp HSV Tweed Heads. This was a quote so he may still have them at that price.

[VL Executive]

Bit of a thread bump, but here is mine. Took delivery on the 3rd of August. SSV Redline Utility. I got the chrome put back, different wheels (19" staggered VE 2 - Early VF Redline type) and sportsbar removed with replacement tonneau

https://s1.postimg.org/abc4piswb/My_VF.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/abc4piswb/)

[Micks]

Bit of a thread bump, but here is mine. Took delivery on the 3rd of August. SSV Redline Utility. I got the chrome put back, different wheels (19" staggered VE 2 - Early VF Redline type) and sportsbar removed with replacement tonneau

https://s1.postimg.org/abc4piswb/My_VF.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/abc4piswb/)

Looks great mate! I detest the black Redline wheels those look mint on yours :goodjob:

[whitels1ss]

I am with Mick about the wheels as well, that looks great! :goodjob:

[VL Executive]

Thanks Guys. I'm impressed with the way it looks as well.
Really, I don't know what Holden were thinking when they made those black wheels standard fit on them. They should at least offer these wheels as an option. I had to do my own research and legwork, and persuading the dealer to fit them on for me. As well as paying extra for them. But its the look I wanted and I'm happy with it.

[CALDIR]

Hi all

The grand daddy of all the final & limited editions, the HSV GTSR W1 coming up for sale at Manheim Auctions:

http://www.manheim.com.au/passenger-vehicles/5095542/2017-holden-hsv-gtsr-w1-4d-sedan?referringPage=SearchResults

Regards,

GTSRVF

[surfwagon]

Your new ute looks great.
I agree with the others on your wheels, love a little bling.
Imho black wheel look like stockers when they are rolling.

[VL Executive]

I agree surfwagon. Those black mags they fit them with. Might as well put black stockies on.

[CLUBRED]

I like the black redline wheels, I do not like the black trim pieces they now use though, cheapens them, so good move going back to chrome.

[whitels1ss]

Hi all

The grand daddy of all the final & limited editions, the HSV GTSR W1 coming up for sale at Manheim Auctions:

http://www.manheim.com.au/passenger-vehicles/5095542/2017-holden-hsv-gtsr-w1-4d-sedan?referringPage=SearchResults

Regards,

GTSRVF

I wonder how much someone will pay for that?

[jaykay]

I wonder how much someone will pay for that?

I reckon $300k.....

[whitels1ss]

I reckon $300k.....

Seems about the going rate. :lol: