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Ausmartin1
10-08-2017, 11:01 PM
The Holy Grail of the Petrol Engine is about to be in cars ~2019.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBkfOUaEcWM

Published on 9 Aug 2017
Mazda announced yesterday that it would deploy - in production - the biggest advance in petrol engines since the carburettor in the fiscal year ending in March 2019. That’s according to Kiyoshi Fujiwara, the Director and Senior Managing Executive Officer of Mazda.
He’s the big cheese of R&D basically.
The advance is compression ignition for petrol engines - I spoke about it to you earlier in the week - and if you did not watch - shame on you. Subscribe now to avoid similar embarrassing incidents in the future.
Compression ignition represents the biggest step forward for petrol engine efficiency … certainly this century. Maybe ever. Credit where it is due - this development firmly cements Mazda as the leading internal combustion engine innovator on Earth.
This is a big deal - we’ll get into the technicalities in a minute - to the extent that they are public, at least. They’re calling it Skyactiv-X, and it basically means a two-litre engine with the technology performs (quote) “better than 2.5 litres with lower fuel consumption than 1.5 litres”.
Kiyoshi-san - Mazda’s R&D bigwig - says the compression ignition technology delivers 30 to 45 per cent better fuel economy than an inline four from 2008. He also says it will offer the same economy as a Skyactiv diesel engine - only burning gasoline.
This is a huge deal. It really is the holy grail of combustion management.
It’s not unlike what happens in a diesel engine. In a modern diesel you squirt fuel into compressed air at high temperature. It autoignites. No spark plug, obviously. They call that ‘stratified charge compression ignition’ or SCCI.
Squirting the diesel in? That’s the ‘stratified’ bit.
The petrol process is subtly different. The fuel is mixed with the air. (This is the key difference to diesel.) Then it’s compressed and autoignites. They call that ‘homogeneous charge compression ignition’ or HCCI. The ‘homogeneous’ part is: It’s all mixed up, then it burns.
The basic advantages for a petrol engine are: You get to use a higher compression ratio. That allows the fuel-air mixture to expand through a greater range when it burns, delivering fundamentally greater efficiency.
Because of the homogeneous mixture and the fact that it’s the compression doing the igniting, the ignition occurs everywhere in the chamber simultaneously - rather than radiating out from a spark plug. And that greatly increases the load on the piston, which is where the useful work that the engine does actually comes from.
It also reduces the peak temperature of the process, which slashes the production of oxides of nitrogen - the class of gasses that got Volkswagen into such deep doo-doo. And it doesn’t produce carbon nanoparticles, either.
But wait - there’s more: It also speeds up the combustion process.
So it sounds perfect - almost too good to be true. And in a sense it is - at least in terms of the problematic feedback, if you’re an engineer trying to make the system work reliably. Plenty of manufacturers have dipped their toes into that with varying degrees of success.

whitels1ss
11-08-2017, 06:21 AM
I can't stand watching anything by that bloke :jerk::jerk::jerk:

white lie
11-08-2017, 09:44 AM
I can't stand watching anything by that bloke :jerk::jerk::jerk:Agreed.
The blurb sounds great but I refuse to press play

mjrandom
11-08-2017, 10:38 AM
I haven't checked the detail but are people getting excited about running petrol in a diesel? Hell I did that in my BIL's Massey 40 years ago.

jc_sv8
11-08-2017, 10:55 AM
Sounds like an extension of Ralph Sarich's orbital injection technology from the 80's...

whitels1ss
11-08-2017, 11:45 AM
Agreed.
The blurb sounds great but I refuse to press play

I pressed "Play" but had to stop it after about 10 seconds
for the fear of putting my fist through my laptop screen.:rocket:

white lie
11-08-2017, 11:47 AM
I pressed "Play" but had to stop it after about 10 seconds
for the fear of putting my fist through my laptop screen.:rocket:Now you'll be in the same boat as me, once bitten, twice shy!
No idea how that bloke still has viewers, he's a muppet

whitels1ss
11-08-2017, 12:23 PM
Now you'll be in the same boat as me, once bitten, twice shy!
No idea how that bloke still has viewers, he's a muppet

We should ban anyone who posts any of his videos on here :jester:
because I am sure he earns money from every time his shit is viewed! :feedtroll:

white lie
11-08-2017, 12:25 PM
We should ban anyone who posts any of his videos on here ( :jester: )
because I am sure he earns money from every time his shit is viewed! :feedtroll:Yup!
Probably got tens of thousands of views (or more) but no one makes it past the first 30 seconds

JJW501
11-08-2017, 01:21 PM
This bloke is an A grade wanker and sensationalist, I refuse to click on his videos now.

I read the blurb here..... don't you think he is jumping the gun?

Let's review in 5 years eh?

Then we can properly assess the technology, rather than just swallowing the marketing stats hook, line and sinker.

seedyrom
11-08-2017, 07:40 PM
+1 ... not going to watch video with that dickhead in it.


I thought mazda’s Big contribution to petrol engines is that they are bringing the rotary back with the RX9

mjrandom
11-08-2017, 08:21 PM
GM have an HCCI engine that has been in a test mule for a year or three.

Ausmartin1
11-08-2017, 08:46 PM
We should ban anyone who posts any of his videos on here :jester:
because I am sure he earns money from every time his shit is viewed! :feedtroll:

Oh that's a bit harsh after all it was the only English speaking video that went a bit into detail that wasn't in Japanese :hitler:
** On the plus side it must be the only video I've seen he doesn't bash Holden **

Ausmartin1
11-08-2017, 08:51 PM
+1 ... not going to watch video with that dickhead in it.


I thought mazda’s Big contribution to petrol engines is that they are bringing the rotary back with the RX9

Mazda are trying to .... It's what keeps Japans most brilliant engineers at Mazda, The RX9 will be a low volume halo car for Mazda and the Engineers work on the rotary in their spare time (Or their own time)
This is why there is no positive date for the RX9. The rotary engine sadly is a work in progress on the side line & when its deemed ready - then it will be ready. The rest of the RX-9 is NOT the issue.

Ausmartin1
11-08-2017, 08:57 PM
GM have an HCCI engine that has been in a test mule for a year or three.

The difference is that Mazda has made a commitment to release it.
Which means they currently must have something up the sleeve GM does not or Mazda has confidence / guts to push through.
This was the promised Skyactive II with a miracle % of improvement. Now named Skyactive X

Would I buy either a GM or Mazda first gen HCCI engine = No.
It's a lot of new technology and I would rather watch others give it a go first and then jump on board when all is known to be sweet.

whitels1ss
11-08-2017, 09:52 PM
Oh that's a bit harsh

** On the plus side it must be the only video I've seen he doesn't bash Holden **


Do you actually enjoy watching his stuff? :confused:


I can't stomach the bloke!:jerk:

Jason01
11-08-2017, 09:54 PM
I made it to 20 seconds.

Ausmartin1
11-08-2017, 11:15 PM
Ok for all of you weak of JC stomach I give you the Mazda video in Japanese with English subtitles.
Apologies but I do not issue Chunder bags with the initial Video as I though the people here had a tougher constitution with JC :limpy:

Now Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEh8MgFLNh8

Ausmartin1
12-08-2017, 12:00 AM
Now Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEh8MgFLNh8[/QUOTE]

PS The Sykyactive X bit (Highly technical) starts at 24:50 mins. & No this is not just a Diesel running on Petrol, it is a whole lot more complicated than that. :-)

HSV,_I_GOT_ONE
12-08-2017, 04:04 PM
The difference in economy between a 2.5 and a 1.5 these days is a poofteenth of two fifths of f&%k all. I'll be impressed when someone produces a camless four stroke engine.

white lie
12-08-2017, 05:44 PM
The difference in economy between a 2.5 and a 1.5 these days is a poofteenth of two fifths of f&%k all. I'll be impressed when someone produces a camless four stroke engine.Aren't Koenigsegg pretty close with those?

Ausmartin1
12-08-2017, 07:23 PM
The difference in economy between a 2.5 and a 1.5 these days is a poofteenth of two fifths of f&%k all. I'll be impressed when someone produces a camless four stroke engine.

Errr I'm hear to impress you .... they already have Fiat call it Multiair.

You can get a multiair engine in a variety of Fiat & Alfa romeo products and yes they had a lot and I mean a lot of trouble with them at the start.

The mazda MX-5 in Fiat clothing Fiat Abarth 124 Spider - you can buy right now with a multiair camless four stroke engine. if you don't mind FCA's non existent warranties.

https://www.fiat.com.au/124spider

And no it is not 2/5ths of f all .... It is quite remarkable.
Eg.
Imagine a V8 5L with an economy of a 3L and when you drive it HARD it does not consume petrol like someone is holding a bucket over it.
it is a big deal - for Engineers working on engines to get more power with less fuel and less pollution.

Ausmartin1
14-08-2017, 12:56 AM
Here is another vid. USA Engineering geek explains it. Somehow this may be an issue attempting it on a rotary but Mazda is proving to do amazing things with conventional engines.
https://youtu.be/9KhzMGbQXmY

Luminous
15-08-2017, 09:42 AM
Is it just me? Or does that guy look like he is having mini strokes during the first video?

duke5700
15-08-2017, 09:47 AM
Yes done and dusted supposedly.

F1 has been doing it for a while, though I think those are pneumatic where as the Eggies are coil based.


Aren't Koenigsegg pretty close with those?

whitels1ss
15-08-2017, 10:23 AM
Is it just me?
Or does that guy look like he is having mini strokes during the first video?

I doubt too many on here could suffer watching it through! :jerk: