quickest et for bolt on sedan with street tyres

[HRTSEN]

Hello

Does anyone know what is the QUICKEST 1/4 mile time ever acheived for a totally bolt on un-opened ls1 sedan running STREET TYRES manufactured by Holden and/or HSV be it either auto or manual?

I really want to know as this is the next goal I want to acheive.

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by CLUBVX
Hello

Does anyone know what is the QUICKEST 1/4 mile time ever acheived for a totally bolt on un-opened ls1 sedan running STREET TYRES manufactured by Holden and/or HSV be it either auto or manual?

I really want to know as this is the next goal I want to acheive.

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

Good one Richard.

Also a clarification of what fits under bolt on
Brands and compounds that fit street tyres

This way we have something to aim at with similar mods.

[large]

IMHO unopened means exactly that. no cam etc
Bolt ons means any bolt on mod excluding nitrous and forced induction.

Street tyres means any tyre that is a normal street registerable tyre. I personally sus on drag readials which certainly are not a normal street tyre but someone can shoot me down if they like. I just personally think it should be tyres that you drive around on every day of the week not purely for the track.

[DOUGHY]

and darren you cant own it.:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by large
IMHO unopened means exactly that. no cam etc
Bolt ons means any bolt on mod excluding nitrous and forced induction.

Street tyres means any tyre that is a normal street registerable tyre. I personally sus on drag readials which certainly are not a normal street tyre but someone can shoot me down if they like. I just personally think it should be tyres that you drive around on every day of the week not purely for the track.

Another good point Large.

I wouldnt mind seeing a list of tyres by name etc. Size would be a max of 245's in 17 or 18 inch as that is the max street legal.
Any wider tyre would give an unfair advantage
For Example
Bridgstones SO3's
Falken ???
Goodyear???

Bolt on's would include
Manifolds any
Cold air intakes any
TB's any
Exhaust any
Tunes any

and then maybe the same bolt ons for slicks

Just a thought

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by BLO-305
and darren you cant own it.:lol: :lol: :lol:

HA HA.

It just goes to show how good edit is and the LS1 is, no matter who's car it is on. Who would of thought two years ago we would have even been thinking about 12's with a stocker on any tyre.

[BRUTE]

Originally posted by CLUBVX
totally bolt on un-opened ls1 sedan running STREET TYRES manufactured by Holden and/or HSV be it either auto or manual?



you said sedan so I guess Ute's aren't included?

are retreads ok for everyday tyres?

[HRTSEN]

Hi

My mistake in the wording. Utes I feel should be included and that would make Brute the quickest then?

Retreads are street legal!

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[IIV8II]

How about a 'bolt-on' challenge but tyres 'free'.
After all, wheels are a bolt-on...

[chops]

I'm interested in the tyre specs here too - it could turn in to a war.

Radial "street" tyres like the Bridgestone RE540s meet your requirements or not?

Sounds like a great idea though, cos that would be a nice target to be aiming for.

[dean]

Id say Radials that you would drive every day in the wet or dry. Bridgestones, Pirellis, Michelin, Dunlop, Sumatono or any other whoflungdung brand of tyre.

:idea:

[Scud]

The rules should be simple. run what you brung If it's ok by the local TMU then it's fine.

You guys need to stop being so pedantic worrying about tyre brand/size/etc. Street tyres are just that - street tyres. Nitto's don't count as your average joe doesn't drive around all day on nitto's. Semi comps are probably ok (i'm talking the azeni's etc).

As far as bolt on's are concerned - this includes everthing bar the hairdryer.

The bottom line is street trim is exactly that - how you drive it daily. Don't confuse street trim with stock, these are totally different concepts. Rock up and run. Unopened, street trim. It's not rocket science.

:bounce:

[Roger]

Yep, tyres are easy - what you run around on legally every day.

Perhaps locked diffs should also be out ? You can't drive a vehicle with a locked diff on the street. A tightened up limo or a Kaaz are okay, as they can be in a daily driver ?

Any thoughts ?

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by Scud
The rules should be simple. run what you brung If it's ok by the local TMU then it's fine.

You guys need to stop being so pedantic worrying about tyre brand/size/etc. Street tyres are just that - street tyres. Nitto's don't count as your average joe doesn't drive around all day on nitto's. Semi comps are probably ok (i'm talking the azeni's etc).

As far as bolt on's are concerned - this includes everthing bar the hairdryer.

The bottom line is street trim is exactly that - how you drive it daily. Don't confuse street trim with stock, these are totally different concepts. Rock up and run. Unopened, street trim. It's not rocket science.

:bounce:

Scud
not being pedantic but we would like clear parameters as we thought we were clear before.

As far as run what you brung. My R8 daily driver has 265 or 285 on the rear. That size tyre is hardly fair to somebody running a 235 or is it, it also has no interior and 8 throttle bodies lightweight doors, 3.9 locker etc. This car is all daily driven with 70,000km on the clock and all Engineered, so I guess you can see my point.

With set guidelines it will make it easy. The tighter the guidlines the cheaper it will make it for everyone with a stocker to compete as well as take out all the comments like, but he had this and that. For example a set of 285 18 semi comps are $1200 per pair so you see the cost can add up quite quickly. If tyre widths are open then the tyre type should be open as well in so much as anything that can be road registered is ok

Just trying to make it fun and fair and give everybody a go without spending a fortune.

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by Roger

Perhaps locked diffs should also be out ? You can't drive a vehicle with a locked diff on the street. A tightened up limo or a Kaaz are okay, as they can be in a daily driver ?

Any thoughts ?

Hi Roger, IRS has floating axles so a full spool/locker is perfectly safe and streetable, so it should be allowed. Spools are illegal in a solid axle diff ( non floating), because if your axel snaps your wheel falls off.

[F6Mauz]

So are spools legal in IRS cars?

[IIV8II]

Originally posted by r8ls1
Hi Roger, IRS has floating axles so a full spool/locker is perfectly safe and streetable, so it should be allowed. Spools are illegal in a solid axle diff ( non floating), because if your axel snaps your wheel falls off.

You can't be serious..in fact you are wrong

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by IIV8II
You can't be serious..in fact you are wrong

Wrong about what specifically ?

[markalan]

Originally posted by BRUTE
you said sedan so I guess Ute's aren't included?

are retreads ok for everyday tyres?


You can't use retreads on the drag strip andra rules....

[ProVK]

Originally posted by r8ls1
Hi Roger, IRS has floating axles so a full spool/locker is perfectly safe and streetable, so it should be allowed. Spools are illegal in a solid axle diff ( non floating), because if your axel snaps your wheel falls off.


You ever had a Spool in a street car, no matter what set up the rear diff is, i would call them very unsafe (but fun). When you are stuck out in the rain with the spool it becomes a very wild ride, even without much throttle opening. IM not saying im against the spool (i love the one i run in my VK from time to time), but i would not class them as streetable or street legal.

[Plan B]

Originally posted by ProVK
You ever had a Spool in a street car, no matter what set up the rear diff is, i would call them very unsafe (but fun). When you are stuck out in the rain with the spool it becomes a very wild ride, even without much throttle opening. IM not saying im against the spool (i love the one i run in my VK from time to time), but i would not class them as streetable or street legal.

I'm not saying their legal, but in an IRS they are the ducks.... In our cars they are better than what you just imagined.

[Roger]

Originally posted by Plan B
I'm not saying their legal, but in an IRS they are the ducks.... In our cars they are better than what you just imagined.

So Peter, are you saying you can drive with a spool / locker on the road ? Thought that (forgetting the wet), they would chew tyres, hence not making it a 'streetable' item.

Guess a tightly shimmed LSD is close, but not quite locked.

Or are we just clutching at straws ?????

:bounce: :bounce:

[HRTSEN]

Hi

I saw the sv8 diff in action turning up into a very slow driveway at G&D Performance and it made the rear tyres sound tuff chirping lighty. This would be AWESOME in my car but my DAD would crack it with me so I can not do it!

You could probably get away with this system as a street trim item that was in the silver sv8 diff. It was driven from Sydney to Melb and back in that current setup. Is it legal?.....probably as legal as my K&N rampod filter, hide and cover it up and hopefully the police never find it!:hide:

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[Roger]

Originally posted by CLUBVX
Hi

I saw the sv8 diff in action turning up into a very slow driveway at G&D Performance and it made the rear tyres sound tuff chirping lighty. This would be AWESOME in my car but my DAD would crack it with me so I can not do it!

You could probably get away with this system as a street trim item that was in the silver sv8 diff. It was driven from Sydney to Melb and back in that current setup. Is it legal?.....probably as legal as my K&N rampod filter, hide and cover it up and hopefully the police never find it!:hide:

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

Except making a turn in front of an officer would attract attention with the tyres chirping as you turned. A rampod, he can't tell unless you lift your bonnet.

Think the discussion should centre around the practicalities of driving, not whether its legal - changing a crapppy holden hose clamp to a nice tridon one on the radiator catch tank is technically illegal, so I think we're all waaaaay past that.

An Edit is technically illegal, but still very streetable.

:cheers:

[HRTSEN]

Hi Roger

My rampod is hidden...its not under the bonnet!

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by ProVK
You ever had a Spool in a street car, no matter what set up the rear diff is, i would call them very unsafe (but fun). When you are stuck out in the rain with the spool it becomes a very wild ride, even without much throttle opening. IM not saying im against the spool (i love the one i run in my VK from time to time), but i would not class them as streetable or street legal.


in the rain the TC does its job. and yes you can drive it just as hard as a lsdiff.

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by CLUBVX

You could probably get away with this system as a street trim item that was in the silver sv8 diff. It was driven from Sydney to Melb and back in that current setup. Is it legal?.....probably as legal as my K&N rampod filter, hide and cover it up and hopefully the police never find it!:hide:

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

Hi Richard, my Clubby passed a full RTA inspection with a spool. If it chirps on the cement just say its the diff is a HSV " special factory mark skaife hydratrack option" :D

[grassy]

Originally posted by r8ls1
in the rain the TC does its job. and yes you can drive it just as hard as a lsdiff.

Not everyone has TC, take me for example. I would not want the crappy holden TC anyway :thumbsup:

[Plan B]

Originally posted by Roger
So Peter, are you saying you can drive with a spool / locker on the road ? Thought that (forgetting the wet), they would chew tyres, hence not making it a 'streetable' item.

Guess a tightly shimmed LSD is close, but not quite locked.

Or are we just clutching at straws ?????

:bounce: :bounce:

Have you driven one?

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by grassy
Not everyone has TC, take me for example. I would not want the crappy holden TC anyway :thumbsup:

The factory TC may not be optimum for WOT drag racing but for me it works well as a safety item in the wet as it stops the car from doing 360's into oncoming traffic if you get over excited.

Anyone else that is bitching, buy a KAZZ then.

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by Plan B
Have you driven one?

My GF has been driving around all week in Syd with Craigs locker, including in the heavy rain on Sunday with no problems. With standard tyres I dont think it is a real issue on the street. The only time you hear it is a locker is what ClubVX said, slowly into a driveway.

Craig
My GF said possession in 9/10 of the law.:D

[HRTSEN]

Hi

Hehehe: When I first read the above post I though it said My GF has been driving around all week in Syd with Craig's HOOKER!

Lucky I re-read the post before I sent this reply.

To Justice R8: I am pretty clueless about diffs and mods. Does you "Semi-spool?" actually improve your launch? Does it decrease top speed? Is it stronger or weaker than not having the semi-spool? Is their still an lsd in it? I assume their is still a gearset in their?

I actually liked the sound of it in the driveway when I heard it.

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by CLUBVX
Hi

Hehehe: When I first read the above post I though it said My GF has been driving around all week in Syd with Craig's HOOKER!

Lucky I re-read the post before I sent this reply.

To Justice R8: I am pretty clueless about diffs and mods. Does you "Semi-spool?" actually improve your launch? Does it decrease top speed? Is it stronger or weaker than not having the semi-spool? Is their still an lsd in it? I assume their is still a gearset in their?

I actually liked the sound of it in the driveway when I heard it.

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

So you know about Craigs Hooker in Syd.:lol: No wonder he spends so much time in sydney. Keep it quite I dont think he wants everybody to know. OOps.:jester:

Alright ClubVx you've caught me out. I dont know shit about how the locker diffs work. Just know both wheels turn together. Planb will have to explain

[HOWQUICK]

the differences are here....never seen a locker for a BW but it maybe a spool......

http://www.strangeengineering.net/catalog/index.html

http://www.strangeengineering.net/catalog/index.html

[Plan B]

Originally posted by Justice R8
Craig
My GF said possession in 9/10 of the law.:D

Ok! Craig has already paid for it. So it's my problem now.

I'm sitting here typing out invoices at the moment.....

Oh! looky.... what have we got here? A job at Justice's mums house... Craig what else do you need? Send me a PM.... :lol:

[MattJ]

Originally posted by Scud
The rules should be simple. run what you brung If it's ok by the local TMU then it's fine.

You guys need to stop being so pedantic worrying about tyre brand/size/etc. Street tyres are just that - street tyres. Nitto's don't count as your average joe doesn't drive around all day on nitto's. Semi comps are probably ok (i'm talking the azeni's etc).

As far as bolt on's are concerned - this includes everthing bar the hairdryer.

The bottom line is street trim is exactly that - how you drive it daily. Don't confuse street trim with stock, these are totally different concepts. Rock up and run. Unopened, street trim. It's not rocket science.

:bounce: I'm with you Scud.Semi comps aren't that awesome for drag racing anyway having a stiff side wall designed for high cornering loads(circuit)
Glenn

[MattJ]

Originally posted by CLUBVX
Hi

I saw the sv8 diff in action turning up into a very slow driveway at G&D Performance and it made the rear tyres sound tuff chirping lighty. This would be AWESOME in my car but my DAD would crack it with me so I can not do it!

You could probably get away with this system as a street trim item that was in the silver sv8 diff. It was driven from Sydney to Melb and back in that current setup. Is it legal?.....probably as legal as my K&N rampod filter, hide and cover it up and hopefully the police never find it!:hide:

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX Those poor CV joints are crying out "HELP".
It's tough on the strip but for the long term there's too much twisting & load placed on the driveshafts etc.I've driven on the circuit with spools & an LSD is much nicer all round.As far as I'm concerned though it's ok by me if someone wants to use it on the strip.Theres a lot of spools in 9 inches out there.

Glenn

[Roger]

Originally posted by Plan B
Have you driven one?

Peter, no I haven't, had an HZ with a tightly shimmed LSD that actually made the car 'hop' when doing tight turns. So I assume if it's locked harder than that, it must be a pain in the butt, not to mention what it does to tyres.

Wasn't speaking from an expert spool or locker perspective.

[Fabio's CV8]

Hey Craig it looks like it still works!

http://www.sprint.net.au/~fabiand/hosted_stuff/IMGP0108.JPG

:lol:

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by FDVTGEN3SS
Hey Craig it looks like it still works!

http://www.sprint.net.au/~fabiand/hosted_stuff/IMGP0108.JPG

:lol:

ClubVx

That's what a spool does!!

[SPJ]

Dont show him that!
He will want one for sure now! :lol:

[Craig]

I drove the spool in Darren's car when I was up in syd, and apart from nearly killing him the diff was awesome, only time it chirped was going round a rounndabout real slow when I was off throttle. Its more predictable than my hydracrap...

BTW it was the brakes that nearly unstuck Darren in the back :hide:

And speaking of sydney hookers where has Rob been hiding :moon:

[BRUTE]

Originally posted by markalan
You can't use retreads on the drag strip andra rules....

well not all tracks are run by ANDRA

[Sidewindr]

I would say Nitto's are also acceptable as they are perfectly legal on the road.

Street tyres are DOT approved road legal tyres. Ie not slicks... fairly simple :D

[SchrgdVSV6]

Originally posted by Sidewindr
I would say Nitto's are also acceptable as they are perfectly legal on the road.

Street tyres are DOT approved road legal tyres. Ie not slicks... fairly simple :D

I thought Nittos werent DOT approved? Plus you can get lots of different variations of Nitto tyres from regular street tyres to full drag radial style.
btw - If the Nitto NT555R(?)... you know the DR ones...are street legal Im gonna do my hardest to source em! (which isnt easy).

[WA VTGEN111]

Getting back to the original topic
All sounds easy - but the more you look into this the harder it gets. Before you know it you'll end up having a rule list /book as big as a bible.
.

[Sidewindr]

Originally posted by SchrgdVSV6
I thought Nittos werent DOT approved? Plus you can get lots of different variations of Nitto tyres from regular street tyres to full drag radial style.
btw - If the Nitto NT555R(?)... you know the DR ones...are street legal Im gonna do my hardest to source em! (which isnt easy).

The 555's are available in Aus .. someone is importing them I believe and they are street legal.

[SPJ]

Didnt Leewah have some he could get his hands on?
I remember reading something on the FA site...:confused:

[SchrgdVSV6]

Originally posted by DuNsTiN
Didnt Leewah have some he could get his hands on?
I remember reading something on the FA site...:confused:

Yeah, Im reading that thead now ;)

But he is out of stock of 275/40/17 which will the smallest I would go in a rear (for my 9.5" wide rims).

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by WA VTGEN111
Getting back to the original topic
All sounds easy - but the more you look into this the harder it gets. Before you know it you'll end up having a rule list /book as big as a bible.
.

Just cementing the goalposts before we make the long trek to the track. Thats all.

[WA VTGEN111]

Originally posted by Justice R8
Just cementing the goalposts before we make the long trek to the track. Thats all.
Cementing the goal posts the suit Who??????

[Malcolmsp]

Originally posted by BRUTE
well not all tracks are run by ANDRA

If they were all ANDRA run things would be a lot better...but thats a different story...

ANDRA Rule 5.2 Tyres

...retreading of any tyre on any vehicle quicker than 12.50 (1/4 mile)/8.00(1/8 mile) or unsafe modification of racing tyres is not permitted...

So yes you can run retreads up to a point.

I had previously thought you could not as the car I crewed on ran faster than 12.50.

Why you would is still beyond me.

cya
Mal

[Brett SS]

You guys are really looking at setting up two categories for the stock internal records. One category would have the only restriction being the engine must have stock internals and no power adders. In this category there anything would go according to wheels, tyres, diffs, weight reduction, intakes, manifolds, fuel etc. This is the only way the US guys rank their stock internal times, they just have it as stock motor but anything else is fair game.

The other category would be for stock internal, no power adders but street legal and setup for the street. This would mean street rubber, no weight reduction apart from spare wheel etc and must retain full interior, also running an air filter and street legal intake. It would be pretty hard to agree on this category as the whole tyre choice argument comes into it, but I believe any DOT approved tyre can be used even Nitto's or even ET Streets as they are able to be driven on the roads.

Brett. :thumbsup:

[DOUGHY]

Its more predictable than my hydracrap...

have to agree there.

[SLE355]

Originally posted by Brett SS
You guys are really looking at setting up two categories for the stock internal records. One category would have the only restriction being the engine must have stock internals and no power adders. In this category there anything would go according to wheels, tyres, diffs, weight reduction, intakes, manifolds, fuel etc. This is the only way the US guys rank their stock internal times, they just have it as stock motor but anything else is fair game.

The other category would be for stock internal, no power adders but street legal and setup for the street. This would mean street rubber, no weight reduction apart from spare wheel etc and must retain full interior, also running an air filter and street legal intake. It would be pretty hard to agree on this category as the whole tyre choice argument comes into it, but I believe any DOT approved tyre can be used even Nitto's or even ET Streets as they are able to be driven on the roads.

Brett. :thumbsup:


I'd agree with that except for the tyres. I'd go with no drag radial's as ET Street's would be as good as full slick's on a internally stock engine IMHO. Plus if it's gonna be in setup for street trim most have 17 or 18" rims anyway. Remember the old saying "run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough!".

[BRUTE]

Originally posted by SLE355
I'd agree with that except for the tyres. I'd go with no drag radial's as ET Street's would be as good as full slick's on a internally stock engine IMHO. Plus if it's gonna be in setup for street trim most have 17 or 18" rims anyway. Remember the old saying "run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough!".

well I have to agree only with your last statement
Remember the old saying "run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough!".

I drive to the track on my Dot approved BFG Drag radials and have been 'still' on the car for the last week.

lets just get this sorted and start Racing:driving:

:nopity:

[HOWQUICK]

just a suggestion.....why don't you adopt these nationally accepted rules? They seemed to of thrashed it out for you all.

http://prostreetnationals.com.au/eliminator.htm

scroll to the bottom of the page on this one.....

http://prostreetnationals.com.au/bracket.htm

:stupid:

[BRUTE]

great Idea John :)

No engine transplants allowed. Vehicles must have original style engine fitted.
Normally aspirated vehicles only except for factory supercharged or turbocharged engines using OEM components
Maximum 12” treaded DOT tyre only. As measured with ASP template. No slicks
Must have original glass with all windows operational
Fibreglass panels limited to bonnet, boot lid and bumpers
Orgignal chassis only, no modifications permitted. Must retain standard suspension and factory location. No fabricated control arms, 4 Links, ladder bar rear ends or chassis connectors
Standard wheel tubs must be retained unaltered. Outer lips may be rolled
Must have current registration and be fitted with rego plates

[strife]

yep here is some other classes from thunder shootout as well give you a reasonable idea

http://www.thundershootout.com/index.cfm?action=races

Street Stock Manual Transmission Class (SS/M)

MINIMUM WEIGHT w/ DRIVER (RACE WEIGHT):
3400 lbs

TIRES:
DOT Radials Only
Drag Radials OK
No "ET Streets" or other DOT Slicks

TRANSMISSION:
Factory Manual Transmision Only - appropriate for year of car

POWER ADDERS:
None Allowed

MAXIMUM CUBIC INCHES:
Stock

EXHAUST:
Exhaust must exit over OR at the rear axle
Cut-outs are allowed

GENERAL RULES FOR THIS CLASS:

- This Street Stock class is designed to be a bolt-on parts class
- Rule Clarification: No power adders allowed, including factory optioned power adders
- Intake manifold changes allowed
- No internal engine modifications allowed (If engine oil touches it, it's not allowed as a bolt-on)
- All internal engine parts are expected to be orignial for year/make/model of car (factory bore and stroke)
- Torque converters/clutches allowed
- We are not going to list out every little thing that is not allowed, but if you have done anything to the internals of the engine, you cannot run in this class.

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by strife
yep here is some other classes from thunder shootout as well give you a reasonable idea

http://www.thundershootout.com/index.cfm?action=races

Street Stock Manual Transmission Class (SS/M)

MINIMUM WEIGHT w/ DRIVER (RACE WEIGHT):
3400 lbs

TIRES:
DOT Radials Only
Drag Radials OK
No "ET Streets" or other DOT Slicks

TRANSMISSION:
Factory Manual Transmision Only - appropriate for year of car

POWER ADDERS:
None Allowed

MAXIMUM CUBIC INCHES:
Stock

EXHAUST:
Exhaust must exit over OR at the rear axle
Cut-outs are allowed

GENERAL RULES FOR THIS CLASS:

- This Street Stock class is designed to be a bolt-on parts class
- Rule Clarification: No power adders allowed, including factory optioned power adders
- Intake manifold changes allowed
- No internal engine modifications allowed (If engine oil touches it, it's not allowed as a bolt-on)
- All internal engine parts are expected to be orignial for year/make/model of car (factory bore and stroke)
- Torque converters/clutches allowed
- We are not going to list out every little thing that is not allowed, but if you have done anything to the internals of the engine, you cannot run in this class.

Seems good strife. As usual you have done your homework and come up with the goods for us all.

We did our runs at heathcote in the SV8 as an example to Joe Blo who cant afford a lot. We wanted to show that Ls1's are fast even with just an edit and some slicks.

Once you start making things like manifolds, torque converters the cost rises quite a lot. Intakes, Mafs, exhausts and tb's most people already have.

Just a thought

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Justice R8
Seems good strife. As usual you have done your homework and come up with the goods for us all.

We did our runs at heathcote in the SV8 as an example to Joe Blo who cant afford a lot. We wanted to show that Ls1's are fast even with just an edit and some slicks.

Once you start making things like manifolds, torque converters the cost rises quite a lot. Intakes, Mafs, exhausts and tb's most people already have.

Just a thought

true Justice...but having been on rules committees for both ANDRA and SCCA...you soon realise that it needs to be policed. I am a accreditted engine sealer for SCAWA which covers all sedan speedway classes from visual stock through to super sedan. Most officials are volenteers and don't need to be bogged down with over complicated rules...imagine having to check the stall/clutch on all contestants before entering.

Old rule of thumb...keep it simple. That way everyone has fun. :thumbsup:

[VY sv8 CLUBBY]

Originally posted by strife

TRANSMISSION:
Factory Manual Transmision Only - appropriate for year of car
.

May I ask what this means ?:confused:

- manual to me means a gear box with a clutch
- transmission to me means automatic with converter

:girl: Sandra

Silly me, I just looked at the thread properly and found an automatic class
:hide: :girl:

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by HOWQUICK
true Justice...but having been on rules committees for both ANDRA and SCCA...you soon realise that it needs to be policed. I am a accreditted engine sealer for SCAWA which covers all sedan speedway classes from visual stock through to super sedan. Most officials are volenteers and don't need to be bogged down with over complicated rules...imagine having to check the stall/clutch on all contestants before entering.

Old rule of thumb...keep it simple. That way everyone has fun. :thumbsup:

Fair call HQ. Stally if it revs it's tits out before it moves it gets knocked out. If you cant pick it, it's in was my thought. Clutches anything goes as the stocker seems the best for strip that I have used.

I was thinking of putting up some prizes. Don't know what, but just something like a trophy, jackets (FREE MAF just kidding) but we need some basic rules.

[Plan B]

Originally posted by Justice R8

I was thinking of putting up some prizes. Don't know what, but just something like a trophy, jackets (FREE MAF just kidding) but we need some basic rules.

May as well make it "a first class 12 month holiday on the QEII"... What ever you do... nobody will accept it!

The posts will get moved again. ;) You proved a quick ET dollar for dollar once... Remember?

[BlownCV8]

maybe I'm blind, but i dont see the yanks bickering about what mods are quik car has.....they just all seem to benifit from the info and move on.......mite have something do do with why they have so many quik cars over there......


its been done great! if someone can do it with less mods great post the results but lets all get over it.....

I for one want to see whats needed to run 10's, one's done it with nos...a few have tried N/A....and a few are trying with F/I

Are we all gonna bitch and noan like this when it happens?...

If so I'll be glad to bail early..........

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by BlownCV8
maybe I'm blind, but i dont see the yanks bickering about what mods are quik car has.....they just all seem to benifit from the info and move on.......mite have something do do with why they have so many quik cars over there......


its been done great! if someone can do it with less mods great post the results but lets all get over it.....

I for one want to see whats needed to run 10's, one's done it with nos...a few have tried N/A....and a few are trying with F/I

Are we all gonna bitch and noan like this when it happens?...

If so I'll be glad to bail early..........

Were're coming to spy on you in DEC. Then us stock boys are going after you blown boy's.

If we aim low we will achieve. If we aim high we will keep trying. Sounds a bit like tuning.

[BlownCV8]

Darren I will enjoy it, accept it and congrtulate, with out any of the but you had 3 mafs crap.


I'm sticking up for ya........cant believe 2 weeks on and your achievments are still being knocked. Whats the point??

you com'n down with B??

Fantstic.......you guy's dont need to spy.....you need to give pointer's.....oh yeah ....thats why your coming.

[Red CV8 R]

I have no vested interest is anything and dont want to knock anyone's achievments but I dont understand why this question raises so many fights.

As just a normal person off the street I would love to know what it takes to run 12s on street tyres as I have allways wanted to. If I keep this car out of warranty that will be my aim. 12s in complete street trim. Issues have held me back modifying this car so far so I will try with either this car out of warranty or my next car.

I want to drive to the track run my time and drive away tyres and all. My mates with jap performance cars can, so I cant be left out! I do wonder if it is posiable with these cars as it seems to be a very tough goal but on paper it should be able to be done!

However I seem to be missing something here that i think is going on behind the scenes as there is alot of comments that i dont understand surrounding this issue. I realise to some people this is not important but it is my goal and I think others want this to.

I cant see how it affects others achievments at all myself as there has been some fantastic stuff done in this scene over the last two years and it can only get better! Still the question remains!

[sly 1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Justice R8
[B]Scud
not being pedantic but we would like clear parameters as we thought we were clear before.

As far as run what you brung. My R8 daily driver has 265 or 285 on the rear. That size tyre is hardly fair to somebody running a 235 or is it, it also has no interior and 8 throttle bodies lightweight doors, 3.9 locker etc. This car is all daily driven with 70,000km on the clock and all Engineered, so I guess you can see my point.

With set guidelines it will make it easy. The tighter the guidlines the cheaper it will make it for everyone with a stocker to compete as well as take out all the comments like, but he had this and that. For example a set of 285 18 semi comps are $1200 per pair so you see the cost can add up quite quickly. If tyre widths are open then the tyre type should be open as well in so much as anything that can be road registered is ok

Just trying to make it fun and fair and give everybody a go without spending a fortune.
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Justice R8
You say that your daily driven R8 has 3.9 locker and 8 throttle bodies etc etc
Ok then you go on and say that its got 70,000kms and all Engineered.
Man the 8 throttle bodies that you guys keep going on about are not street legal and no way would a straight RTA Engineer give you an engineers report stating that the 8 throttle body manifold is street legal.
The EPA has whats called a drive by induction noise test and no way that the 8 throttle bodies would pass that .
Its ILLEGAL and you guys know that.
So maybe you guys with no mafs and 8 throttle bodies and locked diffs need to be in a class of your own .
Lets call you guys OUTLAW LS1.
So OUTLAW LS1 can be for the guys who dont care if a manifold costs them $8000 ,or if the engine sounds like a Top Fuel Dragster .
Basiclly OUTLAW LS1 is for the boys with the big or unlimited budgets.









And STREET LS1 can be for genuine street cars.

[sly 1]

HSV Senator
Give Glen at GD Performance a call on 03 5996 1813
He can clear the air for you.
And as far as driving to the track on street tyres ,then running 12's ,then driving home ,well he has done it.
Yes that right 12's with street tyres.

[spank]

i have mini spool in my vl race car that i only use on the hsv club track days , the other feature of the mini spool is that when you get the car sideways it much easier to control the drift because the car has the tendancy not fishtail all over the place but hold a more controlled slide and driving it on the street (trade plate) even with 10 inch wide full slicks you only really notice the locker effect at slow speeds :yup:

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by sly 1
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Justice R8
[B]Scud
not being pedantic but we would like clear parameters as we thought we were clear before.

As far as run what you brung. My R8 daily driver has 265 or 285 on the rear. That size tyre is hardly fair to somebody running a 235 or is it, it also has no interior and 8 throttle bodies lightweight doors, 3.9 locker etc. This car is all daily driven with 70,000km on the clock and all Engineered, so I guess you can see my point.

With set guidelines it will make it easy. The tighter the guidlines the cheaper it will make it for everyone with a stocker to compete as well as take out all the comments like, but he had this and that. For example a set of 285 18 semi comps are $1200 per pair so you see the cost can add up quite quickly. If tyre widths are open then the tyre type should be open as well in so much as anything that can be road registered is ok

Just trying to make it fun and fair and give everybody a go without spending a fortune.
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Justice R8
You say that your daily driven R8 has 3.9 locker and 8 throttle bodies etc etc
Ok then you go on and say that its got 70,000kms and all Engineered.
Man the 8 throttle bodies that you guys keep going on about are not street legal and no way would a straight RTA Engineer give you an engineers report stating that the 8 throttle body manifold is street legal.
The EPA has whats called a drive by induction noise test and no way that the 8 throttle bodies would pass that .
Its ILLEGAL and you guys know that.
So maybe you guys with no mafs and 8 throttle bodies and locked diffs need to be in a class of your own .
Lets call you guys OUTLAW LS1.
So OUTLAW LS1 can be for the guys who dont care if a manifold costs them $8000 ,or if the engine sounds like a Top Fuel Dragster .
Basiclly OUTLAW LS1 is for the boys with the big or unlimited budgets.
STREET LS1 can be for genuine street cars.

You are missing the point sly. We are interested in pushing the boundries of an all but stock LS1 as well as playing with our other cars. As Howquick said, it needs to be fun and not cost prohibative for those that cannot afford to buy all the go quick bits. Adding all of the things I put in my post adds hugely to the cost and as we have PROVEN a stock TB, standard exhaust manifold m6 car with edit and slicks could do a 12 sec pass. It was done and done a lot cheaper than many other cars with TB's etc etc etc and 4 milliion dyno runs. That was my point.

BTW my 8tb Outlaw car as you call it ran 13.9 at heathcote. Funny hey! The outlaw does 13.9 and the VY shopping cart does 12.58. Just goes to show a driver does count
Also 8tbs were not on when I engineered the car. Everything else was as is and the guy is no shonk. Took 3 goes. 8tbs will be done once the air box is complete.

If someone beats the 12.58, we wont make excuses, we will congratulate them. Congratulations came from those that count such as Howquick, Delco, Tuna, Phantom and G&D. The people that know what it takes to run a time. Most of the complaints came form those reading a book of excuses. As Howquick said, the line has been drawn in the sand. I say those that dont want to step up to the line, get a bucket and shovel and keep trying to heap it on the guys that do.

And I will admit when I am wrong. I thought drags were jump in and hit the gas and it was that easy. I take my hat of to the guys that do a good time as I have seen what type of skill it takes.

:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Justice R8
You are missing the point sly. We are interested in pushing the boundries of an all but stock LS1 as well as playing with our other cars. As Howquick said, it needs to be fun and not cost prohibative for those that cannot afford to buy all the go quick bits. Adding all of the things I put in my post adds hugely to the cost and as we have PROVEN a stock TB, standard exhaust manifold m6 car with edit and slicks could do a 12 sec pass. It was done and done a lot cheaper than many other cars with TB's etc etc etc and 4 milliion dyno runs. That was my point.

BTW my 8tb Outlaw car as you call it ran 13.9 at heathcote. Funny hey! The outlaw does 13.9 and the VY shopping cart does 12.58. Just goes to show a driver does count
Also 8tbs were not on when I engineered the car. Everything else was as is and the guy is no shonk. Took 3 goes. 8tbs will be done once the air box is complete.

If someone beats the 12.58, we wont make excuses, we will congratulate them. Congratulations came from those that count such as Howquick, Delco, Tuna, Phantom and G&D. The people that know what it takes to run a time. Most of the complaints came form those reading a book of excuses. As Howquick said, the line has been drawn in the sand. I say those that dont want to step up to the line, get a bucket and shovel and keep trying to heap it on the guys that do.

And I will admit when I am wrong. I thought drags were jump in and hit the gas and it was that easy. I take my hat of to the guys that do a good time as I have seen what type of skill it takes.

:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

that is a fair post Justice. But whilst it is being fun let's not kick sand in the faces of the ones who choose to just walk along the beach occasionally tipping their toe in the water.........everyone has their own Everest even if it is a mole hill to others and as you have admitted in your post....it is a lot easier to do nothing and never be tested than to have a dig and come up short. ;) Let's keep it all straight and make sure we don't get too much sauce on the spagetti...it is a shame that some can only feel happy in themselves when they are making others around them feel small. :doh:

[Red CV8 R]

Originally posted by sly 1
HSV Senator
Give Glen at GD Performance a call on 03 5996 1813
He can clear the air for you.
And as far as driving to the track on street tyres ,then running 12's ,then driving home ,well he has done it.
Yes that right 12's with street tyres.

Yeah I have been reading the posts about this, fantastic achievement. Got to decide before January whether my VX stays or goes so I will be giving both G&D and sams a call if she stays!

Thanks.

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by HOWQUICK
that is a fair post Justice. But whilst it is being fun let's not kick sand in the faces of the ones who choose to just walk along the beach occasionally tipping their toe in the water.........everyone has their own Everest even if it is a mole hill to others and as you have admitted in your post....it is a lot easier to do nothing and never be tested than to have a dig and come up short. ;) Let's keep it all straight and make sure we don't get too much sauce on the spagetti...it is a shame that some can only feel happy in themselves when they are making others around them feel small. :doh:

Exactly.

We did this so the toe in the water guys could see that it can very cheaply with a basically stock car. They dont have to have a workshop on side or do 100's of dyno runs fine tuning. This car has had 2 or 3 dyno runs for the tune and one before it left to go to melb, just to get a graph printout and 1 run on G&D's Dyno. I think a lot had to do with the Skill of planb behind the wheel.
So summing up
Yes a stock M6 with a tune, on slicks can do a 12sec pass. Now people can see it can be done they will try. Before this, people thought it was too hard or impossible without some serious dollars wasted on bolt ons. It has also shown a driver counts a lot in straight lkine stuff

Most of the knockers have been the toe in the water guys, the people this was done to help. I know everyone has thier own everest to climb and that is fine. But if people want to climb a different mountain dont knock the people that have already climbed it. It's a bit like we can all drive better than Marcus Ambrose when we are sitting in the lounge room with 10 tv angles of each corner, having a beer. It's a lot different doing it than commenting on it.

[Modena]

Originally posted by Justice R8
Yes a stock M6 with a tune, on slicks can do a 12sec pass
let's not forget the cat-back and full-spool... :stick:

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by Modena
let's not forget the cat-back and full-spool... :stick:

Shit stirrer!!:moon:

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Justice R8
Exactly.

We did this so the toe in the water guys could see that it can very cheaply with a basically stock car. They dont have to have a workshop on side or do 100's of dyno runs fine tuning. This car has had 2 or 3 dyno runs for the tune and one before it left to go to melb, just to get a graph printout and 1 run on G&D's Dyno. I think a lot had to do with the Skill of planb behind the wheel.
So summing up
Yes a stock M6 with a tune, on slicks can do a 12sec pass. Now people can see it can be done they will try. Before this, people thought it was too hard or impossible without some serious dollars wasted on bolt ons. It has also shown a driver counts a lot in straight lkine stuff

Most of the knockers have been the toe in the water guys, the people this was done to help. I know everyone has thier own everest to climb and that is fine. But if people want to climb a different mountain dont knock the people that have already climbed it. It's a bit like we can all drive better than Marcus Ambrose when we are sitting in the lounge room with 10 tv angles of each corner, having a beer. It's a lot different doing it than commenting on it.

just when you were doing fine you had to go and put too much sauce on the spaggetti again Justice:doh:

If you are refering to Delco with his bunch of dyno runs....you have missed the boat...all I see on here are these comments about on the edge tunes etc....week!! Delco went out and invested $45k buying a car when he first got edit so he could run a heep of tunes through the thing and find the power, he then ran the thing down the track documenting everything that made it slow then fast...this is where he ran into the traction problems with stock tyres. We the decided to pull some power out of the thing down low to make it go down the track. It worked and he ran 12.9x@109xmph with an A4.....not bad mph considering the extra loss through the trans hey? Now you want to say that with only three dyno pulls that your tune is acheiving the same results-that is fine but I reckon it is an insult to Sam and the time he has put into learning how to tune the things to make an issues out of it...

As with anything as more is done it gets easier and some are on another part of the same mountain you are referring to. That you were able to get straight past them and to your summit in such a quick time is commendable and like I have said " Great Effort" and I honestly mean that......let's face it...no mountain is easy to climb and we are all experts with hindsight. Your attacks on other tuners on here are nothing more than disgraceful and a person like you with as many smarts should be able to construct better arguments for your favourite tuner than to state that others can't tune! As I said in our phone conversation it only makes you look small and does no Justice to the proffessional people doing your work to come on here and belittle others efforts and position on the mountain. You have been in motorsport a long time and it surprises me to see you make the sort of statements you do....whether you think they are good intentioned or not.

Think back over the posts you put up before HC and ask yourself what reaction you would have to them....while you are questioning yourself...think about WHY people want to rip your efforts apart......sure you made your point but quite obviously you pissed some people on the way. while we are at it let's do the math on the set up....to an off the street fella..
Mafless Tune $1500
Spooled 4.10:1 rear $1200
Weld wheels and slicks $3000
Cold Air mods $200?
Cat Back $450
Labour to fit all this $500?

It is far from a cheap deal isn't it...sure it doesn't have every bell and whistle but to emulate it is still going to cost more than a tune isn't it?

Take this post for what it is worth Darren...I KNOW you are capable of better than what you have displayed recently....

Again..Top effort on the 12's...you made your point. :cheers:

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by HOWQUICK
just when you were doing fine you had to go and put too much sauce on the spaggetti again Justice:doh:

If you are refering to Delco with his bunch of dyno runs....you have missed the boat...all I see on here are these comments about on the edge tunes etc....week!! Delco went out and invested $45k buying a car when he first got edit so he could run a heep of tunes through the thing and find the power, he then ran the thing down the track documenting everything that made it slow then fast...this is where he ran into the traction problems with stock tyres. We the decided to pull some power out of the thing down low to make it go down the track. It worked and he ran 12.9x@109xmph with an A4.....not bad mph considering the extra loss through the trans hey? Now you want to say that with only three dyno pulls that your tune is acheiving the same results-that is fine but I reckon it is an insult to Sam and the time he has put into learning how to tune the things to make an issues out of it...

As with anything as more is done it gets easier and some are on another part of the same mountain you are referring to. That you were able to get straight past them and to your summit in such a quick time is commendable and like I have said " Great Effort" and I honestly mean that......let's face it...no mountain is easy to climb and we are all experts with hindsight. Your attacks on other tuners on here are nothing more than disgraceful and a person like you with as many smarts should be able to construct better arguments for your favourite tuner than to state that others can't tune! As I said in our phone conversation it only makes you look small and does no Justice to the proffessional people doing your work to come on here and belittle others efforts and position on the mountain. You have been in motorsport a long time and it surprises me to see you make the sort of statements you do....whether you think they are good intentioned or not.

Think back over the posts you put up before HC and ask yourself what reaction you would have to them....while you are questioning yourself...think about WHY people want to rip your efforts apart......sure you made your point but quite obviously you pissed some people on the way. while we are at it let's do the math on the set up....to an off the street fella..
Mafless Tune $1500
Spooled 4.10:1 rear $1200
Weld wheels and slicks $3000
Cold Air mods $200?
Cat Back $450
Labour to fit all this $500?

It is far from a cheap deal isn't it...sure it doesn't have every bell and whistle but to emulate it is still going to cost more than a tune isn't it?

Take this post for what it is worth Darren...I KNOW you are capable of better than what you have displayed recently....

Again..Top effort on the 12's...you made your point. :cheers:

Holy dooley HQ. Youve got the bull by the horns. It was not Delco I was refering to. I would hazzard a guess and say everybody that has bought edit would have done a lot of dyno runs on one car when they first got edit to work out where and how to get the best results. IE the same as you mentioned to me about taking a bit out here and there gave you a better launch with less spin. That is called development. I would be surprised if a customer walked off the street into Delco and he didnt get it very close to spot on in the first or second download. That is where talent shows through. Delco basically bought the car, tuned it, threw in a few bolt ons and busted the 12 sec barrier 12months ago. Do you really think I'd be that big a dickhead to critisize that effort. I
My point is people flog the hell out of their cars on Dyno's looking for 1 or 2 hp. And yeh I was one of them 2 years ago until somebody said to me stop wasting time on a dyno, they are a tuning tool. Hey that was you!! I have seen cars at shops get 20 back to back runs chasing the elusive power figure. Seems a waste and a lot of strain on the car. Have also heard of road tunes which could be dangerous. Not all of this is LS1's its cars in general.

My can't tune comment hasn't been out of the bag for a while, remember you and Dan were also being questioned about the Mafless increase (20hp) as well and my point was if you cant tune mafless properly you wont get the gain of a mafless tune. The reverse comment was that there had been Zero difference between tests of Maf VS MAfless. I wont bring it up again as will will upset plenty, but one set of numbers quoted were rubbery. Delcos 20hp gain was more believable to me as I had seen 10 to 15hp Mafless over maf, thats why I made the comment that Delco had the runs on the board with his car therefore "I" was more inclined to believe him. You once commented that I was being to kind to people, now you say I am too harsh. ****! I promised myself I wouldnt use maf or mafless for at least a week and here I go again.

As far as cost to do it
Tune $1500
Diff borrowed from Craig (GTS)
Wheels (borrowed from Plan B)
Slicks Plan B
Cat back was going to the tip as a customer upgraded so pete put it on as he didnt like the standard sound.
Paint tray cold air borrowed from Craigs autos
Labour by My dad and Pete

We all often lend and borrow bits and pieces from each other. I often lend wheels and tyres to people to try on trackdays etc so they dont waste their money before they try it. We are very cost focused here and instead of us all buying the same things and finding they dont work, one person will buy it and many will try. For Example, I have Als tailshaft, Al has my shocks, Craig has my C4b heads I have a diff and cold air of his. No point leaving all this crap sitting in a garage when somebody can use it. We are enthusiasts sharing the same passion so why not share the expense. That way if someone likes it they can buy one for themselves. Its a bit like try before you buy. I wish people were doingh this 2 years ago. Would have saved a lot of money. Even offered to lend a blower to a melb guy to try before he made a mistake and bought the wrong one that I did.

PS if Bullshit is put up I will always ask the question. The Maf vs MAfless was a great example. If someone leads with their chin and says their test have shown no difference, and somebody says it does of course I and many others want to know which answer is correct and this was never answered in that thread. Why didnt I keep pushing it? I was told it was likely I would get another Forum Holiday.

Getting tired of typing. Call me if you want to have a razz.

[Plan B]

Where are we with all this?

Perhaps we should all work on a draft proposal.

“Australian LS1 Full Street Trim Unopened Engine Class” (Draft)

*Vehicles must have original stock engine fitted unopened.
*Transmission to be what came with the car either A4 or M6
*Standard Intake Manifold
*Maximum street legal width treaded DOT tyre only.
*No slicks
*Must have original glass with all windows operational
*Fibreglass panels limited to bonnet and boot lid.
*Original chassis only, no modifications permitted. Must retain standard suspension and factory location. No fabricated control arms, 4 Links, ladder bar rear ends or chassis connectors
*Standard wheel tubs must be retained unaltered. Outer lips may be rolled
*Must have current registration
*Exhaust must exit from rear of car and include cats.
*Must not have spool diff.
*All seats and door trims must be installed.

It’s only a draft, and an attempt to set a cheap for all guideline.

Comments, additions or deletions anyone? :)

[HRTSEN]

Hi

TO PLAN B: That is a good set of guidelines. However my car does not fit into that class as my passenger side rear window has been malfunctioning since the day my car was purchased new :errr:

Original stock engine fitted: That would put all the piston slap rebuilds out of the equation!:bounce:

regards,

Richard
CLUBTAXI

[vxchev]

What about diff gears?

[pdv666]

Excelent, some progress.

The draft sounds ok so far to me but, should you also include a fibreglass boot lid? i thought a bonnet only because if you are after a desired cosmetic effect sometimes you have no choice.

Have we established that drag radials are permitted such as Nitto, BfG etc...

If its a street car that means it should be able to pass any RTA inspections.

[Plan B]

Keep em comin... we can compile them all at the end. Richard... fix that window... ;)

[Plan B]

PS. I reckon higher stall convertors should be in too.

As far as the dealer rebuilds go... Of course that's ok. Just no cheats allowed. It's like playing golf and fishing in comps. Self regulated achievement stuff.

[juzzy]

Gee's, I almost feel guilty running slicks when the car run 12.68 in an uncracked state at Heathcote. Did I go about it the wrong way, do people think I've sort of cheated in some way?

questions, questions, questions regards Justin

[strife]

is there really that much interest in this class

what about the pointy end of the field pro ls1

[WA VTGEN111]

Originally posted by Plan B
Where are we with all this?

Perhaps we should all work on a draft proposal.

“Australian LS1 Full Street Trim Unopened Engine Class” (Draft)

*Vehicles must have original stock engine fitted unopened.
*Transmission to be what came with the car either A4 or M6
*Standard Intake Manifold
*Maximum street legal width treaded DOT tyre only.
*No slicks
*Must have original glass with all windows operational
*Fibreglass panels limited to bonnet and boot lid.
*Original chassis only, no modifications permitted. Must retain standard suspension and factory location. No fabricated control arms, 4 Links, ladder bar rear ends or chassis connectors
*Standard wheel tubs must be retained unaltered. Outer lips may be rolled
*Must have current registration
*Exhaust must exit from rear of car and include cats.
*Must not have spool diff.
*All seats and door trims must be installed.

It’s only a draft, and an attempt to set a cheap for all guideline.

Comments, additions or deletions anyone? :)

All these sound fine for a draft proposal. But i get back to what i said earlier.


Originally posted by WA VTGEN111
Getting back to the original topic
All sounds easy - but the more you look into this the harder it gets. Before you know it you'll end up having a rule list /book as big as a bible.
.

And does this suit the majority???

Any set of rules like this can't be policed???

Surely we should be happy, trying to go as fast as we can Acording to a budget, mods list etc. In the fast list as it currently is.:)

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by strife
is there really that much interest in this class

what about the pointy end of the field pro ls1

Judging by the amount of flack thrown at the cars the ran slicks, I think there is a lot of interest in this class.

As far as Pro LS1. I think it is open cheque book, open class. Maybe that should be discussed in another post.

Juzzy your time was great. :thumbsup: Slicks or no slicks

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by WA VTGEN111
All these sound fine for a draft proposal. But i get back to what i said earlier.



And does this suit the majority???

Any set of rules like this can't be policed???

Surely we should be happy, trying to go as fast as we can Acording to a budget, mods list etc. In the fast list as it currently is.:)

Majority?? There would be more LS1 stockers than cammed cars on the road I would imagine. It's not just about the fast list. I know plan b didnt even bother putting the SV8 in the list. It's just a voluntary checklist between enthusiasts. Anybody that cheats will get found out eventually. Theres no prize so no real reason to cheat. Its just a bit of fun. If it is only the Sv8, Juzzy and Club VX that do it then fine, it's no skin off anybody elses nose.

You have a very quick car as well as Delco's. Delco's was the one for everybody with an unopened engine to chase for the last 12 months. I have no doubt he will be the same with his blower set up as well, tune it, run it and lay down a time for everybody with a blower to chase.

Just my thoughts and I didn't bag anybody!

[r8ls1]

What is the big thing with unopened. You still bolt a heap of stuff to it. The car is no longer stock anyway.

What about 6 classes for the whole lot..........

'Street Trim' 346ci (N/A)
'Street Trim' 346ci (Blown/Turbo)

'Street Trim' 350ci+ (N/A)
'Street Trim' 350ci+ (Blown/Turbo)

'Race Only' 346ci (N/A)
'Race Only' 346ci (Blown/Turbo/N2o)

'Race Only' 350ci+ (N/A)
'Race Only' 350ci+ (Blown/Turbo/N2o)


'Street Trim' - Car must be road worthy and must be raced as it is driven everyday, on street tyres, with stock suspension design, to qualify for this class. All other modifications allowed.

'Race Only' - All modifications and trailer queens allowed, no rules. Except, Original body shell to be retained.

edit: I cant count, make that 8 classes :doh:

[Plan B]

Originally posted by strife
is there really that much interest in this class

what about the pointy end of the field pro ls1

Well I reckon there is. :)

A lot of what HQ has to say is true. I’ve enjoyed reading his and Darren’s posts. It is very a relaxing read…. A little like a Club Med Holiday. We all went for walks along the beach in the morning, got to dip our toes in the waters edge whilst keeping away from the sand kicking bullies, followed by some mountain climbing in the afternoon with some more relaxing philosophical statements in the evening and the food! How good was that? Spaghetti topped with extra chilli sauce.

Indeed the track attacks are getting a little more serious these days and a little more serious than what the average bloke can relate to. The simple fact is that the quicker ones are virtual shop representatives.

I reckon there should be a consistent place for the true street car with a little set of guide lines in place even if it just used as an introduction to the strip. Keeping it legal and off the street is a good thing yeah?

Juzzy! It took me all day to get what you got. Congratulations….

[WA VTGEN111]

Originally posted by r8ls1
What is the big thing with unopened. You still bolt a heap of stuff to it. The car is no longer stock anyway.

What about 6 classes for the whole lot..........

'Street Trim' 346ci (N/A)
'Street Trim' 346ci (Blown/Turbo)

'Street Trim' 350ci+ (N/A)
'Street Trim' 350ci+ (Blown/Turbo)

'Race Only' 346ci (N/A)
'Race Only' 346ci (Blown/Turbo/N2o)

'Race Only' 350ci+ (N/A)
'Race Only' 350ci+ (Blown/Turbo/N2o)


'Street Trim' - Car must be road worthy and must be raced as it is driven everyday, on street tyres, with stock suspension design, to qualify for this class. All other modifications allowed.

'Race Only' - All modifications and trailer queens allowed, no rules. Except, Original body shell to be retained.

edit: I cant count, make that 8 classes :doh:

The problem is and always will be determining "STREET TRIM"
A case in point is the Street Machine Mag top street car times - held by cars that haven't /would never pass a roadworthiness.

[r8ls1]

Damn Pete you got that quote in quick :D

[Plan B]

Originally posted by r8ls1
Damn Pete you got that quote in quick :D

I'm all fingers when that shit happens! :D

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by WA VTGEN111
The problem is and always will be determining "STREET TRIM"
A case in point is the Street Machine Mag top street car times - held by cars that haven't /would never pass a roadworthiness.

Nup, it can be simple. Std type suspension, std diameter and width rims/tyres, and full exhaust. Full interior.

In other words if it looks and drives like a std model (except quicker) , and you can drive it everyday rain hail or shine across the country with 5 people in it, it qualifies. Doesnt have to pass emissions etc.

[RIDE:42]

Originally posted by r8ls1
Nup, it can be simple. Std type suspension, std diameter and width rims/tyres, and full exhaust. Full interior.

In other words if it looks and drives like a std model (except quicker) , and you can drive it everyday rain hail or shine across the country with 5 people in it, it qualifies. Doesnt have to pass emissions etc.

what about the ute,s =2 people coupe,s=4 :kapow:

[Red CV8 R]

From a nobody the guidelines discussed sound right on the money. When i think about this type of racing I think of a car that you can take for a cruise on a saturday night, drive to work on monday morning and then race on wednesday night at WSID all without making any changes. You dont brown your daks when a cop pulls you over, still get decent fuel economy and can go for a fang up the old pacific hwy with big brakes and good suspension. Even if it rains, hails or snows... Well rains!

Then again I guess after you achieve these goals you end up wanting more and start adding the race bits and heading down the path you experienced guys have completed! But as I said in a previous post this is what I want in a car and may be completely different to what others are after or the consessions they are willing to make. I mean to alot of you guys bolting off big brakes, changing shocks and adding slicks is nothing but at the moment it is not what I would want out of a car. Plus I am not at all trustworthy with a spanner! :lol:

[BlownCV8]

Jarret:lol: The only thing that does not comply to me is the browning of the daks bit. The rest is still acheivable with a hipo car:yup:

have done the, drive to track and run mid 12's thing with the street setup.........just, now I'm after the best this set up(and myself) can do.

I understand what your saying and you have not knocked others on here..........as you have stated once you acheive a certain goal you set others.....all good.

Just sick of the people that complain about a qik car cos they cant afford it, or mommy wont let them spend the doh or you ran slicks or you didnt use a maf or there is no skill in driving fast in a straight line caper......for **** sakes this is a forum. I for one want to read about the exploits of anything quick............As for the people chasing a different goal to me I have not knocked, and I expect the same in return.

[Red CV8 R]

Anyone who knocks a time that someone else has achieved is a tool. I hope I dont come accross that way I have been interested in this stuff for a long time and just compare results and I know how hard this stuff can be but I like to compare what people have done to what I want to achieve. There is no wrong or better way of doing this stuff just different goals as you said. Some people just get caught in a whole mine is better then yours scenario. Waste of time IMO. I wont get close to what most guys on here achieve, but I must say I love your car and what it has done and it makes me want to do similar things to a Monaro! :burnout:

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Justice R8

Getting tired of typing. Call me if you want to have a razz.

speek to you at the WSID opening.....

[r8ls1]

Originally posted by RIDE:42
what about the ute,s =2 people coupe,s=4 :kapow:

Yeah them too.

[Justice R8]

Originally posted by HOWQUICK
speek to you at the WSID opening.....

What are you bringing across? Hopefully not an Iron Bar:D

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Justice R8
What are you bringing across? Hopefully not an Iron Bar:D

you will have to wait and see...but the only bar I will be bringing is between my legs...won't be risking Airport Security again after my last trip over there.....:doh:

What would I need an Iron Bar for anyhow Justice?:confused: Wouldn't a milky bar cover most of NSW?;)

[Plan B]

Originally posted by HOWQUICK
Wouldn't a milky bar cover most of NSW?;)

It is Club Med! They even put a little milky bar under your pillow at night.

Nice. :)

[Criso]

Originally posted by HOWQUICK
you will have to wait and see...but the only bar I will be bringing is between my legs...won't be risking Airport Security again after my last trip over there.....:doh:

What would I need an Iron Bar for anyhow Justice?:confused: Wouldn't a milky bar cover most of NSW?;)

Look forward to finally meeting you John. Has that part come through yet ?

Cheers Criso

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Plan B
It is Club Med! They even put a little milky bar under your pillow at night.

Nice. :)

Club Ped? Isn't that where MJ holidays? Hope he doesn't get the Milky Bar Kid staying over for a night!!:eek: Far out he would be able to head up the Mardigras then!:(

[HOWQUICK]

Originally posted by Criso
Look forward to finally meeting you John. Has that part come through yet ?

Cheers Criso

I wish Criso...will get on and see what is happening with UPS!:mad: