BA XR8 Ute goes 13.26 with UniChip

[KiWi]

as it says guys. At Calder tonight.

Bolt ons, street tyres (i think) and a UniChip. I think its an Auto.

13.26 no other details as yet but its on FF.

Simon

[YIIR8]

Phase II ????

[KiWi]

XR8 ute! thats why im amazed. has ran a 13.4x without the UniChip.

Also a XR6T PhaseII last week, ran a 12.5x at 113mph on street tyres :eek:

Simon-

[VooDoo]

The Strap-on is slowing him down :)

[motomk]

Is this BossV8/Rodderz ??? or is it one of the Pursuit Utes???

[F6Mauz]

It's Rod in a Pursuit.

[YIIR8]

Phase II ????

Oops.....XR8 not 6.

[VX8255]

Simon, Rod's ute is a FPV Pursuit ute with the Boss 290 motor, not the 260 Boss that the XR8 has. It's like the difference between the standard(in various form) LS1 motor and the GTS motor. Which means bigger cams, different comp, etc.
Although at the end of the day this is still a really good time consdering Rod couldn't get under 14.00 for quite a while. But whats more impressive is the 108 MPH, I think that will get him into high 12's eventually.

[VX8255]

Rod's ute is also auto.

[BossV8]

Yes it was a good time, a year ago everyone (including me) wouldnt of thought any BA with just cai, zorst and a piggyback tune would go far under 14. The mags didnt even get sub-14 with a properly run-in car, for me it's just the reasons of

a) getting used to driving a heavier dohc car, and
b) getting used to the actual drag racing

My xr8 ute started off at high 14's (i know....effin shiezen) but now it's down to 13.6@104.9 with the same mods (just more kays). Hopefully next time i'll see a 10th or so wiped off with a better 60' (best so far is 2.13) and a few different trials and see what happens.

Our lardy-dah BA's seem to be getting the same if not similar results compared to an LS1 with the same mods

[VX8255]

Are you the OFR test driver?
Yes, it's true the Boss motor seems to be making similar/dare I say greater power bolt-on modded to the LS1. It looks like theres going to be a great battle on our hands!

[STATIE]

What does a stock GTS/CB4 (no CAI-no exhaust-no chip/edit) run on the 1/4?
This would be the equivelant to the 290.

The Boss 290's with similar claimed power to the GTS's have always been a dissapointment as far as I'm concerned.

As far as the BA's getting similar results to the LS1's - Doubt it!!!

Quite a few stock internal LS1's in the MID 12's now.

It's those pesky phsst phsst turbo's that are the ones to look out for
(If theyre modded)

The day one beats the Statie I'll change my mind.

[Craig]

What does a stock GTS/CB4 (no CAI-no exhaust-no chip/edit) run on the 1/4?
This would be the equivelant to the 290.Mine did 13.2 @ just under 109mph in 36deg at heathcote with only mod no reso, if i could do it over again stock with what i know now and the practise i've had 12's no doubt.

Boss my :moon: :lol:

They have to start somewhere though, few years ago we were all there :yup:

[motomk]

What does a stock GTS/CB4 (no CAI-no exhaust-no chip/edit) run on the 1/4?
This would be the equivelant to the 290.

The Boss 290's with similar claimed power to the GTS's have always been a dissapointment as far as I'm concerned.

As far as the BA's getting similar results to the LS1's - Doubt it!!!

Quite a few stock internal LS1's in the MID 12's now.

It's those pesky phsst phsst turbo's that are the ones to look out for
(If theyre modded)

The day one beats the Statie I'll change my mind.


I think what was ment Statie was that the BA V8's are getting very similar results to what the GENIII's where getting when they had been released this long. I remember 13.4 being the best GENIII for a long time!(disregarding the Nitrous cars!) Then Edit and various other bits and pieces came along and 12 is the norm now!

motomk

[markone2]

What does a stock GTS/CB4 (no CAI-no exhaust-no chip/edit) run on the 1/4?
This would be the equivelant to the 290.

The Boss 290's with similar claimed power to the GTS's have always been a dissapointment as far as I'm concerned.

As far as the BA's getting similar results to the LS1's - Doubt it!!!

Quite a few stock internal LS1's in the MID 12's now.

It's those pesky phsst phsst turbo's that are the ones to look out for
(If theyre modded)

The day one beats the Statie I'll change my mind.


:) Two of these ran at WillowbanK last Wednesday night ,quickest run achieved 14.4.....did not catch the mph....

[VX8255]

I don't want to start WW3 here but, what I said before was that they making similar/more? power. I was not talking about quarter mile times(I know I'm in the drag racing section). I know for a fact theres a GT manual out there with 270rwkw which was achieved with only exhaust, piggyback computer and CAI. Is this easily achieved with the C4B with similar mods?
And for not being as fast on the quarter, remember the weight of these cars. There considerably heavier than ours and remember they don't have edit. And remember the car mentioned is auto too with factory torque reduction set into the gear changes. And Craig is your car a M6, I bet it is, to achieve these times I bet you were slipping your clutch to 4000-4500rpm on launch which if executed properly will act like a decent stall. What are we getting out of our stock stalls 1200-1400rpm on launch with maybe a flash to 1600-1800 on take-off, not good for our 60' times.
And Statie quite a few unopened(N/A, no nitrous) cars in the mid 12's, how many? I know of one on this forum which does this, with the assistance of a 2800 stall, 3.9 gears, RE55's and one of the lightest (weight wise) models on the market (no offence to the owner of this car). I know for a fact(non C4B/freak engines) most bolt on cars are running mid to low 13's, with some occasionally breaking into the high twelves.
I don't want to start a shit storm or a holden vs ford war, I'm just stating the facts and what I've seen.

[Craig]

Mine is manual yes, as for launch between 2500-3000rpm. Was approx 2800rpm launch for example at the nats.

There is a fair few 12's getting around for bolt on's these days, majority would be a4's.

Bringing dyno figures into it is never gonna work, im sure i could find a dyno that would say mine was 280rw and another which said it was 250rw, too many if's and but's with dynos.

[Plan B]

Yes it was a good time, a year ago everyone (including me) wouldnt of thought any BA with just cai, zorst and a piggyback tune would go far under 14. The mags didnt even get sub-14 with a properly run-in car, for me it's just the reasons of

a) getting used to driving a heavier dohc car, and
b) getting used to the actual drag racing

My xr8 ute started off at high 14's (i know....effin shiezen) but now it's down to 13.6@104.9 with the same mods (just more kays). Hopefully next time i'll see a 10th or so wiped off with a better 60' (best so far is 2.13) and a few different trials and see what happens.

Our lardy-dah BA's seem to be getting the same if not similar results compared to an LS1 with the same mods

What do they weigh?

[-shady-]

I don't want to start WW3 here but, what I said before was that they making similar/more? power. I was not talking about quarter mile times(I know I'm in the drag racing section). I know for a fact theres a GT manual out there with 270rwkw which was achieved with only exhaust, piggyback computer and CAI. Is this easily achieved with the C4B with similar mods?
And for not being as fast on the quarter, remember the weight of these cars. There considerably heavier than ours and remember they don't have edit. And remember the car mentioned is auto too with factory torque reduction set into the gear changes. And Craig is your car a M6, I bet it is, to achieve these times I bet you were slipping your clutch to 4000-4500rpm on launch which if executed properly will act like a decent stall. What are we getting out of our stock stalls 1200-1400rpm on launch with maybe a flash to 1600-1800 on take-off, not good for our 60' times.
And Statie quite a few unopened(N/A, no nitrous) cars in the mid 12's, how many? I know of one on this forum which does this, with the assistance of a 2800 stall, 3.9 gears, RE55's and one of the lightest (weight wise) models on the market (no offence to the owner of this car). I know for a fact(non C4B/freak engines) most bolt on cars are running mid to low 13's, with some occasionally breaking into the high twelves.
I don't want to start a shit storm or a holden vs ford war, I'm just stating the facts and what I've seen.

Good post, i agree i always thought the BA boss cars were slow compared to the LS1s "unopened" but after runing a few on the street recently ive been supprised at how well they go, there was a GT at heathcote on sunday and after he stoped skating it 3/4 track and got some good launches it was quite impresive his best was a 13.5@103mph 60 ft 2.0 i left early so he might of even gone quicker. IMO with experience and practice the times will keep falling.

[BossV8]

Plan B, the pursuit in question weighs over 1900kg (as weighed on a weighbridge with 1/4 fuel and driver)....yes they're heavy

Statie, by saying the BA was similar to LS1's in times, what i meant by that was an LS1-eqipped SS with only CAI and zorst-same as what we've got. Sure,. there are guys that have run faster, and it's not a ford v holden contest but the times for Ls1's with these mods have generally been high 13's (check thread on "drag times with only CAI & Zorst") The bad thing with BA's is they need more power to counter the more weight

Interesting to note regarding weight- Wheels mag has listed a Caprice with 245kw LS1 as being 1780kg (closer to BA), but has a 1/4 time listed as being 15.0. Now by no means do i believe a mag is taken as gospel but what would say a 230rwkw LS1 run with another 200kg stacked on board? (serious question)

[Plan B]

1900kg's Awesome time and MPH! :cool:

[STATIE]

Plan B, the pursuit in question weighs over 1900kg (as weighed on a weighbridge with 1/4 fuel and driver)....yes they're heavy

Statie, by saying the BA was similar to LS1's in times, what i meant by that was an LS1-eqipped SS with only CAI and zorst-same as what we've got. Sure,. there are guys that have run faster, and it's not a ford v holden contest but the times for Ls1's with these mods have generally been high 13's (check thread on "drag times with only CAI & Zorst") The bad thing with BA's is they need more power to counter the more weight

Interesting to note regarding weight- Wheels mag has listed a Caprice with 245kw LS1 as being 1780kg (closer to BA), but has a 1/4 time listed as being 15.0. Now by no means do i believe a mag is taken as gospel but what would say a 230rwkw LS1 run with another 200kg stacked on board? (serious question)

Furry muff,
didn't realise the ute's were heavier than a Statie even (just looked in Motor) bit of an eye opener really.

But still the car in this thread has a Unichip and other mods on top of its original 290 - what has it got at the rear now?

My Statie has got 235rwkw and has run a 13.03 (with my missus driving :limpy: ) and i believe it has a 12 in it in its current form.

Sure its got a cam in it but it is actually smaller than a CB4's so I would say this would be compareable to a Boss 290.

Your time of 13.6 with a XR8 260 - CAI and exhaust I would say is more impressive than a Boss 290 - Unichip - CAI + exhaust doing a 13.26

[BossV8]

Your time of 13.03 is pretty awaesome too for a statesman- particularly on the missus' behalf! we need more of them!

I havent weighed my ute, but maybe mine takes a bit of gain back due to the pursuit having a hardlid (which ide guess would be around 50-60kg or so?), whereas mine has the standard tarp, plus the pursuit has extra body kit too

[SSbaby]

Very impressive results. The Boss V8s have obviously come a long way in the last 6 months. I was one of the non-believers but credit where it's due. Well done to those in the Ford camp. ;) If they could get them to rev a bit more they would be even quicker.

BTW, I've run against a Boss 260 ute and cleaned him up very easily from a rolling start. I've run against two XR6T's (one auto, other manual) and we were neck 'n' neck up to 100km/h. I reckon my car is capable of high 13s only but I'd like to find out...

[BossV8]

I used to want some extra rpm's up high, but from what i'm hearing from some tuners the rev limit is already near the limit. There is a GT with a limit up to 6200rpm that hasnt had dramas, but some other companies have said rods and other bits can let go no far above that.

Looks like we'll have to improve the revs that we've got by doing mods, and so far they seem to be working pretty good. Right now we're at what the LS1's were at a few years ago! Some diff changes should see a low 13

[rodrocket]

greetings all
the ute in question here is a 290 Pursuit as Roddez has stated & has a weight of 1840 with no driver & 6 Kms to empty on the display

prior to the Unichip being fitted it had 242.6 Kw @ the rears on G&D Performance dyno & ran 13.44 @ 107 Mph

the only change has been the Unichip, prior to fitting this it was run on the dyno at A.P.S. dyno were it ran 244.5 Kw @ the rears & after the Unichip was fitted & tuned it went 256.4 @ the rears

as for Holden Vs Ford i dont think you can fairly compair these cars due to the big difference in weight, the torque tags on the Boss engine & the fact that the Ford suffers from a diff ratio change & that the Auto carnt be stalled up any more than 1400 in the Pursuit

thanks to Glen & Matt from G&D Performance to get this hunk of lard moooooving

regards
rod

[SSbaby]

Good effort Rod! :)

Granted it's a heavy car BUT running with so little fuel over the rear wheels, wouldn't some extra weight over the rears help with traction on the ute?

[STATIE]

prior to the Unichip being fitted it had 242.6 Kw @ the rears on G&D Performance dyno & ran 13.44 @ 107 Mph

thanks to Glen & Matt from G&D Performance to get this hunk of lard moooooving


Jeez why didn't you say your a G&D boy. :D

I'm one of their groupies too :stick:

Cancel my first post please moderators.
I was obviously temporarily not in complete control of my actions.

Stupendous times :thumbsup:

Unbelievable MPH. :cheers:

I guess even you Ford guys cant be that bad then. :flip2:

So G&D are branching out into fords now? :box:

Did they do the Unichip?

Maybe I need one in the Statie too :lol:


Did I put enough smilies in???

[markone2]

I'm one of their groupies too :stick:

Did they do the Unichip?

Maybe I need one in the Statie too :lol:





:doh: You see the ramifications that come from having a liquid lunch :lol:

[SSbaby]

Peter's sidekick from APS did the Unichip fine tune. There's a link to it on FF. :)

[VooDoo]

My Caprice with a Tune, 3.7's in the diff, twin 2.5 Exhaust and MCAI did a 13.8 @ 102mph and 2.1 60ft

Stock Auto, Stock Cam and on street tyres. Car is 1750kg dry + fuel (50kg) + me (120kg) + junk in the boot, spare etc (50kg) so im nudging 2000kg

223rwkw and in a heavier car. I didnt let the tyres down or change the setup from what it was when i drove it there.

[rodrocket]

Good effort Rod! :)

Granted it's a heavy car BUT running with so little fuel over the rear wheels, wouldn't some extra weight over the rears help with traction on the ute?

greetings all
the car wasnt run with only 6 Kms to empty, thats just how it was weighed, i normally have around 120 - 130 Kms to empty when i run the car mainly because i had fuel starvation on a run a little while ago with just on 80 Km's to empty

regards
rod

[BossV8]

Rod, perhaps you should tell them about your other car...that is powered by a CHEV? And runs 10.5's letting off at half track?

[VX SS]

Chev Monza sounds nice.

Quick question Boss how come on your timeslips section none of the XR6Ts actually have a time slip for there claimed times. This is not a flame but was interested in there intermediatte times mph.

[rodrocket]

Rod, perhaps you should tell them about your other car...that is powered by a CHEV? And runs 10.5's letting off at half track?


there aint much to tell as all apears to be known, i am still trying to sort the car & am only trying to get the 60' times down & for the car to run straight, so far the 60' times are the best it has gone is 1.5 but i still need to drop that a little more, as for ET i went 10.62 @ 118 Mph last week on a soft pass as i was well off it by mid track & ran it over the line at 4700 Rpm

i guess when its all sorted it should run in the 9s but as for how far in the 9s is anybodies guess

regards
rod

[BossV8]

Chev Monza sounds nice.

Quick question Boss how come on your timeslips section none of the XR6Ts actually have a time slip for there claimed times. This is not a flame but was interested in there intermediatte times mph.

not sure, lack of scanner i guess. I havent got a scanner either maybe a digi cam could be taken if it came out clear

[VX8255]

My Caprice with a Tune, 3.7's in the diff, twin 2.5 Exhaust and MCAI did a 13.8 @ 102mph and 2.1 60ft

Stock Auto, Stock Cam and on street tyres. Car is 1750kg dry + fuel (50kg) + me (120kg) + junk in the boot, spare etc (50kg) so im nudging 2000kg

223rwkw and in a heavier car. I didnt let the tyres down or change the setup from what it was when i drove it there.
BA XR8 auto over 2 ton with this driver and fuel 13.80, :bash: 102.48mph :bash:

[BossV8]

Am i game to mention that IF the BA's were the same weight as it's comparible Holden model, the tables would be turned? It seems that those LS1's that weigh close to 1800kg's, and the same power as an xr8 or GT/pursuit, will be slower most of the time?

Then again, if for example the BAXR8 were to weigh 1650kg, the power wouldnt be 260kw as the weight reduction would mean the car would have enough speed to be labelled as a GT etc.

For the weight of the cars though, it shows the BA's are still making good power to the ground with pretty high mph

[Big Mick]

Quick question Boss how come on your timeslips section none of the XR6Ts actually have a time slip for there claimed times. This is not a flame but was interested in there intermediatte times mph.

Mmmm, can't speak for the other XR6T owners but I've just been slack.

I will remedy that now (mine anyway).

Cheers,

Mick

[BossV8]

dont worry mick, i can vouch for that 12.48 pass you did at heathcote last week on streeters while everyone else was struggling for grip

Not bad bang for ya buck out of the aps stage 2 eh?

[KiWi]

dont worry mick, i can vouch for that 12.48 pass you did at heathcote last week on streeters while everyone else was struggling for grip

Not bad bang for ya buck out of the aps stage 2 eh?

Me too. fantastically quick car.

12.48 @ 115 i believe.

it went vvrrooooooommmmmmmmm

Simon