Excessive Acceleration - NSW Police Verified!

[Davidm]

A friend of mine was booked for, wait for it, 'Excessive Acceleration'! Didn't spin the wheels, didn't exceed the speed limit, didn't get it sideways, just gave his HSV Senator 185i a stab of the right peddle, as we all do from time to time.

Whats next? Fined because you car looks faster than a 1981 Corralla 1.8 carby 3 speed auto? Geez we'll all fined for walking to fast soon! :confused:

[Fabio's CV8]

How much was the fine?

[IH8WRX]

Well, I'm sorry to inform you but it gets much worse. In N.S.W. any Police Officer can suspend your drivers licence on the spot, if the Officer deems your driving negligent, careless, wreckless or dangerous. Every N.S.W. Police Officer has this power and as I said can suspend your licence on the spot for any reason they see fit. For example some have been suspended for doing 10km over the limit outside schools. It gets worse tho, as the Officer can recommend to the N.S.W. R.T.A. that your licence be suspended for up to a period of 1 year. It's not B.S. it's all true. This rule came into effect in the middle of last year, and has been used on numerous occassions already. Yes that's right the Police are now "protectors, judge and jury". You don't even get a chance to go before the magestrate if they suspend it on the spot, as they can suspend you immediately I think it's for something like 2wks, before they take further action if they so wish.

So becareful as it is a law so don't get caught.

[Davidm]

The fine is $178.00.

Well if ever get done for something as ridicualous as this, I'll have my day in court, one way or another!

[onezero]

That'd be contestable in court surely? If there is no loss of traction/control, and you do not exceed the speed limit - how can this so called excessive acceleration be measured? Is there a certain amount of m/s^2 you cannot exceed?

[Drizzt]

A few years back, a bloke I used to work with was done for exactly the same thing in his GSR Lancer. He launched off the lights with no wheel spin and got off the gas at 70km in a 80km zone but was pulled over and fined $105 or $115 with a loss of 1 demerit point. He ended up taking it to court and having it thrown out.


Drizzt

[nthnbeachesguy]

Hmmmmm there is way too much power invested in these so called police. They can wreck someones future over something so trivial, its all just such a wank. Does anyone remember that excellent movie "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas in it???? All these laws and legislation is eventually going to drive somebody to something similiar.

I dont think that the law makers in this country will be happy till we are all driving toyota prius' electronically governed to less than 80kmh and a uniformly slow acceleration quotient. F**K them all. Maybe i should buy a large tract of land in a forgotten corner of the country and build roads on it where anyone can drive and accelerate as fast as they want, i think the popularity of a p[lace like that might open some eyes. Then when it really takes off build houses and declare it a seperate nation such as Hoonland ha ha ha ha. Hmmm i will shut up now. :bash: :lol:

[VRIIClubby]

Yes the police can suspend your licence however it has to go to court within a month of it being suspended (normally the two week time frame though), So if they suspend it on the spot for something like that then you will haveyour day in court.
I think this fine is called "Furious Driving" because i was pulled over for the saem thing around 4 years ago in my old car, had the same arguement with them "didnt break the speed limit, didnt break traction" then they said furious driving and i started laughing at them, lucky not to get fned...

[SSbaby]

A ridiculous law in this day and age....

Granted, the 185i doesn't have traction control but a lot of cars these days have it standard. It's high time the laws were revised or kept up with automotive technology.

[dean]

Yes the police can suspend your licence however it has to go to court within a month of it being suspended (normally the two week time frame though), So if they suspend it on the spot for something like that then you will haveyour day in court.
I think this fine is called "Furious Driving" because i was pulled over for the saem thing around 4 years ago in my old car, had the same arguement with them "didnt break the speed limit, didnt break traction" then they said furious driving and i started laughing at them, lucky not to get fned...


As long as its not "Fast & Furious Driving" - some of these laws are getting rediculous. What next - fine pedestrians for furious walking :rolleyes:

[VooDoo]

you could fine epedestrians for speeding these days. With 40km/h limits coming some ppl can run that fast. Are they going to be fined too? What about ppl on push bikes? Speeding tickets too? They dont seem to worry about stopping for red light cameras etc.

Exactly what law was broken when you accelerate quickly? as you said, no spinning, excessive noise, loss of traction or sideways movement. Furious driving doesnt seem to be an actual law. They can only uphold real laws not imaginary ones

[XR8Chic]

A mate of mine got done for "unecessary aceleration" in his camaro.
He rides a harley now - hasnt been picked on since.

[ls1350]

It seems to be an ALP thing!!!

every state has its dumb laws but NSW headed by Bob (hitler)carr
they want to beat us down at every chance they get.

NSW the police state! :mad:

[IH8WRX]

you could fine epedestrians for speeding these days. With 40km/h limits coming some ppl can run that fast. Are they going to be fined too? What about ppl on push bikes? Speeding tickets too? They dont seem to worry about stopping for red light cameras etc.

Exactly what law was broken when you accelerate quickly? as you said, no spinning, excessive noise, loss of traction or sideways movement. Furious driving doesnt seem to be an actual law. They can only uphold real laws not imaginary ones


Mate you most certainly can be fined for speeding on a push bike, also riding a bike intoxicated (D.U.I.) and that even includes riding a horse in public too, also using a mobile phone on a push bike and a horse. Reason being is that you are to obey all road rules and are classified as a vehicle on the roads.

[muzza]

Hmmm - i wonder when they will make an "acceleration camera" and install it at every set of lights - got to be on a winner there. I reckon Vic will be the first state to install 200 of them around the metro area. :D

If this law exists, how come every motor bike isn't fined every single time they take off with the cops watching (Aus post bikes excepted ;) ). Just about any half decent bike will out accelerate all normal cars on the road.

Typical moronic law that should have been ditched years ago. Gotta give the coppers something to bash an otherwise innocent motorist with if you cant get them for something else........ :lol:

[Rod]

Reason being is that you are to obey all road rules and are classified as a vehicle on the roads.

what you are saying is technically correct, but it is laughable from the viewpoint of someone who sees cyclists riding around Sydney CBD every day. I swear if it wasnt against the law I'd have those little flying ace marks on my drivers door for all the cyclists I could of killed because they were not obeying the law. :mad:

I wouldnt mind sharing the road with them so much if they shared it better with cars.

[olddicko]

Just another quick one for you guys sort of on this topic... This just happened to me, and trust me i fought it but to no avail...

Had a bit of a bingle in the SS. Cops came and they breath tested me. I was under the limit but I had had a few drinks at a mates place. I thought yeah no worries, i'll cop a bit of a fine for the prang, whatever, but i also received a DUI charge to boot. It is apparently a new law of DUI, not PCA... It is up to the cops judgement. Even if you are under the limit, like i was, you can still get done for this 'cover all bases charge' of DUI. I lost my licence on the spot for 14 days. I thought this was a lot of BS so I got a solicitor, which turned into enlisting a barrister as well, you name it i tried it..Numerous court attendances later, and to keep a really long story short, not only did i get a neg driving ticket, but a loss of licence for 15 months for the DUI. (it was longer then most tho because this is now my 2nd time round, it would have been between 6 - 12 months for 1st offence, which in my opinion is still wrong :mad:

[Malik]

Yes that's right the Police are now "protectors, judge and jury". You don't even get a chance to go before the magestrate if they suspend it on the spot, as they can suspend you immediately I think it's for something like 2wks, before they take further action if they so wish.

So becareful as it is a law so don't get caught.


man I tell ya.. if I ever get pulled over by some big guy with a face like Stallone with a badge that says Dredd... Im selllin the car and buyin a bike..!

[VX2VESS]

man I tell ya.. if I ever get pulled over by some big guy with a face like Stallone with a badge that says Dredd... Im selllin the car and buyin a bike..!

than fine you on your bike too, which looses points on your licence, you can't win.

[vxcalaiszzz]

I'm confused..how am I goin' to get to work tomorrow:

Can't go by car: excessive speed, excessive accelaration, excessive noise (not to mention excessive pot holes on crap Sydney roads, excessive 4WD's so I can't see the road ahead of me, excessive blondes in hot 4's cutting me off when I merge lanes, excessive speed and red light cameras)

Can't go by public transport: too unreliable plus need to travel by another mode of transport to get to the bus/train station

Can't go by motorbike, horse or pushbike: don't have one, and if I did refer "Can't go by car" above

Can't ride pushbike on pathway: not allowed

Can't go by air: noise restrictions

Can't go by boat: don't have one

Can't walk: there's no footpath that goes all the way from my house to work and I can't j-walk.

WTF
:confused:

Anybody want to go halves in a Tardis or particle transporter ('beam me up Scotty')?

[IH8WRX]

There are so many weird laws it's not funny. It's like the law of say you take off at a set of traffic lights and then as soon as you hit the speed limit you slow down. They call it "time trialing" and it to is illegal. It's a victimless crime, rather like "exessive acceleration".

Olddicko, I know what you are saying. I went to "Harry's" in Brisbane a few months ago for the very first time. I was waiting to drive in when the lady in front in this clapped out old VK wagon with towbar rear ended the car in front of her twice. All of a sudden I heard her rev the hell out of the engine, saw the reverse lights come on and BANG....... before I could even hit the horn she had reversed into me. The crowd turned on her massively. The Police turned up as I confiscated her licence as I could smell intoxicating liquor on her breath. The Police were fantastic. Now her car was unregistered, she was unlicensed for other P.C.A matters and unpaid fines. She blew .25 in the side of the road :eek: . To make matters wose she had her 3mth old baby in the car too. She then had the hide to ask the Officers if they could garentee the saftey of her baby in the Police car. Well both officers let rip bigtime at her. They took her back to the station where she played up for two hours and they still got her at .19 :eek: . Child was taken into Family Support care. It cost me $600 all up to fix the damage (new front SS bar and reo-bar all painted and fitted). All she got was another 1yr on top of what she already had and that's it.

I'm out of pocket $600, being 28 it would cost me more for insurance excess, but the thing that really makes me angry is that the Police can and will take our cars for drag racing but she got to drive her car home (which she also did until the Police found out she did). Talk about bloody two faced laws in society :confused:

[Obe Wan Nafe]

(it was longer then most tho because this is now my 2nd time round, it would have been between 6 - 12 months for 1st offence, which in my opinion is still wrong :mad:

Did you ever think thats why you lost it on the spot? My feeelings on drink driving is 1 strike and your out old son. You should count yourself lucky your not behind bars.

[borry]

Anybody want to go halves in a Tardis or particle transporter ('beam me up Scotty')?

Cant go by transporter... too many particles moving well and above the stated speed limit of light, too many particles accelerating too fast to get to the designed destination within a pre determined time frame, too many particles period. increase taxes to fund new infra-light teleportation acceleration cameras..... or something along those lines anyway...

[onezero]

'Time trialing'... So you're concious of the law, and obey it, but because you're having a bit of fun for about 4 seconds - it's illegal.

[VX2VESS]

see vic is testing new drug testing devices that can give an answer on the spot as well

[VooDoo]

Just another quick one for you guys sort of on this topic... This just happened to me, and trust me i fought it but to no avail...

Had a bit of a bingle in the SS. Cops came and they breath tested me. I was under the limit but I had had a few drinks at a mates place. I thought yeah no worries, i'll cop a bit of a fine for the prang, whatever, but i also received a DUI charge to boot. It is apparently a new law of DUI, not PCA... It is up to the cops judgement. Even if you are under the limit, like i was, you can still get done for this 'cover all bases charge' of DUI. I lost my licence on the spot for 14 days. I thought this was a lot of BS so I got a solicitor, which turned into enlisting a barrister as well, you name it i tried it..Numerous court attendances later, and to keep a really long story short, not only did i get a neg driving ticket, but a loss of licence for 15 months for the DUI. (it was longer then most tho because this is now my 2nd time round, it would have been between 6 - 12 months for 1st offence, which in my opinion is still wrong :mad:

And due to the DUI your insurance is no longer valid. By law you need to notify your insurance company as well and your little bingle just got a whole lot more expensive :(

[IH8WRX]

'Time trialing'... So you're concious of the law, and obey it, but because you're having a bit of fun for about 4 seconds - it's illegal.


Yeah it really is stupid. The Police here are really heavy on this. A mate recently had some good engine work done and wanted to test it out. So we had to wait til 2am in the wee hours of one morning and do a scout run down the road with mates who we positioned at points as our sentries with two-ways so he could get use to it and get the feel for it. Now he didn't go over 130km/hr, all he wanted to do was get use to the take off etc etc. Some people might say that's what a dyno or track day is for but you can never get the proper feeling of driving on a road on a dyno, and track days cost a fortune these days. If you race on the roads at excessive speeds like the twits in imports do at speeds in excess of 140km/hr then you deserve to get booked and lose your car that's fair enough.

One a similar note, a tech from my local GM dealer got booked for speeding when he was testing a customers car on the M1. The customer told him it had like a flat spot in it at about 100-110km/hr. The tech got booked for doing 125km/hr. Two weeks later the same Police Officer came into the dealer with a similar problem, that being under hard acceleration it had like a falt spot at about 110km/hr. The tech said not much I can do about it because I can only drive 110km/hr legaly so you and your collegues might have to fix it yourselves :lol: . They said the Officer didn't know what to do and was very red faced :D

Revenge is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :D

[Malik]

Anybody want to go halves in a Tardis or particle transporter ('beam me up Scotty')?


man they'd probably do you for illegal parking when you reappeared.

[Obe Wan Nafe]

If you race on the roads at excessive speeds like the twits in imports do at speeds in excess of 140km/hr then you deserve to get booked and lose your car that's fair enough.




WHy is everyone that drives an import a twit? Lets be honest here, and call a spade a spade. water is wet, sky is blue, speeding is speeding.

[IH8WRX]

WHy is everyone that drives an import a twit? Lets be honest here, and call a spade a spade. water is wet, sky is blue, speeding is speeding.

I wasn't refering to ALL import owners as twits, however it is a fact in S.E. Q.L.D. that the vast majority of impounded cars for illegal street drag racing and actually illegaly organised street drag meets are import owners, hence the reason why Q.L.D. Police and D.O.T. are so hard on import owners. Some import owners have opnely stated and challenged the Police to try and catch them. The core group call themselves the 300+ club, reason being as they can and have reached speeds in excess of 300km/hr + on public roads, most noteably the M1 and use other people to deliberately block the public and police from catching them by forming a rolling blockade on the road.

[SSbaby]

It seems to be the case that a lot of import drivers leave their brains in their garage... ditto the VL turbo drivers :D

Seriously, what's with these 'brrrr whoosh' drivers, especially those who drive white Nissan GTRs? Just yesterday I had this twit (young dude by another discription) accelerate to pull up alongside me in the left lane (Hume hwy at just under the limit of 80km/h) just to get my attention...nearly ram up the backside of the car ahead...he then ducked down behind me...accelerated past me using the right lane only to turn left at the intersection 200m further up...WTF? do they seriously believe they own the road?

For some reason these twits... err drivers do not exercise "common sense". Is there a good reason for this?

[MyCat-cc]

A friend of mine was booked for, wait for it, 'Excessive Acceleration'! Didn't spin the wheels, didn't exceed the speed limit, didn't get it sideways, just gave his HSV Senator 185i a stab of the right peddle, as we all do from time to time.

Whats next? Fined because you car looks faster than a 1981 Corralla 1.8 carby 3 speed auto? Geez we'll all fined for walking to fast soon! :confused:

Excessive Acceleration is what you get when our lazy cops hear about a special at krispy kream :flipoff:

The exact opposite to what you get when calling 000 to report a burglary in progress and the f?cks turn up 2 HOURS LATER :mad:

[Esci]

Geez, I ride a motorbike...I best take off in 6th from now on....

[Phido]

Hello, and welcome to Australia, the land of stupid laws, idiotic enforcement and injustice. 2 Hours later? Nothing, try 5+ hours for a murder and attempted murder. Some times days after a home invasion.. Your car got stolen? Let me type it up on the invisible typewriter..

The law is powerless to help you, not punish you.

George had it all wrong.. Its not 1984, its 2004. I can't wait to have a telescreen installed in my car that reports back to the government with every infringment I make everyday (and if I don't make enough, don't worry, driving is now against the law).

We don't even need to commit thoughtcrimes, everything is a crime. We just live day to day, in crime, and wait for the thought police to drag us in strip away our humanity(free thought and control) and dignity(driving), our every essence(our job). Leaving us naked and powerless.

WAR IS PEACE


FREEDOM IS SLAVERY


IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


Right now Im trying to brush up on newspeak, or as its sometimes known, politically correct writting. No doubt airing such ideas, might brand me a terrorist, which means, no trial for me, just a quick hanging.. Its not that I intend to be evil, its just I am having problems complying with being good.

Truely fantastic times we live in.

[SV8VY]

Well, I'm sorry to inform you but it gets much worse. In N.S.W. any Police Officer can suspend your drivers licence on the spot, if the Officer deems your driving negligent, careless, wreckless or dangerous. Every N.S.W. Police Officer has this power and as I said can suspend your licence on the spot for any reason they see fit. For example some have been suspended for doing 10km over the limit outside schools. It gets worse tho, as the Officer can recommend to the N.S.W. R.T.A. that your licence be suspended for up to a period of 1 year. It's not B.S. it's all true. This rule came into effect in the middle of last year, and has been used on numerous occassions already. Yes that's right the Police are now "protectors, judge and jury". You don't even get a chance to go before the magestrate if they suspend it on the spot, as they can suspend you immediately I think it's for something like 2wks, before they take further action if they so wish.

So becareful as it is a law so don't get caught.Actually the NSW RTA has the power to suspend you for a period of 5 years now...and that no joke.
You can apeal this in court and most likely win as the judges dont like the RTA to over rule them.
If you are like most young people though and move house frequently you will incure the 5 year period as you would not have received the paperwork and gone to court during the alocated time.

[Devil CV8]

Had a bit of a bingle in the SS. Cops came and they breath tested me. I was under the limit but I had had a few drinks at a mates place. I thought yeah no worries, i'll cop a bit of a fine for the prang, whatever, but i also received a DUI charge to boot. It is apparently a new law of DUI, not PCA... It is up to the cops judgement. Even if you are under the limit, like i was, you can still get done for this 'cover all bases charge' of DUI. I lost my licence on the spot for 14 days.
DUI has always been around as long as PCA... PCA is for being over the prescribed limits, and DUI is, as you know, driving under the influence. DUI doesn't mean over the legal limit, just that your driving was affected, in the cops opinion.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/rtatma1999412/index.html

Section 39,40,41 are the ones to read

[SV8VY]

DUI has always been around as long as PCA... PCA is for being over the prescribed limits, and DUI is, as you know, driving under the influence. DUI doesn't mean over the legal limit, just that your driving was affected, in the cops opinion.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/rtatma1999412/index.html

Section 39,40,41 are the ones to read
Dont forget boys and girls that as an average it takes your body around an hour to get rid of 1 drink...so if you binge drink at night on a Sunday and drive to work Monday morning after a sleep you can still get done :eek:

[vh-holden]

Maybe i should buy a large tract of land in a forgotten corner of the country and build roads on it where anyone can drive and accelerate as fast as they want, i think the popularity of a p[lace like that might open some eyes. Then when it really takes off build houses and declare it a seperate nation such as Hoonland ha ha ha ha. Hmmm i will shut up now. :bash: :lol:

too late. it is called "the northern territory"

[Kirium]

too late. it is called "the northern territory"

...But it's not as good as it sounds.... Nor is it as popular as you'd think...

[Elite SS]

G'day All, I 'm new to your LS 1 Forum, reading your tpic I needed to post my thoughts.
Being a performance nut like the rest of you, The Goverment has made 2 laws, one for us and one for them and their friends.
Law : 1
FOR THEM AND THEIR FRIENDS
eg. John Singleton was caught doing 220 in his Bently and got of because his car was designed for that speed.
eg. Anita Keating (ex PM's Wife) was doing 80 in a 60 k zone and was let off on a first offence, no fine and no record.
eg.Steven steadtler ( the pencil tycoon's grandson) was doing 40 k's over the speed limit while on his L's, no fine and no convictions.
Law : 2
FOR US AND OUR FRIENDS
eg. booked for 6 k's over the limit.
eg. overtaking a vehicle doing 20 under the speed limit in a 100 k zone, then getting booked for doing 15 k's over the limmit for speeding.
eg. booked for acceleralting off the lights qicker than the car next to you.
eg. pulled over but not booked for driving to slow.
eg. defected a factory GT with mild spec's.
eg. booked for having arm on door while driving.

These are true facts experienced by me and my friends.
my previous ride was a VS 5 lite, got booked once in five years,
since I bought my VU SS 2 years ago I am now down to 2 Demerit points.

It's a tough world out their for us car enthuisiest, we just have to keep on THEIR side of the LAW, and we get to enjoy our rides longer.

[vh-holden]

...But it's not as good as it sounds.... Nor is it as popular as you'd think...

bah, humbug :p

[olddicko]

Devil CV8..
Thats a pretty interesting link, thanks.

Obe Wan Nafe..
My whole point of my post was to alert other members that even tho the police and RTA say you can legally have a certain amount of alcohal in your system and still drive, they should be alerted to the fact that if something happens they can still be fined and to be careful. I didnt say that drink driving was right, just that the police officers judgement will hold up in court no matter what reading you are.

Voodoo..
My insurance company knows, and your right, its become an expensive excercise..

[Jphdg]

I cannot believe what I am reading here. There are some laws in this country now that are so rediculous. I can understand if you are doing a burnout or just driving unsafe, but to take off with just a bit extra power to the rubber without being overboard, that is overboard.

These days you cannot even fart without being in trouble or it being noted in some way.

Sorry... my 2 cents worth of a whinge.
:lol:

[VX2VESS]

I cannot believe what I am reading here. There are some laws in this country now that are so rediculous. I can understand if you are doing a burnout or just driving unsafe, but to take off with just a bit extra power to the rubber without being overboard, that is overboard.

These days you cannot even fart without being in trouble or it being noted in some way.

Sorry... my 2 cents worth of a whinge.
:lol:

true.. the greenies are onto that farting.

[SSbaby]

These days you cannot even fart without being in trouble or it being noted in some way.
:lol:

Yep, you get voted out on Big Brother for doing that (not that I watch BB, of course) :1peek:

That's how bad the country's going... sheesh :booty:

[Davidm]

I'm confused..how am I goin' to get to work tomorrow:

Can't go by car: excessive speed, excessive accelaration, excessive noise (not to mention excessive pot holes on crap Sydney roads, excessive 4WD's so I can't see the road ahead of me, excessive blondes in hot 4's cutting me off when I merge lanes, excessive speed and red light cameras)

Can't go by public transport: too unreliable plus need to travel by another mode of transport to get to the bus/train station

Can't go by motorbike, horse or pushbike: don't have one, and if I did refer "Can't go by car" above

Can't ride pushbike on pathway: not allowed

Can't go by air: noise restrictions

Can't go by boat: don't have one

Can't walk: there's no footpath that goes all the way from my house to work and I can't j-walk.

WTF
:confused:

Anybody want to go halves in a Tardis or particle transporter ('beam me up Scotty')?

Classic! Lets all stay at home, that'll make Bob "the fun police" Carr very happy indeed! Or maybe not? All those devices above will become obsellecent as they are no longer needed, will make no money, and suddenly be a waste of tax payers money! :rolleyes:

[roo]

well just thought i'd give you my latest experiance with those wonderful mutherless police from nsw .driving 5k's under the limit on the pacific hwy 30k's south of the qld border,after driving from victoria .radar cop pulled me over for having my day lights on [vu ss ute] $80 arsehole ,qld cops want you to drive with them on!.can't win with the muther f------.

[IH8WRX]

well just thought i'd give you my latest experiance with those wonderful mutherless police from nsw .driving 5k's under the limit on the pacific hwy 30k's south of the qld border,after driving from victoria .radar cop pulled me over for having my day lights on [vu ss ute] $80 arsehole ,qld cops want you to drive with them on!.can't win with the muther f------.


Actually this fine is against the law to issue and the reason being it has something to do with the spread and width of the fog lights. I was actually told this by a current serving H.P Officer in N.S.W. OR you do what I do and play dumb and say "what fog lights?" "My car doesn't have any orange lights" and when the Officer tells you where they are just ask him to show you where the switch is and by that time he thinks you're a dill and lets you go :D. Worked 12 out of 12 times for me already :D

[Sidewindr]

Mate you most certainly can be fined for speeding on a push bike, also riding a bike intoxicated (D.U.I.) and that even includes riding a horse in public too, also using a mobile phone on a push bike and a horse. Reason being is that you are to obey all road rules and are classified as a vehicle on the roads.


Unless you ride the bike on the footpath ;) I don't think that the footpath is classed as road/highway :)

[joeboss]

It seems to be an ALP thing!!!

every state has its dumb laws but NSW headed by Bob (hitler)carr
they want to beat us down at every chance they get.

NSW the police state! :mad:

i must disagree with you there
after living in QLD for the last year and coming back to sydney yesterday i must say QLD police are the worst for traffic esp in the gold coast.

It feels good to be back in sydney no more 4WD traffic cameras and police with nothing to do except hand out tickets.

[Drizt]

Unless you ride the bike on the footpath ;) I don't think that the footpath is classed as road/highway :)

footpath is illegal.... unless its a BIKE way...

[IH8WRX]

Unless you ride the bike on the footpath ;) I don't think that the footpath is classed as road/highway :)

Sorry but in N.S.W. and Q.L.D. you can be done for these riding on a road, footpath, carpark etc etc. This was proven recently on an article on the channel 7's "Today Tonight" program where Q.L.D. pushbike riders where being issued infringement notices for $80 talking on their mobile phones whilst riding on footpaths and also roads. One even got one in a university carpark.

[Drizt]

DISCLAIMER... i live with a cop, i have about 5 cousins that are cops, several family aquaintances (spelling ?).... and they are all nice people.. BUT

if i hear the excuse "I only enforce the law and i'm doing my job" i will want to spew up on the cop on the spot...... It sickens me sooooo friggin much

If the cops have "So called discretion" then they have the choice to waive the obviously REDICULOUS laws.....

2nd Point.. Cops should have to have an exception level of intelligence, and as such should get paid accordingly.... Cops are way too STUPID... your average copper is just that, average joe, nothing more nothing less... you get 3 months training, and on the job experience.... Does anyone else see something wrong with that ???? My uni course is 5 years long, and a copper that has arguably one of the most important jobs gets 3 months training ?????

I think coppers should have to have an ENTER score of above 90... (victoria system.. better than 90% of other students).... This way we have more intelligent people enforcing the law.... As such they should get paid accordingly..... after finishing a uni course with an ENTER of that magnitude u would expect to recieve around 80K a year (after the first 5 years)....

3rd'ly - Coppers should spend less time revenue raising, and more time enforcing more important rules and having higher community appearance.



Coppers really have stop hiding behind the excuse " I'm only doing my job"

PiS#s me off no end

[Nawdy]

DISCLAIMER... i live with a cop, i have about 5 cousins that are cops, several family aquaintances (spelling ?).... and they are all nice people.. BUT

if i hear the excuse "I only enforce the law and i'm doing my job" i will want to spew up on the cop on the spot...... It sickens me sooooo friggin much

If the cops have "So called discretion" then they have the choice to waive the obviously REDICULOUS laws.....


Like you, I know police on a more social basis, and even shared a place with a motorcycle cop for quite a while (boy, could he ride!!!) and they don't necessarily agree with parts of their job.

Police are public servants and, just like the Defence Force, have rank structure, discipline and orders to contend with. The police you and I deal with every day are following the orders of a higher authority (I will follow that line in a moment) and are bound by oath to follow them. Could it just be possible that the scope of discretion that these officers have are governed by the orders of their superiors? Chances are their orders are quite explicit, and are left with no room for 'discretion'. And disobeying a directive - it could mean their job.

Yes, I agree some are somewhat "over-zealous" and seem to be in HWP a lot of the time (but not all - three I know are ex-HWP, now doing other jobs as Police and are very nice people), and these are the sort we tend to remember being car enthusiasts. And they want to get ahead in the Police Service. And some even get carried away by the culture within the HWP....

The superiors of these Police that we see everyday also have to follow orders - generally from that state's Police Comissioner. The guiding policies and focus for each area of operations also come from the Commissioner ie, their areas of responsiblities and the bounds in which they can operate. Also, generally at this level, senior officers are ambitious political animals trying to get ahead just like you and I. Read into this what you will.

Anyway, the Police Commissioner take their orders from the state politician in charge of law-and-order (also ambitious naturally) who, in turn, are told what to do by the State Premier and governing political party. These snakes - oops, sorry politicians - do what they can to stay in power for as long as they can, which also means managing the budget and raising revenue....

And so comes the question - should your anger be directed towards the officer doing what he has been ordered to do (being ordered gives you no choice), or to the political party who formulates policy? Politicans are hiding behind the police (like little kids hiding behind their dad), and are gaining political points and revenue from doing this. And we, the motorist, are paying for it while the cops take the flak. Politicans are snakes.

Sorry about the long post but felt I needed to make this point.

[RedR8]

if i hear the excuse "I only enforce the law and i'm doing my job" i will want to spew up on the cop on the spot...... It sickens me sooooo friggin much
Why? It is the politicians that make the laws - you vote the politicians into office. Furthermore, you know (or should be reasonably expected to know)the laws and chose to obey/break them. These laws are set by 'community standards' i.e. what the majority of the community expects.



......a copper that has arguably one of the most important jobs gets 3 months training ?????
I think you will find that is inaccurate - no matter what state you are referring to.



......Coppers should spend less time revenue raising, and more time enforcing more important rules and having higher community appearance.
Refer to point 1. Do you think that the officer in charge of each station makes the decision as to when to deploy RBT's / Camera's / etc or do you think this might be policy enforced by higher up? ie the politicians that you voted for.



Coppers really have stop hiding behind the excuse " I'm only doing my job".
It is your choice to break the law, not the police officers. Do the crime...do the time. Stop whining and get out to a track day and enjoy your car where it is legal to do so.


$0.02

Lachy

[SSbaby]

With all due respect, Cops are not robots. The police can use their powers of discretion. Some of the incidents described here are open to interpretation (by the sound of it).

Power does strange things to some people, not just referring to the police, but security, etc... The problems usually arise when power gets to their heads.

[Nawdy]

With all due respect, Cops are not robots. The police can use their powers of discretion. Some of the incidents described here are open to interpretation (by the sound of it).

Power does strange things to some people, not just referring to the police, but security, etc... The problems usually arise when power gets to their heads.

Yes they could - right up till their discetion is taken away from them. It happens when you wear a uniform.

Agree 100% re: power trips.

[Drizt]

It is your choice to break the law, not the police officers. Do the crime...do the time. Stop whining and get out to a track day and enjoy your car where it is legal to do so.


$0.02

Lachy

Sorry don't agree... Not all laws are explicit enough... laws need to have discrete values (integer, yes OR no, NOT DISCRETION BASED)..

ANSWER THESE:
Where have we been informed of:

example a) the start of this thread ... excessive acceleration ????? That is not a quantifiable law.... its not measured to a discrete value, its a discretion thing that is COMPLETE BUL#SHI#...

example b). Accidently leaving the rear L plate up after teaching a Learner how to drive..... $50 fine..... WHO THE HELL DOES THAT HURT, why should that induce a fine ??? STUPID, SIMPLY STUPID

examle c). Man sitting outside of his car eating a hotdog (bought from a hotdog stand he is standing in front of) gets fined for leaving his keys in the ignition (hes right next to it). The reason, INVITING THEFT... its utter crap.


i can think of countless STUPID DISCRETION BASED fines that i and others i know have recieved.....


SORRY but coppers do hide behind the "I'm only doing my job"....


Yes the people in charge of making laws should be shot, no disagreement there... but coppers are given discretion... AND THEY MISUSE it.....

Simply have discretion TAKEN AWAY....
LAWS must have discrete YES/NO answers.....

i could go on and on, shi$s me up the wall

[Bumfluff]

Classic! Lets all stay at home, that'll make Bob "the fun police" Carr very happy indeed! Or maybe not? All those devices above will become obsellecent as they are no longer needed, will make no money, and suddenly be a waste of tax payers money! :rolleyes:

Sorry, but the NSW government is doing a good enough job as it is wasting tax payers money without everyone having to stay home. :lol:

[Bumfluff]

footpath is illegal.... unless its a BIKE way...

Bike way? What's a bike way? Don't think those exist in NSW...... :lol: :lol:

[Nawdy]

Bike way? What's a bike way? Don't think those exist in NSW...... :lol: :lol:

There will be after Carr figures out where to put the redlight/speed cameras - obviously an intergral part in the planning and construction of a bike way!!! :eek: :lol:

[roo]

our police force doing a wonderful job...this arvo I saw 2 cops on push bikes in surfers paradise booking some poor old bastard for riding his pushie with no helmet.. years of training for this! law enforcement is working well on the gold coast,ps. dont get your house broken into though,, or your car nicked, cause no one gives a shit!!!

[Davidm]

It all goes back to the term "crime doesn't pay". It should now be "crime doesn't pay - police" (unless their bent of course). Catching car theives, house invaders and drugies doesn't raise any money for the police, further it costs the state money to trial them in court! Thus they have a new strategy of reidiculous laws that allows them to book the average wage earner 'aussie battler' so they can fund their own jobs!

They may as well just go work for the tax department!

[Nawdy]

Must be just a southern states or big city thing.

I had two scumbags break into my house while my family and I were asleep early this year. After our dog alerted us to the fact our home was being invaded (and scared the shit out of these lowlifes by the way they took off empty-handed), my wife rang the local police while I started to go after them. Probably wasn't a pretty sight seeing an extremely grumpy Mr Nawdy (I'm not the smallest bloke on the planet) and just kept going.

Police station is 3km away, and they were at my house in under 5 minutes, and immediately started searching for them. I was extremely grateful for them being so responsive.

Sorry if this is going O/T but community policing is alive and well in some parts of the country.

There are some really stupid laws around the place, but the police don't make the laws and if they are told to crack down hard on motorists for whatever reason, they follow orders. It's just that some of them get sucked into the gung-ho side of police culture.

[onezero]

George had it all wrong.. Its not 1984, its 2004. I can't wait to have a telescreen installed in my car that reports back to the government with every infringment I make everyday (and if I don't make enough, don't worry, driving is now against the law).

We don't even need to commit thoughtcrimes, everything is a crime. We just live day to day, in crime, and wait for the thought police to drag us in strip away our humanity(free thought and control) and dignity(driving), our every essence(our job). Leaving us naked and powerless.

Ah yes, doubleplusgood...

Don't some cars in the US already have black boxes which record speed, and gearing info? I recall some bloke getting jail time after he was doing some ridiculous speed in a residential area and hitting a little girl, then claimed he was only doing 10 or so over, when it was more like 60 over - the black box which was factory installed being the witness.

Anywho, in the end Winston loved Big Brother, so after a bit of brainwashing we'll cease to care anyway and love the laws!

[Davidm]

Thank God someone got some service!

My borther used to work for a Dominos Pizza place as a manager. He and another work mate were closing one night. Upon locking up they discovered some trailer trash vagrants throwing garbage bins at my brothers work mates car! They were also kicking the doors and all other kinds of stuff. My brother immediately ran inside and called the police whilst his work mate tried to save his car. In the end he got beaten up. When my brother got back out there, he scared them off. So how long did it take the Police to attend? At 2am it would take less than 30 seconds with sirens on for a police car to reach their store from the Station. So how long you ask again? Try 1.5 hours! Driving up slowly and no sirens etc.

:mad:

[plonkerchops]

Anyway, the Police Commissioner take their orders from the state politician in charge of law-and-order (also ambitious naturally) who, in turn, are told what to do by the State Premier and governing political party. These snakes - oops, sorry politicians - do what they can to stay in power for as long as they can, which also means managing the budget and raising revenue....

.

Are you sure about the Commissioner taking orders from the Pollies?
Theres been a big Bun fight just recently over here between the now gone Commish Barry Matthews and the Police Minister Michelle Roberts
There was a Royal Commission just recently into Police corruption and the Commissions recomendations were dismissed by the Police Commissioner
Him and Michelle Roberts had some public spat cos he wouldnt toe the line ...cos he didnt have to..... .MInd you I guess the Minister just starts pulling the purse strings to make everyone see her point of view except inthis case as Barry Matthews didnt give a rats cos he was leaving anyway
Also the Police Commissioner is the only public servant that cant be sacked by the Minister running the portfolio...........

[borry]

im not into politics in any way what so ever, it bores me, the people in there are wankers, and i really cant get interested in it however much i try. but how hard is it to get someone who isnt a complete tool into a role where they can control these sorts of activites from up the ladder so to speak. surely peopel would vote for a bloke with half a mind who would do the right things by the people ? like changing discretional laws, thats a really good idea, black and white decisions you shoudl allow police ot make, not have them decide whether ur foot is too heavy on the right pedal just by seegin your car go... but yeah in answer to my questions why doesnt someone decent get in there and have a dig and change a few thigns around ?

[Davidm]

Sad thing is you have to become a liar and dishonest to beat politicians at their game, which just makes you end up looking the same as them! A vicious circle!

[ls1350]

i must disagree with you there
after living in QLD for the last year and coming back to sydney yesterday i must say QLD police are the worst for traffic esp in the gold coast.

It feels good to be back in sydney no more 4WD traffic cameras and police with nothing to do except hand out tickets.

All states are becoming police states mmmm all run by the ALP.
they want to it dosen't matter wrong forum.

anyway what about the speed cam's,red light cam's,red light/speed cam's
and now the NOISE CAMERA'S thats right to get truck's at first the noisy cars
just like the distance/speed cameras on the highway


regards
Damien

[vxcalaiszzz]

All states are becoming police states mmmm all run by the ALP.
they want to it dosen't matter wrong forum.

anyway what about the speed cam's,red light cam's,red light/speed cam's
and now the NOISE CAMERA'S thats right to get truck's at first the noisy cars
just like the distance/speed cameras on the highway


regards
Damien

...what about the LS1 camera, automatically fines LS1 drivers. You are guilty until you go to court and prove you weren't driving too aggressively, too negligently, too slow, too fast, excessively accelerating, too noisy...

Holden will sell new cars with $1,000 factory rebate for fines.

Probably be sponsored by some lefty ,bike riding, dope smoking organisation.:flamin:

[SSbaby]

Sad thing is you have to become a liar and dishonest to beat politicians at their game, which just makes you end up looking the same as them! A vicious circle!

So true. Politicians and police aren't exactly good role models as far as being truthful, eh? The police would gain a lot more respect from the community if they stopped their sneaky tricks with their radar cameras. We're still waiting for a state government stop their greedy tactics with the fixed cameras.

I'm the first guy to warn on-coming traffic of awaiting police with radar. I don't see many motorists doing that these days. I know it is an offence to flash your lights but I can't feel good about something that I regard as being sneaky, dishonest and greedy as booking some motorist who creeps over the speed limit.

Further, I almost chucked listening to Eddie MacGuire on the Footy Show last night talking drivel about how the road toll is down because of the wipe off 5 campaign..he said that the road toll last month was higher because motorists were speeding. Must have had something to do with retaining TAC sponsorship for his club as one of his team's players was caught travelling 44km/h over the limit... :rolleyes:
:soap:

[LS1SS]

Read this internet site, some one has the guts to stand on a soap box for the common man, www.roadsense.com.au

[dean]

So true. Politicians and police aren't exactly good role models as far as being truthful, eh? The police would gain a lot more respect from the community if they stopped their sneaky tricks with their radar cameras. We're still waiting for a state government stop their greedy tactics with the fixed cameras.

Further, I almost chucked listening to Eddie MacGuire on the Footy Show last night talking drivel about how the road toll is down because of the wipe off 5 campaign..he said that the road toll last month was higher because motorists were speeding. Must have had something to do with retaining TAC sponsorship for his club as one of his team's players was caught travelling 44km/h over the limit... :rolleyes:
:soap:

...propaganda machine. :rolleyes:




I'm the first guy to warn on-coming traffic of awaiting police with radar. I don't see many motorists doing that these days. I know it is an offence to flash your lights but I can't feel good about something that I regard as being sneaky, dishonest and greedy as booking some motorist who creeps over the speed limit.


The other day there was a mobile speed camera on Blackburn Rd. Just about every car coming the other way flashed their lights. Just goes to show the number of people who are getting fed-up with the crap being pushed by our Pollies. They need to take a good look at what is being done in other countries with positive results!

:bash:

[Devil CV8]

I know it is an offence to flash your lights but I can't feel good about something that I regard as being sneaky, dishonest and greedy as booking some motorist who creeps over the speed limit.

I think you will find its only an offence to flash your high beam (and certain body parts :p ) so if you turn lights on/off then basically you haven't broken any laws...

[pat57l]

how ridiculous..... why can't the police concentrate on real crime, rather than focus on road patrol?

why don't they put the same amount of effort and enthusiasm into..gee....let me think...how about:- theft, junkies, assault,murder,etc.....

what is this state coming to?

[Devil CV8]

The NSW police powers to suspend your drivers license on the spot is set to be expanded to other traffic offences, one of which is exceed the speed limit by 45km/h.
Now
Booked for exceed speed limit by >45km/h. RTA suspend license when found guilty, either by paying fine or going to court.

Soon
Booked for exceed speed limit by >45km/h. Cop suspends license on the spot, which means you already are being punished even if you succeed in court action.

[IH8WRX]

The NSW police powers to suspend your drivers license on the spot is set to be expanded to other traffic offences, one of which is exceed the speed limit by 45km/h.
Now
Booked for exceed speed limit by >45km/h. RTA suspend license when found guilty, either by paying fine or going to court.

Soon
Booked for exceed speed limit by >45km/h. Cop suspends license on the spot, which means you already are being punished even if you succeed in court action.


Can already happen Devil. The law was passed in the middle of last year (2003) and it's at the officers discretion if they think you are reckless, careless, negligent or dangerous. Some people have had their licences suspended on the spot for driving at 55km/hr out the front of schools when they are 40km/hr zones. Some whom have dropped a skid in the local McDonalds carpark have not only had their cars impounded, but also had their licences suspended in the spot too. Like I said it's entirely at the officers discretion.

[Devil CV8]

I started another thread on this http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=302504#post302504


Can already happen Devil. The law was passed in the middle of last year (2003) and it's at the officers discretion if they think you are reckless, careless, negligent or dangerous. Some people have had their licences suspended on the spot for driving at 55km/hr out the front of schools when they are 40km/hr zones. Some whom have dropped a skid in the local McDonalds carpark have not only had their cars impounded, but also had their licences suspended in the spot too. Like I said it's entirely at the officers discretion.I realise that, but now they will be able to suspend your license for doing 156km/h on the hume highway (or any other dual carriageway road) with no traffic in good conditions,, in other words when it is perfectly safe to travel at those speeds..... Never heard of the doing 55 in a 40 zone license being suspended tho, although if it did in fact happen, I'd suggest the driver really gave the cop some attitude.

[IH8WRX]

Either way I still personaly beleive it's wrong, I mean it goes against our "Westminster" system of law which is innocent until proven guilty. I can honestly tell you this much tho, speed camera detected offences in N.S.W. are actually ilegal and are against the law. This has been proven in a court room already but was kept from the public. I know about this and I will go back now through my records and will post up the details of the entire matter for all to see.

[Devil CV8]

Either way I still personaly beleive it's wrong,.
totally agree..... Police officer discretion is a load of bull, as it depends on the sort of day they have had, how much attitude you give them as to what they will do.... The suspension of license or confiscation of vehicles should only ever occur after a guilty finding, either in court or on paying the fine... but then again, more people would take it to court then, wouldn't they.