Genuine Phase IV GTHO For Sale

[whitels1ss]

"Auction Details......

Description:
1972 Ford Falcon XA GT Phase IV
Year: 1972
Make: Ford
Model: Falcon XA GT
Series: Phase IV
Body: Sedan
Odometer: Indicating TBA
Engine: 351C Manual
Transmission: 4-Speed Manual
Colour: Brambles Red
Seats: 5
Description/extras: You’ve heard the stories. You’ve seen pictures. This is the reality.

This is the Ford Falcon XA GTHO Phase 4, the only car to make front page news, be mentioned in parliament and change the face of motor racing in Australia forever.

Bathurst 1971. The XY GTHO Phase 3 dominates qualifying for the The Great Race with eight of the top 10 grid positions wearing the Blue Oval. 130 laps of Mt Panorama later Phase 3 drivers make it a Ford lockout on the podium with Allan Moffat on the top step. Ford rules Bathurst one again and Falcons fly out of showrooms across Australia.

1972 sees Ford, Holden and Chrysler hell-bent on bringing bigger, better, faster cars to race on Sunday to help sell the road-going equivalents on Monday. The fight is on.

Holden has the LJ Torana but now with a V8. Chrysler looks to the 340ci V8 to boost its Charger and Ford has a brand new model with a more aerodynamic body to slice through the air down Conrod Straight. The ‘Big Three’ are hungry for racing glory and they are putting everything into making the fastest cars they can.

160MPH ‘Super Cars’ Soon screamed the headlines on 25 June 1972. A week later, the Torana XU2
would be a dream, the 340ci Charger would be forgotten and the XA GTHO Phase 4 would be dead.

“Bullets on Wheels” was what the secretary for the N.S.W Minister for Transport whispered directly into the ear-hole of a journalist looking for a scoop who spewed the message onto the front page of the daily newspapers. This was ‘The Super Car Scare’ and for better or worse it changed Aussie performance cars forever.

This XA GTHO is one of only three race cars made before the Super Car Scare forced Ford to abandon its plans to continue the legend of the GTHO Phase cars and dominate racing in Australia. Built in Ford’s Special Vehicles unit known as ‘Lot 6’ these three Phase 4 cars were going to be driven by Allan Moffat and Fred Gibson with one car as a spare. Sadly this never happened.

The rarity of the Phase 4 has given the car mythical status and now it sits at the pinnacle of Aussie muscle cars with a legend, a back story, and a value that is unparalleled.

More information on this icon to come soon.

VIN/Chassis No: JG33MC78489K
ENG No: TBA

Sold unregistered"



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https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=9947&lid=1583977&pgn=1&pgs=10


Wonder how much this will make under the hammer? :hide:

[jaykay]

Hey Ed...who cares :stick:

[whitels1ss]

Hey Ed...who cares :stick:

I honestly think that someone will care enough to pay HUGE money for it! :thumbsup:

[Pickles]

I honestly think that someone will care enough to pay HUGE money for it! :thumbsup:

I agree. I'd like to learn more about this car, and I agree, if it IS the real deal, it will make "Huge Money".
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

I agree. I'd like to learn more about this car, and I agree, if it IS the real deal, it will make "Huge Money".
Pickles.

It is the real deal Pickles. :yup:

[Pickles]

It is the real deal Pickles. :yup:

Awesome. What is its history sinse it was built?
Not ever registered?.....I thought there was only ONE genuine registered Ph 4, a green one residing in NSW?
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

Awesome. What is its history sinse it was built?
Not ever registered?.....I thought there was only ONE genuine registered Ph 4, a green one residing in NSW?
Pickles.

Not registered.

This was built by Ford Factory Racing Team, they built up 3 of them before the plug was pulled.

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Some info on the 3 Ford Racing cars here https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/ford-falcon-xa-gtho-phase-iv-and-falcon-rpo-83

[whitels1ss]

Bidding was at $49,000 this morning, it's now at $100,000

& there is a long way to go before the end of the auction. :lol:

[JT]

Awesome. What is its history sinse it was built?
Not ever registered?.....I thought there was only ONE genuine registered Ph 4, a green one residing in NSW?
Pickles.

I agree with this. How can this be considered a "genuine" ph4 when it wasn't built as one.

[whitels1ss]

I agree with this. How can this be considered a "genuine" ph4 when it wasn't built as one.

It's as genuine as plenty of the other earlier model GTHO Falcons (Phase 1, II, & III) developed by the Ford Factory Race Team that raced at Bathurst



I reckon it will make over $800,000 at auction. :yup:

[Red CV8 R]

Awesome. What is its history sinse it was built?
Not ever registered?.....I thought there was only ONE genuine registered Ph 4, a green one residing in NSW?
Pickles.

You're correct, there's only one registered PhIV, a friend of mine knows the owner and has been in it. He is not into Aussie/ muscle cars and couldn't understand the fuss over this "ugly old" car :lol:

[Smitty]

.. the history of these 4 vehicles has been well covered by a number of
mags - Street Machine, AMC etc over the years

This, from Street Machine, summarises it perfectly imo

"Four XA GTHO Phase IV Falcons were built and subsequently sold. One was the only production Phase IV built and
that was sold through Jack Brabham Ford in NSW. It was a Calypso Green four-door sedan and it’s the only one of
the four to carry a compliance plate that identifies it as a GTHO. It came with a bunch of options including air-con,
sunroof and fast glass. It’s now owned by a collector in Sydney and hasn’t been seen in public for years.

The other three were racecars being prepared by the Ford factory racing team. They were all standard XA GTs as
delivered to the Ford Special Vehicles factory in Mahoneys Road where they were built up to Phase IV specs by
the race-team mechanics. The three XA racecars had ‘QC’ motors, hand-built and blueprinted. These were a $250
option on the Phase III for those buyers intending to race their cars."

oh and...
Mahoneys Rd had the infamous 'Lot6' factory Ford used for development of the GTHOs over the years

[BLACK 346]

You could just buy this one for a comparable song at $135k and drive it :)

And yes, I know it is not a Phase IV.

[whitels1ss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lT6Ow36G0

[Pickles]

.. the history of these 4 vehicles has been well covered by a number of
mags - Street Machine, AMC etc over the years

This, from Street Machine, summarises it perfectly imo

"Four XA GTHO Phase IV Falcons were built and subsequently sold. One was the only production Phase IV built and
that was sold through Jack Brabham Ford in NSW. It was a Calypso Green four-door sedan and it’s the only one of
the four to carry a compliance plate that identifies it as a GTHO. It came with a bunch of options including air-con,
sunroof and fast glass. It’s now owned by a collector in Sydney and hasn’t been seen in public for years.

The other three were racecars being prepared by the Ford factory racing team. They were all standard XA GTs as
delivered to the Ford Special Vehicles factory in Mahoneys Road where they were built up to Phase IV specs by
the race-team mechanics. The three XA racecars had ‘QC’ motors, hand-built and blueprinted. These were a $250
option on the Phase III for those buyers intending to race their cars."

oh and...
Mahoneys Rd had the infamous 'Lot6' factory Ford used for development of the GTHOs over the years

I remember that sign, simply a piece of wood, with "Lot 6" roughly painted on it,....went past it squillions of times,...we all knew what was goiing on in there, but none of us ever got inside,......actually I don't know anyone that did!
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

Bidding still only at $265,000 at the moment. :toetap:

Still time to snap up a bargain. :idea::popcorn:

[Pickles]

Bidding still only at $265,000 at the moment. :toetap:

Still time to snap up a bargain. :idea::popcorn:
When compared with other Aussie Muscle sold recently, I reckon this car would be worth at least four times that amount?
Pickles.

[Peter B - CV8]

It's certainly a rare & collectible car, with Ford racing links and pedigree - however, it's not a "matching numbers" car & it lacks the critical compliance plate stamping (unlike the Calypso green P4). It will still sell for a premium & really the only limit is what someone is prepared to pay. My guess is around the $1.25m figure...

[Pickles]

It's certainly a rare & collectible car, with Ford racing links and pedigree - however, it's not a "matching numbers" car & it lacks the critical compliance plate stamping (unlike the Calypso green P4). It will still sell for a premium & really the only limit is what someone is prepared to pay. My guess is around the $1.25m figure...

Well then, we're about "equal" in our estimate?.....But, it only takes two who want it, and if ya had "Two Bowdens", who knows?
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

Bidding is at $305,000 at the moment.

[whitels1ss]

Only at $310,000 still. :yup:

[whitels1ss]

Still only at $405,000 with a few hours under 3 weeks to go.

[SASLS1]

Interesting how the last 3 bids have been by the same bidder... Hmmm...


19/9/18... Bidder # C218915... $305K

21/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $310K

23/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $320K

30/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $405K


I don't have access to the bid history, I have just been noting it down each day it changes, so I could of missed a bid.

[SASLS1]

New Bidder...

02/10/18... Bidder # C182476... $410K

[whitels1ss]

There is yet another bidder on top at the moment at $415,000 :fishing:

[SASLS1]

Updated...


19/9/18... Bidder # C218915... $305K

21/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $310K

23/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $320K

30/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $405K

02/10/18... Bidder # C182476... $410K

03/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $415K

04/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $460K

[whitels1ss]

Updated...


19/9/18... Bidder # C218915... $305K

21/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $310K

23/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $320K

30/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $405K

02/10/18... Bidder # C182476... $410K

03/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $415K

04/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $460K

Yeah, there is quite a few people wanting to buy it as I would have expected. :yup:

I wouldn't think that all the serious buyers would even be bidding on it at this early stage because the auction has over 2 weeks to go. (No point in pushing the price up.)

I think it's around about half way there at the moment. :lol:

[SASLS1]

19/9/18... Bidder # C218915... $305K

21/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $310K

23/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $320K

30/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $405K

02/10/18... Bidder # C182476... $410K

03/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $415K

04/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $460K

05/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $480K


Hmmm...... 2 bidders, bidding against themselves 3 times in row... looks dodgy to me...

That might explain why the bid history is not shown...

Only 4 bidders from 8 bids.

[whitels1ss]

There would be absolutely nothing dodgy going on with the bidding. :nono:


Quite often when people bid on online auctions they enter an amount in a "Maximum bid" box (not just a single one off bid)

then if someone else bids there bid is not shown, only the next allowed increment of bidding by the other person is shown, thus bidding seems to be bumped up.

(Same as on ebay)

Example, if the bids were at $300,000 & someone (let's call that person "Bidder X") put on a maximum bid of $500,000
every time someone else placed a bid under the $500,000 it would just show that bidder ("Bidder X") being the highest bidder with the price rising
until someone outbid the $500,000 maximum bid.


Quite often outsiders can't see the "hidden" bids.

[JT]

It must be set up (like ebay) to incremently increase your bid after a certain amount of time to your maximum

[SASLS1]

The bid history should be shown IMO, then the process would be completely open, for everybody to track the actual bid progression in real time.

[whitels1ss]

It must be set up (like ebay) to incremently increase your bid after a certain amount of time to your maximum

Exactly!

A few points...

One would be that these guys & auctions are heavily regulated, these guys are not cowboys & won't risk being fined & closed down for falsifying bids.


Another... This is a very rare car which will attract buyers.

Another... Auction company does not own the car & only make money (a very healthy commission) if they sell it so they would not risk a false bid which might lose a genuine sale.

Another... This is a very high profile car & auction, there are way too many people watching to do anything dodgy.





I wonder what the reserve price is & if it will achieve it? :hide:

[whitels1ss]

The bid history should be shown IMO, then the process would be completely open, for everybody to track the actual bid progression in real time.

It probably would show more information to registered bidders.

[SASLS1]

It probably would show more information to registered bidders.

Why not just show the bid histroy in the first place to everybody, not just registered bidders, so simple, totally avoids any doubt whatsoever.

[whitels1ss]

Why not just show the bid histroy in the first place to everybody, not just registered bidders, so simple, totally avoids any doubt whatsoever.

I don't think many people would be doubting anything & it doesn't matter if anyone believes whatever they wish anyway.


Some people still think the world is flat! :lol:



It's regulated, it's clean!




Let's move back on topic. :cheers:

[whitels1ss]

Current Bid: $510,000 :yup:

[SASLS1]

There would be absolutely nothing dodgy going on with the bidding. :nono:


I don't think many people would be doubting anything & it doesn't matter if anyone believes whatever they wish anyway.

Some people still think the world is flat!

It's regulated, it's clean!


I never said Lloyds Auctions was dodgy...

My point being... it would look dodgy, if it was shown that a single bidder was biding against themselves, multiable times in a row. Without a complete bid history list, we don't know this for a fact.

If the history was shown, and people could see that there are heaps of different people bidding, not just one bidder against themselves... that would create vastly more interest in the auction.

[SASLS1]

Updated...


19/9/18... Bidder # C218915... $305K

21/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $310K

23/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $320K

30/9/18... Bidder # C285533... $405K

02/10/18... Bidder # C182476... $410K

03/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $415K

04/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $460K

05/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $480K

06/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $510K

08/10/18... Bidder # C74281... $720K

[whitels1ss]

Hmmm...... 2 bidders, bidding against themselves 3 times in row... looks dodgy to me...



In your second last post you posted that you never said there is anything dodgy?

You are the only one trying to cast doubt. :doh:

They know what they are doing & have a very good reputation, the bidding on the auction is going well.

Now, for the very last time, as they say at auctions "fair warning"... leave it alone!

[whitels1ss]

It's gone over a million dollars now.

It's currently at one million, ten thousand dollars with over 9 days to go. :goodjob:




https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=9947&lid=1583977&pgn=1&pgs=10

[keith reed]

Could well overtake Peter Brock's 1982-3 Bathurst winning commodore that sold recently.

[whitels1ss]

Could well overtake Peter Brock's 1982-3 Bathurst winning commodore that sold recently.

That was sold by LLoyds for a record breaking $2,100,000 a few days ago.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-07/peter-brock-holden-commodore-sets-motorsport-auction-record/10346404





I doubt this will make as much but who knows, it's still got a while to run.

[whitels1ss]

Bidding now at $1,550,000 :yup:

[Pickles]

Bidding now at $1,550,000 :yup:

Wow,...how long to go?
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

Wow,...how long to go?
Pickles.

7 days 12 hours atm.

[keith reed]

Could be heading for a bun fight. Bidder 285533 has reentered the fray.

[whitels1ss]

Could be heading for a bun fight. Bidder 285533 has reentered the fray.

Yeah, I am sure you will see some others have a go.....



It's obviously quite a desirable car to some people with some very serious play money.



Current Bid: $1,555,000



https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=9947&lid=1583977&pgn=1&pgs=10

[Pickles]

Looking good, but we're not in the same league as some,..in the U.S. a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO just sold for $40M!!!
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

Looking good, but we're not in the same league as some,..in the U.S. a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO just sold for $40M!!!
Pickles.

That makes this look like an absolute bargain. :lol:

[jc_sv8]

Not many Falcons in America go for a million bucks!

[keith reed]

According to 7 news this car is expected to reach 3 million.

[whitels1ss]

at $1,560,000 now

[keith reed]

Bidder 89868 has entered the bidding. We now know that three people have some loose change.

[whitels1ss]

Only 1 day & 7 hours to go now.........

https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=9947&lid=1583977&pgn=1&pgs=10

[keith reed]

Another new bidder. The bidding could well go crazy in the last half hour. The finish time could well be extended
due to their policy of not allowing final bids in the last few minutes. Let's see who has the deepest pockets.

[whitels1ss]

51 minutes to go...... Current Bid:$1,575,000

[keith reed]

Final bid $2 million. Not what they were expecting but I'm sure the seller won't be to unhappy. Brocks vh still reigns supreme.

[whitels1ss]

Yeah, went about an hour over time,

closed at $2,000,000 Plus buyers fee (7.5%) $150,000 Total Price $2,150,000




I hope it met it's reserve? :idea: :hide:

[keith reed]

One of the bidders who missed out on the phase 4 bought the two phase 3's and the phase 2.

[Pickles]

One of the bidders who missed out on the phase 4 bought the two phase 3's and the phase 2.

Unreal, what were those three cars like,....pristine examples?
Pickles.

[whitels1ss]

One of the bidders who missed out on the phase 4 bought the two phase 3's and the phase 2.

Not certain about that, unless you have more updated news?

It seems that some were passed in when reserve price was not met?


see link....

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/phase-iv-gtho-xa-falcon-sells-for-2-million


Hey Martin..... There are some pictures of the other cars lower down on the linked page. :cheers:

[whitels1ss]

Interesting video about the car



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=wVmOf_-QZpg

[whitels1ss]

I think this video is worth watching in full screen all the way through also

Would be nice to have this guy's garage & car collection. :yup:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJ7yLG2KlI

[keith reed]

Not certain about that, unless you have more updated news?

It seems that some were passed in when reserve price was not met?


see link....

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/phase-iv-gtho-xa-falcon-sells-for-2-million


Hey Martin..... There are some pictures of the other cars lower down on the linked page. :cheers:

Got that wrong. Hadn't given any thought to a reserve.

[Pickles]

I think this video is worth watching in full screen all the way through also

Would be nice to have this guy's garage & car collection. :yup:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJ7yLG2KlI

GREAT Video, The only thing I can lay claim to having in common with the owner (I wish I had more!) is that I am also a "One owner with books man"!
This man has some serious cars.
Thanks for posting, Pickles.

[jc_sv8]

I am also a "One owner with books man"!

Me too, but I don't think it counts on a '03 SV8 :lmao:

[jc_sv8]

Or the Mrs. Mx5 :hide:

[BLACK 346]

Me too, but I don't think it counts on a '03 SV8 :lmao:

Can't remember the last time I saw an SV8, they can't be that common?

[A^K^T]

Can't remember the last time I saw an SV8, they can't be that common?

Just had a quick look on Carsales , total of 9

[jc_sv8]

Hmmm, might be going up in value then!

[whitels1ss]

Hmmm, might be going up in value then!

Certainly would not be too worried about losing tens of thousands of dollars on it over the next ten years or so. :lmao:

[jc_sv8]

Done, I'll take 10K :woot:

[JT]

This phase 4 has finally been sold after the initial sale at auction fell through

https://www.speedcafe.com/torquecafe/iconic-ford-falcon-gtho-sells-for-just-under-2m/

[whitels1ss]

That has taken some time. :lol: