DPF Issues

[csv rulz]

Keen to hear peoples thoughts and experiances when it comes to diesel cars and issues with the DPF's.
We are looking to update the family car, with a Kia Sorrento currently at the top of our wish list for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately if you want AWD and anything but a base model you are limited to diesel only.
The car will only really be doing the school/day care run, some trips to the shops with a long trip to east gippsland a couple of times a year.
Given the lack of long driving I am concerned the car wont get warm enough for the DPF to do its thing and we will have issues with it. From what i have read to replace a DPF you could be looking upwards of $10k which is a scary prospect.

Any help on the subject people can provide is appreciated

[feistl]

Can't offer any advice regarding Diesel Particle Filters but my first recommendation to anyone getting a diesel is to put a quality fuel/water separator in...

https://www.westernfilters.net.au/brands/Fuel-Manager.html

Apparently diesel fuel in Australia tends to be pretty poor quality and some service stations with shitty storage tanks can have water issue. There are a few horror stories on the Prado forum of guys getting poor quality diesel which causes serious damage... A replacement turbo diesel engine (D4D) is apparently $17k.

So yeah, either way i think its worth the ~$200 to put one in.

[amckiwi]

Wheels magazine had an article on this recently I think.
Unless I lived in the county or did a lot of highway driving I would not touch one

[csv rulz]

Wheels magazine had an article on this recently I think.
Unless I lived in the county or did a lot of highway driving I would not touch oneI did read that. But then a lot of guys ive spoken to who own these cars claim to have no issues at all and beleive those articles are extremes and are scare tactics.

I would prefer petrol, but that only really leaves CX9 which is a very expensive option.

[white lie]

When I was working away, a lot of the light trucks all had them and the latest Cruisers just started rocking up with them. A LOT of those vehicles do very short burst trips and a LOT of them had issues with it. You can manually get them to burn off and clean the filter but they always had issues with the DPF system. The vehicles that did long trips always seemed to fare better. If I had one, I'd pull the DPF off.

And as mentioned, they always had a heap of water ending up in the fuel/water seperators. I'd also invest in a good catch can.

Slightly off topic but if you can stretch for a CX-9, go for it. I was never big on SUV's but absolutely love ours.

[Smitty]

............. that only really leaves CX9 which is a very expensive option.

with the worst warranty amongst that group of SUVs (3 years.. who are they kidding)
plus
Marzda (as Mof says) dealers do not do deals as I found


I bought 2 Sorentos for the work fleet instead (petrol versions)
7 year warranty.. now revised from july 1 to 10years and 200,000

and back on topic...
we have NO diesel vehicles in our passenger fleet for the reasons
being thrown up here. Just too much grief

[csv rulz]

with the worst warranty amongst that group of SUVs
plus
Marzda (as Mof says) dealers do not do deals as I found


I bought 2 Sorentos for the work fleet insteadYeah 3 years warranty vs 7 years isnt very appealing. Especially as the car will be financed over 5 years. I would atleast like a warranty for as long as i have finance on the car.

[macca33]

I wouldn't recommend a diesel engine for the driving duties you describe.

[csv rulz]

So general consenses is to stay away from diesel based on the style of driving. Its a shame hyundai and kia dont offer the V6 with AWD.
Its also shame they haven't put the 2.0T into their SUV's

[Pickles]

We bought a Landrover Defender in 2013, at which time Aus was only subject to Euro 4, so the Defender didn't have one.
I was pretty happy with that, because, even at that time, in the U.K., where Euro 5 regs applied, owners were having problems with them, when their trips were mainly short.
I don't know whether we're at Euro 5 or 6 now, but I do know that I'm starting to see stuff in the Aussie Press, now that our diesels DO have to have them, that these short trip issues are starting to become known, with horrendous replacement costs being quoted by various makes/dealers. '
Pickles.

[BLACK 346]

Wheels magazine had an article on this recently I think.
Unless I lived in the county or did a lot of highway driving I would not touch one

Yep, we had nothing but issues with the DPF on our Craptiva, not suited at all for the round town shopping trolley duties.

[Smitty]

.......................................
Its also shame they haven't put the 2.0T into their SUV's

they did (at least Kia did) on the previous model
the current model?... the V6 is the go

[csv rulz]

they did (at least Kia did) on the previous model
the current model?... the V6 is the goIm not aware of any Kia SUV with the 2.0T petrol motor currently in the optima GT.
This thread is going a long way to confirming my concerns with diesel.

Whatever car we update to, it will be petrol.

[black_friday]

We bought the missus a diesel Dualis 12 months ago from a couple in Brunswick, 4 years old and only 25k on it that had already had the DPF replaced. 12 months on and we've almost doubled the k's without an issue, but it does a 30-40 min drive twice a day. We couldnt be happier with the performance and economy of the diesel, but unfortunately it sounds like it might not be the right thing for you CSV

[raff]

Territory AWD diesel? Don’t think they have a DPF!

Bought the wife the new Sorento. We were almost sold on the CX9 but a few ergonomic issues with the Mazda we went Kia.

Nice car, only 9000kms in but she loves it. Interior is very nice. It has all the bells and whistles. Probably too many bells and whistles for me, it beeps a lot when I drive it.

Probably prefer the drive on my SZ TS diesel territory! Very basic but it suits me. Mine is a RWD and hover around the 8.0l/100km which is pretty good for a reasonable size SUV

[Souljah]

Can't really fault our MY11 diesel Cruze. (It's even auto!) 135k on the clock and touch wood we've never had a DPF prob. Though i have got the missus trained to let it have a good stint above 2k up hills so it manually starts a burn off.

[white lie]

Yeah 3 years warranty vs 7 years isnt very appealing. Especially as the car will be financed over 5 years. I would atleast like a warranty for as long as i have finance on the car.As an FYI, all new Mazda's are now 5 year warranty.

[csv rulz]

I have found a car we are keen on for the wife however it is interstate. Im in VIC and its for sale from a dealer in NSW. Its about $8k cheaper than anything i can find in VIC. 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe with 7000km for $29,990 before on roads.

Ive never bought a car interstate. Wondering how it works. Would i have to pay on road costs in NSW and then get a RWC and pay again in VIC?
Can i purchase the car without having to pay NSW on road costs?

[whitels1ss]

I have found a car we are keen on for the wife however it is interstate. Im in VIC and its for sale from a dealer in NSW. Its about $8k cheaper than anything i can find in VIC. 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe with 7000km for $29,990 before on roads.

Ive never bought a car interstate. Wondering how it works. Would i have to pay on road costs in NSW and then get a RWC and pay again in VIC?
Can i purchase the car without having to pay NSW on road costs?

No, I have sold quite a few cars to people in Victoria over the years.

You would just get it back to Victoria,
get it inspected & re registered in Victoria
& you pay the stamp duty when you register it in Victoria. (You only pay it once in Victoria.)

[raff]

FWD? No longer wanting AWD?

The auction places quite often ship interstate- get a quote from them

[Smitty]

I have found a car we are keen on for the wife however it is interstate. Im in VIC and its for sale from a dealer in NSW. Its about $8k cheaper than anything i can find in VIC. 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe with 7000km for $29,990 before on roads.

Ive never bought a car interstate. Wondering how it works. Would i have to pay on road costs in NSW and then get a RWC and pay again in VIC?
Can i purchase the car without having to pay NSW on road costs?

naah .. to all that

I bought my R8 Tourer in Sydney (from a dealer who is unmentionable)
I did the deal.. NOT including ANY on-road costs in NSW and paid them $450
for shipping to a Vic dealer who sold HSVs (did ask them beforehand)

I had the Vic dealer register it in Vic and paid them the Vic on roads
plate fee, SDuty and reg .... plus $200 for Admin

Yeah cost me extra (shipping and admin) to get and register here
but far neater and easier than register in NSW... ship it to Vic
re-register and claim back NSW rego costs

[csv rulz]

FWD? No longer wanting AWD?

The auction places quite often ship interstate- get a quote from themWould prefer AWD, however have confirmed i dont want a diesel due to potential DPF issues. Which means if i want a Sorento or Santa Fe V6 my only option is FWD.
There is the option of a CX9 petrol AWD, however i would be looking at an additional $15k just on the purchase price.
Single income family with 2 young kids means I am trying to keep the purchase price down as much as possible whilst still getting something big enough and that is as safe as possible. Eg: comes with AEB.