VX v VY

[mark22]

what are everyones thoughts on VX v VY?
pros and cons of both
also has anyone had any trouble with buying from a government auction,
x cop cars etc.
thanks all for your opinions

[ssswindler]

Belive me dont by a ex cop car. By the time we are finished with them there stuffed and I believe that it seriously effects future resale.
Go to the auction and get a senior govt excetives ss eg Telstra musch safer bet.

[Evil LS1]

And there are no M6 cop cars - all shitboxes. Can't drive and eat donuts with M6.

[SPJ]

And there are no M6 cop cars - all shitboxes. Can't drive and eat donuts with M6.

We have M6 cop cars down here in Mexico...

[jsttry]

If you can afford it and don't mind the looks, go the VY. It is more refined and feels a lot better. Search the forums, it has been discussed various times before.

I brought a VS V6 cop car from the Govt auctions in the NT in 1999. 2yo, 26000km. Get the VIN and the govt fleet manager may be able to give you the history of the car, that's how I found out what mine had been used for before I purchased it.

[kaniSS-81]

I would want a Commy with a VY front and a VX back shaped into one :)

The Vy back looks like shit with the triangle lights but the front looks bloody nice and mean.....and the VX front looks like shit with those bubbly lights and the back looks whicked....so ill mix and match them and come up wth my own design :)

[markone2]

Flame me if you want but the VX is showing its age and with retail exec's now selling at under $15,000 this reflects on the entire range...just my view.

[Oompa]

Go to the auction and get a senior govt excetives ss eg Telstra musch safer bet.

Telstra car.... hmmm DON'T, trust me :cool:

[XLR8 V8]

I love the shape of my VX and I'm glad I waited for the series 2 to get the extra bits like control link etc. I initially hated the VY overall (mainly the back) but I must say it has grown on me now and I quite like them.
VX
Pro's - get the series II and you'll have all the mechanical good bits that the VY has anyway for a fair bit less $$. Ability to install aftermarket stereo head unit with hassles. Can get a M6 Exec LS1.
Con's - the latest VX is now a couple of years old and wear and tear will be rearing it's ugly head - although many of the problems that pop up as the kms climb may have already been fixed by the previous owner.

VY
Pro's - Even the first of the series 1 shouldn't have all that many km's on it yet. Current shape. Better paint quality IMO.
Con's - Style is an acquired taste. Series 1 has new dash etc which may have some quality control issues before series 2. Aftermarket stereo install requires a bit more effort than the VX due to shape. Can't get an M6 Exec LS1.

Buying an ex-cop car is not an issue if you're willing to accept that there will be more wear and tear than on a private vehicle with the same km's. Don't expect it to be in pristine condition and you shouldn't be disappointed. There may also be some limitations on warranty and from memory they don't have a LSD(?). However, the money you save on buying an auctioned ex-coppa could go into pulling the motor down and giving it a freshen up, overhaul the g/box, get the diff checked out and replace any interior bits that have holes in them.

[ROARZ]

Markone2 - consider yourself flamed. :D Oh, did I mention that I'm a vx owner? I've often thought about upgrading, but I've kinda locked myself into the VX for now. Really like the dash, climate control, and seats in the VY SS though.

VX
Pros: cheaper to buy, curved lines (personal taste), don't feel any warranty guilt when it gets modified. Already on it's way to being a classic. :)
Cons: Older, perhaps more miles, hastn't got the latest factory goodies

VY
Pros: "new" style (only until VZ comes out, then it'll be old again), SS trim is much better than VX model. Trip computer, dash, climate control, rear suspension.
Cons: More expensive, styling provokes a great love/hate reaction (particularly the rear end).

There's not a lot in it, as you would expect from one incremental model to the next, but there is a difference. I think it'll come down to dollars versus a few extra refinements, which of the body kits you like better, and the quality of the cars that are presented to you to purchase (take a 20,000 k perfect condition VX over a 60,000 okay condition VY unless you want the refinements in the VY).

Thanks,
Brett

[markone2]

Markone2 - consider yourself flamed. :D Oh, did I mention that I'm a vx owner? I've often thought about upgrading, but I've kinda locked myself into the VX for now. Really like the dash, climate control, and seats in the VY SS though.

Thanks,
Brett



:flame: ............ouch :bawl:

[Mongy]

Had both, (utes) VUII and now VYII, loved my VU to death but would not give back my VY, it's better, you've just got to get over the styling. I drive my nephews VUII sometimes but even though his is modified and mine is still factory stock I still like getting back in mine.

[gjohnson]

Have to agree with mongy , I also have had both (utes) and the vy is superior in countless ways. Not to mention the extras ( 6 stacker cd, climate control with leather, speed dependant volume on the stereo and most important the groovy in dash cup holders).

[Swordie]

The VY is technically a better a car. There are mechanical similarities between the VY and VX. The VY had money spent on areas that can't be seen such improving the structure of the body, probably adding to a more refined feel.

Reading past posts in this forum, people who have had a VX and traded up to a VY say they feel better. It all depends on your budget, they both drop in value, the VY will have warranty, some VXs will not.

You may be better to state your requirements such as budget, features required and how long you are prepared to keep the car. When you comparing a second VX with a VY they are potentially depreciating at the same rate. Over the life of keeping the two cars there may not be a big difference in keeping the two models.

A good exroller such as an SS VY series 1 with 40,000 km I’m assuming would cost more than 32K at auctions (not including on roads). The last time I looked at ex cop cars they did not come with a factory warranty. A new SS VY 2 if you are not fussy and are patient to look around can be had for 41K with factory warranty. The deals on new VYIIs are getting better with the up coming release of the VZ.

[filaretos]

its so much up to the individual. i looked at SS both VX and VY took both models for a spin and liked the VX . Not knocking the VY its a great car nice interior but it all came down to tastes I love the curves...nice round curves .Its like tastes in the opposite sex some like blondes some dont.... Sure the VX is beginning to age but looked after it looks quite god.

Dont buy a Highway patrol car. Not as worked as they used to and they get thrashed as well you will have lots of little holes in the interior..

[mark22]

Im looking at getting a V6 executive sedan, have found both the VX and VY at the auctions for between $15000 and $20000. What problems should i be looking for as at a auction you cant test drive the vehicle? I will only be holding onto the car for a few years before trading up to a newer model.

[Swordie]

Im looking at getting a V6 executive sedan, have found both the VX and VY at the auctions for between $15000 and $20000. What problems should i be looking for as at a auction you cant test drive the vehicle? I will only be holding onto the car for a few years before trading up to a newer model.

I would advise against the white ex cop cars as these were probably used for patrol duties. Also check if the car has any factory warranty. There should be plenty of V6s for sale.

[2Hands]

Im looking at getting a V6 executive sedan, have found both the VX and VY at the auctions for between $15000 and $20000. What problems should i be looking for as at a auction you cant test drive the vehicle? I will only be holding onto the car for a few years before trading up to a newer model.

Mate if you are buying a VY exec for under $20K there is a good chance they will be ex renters, nothing wrong with that just worth a think. Still if you're only keeping the car for a couple of years, go with the model that will have new car warranty untill 2006, really will give you piece of mind when buying at auctions.
That would make it a VY. :)

[Roger]

Have to agree with mongy , I also have had both (utes) and the vy is superior in countless ways. Not to mention the extras ( 6 stacker cd, climate control with leather, speed dependant volume on the stereo and most important the groovy in dash cup holders).

SSVYI does not have climate as standard, nor did it come with climate when you ordered leather.
In dash cup holders are also SSVYII.

Most useless feature of VYI (& I have one), vehicle speed sensitive intermittent wipers. One of the more useless inventions along with an ashtray on a motorbike.
Berlina (I think) & Calais have a twist knob to adjust speed yourself, which base commodores even in a VK used to have, but some nerd in Engineering obviously decided to split the equipment levels with his own invention & it is a shocker.

Otherwise, a VY will win hands down if you are fine with its looks plus anecdotal evidence (read a dyno day with stock VYI's & stock VXII's) suggests they have more kw than the factory indicates & maybe even the I is beter than the II.......

[SASLS1]

VYII = VT series 6, only joking. I personally like the VX dash and steering wheel alot better than the VY. I think the VY steering wheel is pox IMO. Didn't like the VY that much at first, but can't get enough of it now. Still the VXSS front does it for me.

[markone2]

Mate if you are buying a VY exec for under $20K there is a good chance they will be ex renters, nothing wrong with that just worth a think. Still if you're only keeping the car for a couple of years, go with the model that will have new car warranty untill 2006, really will give you piece of mind when buying at auctions.
That would make it a VY. :)


He speaks the truth :)

[mark22]

the VY's i found at auction were not a ex renters

[IH8WRX]

I looked at updating my VX SS series II to the new VY SS when it came out. I test drove one and yes whilst I will admit it handled slightly better then my VX did when it was stock suspension, I wasn't impressed at all with it. The front looks nice, the rear looks terrible and the interior colour design in the cloth trim is even worse :spew: . I didn't mind the dash layout although it was very similar to the bosses 2001 Barina, including the steering wheel.

Personally I think in years to come the VX SS will have a better resale value and be more popular then the VY SS. If you can pick up a 2002 plate VX SS but the additional 3yr warranty then you will be set until 2008. I haven't had any problems with mine and have 20,000km on the clock. Although mine is far from stock I haven't had a single issue with it and it's miles ahead of my VS SS to drive also in every aspect.

[clixanup]

VYII = VT series 6

More like VB series 20.....

:lol:

[mark22]

has anyone bought a ex cop car from auction? they would be well maintained wouldnt they? would they be thrashed anymore than other lease or rental cars? anyone know how all the lights and aerials are attached and would there be damage when they are removed?
thanks

[IH8WRX]

Ex highway cars are ok. I mean they are serviced regularly even tho they get driven hard. You will find screw holes in the dash usually on top and near the gear stick as that's where the control panel for the lights/sirens are and also hooks for two-way. If it's an unmarked chaser some will be in the rear parcel shelf from the covert lights. Also look on top and underneath the top of the front bumper bar as they have the front flashers mounted there too. Only some screw holes tho and a front bar is only about $200 new. At least you get the benifit of better or I should say more wiring abilities for extras if you like to add later on. Always a good idea to pay close attention to the under carrage tho as they can sometimes be used as caged trucks and they bare the physical eveidence of it to. It's amazing how an SS Commodore can mount a centre concrete median strip 20cm high and :D

In N.S.W. I'm resonably sure country LAC's could request manuals but they are rare. Kind of dangerous to your health expediting, talking on the two-way, changing gears and everything else to contend with when you're "one up".

[mark22]

what about the lights and sirens on the roof, how are they attached, and where do the wires go to them?

[IH8WRX]

what about the lights and sirens on the roof, how are they attached, and where do the wires go to them?


OK it depends on the state which you want to buy from as to the lighting system they use. N.S.W. and Q.L.D. Highway cars mostly use the Hazard Industries M9000 and that is mounted to a Rola Roof Rack which in turn is mounted to the roof usually by the gutter racks. The cable then runs down the side pillar withoout holes and the KR-10 mounts on the side without leaving any damage. Vic and S.A. use the single rotating light with loud speaker for public address but once again it's roof rack mounted too. The holes on the dash and centre console are easily fixed, but the bloody helicopter I.D. signs can be a pain in the ass to remove completly so you will need to have the car given a real good buff all over, especially the roof and bonnet. You might have to replace or repair the seats tho as the glocks and cloth don't mix real well and you will notice a worn patch on both sides of the drivers seat and maybe the passengers too. Blame the Glocks and the Saf locks for that.

[markone2]

the VY's i found at auction were not a ex renters

:) How do you tell?.......the books are not exactly stamped with *Budget* or
*Avis*

[COSMOS]

:) How do you tell?.......the books are not exactly stamped with *Budget* or
*Avis*

yes but the suspension towers generally are stamped with a marking - i know for budget it used to be "B" in an octagon. Dont know for certain if it still happens.

[COSMOS]

In N.S.W. I'm resonably sure country LAC's could request manuals but they are rare. Kind of dangerous to your health expediting, talking on the two-way, changing gears and everything else to contend with when you're "one up".

oh but it is possible - try driving a fully covert surveillance vehicle with no sirens/lights, talking on a two way via a discreet mic button, changing gears, expediting (which may involve excesssive speed, red lights etc) AND taking happy snaps with an SLR AND operating the black box that changes how the headlights and tail lights appear to the target whilst EATING a cheeseburger WITHOUT getting burnt by the target or pulled over by the local car crew. Who says my car isnt my office?

[mark22]

thanks 4 everybodys thoughts and opinions :)