FPV-GT, I just ate one !

[VX_CALAIS]

Hey Guys, gotta share this ...

Havn't been %100 percent happy with my mods as DYNO runs show less figures after my last 3 mods (WHAT THE??) Car felt stronger so went along. what happend today totally restored my confidence !!!

He had
FPV-GT, no passengers

I Had
My trusty VX Calais 206RWKW last run, one passanger and two twelve inche subbs in the boot.

Lined up at the lights, wasn't sure if this guy wanted to drag so when the lights went green I took off at half stick. The FPV jumped off the line and I knew it was on so I planted it :burnout:

MUCH to my surprise we were neck and neck for the first couple of seconds untill we had to change gear, mine being an auto was quick to change, his seemed to change quick but bogged down allowing me to get a car lenght in front and I just pulled away easily after that. I broke off at about 80k (the speed limit on that road), the FPV just kept on going out of sight (was he imbarrest?) REALLY happy with the result :D although the dyno doesn't show the big numbers, I'm happy with the power.

Next - try my luck at calder park !!!

[Ghia351]

(was he imbarrest?)

LOL, he could have been, if he knew what that was....

[Daz 27]

MUCH to my surprise we were neck and neck for the first couple of seconds

I broke off at about 80k

it takes the GT just over 4 seconds to get to 80km/h, do you really think he was racing you.

[markone2]

it takes the GT just over 4 seconds to get to 80km/h, do you really think he was racing you.

Well I do,unless of course the FPV was......

1/ On the bottle.....or
2/ being towed by another gen111 with a blower on board

Good grief.man those FPV's are all mumbo with no jumbo...now had the car been an XR6T....well that's a whole new ball game....imho

[BA$TAD]

The other day I kicked the ass of a GTS with my XT..... :rolleyes: :cool: :lol:

I don't think he was trying...sorry

[lowriding]

it takes the GT just over 4 seconds to get to 80km/h, do you really think he was racing you.


I reckon he would of been. Any even mildly modded LS1 would give a GT driver all sorts of grief . VX Calais claims hes dynoed 206 @ the tyres - given an auto trans and associated loss = roughly what 280-290kw in a lighter car , pretty easy kill really .

[HRT Stroker]

The other day I kicked the ass of a GTS with my XT..... :rolleyes: :cool: :lol:

I don't think he was trying...sorry

I'm guessing that this car is modded quite a bit.....??

If a GT Falcon is slower than a GTS LS1, then the GT owners gonna be pissed that the base model falcon is quicker than his top shelf factory racer!!!!!!!!

Pfft :confused:

[Rt!]

slightly off topic, what kind of power are the ford guys getting now?
Apparantly a chip, exhaust and some other bolt on mod and the GT-P can get around 290 at the rears? I didnt believe this but then some people have told me that they do have a bit of power, its just their weight that lets them down
cheers

[BA$TAD]

I'm guessing that this car is modded quite a bit.....??

If a GT Falcon is slower than a GTS LS1, then the GT owners gonna be pissed that the base model falcon is quicker than his top shelf factory racer!!!!!!!!

Pfft :confused:

sorry tounge in cheek :doh:

[Red CV8 R]

slightly off topic, what kind of power are the ford guys getting now?
Apparantly a chip, exhaust and some other bolt on mod and the GT-P can get around 290 at the rears? I didnt believe this but then some people have told me that they do have a bit of power, its just their weight that lets them down
cheers


I have been told around 250rwkw with those mods which is damn good power!

[whstato]

yer they go preety hard

my mate has a BA GT Falcon built by Ron Herrod himself who builds the DJR-320 and it was dynoed the other week at 405fwkw so they detuned it to 355fwkw to protect the motor. That thing is like the only ford i like.

[VX_CALAIS]

I've got the following mods on the Calais

Ported T/B
4" MAF pipe
Manaro CAI
HM Extractors
opened up CATS
Twin 2.5 Redback Xorst
LS1 Edit

The above got me around 220RWKW

But then I put on:
a KAAZ diff with 3.46 diff gears.
19" ROH rims with 245/35/r19 tyres
Tweaked edit with harder shifts

It felt quicker but only pulled 206 RWKW the next day at the DYNO ???

go figure :bash:

[falcon coupe]

slightly off topic, what kind of power are the ford guys getting now?
Apparantly a chip, exhaust and some other bolt on mod and the GT-P can get around 290 at the rears? I didnt believe this but then some people have told me that they do have a bit of power, its just their weight that lets them down
cheers

I have not heard of 290 at the wheels naturally aspirated, however good gains are being made for the GT, see dyno graph of 263 rwkw here:
http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=68478&highlight=rodderz

BTW i saw a GT on the dyno @ Hallam Performance a couple of weeks ago, it was bog stock, with 1500klm on the dial, it pulled 216rwkw.

[Ricko]

I have not heard of 290 at the wheels naturally aspirated, however good gains are being made for the GT, see dyno graph of 263 rwkw here:
http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=68478&highlight=rodderz

BTW i saw a GT on the dyno @ Hallam Performance a couple of weeks ago, it was bog stock, with 1500klm on the dial, it pulled 216rwkw.

216rwkw seems about right for a 290fwkw motor, its about what most VYII Clubbies are going at give or take 5rwkw i think.
i like the Boss motor, but some large rwkw numbers from them arent translating into the performance it should, more than just the extra weight i think, maybe it needs a few hundred more revs up its sleeve.?????

[rodrocket]

slightly off topic, what kind of power are the ford guys getting now?
Apparantly a chip, exhaust and some other bolt on mod and the GT-P can get around 290 at the rears? I didnt believe this but then some people have told me that they do have a bit of power, its just their weight that lets them down
cheers


260 Rwkw is about it but there is some running 275 Rwkw

regards
rod

[VX_CALAIS]

Might be of interest to you ...

My brother in law has a BA XR8 and we raced quite a few time

when the VX was stock, surprisingly we were neck and neck.

extractors and exhaust on the VX and I was just pulling away from him.

I got my edit and intake done and he refused to drag again. Being in the XR, it feels fast but heavy. All I hear from him now is "Nah, it's just because my car weighs so much ... fords are better blah blah .."

[SSbaby]

We had a dyno day recently where a manual GT was dynoed at 234 rwkw. On my first run my LS1 produced 235 rwkw (pinging its head off) but I know that that dyno was optimistic as my LS1 has 212 rwkw.

[mavss]

those FPV's are all mumbo with no jumbo...
I think this should read "....FPV's are all jumbo with no mumbo..."

No offence to the FPV owners who frequent our forums as I think they're an amazing car but they could do with a stint at Jenny Craig's :yup:

[flappist]

Little bit of reality guys.

Stock:

BA FPVs are heavy at 1820kg or so, the current VY2s are lots lighter
Standard GTs are pulling 13.7-13.8 at Calder and are showing up to 250rwkw
My GT-P was dynoed at 243.7 rwkw immediately after a SV300 that was about 225.
The GTS is quicker than a GT but is nearly $40k dearer ($59k vs $97k)
The FPVs are on their first generation with a 5 speed box and high diff ratio.
I suspect that a standard GT would eat a standard VT2 Clubby for breakfast.
The GT hasn't changed since the first ones in late 3rd qtr 2002, remember the VX2, then VY, then VY2?

Mods:

At this time there is no equivelent for LSedit for the BOSS. Do you guys remember the mid 14s you got before this was available?
The LS1 is a great engine with lots of easy/cheap(ish) mods that release lots of GO. Most of these mods come from North America where these engines are common in many performance cars.
The BOSS is uniquely Australian, any development work on it will be done here. This is partially why there is a no an overabundance of cams, ecu upgrades etc.
The I6turbo has already done some amazing stuff but it is basicly the same botom end as the 1988 EA 3.9 with a better head and goodies.

Now I am not trying to HSV bash here, just give a bit of perspective.

One point to ponder. If Ford had not built the E series XRs and AU FTEs do you really think the HSVs would be where they are now?
Look at the advances during the 80s/90s, from 170kw all the way up to 195kw with a 215kw option for about the price of a 4 bedroom house.

I hope that the F6 and maybe the mythical BA GTHO wipe the floor with all the HSVs because I can guarantee that the next model HSV will do the same thing back.

Technology is clever stuff. Look at the Merc E55 AMG, 2000kg and does 12s out of the box. Incorporate some of it's 'magic' and new GTs and Clubbies will do to the current batch what the VT2 and BA did to the VS and EL.

[markone2]

Little bit of reality guys.

Stock:


Standard GTs are pulling 13.7-13.8 at Calder and are showing up to 250rwkw

The GTS is quicker than a GT but is nearly $40k dearer ($59k vs $97k)

.


How remarkably odd :confused: I can only assume that Ford dealers in Queensland de-tune
The GT’s prior to delivery in Queensland…
Since last Sunday’s huge Ford turn-out and yesterday’s test @ tune at Willowbank the quickest run I
Or the *Watcher* in the stands have witnessed was a uni-chip enhanced GTrun 14.3…….with runs of high 14's and 15's being more the norm.

One could even surmise that the SV8 is quicker than the BA GT but is nearly
$20K cheaper :)

[flappist]

How remarkably odd :confused: I can only assume that Ford dealers in Queensland de-tune
The GT’s prior to delivery in Queensland…
Since last Sunday’s huge Ford turn-out and yesterday’s test @ tune at Willowbank the quickest run I
Or the *Watcher* in the stands have witnessed was a uni-chip enhanced GTrun 14.3…….with runs of high 14's and 15's being more the norm.

One could even surmise that the SV8 is quicker than the BA GT but is nearly
$20K cheaper :)

Yes no real quick ones there but then again even MOTOR magazine has done 13s in their tests, maybe surface, maybe environment, maybe lack of practice in the car... whatever......

As far as SV8 being quicker than GT, is it? That would be the VY2 SV8 you are talking about, the new model with a power upgrade?
Shit that would make it nearly as quick as a turbo 2l rice bubble of whatever breed.
GT/GT-P/Clubsport/R8 are grand tourers not stripped down semi sports rollerskates.
I would compare the SV8 with the XR6T, entry level blatmobile for those who want straight line performance without the safety features luxuries & comforts of a high end vehicle. There is obviously a market for them.

Read what I said again.

There is always someone who will bite isn't there.

[BlueSS]

There is always someone who will bite isn't there.

Yeah your right there is, you were the first.

:bash: Wake up!

[VX_CALAIS]

Now - it's just my opinion but if I drove a car with a "Racing stripe" I would want it to beat a stock entry level V8 :stick:

[markone2]

Read what I said again.

There is always someone who will bite isn't there.

Just so long as there is some-one close and handy to catch the *Bait* :D

[V82xist]

Yes no real quick ones there but then again even MOTOR magazine has done 13s in their tests, maybe surface, maybe environment, maybe lack of practice in the car... whatever......

I'd suggest you take your GT to the track, Willowbank would be the best, and show everyone how it's done. No one who has been to the track takes times done by magazines seriously. The only BA Falcons that I keep my eye on are the XR6Ts (cause they could be phase 2 & 3 kitted) cause in my opinion unless the GT or XR8 for that matter has a blower they aren't worth worrying about at the moment.
:cheers:

[SSbaby]

These Fords are good on paper, but everybody knows races aren't run on paper :D

On a serious note, some over at FF are saying the Boss edit is weeks (or even days) away. Hopefully, there will be good gains there for the BAs.

It would be really deflating from an enthusiast viewpoint if the Ford PCMs are already programmed to an optimum state of tune.

[motomk]

These Fords are good on paper, but everybody knows races aren't run on paper :D

On a serious note, some over at FF are saying the Boss edit is weeks (or even days) away. Hopefully, there will be good gains there for the BAs.

It would be really deflating from an enthusiast viewpoint if the Ford PCMs are already programmed to an optimum state of tune.

I doubt they would be. I would speculate that the Ford has some nasty restrictor items (read that - as fun stoppers) on the PCM like the GENIII has. I am sure I have read stuff from Mr Tuna when he had his XR6T about the fly by wire throttle closing when you are having to much fun!!! Like Flappist said not many people could beat 13.4 for ages in GENIII's, once the computer was opened up it all started happening!

motomk

[Dacious]

I would compare the SV8 with the XR6T, entry level blatmobile for those who want straight line performance without the safety features luxuries & comforts of a high end vehicle. There is obviously a market for them.

In your earlier post you imtimated you spent less money than the HSV GTS you out-dynoed. Either cheap performance is good, or it isn't.

This is basically a Ford Falcon we're talking about here, yes? Fills corporate fleets, taxi ranks and commonly found congesting commutes in every major Australian city? Came down the Struggletown assembly line with cars of much lesser spec, even than the poor old SV8?

Putting a body kit and fancy colours on a tweaked grocery getter, Ford or Holden, hardly qualifies it as a 'high-end' vehicle.

These cars are very good for what they are - near supercar performance at a fraction of the cost to buy or maintain. But 'high-end' is getting a little too precious about them.

[CarlFST60L]

I went to the ford dyno day and witnessed two GT's with cat back exhaust, CAI, and tune (i think) both pulling of runs of around 250Kwrw... I will say though, on the day, allot of runs seemed higher than they should have been... eith way pretty impressive!

[CarlFST60L]

I have raced a numner of XR6 turbo's auto, manual, ute and sedans in my M6 SV8 (filter and K104's 210Kwrw) and the only one that kept up the pace was a ute running 10lb boost... which i raced around 5 times... just to make sure :booty: ... I dont quite get why they get so much credit when why standard SV8's has no issue with flicking second gear and jumping out infront of them! :lol:

[Ghosn]

The GTS is quicker than a GT but is nearly $40k dearer ($59k vs $97k)

GT is not a direct competitor to the GTS, nor is the GTP. A more feasible comparison would be Clubsport and R8. (I you want to get techical, a gtp fully optioned doesnt come off far from the price of a GTS anyway and the GTS is substantially quicker on dragstrip and track. I could go on but it will turn into a slanging match.



I suspect that a standard GT would eat a standard VT2 Clubby for breakfast.

What a super achievement.

[Ghia351]

I have raced a numner of XR6 turbo's auto, manual, ute and sedans in my M6 SV8 (filter and K104's 210Kwrw) and the only one that kept up the pace was a ute running 10lb boost... which i raced around 5 times... just to make sure :booty: ... I dont quite get why they get so much credit when why standard SV8's has no issue with flicking second gear and jumping out infront of them! :lol:

I find it odd too as the ute is heavier then the sedans...hope you were on a track...maybe you should change your name to mildly-worked vysv8

[the mooch]

[QUOTE=flappist]
One point to ponder. If Ford had not built the E series XRs and AU FTEs do you really think the HSVs would be where they are now?
QUOTE]
Yes, I do believe that the HSV's and for that matter Holden's would be where they are now (or damn close to it) performance wise with the LS1 as Holden had to replace the aging 5 litre Aussie V8. It was not going to meet future emissions requirements without major retooling/R and D. Ls1 was already developed and was a natural replacement for the Holden V8. Vale :bow:

[Haza]

i would like to add my 2 cents to this thread.
First of all this is a brand new engine for Ford, and they are learning more and more about this engine every day.
Secondly the reason why the Fords are so heavy is because i beleive is a much more safer car as it offers more protection.
And last but not least, it all comes down to the driver. If he knows how to drive he will get a good time, if not he will lose to a holden.

Either way its a beauty of a car and has a whole lot of potential.

[Red CV8 R]

Motor has got a BA GT in to the ultra high 13s once (13.95 I think with low tyre pressures and alot of work) that I have seen where as even the VT2 Clubsport has run a 13.8 in the hands of motor. VYII Clubsports (the true GT opponent) have run mid 13s when up against the BA GT (it running low 14s). Strip times seem to reflect this aswell, still alot comes down to driver.

I should add I cant believe more people havent added a blower to their GT, it is just made for it! The CAPA Blown XR8 was aweome, so a GT with the same intercooled kit and the big brake option would be fantastic I think!

[VX_CALAIS]

Either way its a beauty of a car and has a whole lot of potential.

Hey, That's what my Bro-in law says (XR8 driver). All I seem to hear about is how much potential his car has .... great listening

[flappist]

GT is not a direct competitor to the GTS, nor is the GTP. A more feasible comparison would be Clubsport and R8. (I you want to get techical, a gtp fully optioned doesnt come off far from the price of a GTS anyway and the GTS is substantially quicker on dragstrip and track. I could go on but it will turn into a slanging match.
...... BA GT vs VT2 Clubby .......
What a super achievement.

Exactly what I was trying to say,
VT2 Clubby was the first go at a HSV LS1, look how more refined the current ones are.
And look at the big leap from the VY to VY2, you think that would have happened if there was no FPV?

I was not trying to start yet another F vs H shit fight, just point out that these are still early days.
Both teams are making better vehicles all the time and remember....
If there was no Ford performance there would be no Holden performance either and vice-versa.
The marketing gurus on both sides know haw to play the game.
If this were not the case why are the V8 supercars dressed up like pretend SSs and XR8s?
Do you think they would have the same following if they were all identical?

They both know how to keep the battle raging... Ford F6 coming soon... Holden Coupe4 ....coming soon....

I hope those of you who are open minded can see what I am trying to say. Some can't see both sides of a discussion.
I have the same problem on FF from "Anti LS1" zealots when I make a comment supporting HSV or whatever.

As far as the others who have suggested I try mine on the track.
Love to, but 600km is a bit far to travel on a wednesday night.
If there is going to be a Saturday T&T at willowbank soon that will have a few members attending please PM me with details.

[BossV8]

i'm not one to diss my own crowd but for someone steering a GT to "only" crack a mid 14-15 cant drive. They have the power there, just not the skills to use it properly.

Stick XR8's should be doing low 14's, even a sub-14 would be achivable, i know of an XR8 ute thats done a 14.2 stock (manual). I didnt do a run with my ute stock but with cai zorst and shortshift pulled a 13.6, next time maybe a 13.5 or so.

I concede that these BA's take some getting used to, witrh the drive by wire throttle, the rev characterics, gears and clutch (and drag racing takes practise too) but some of these blokes are letting down the side! lol

[Red CV8 R]

Mid 13s is a good time for a BA GT, what sort of power are you putting out?

[BossV8]

mines an XR8 ute

just headers, cat back 2.5" and bigmouth SS induction cai

Havent been on the dyno for a while, got 227rwkw when 3 months old with just the zorst...dunno how accurate the dyno was, it sounds a bit high

[Red CV8 R]

Great stuff, shows good potential for the 5.4 when the right tunning method comes along.

[Ghosn]

Exactly what I was trying to say,
VT2 Clubby was the first go at a HSV LS1, look how more refined the current ones are.
And look at the big leap from the VY to VY2, you think that would have happened if there was no FPV?

I was not trying to start yet another F vs H shit fight, just point out that these are still early days.
Both teams are making better vehicles all the time and remember....
If there was no Ford performance there would be no Holden performance either and vice-versa.
The marketing gurus on both sides know haw to play the game.
If this were not the case why are the V8 supercars dressed up like pretend SSs and XR8s?
Do you think they would have the same following if they were all identical?

They both know how to keep the battle raging... Ford F6 coming soon... Holden Coupe4 ....coming soon....

I hope those of you who are open minded can see what I am trying to say. Some can't see both sides of a discussion.
I have the same problem on FF from "Anti LS1" zealots when I make a comment supporting HSV or whatever.

As far as the others who have suggested I try mine on the track.
Love to, but 600km is a bit far to travel on a wednesday night.
If there is going to be a Saturday T&T at willowbank soon that will have a few members attending please PM me with details.

Flappy, I know what your saying. I have no doubt the boss engine has a huge potential and it'll be a big learning curve for all the ford guys to get the most out of it as was the case with the ls1 in its early days.

Fords problem is they are always having to play catch up, holden has the advantage and IMHO will do so for the next couple of years. There's still a lot to be learnt and cracked in regards to the BOSS, but the ls1 will always be a few years ahead and not forgetting the ls2. When that is realised, because it's built on the base of the ls1, there wont be as big a learning curve as its predecessor.

[Rt!]

I wonder what will happen when more is known about the BOSS and they start making power to put LS1s to shame.. Probably wont happen until the GenIV is out, though.

[markone2]

i'm not one to diss my own crowd but for someone steering a GT to "only" crack a mid 14-15 cant drive. They have the power there, just not the skills to use it properly.

Stick XR8's should be doing low 14's, even a sub-14 would be achivable, i know of an XR8 ute thats done a 14.2 stock (manual). I didnt do a run with my ute stock but with cai zorst and shortshift pulled a 13.6, next time maybe a 13.5 or so.

I concede that these BA's take some getting used to, witrh the drive by wire throttle, the rev characterics, gears and clutch (and drag racing takes practise too) but some of these blokes are letting down the side! lol

Generally I refrain from posting times achieved by Fords at Willowbank …
Ok :1peek: umm well not too many times.. ..I do this due to the large discrepancy between the performance times of the Commodore and Ford vehicles and one day ( the good lord forbid ) the tables may well turn.The BA XR8 to date however has proven itself at Willowbank to be a most dismal affair indeed ,and that’s putting it mildly .We have seen the Nitro V8 manual that made headlines for all the wrong reasons on *Today tonight* run no better than 14 seconds. run after run. I also have run a blown XR8 that could not better 14 seconds as well, yet Grunters AU Supercharged V8 can line up the Blacktop and run a very very low 13 and top out at 111mph….were did the BA V8 get it all so wrong :confused:

[Aloof]

I must say that all this " mine is bigger than yours" talk makes me laugh. The fact is any gen 3 ls1 can be modded to do quick times. Any BA xr6t, xr8 or GT can be modded to do fast times. In fact any of these modded cars can out accelerate and BMW M3 or M5. Does that make the Holdens or Falcons better cars? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

So to all eh wannabe SV8 owners out there who think that fast times equal better cars, you are a soory pack of try hards. If you want a fast car I can build you a 12 sec torana or some other piece of shit that accelerates fast. If you want a fast car with a bit of class, DON'T buy an SV8. Sorry!!!

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Please don't assume that 1/4 mile times make your cars a better drive.

[ls1350]

[QUOTE=flappist] you think that would have happened if there was no FPV?

Mate how long have FPV been around?? what was b4 them tickford :rolleyes:
and ESP what was in between ESP and tickfrod?? nothing. But from the first HDT that rolled off till the HSV today Holden has not stopped special vehicle's
or stopped the V8 (unlike ford)

So to answer (you think that would have happened if there was no FPV?)
it's a big YES!!!

Question should be do you think FPV would be where it si today without HDT/HSV?

Answer NO. why cause ford didnt give a rats untill they saw the sales for holdens V8 go up.

This is not an attack on you Ford drive's because ford australia are behind the 8 ball.

If Ford kept the V8 on the line up I more than likely be driving one today!!

Regards
Damien

[VX_CALAIS]

I must say that all this " mine is bigger than yours" talk makes me laugh. The fact is any gen 3 ls1 can be modded to do quick times. Any BA xr6t, xr8 or GT can be modded to do fast times. In fact any of these modded cars can out accelerate and BMW M3 or M5. Does that make the Holdens or Falcons better cars? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

So to all eh wannabe SV8 owners out there who think that fast times equal better cars, you are a soory pack of try hards. If you want a fast car I can build you a 12 sec torana or some other piece of shit that accelerates fast. If you want a fast car with a bit of class, DON'T buy an SV8. Sorry!!!

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Please don't assume that 1/4 mile times make your cars a better drive.

That's a little harsh ..... IMHO - It's all about bang for your buck

60 K buys you either a new

Monaro with memory seats and all the trimmings

OR

a BMW 318i with NO ELECTRIC SEATS !!!

if all you want is to show that you drive a BMW, great, buy a 318i. If you want everything else - go for the Monaro !!!

in regards to the FPVs, My car is not highly modified in my opinion (un-opened) and I was able to beat one. If I was buying a car under the banner of "performance vehicle" stated to put out 290kw, personally I'd be alittle disapointed. or - if I'd payed more for an XR8 only to get beaten by an XR6T ???? Maybe i just don't understand .......... :confused: :confused:

[the mooch]

QikSmurf, you may think the SS is a better car than the SV8, and you may be right. But it all comes at a price. Which is precisely the point of the SV8's existence. Remember, Holden only released it as a model due to it's sales figures of previous models indicating V8 Exec buyers wanted the go but coudn't afford/justify the show. And if you've noticed just how many of'em are on the road, I'd say their marketing department made the right call. SS the better car? yes. Better value? maybe not.

[falcon coupe]

I must say that all this " mine is bigger than yours" talk makes me laugh. The fact is any gen 3 ls1 can be modded to do quick times. Any BA xr6t, xr8 or GT can be modded to do fast times. In fact any of these modded cars can out accelerate and BMW M3 or M5. Does that make the Holdens or Falcons better cars? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

So to all eh wannabe SV8 owners out there who think that fast times equal better cars, you are a soory pack of try hards. If you want a fast car I can build you a 12 sec torana or some other piece of shit that accelerates fast. If you want a fast car with a bit of class, DON'T buy an SV8. Sorry!!!

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Please don't assume that 1/4 mile times make your cars a better drive.

QuikSmurf, you hit the nail right on the head, power does not make a car nice to drive, my 72 GT coupe has 500 horsepower and will more than likely hose any N/A GTP/Clubby, BUT, its a bit of a pig on the road, and i sometimes think a car with more refinement, that goes half decent (and corners and brakes well) would be a lot nicer to drive, i think any of the cars mentioned here would be a lot of fun to own.
PS, then i put my foot to the floor next while to a new car and say Naaahhhh :)

[Drizt]

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Please don't assume that 1/4 mile times make your cars a better drive.

Mate have a look at the drive line and suspension of your SS compared to an SV8 ....

:rolleyes:

SO u are saying that the 17" wheels and athetic difference's between the SS and SV8 make the SS a brilliant car and the SV8 "Crappies choice"

Can someone slap this man with a trout....

Sorry mate... not a personal attack but i hate it when people rag on the SV8... even the motoring magazine writers are wankers.... they always rag on about the SV8 feeling tired compared to the SS.... They are essentially mechanically the same car.... :bash:

[markone2]

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So to all eh wannabe SV8 owners out there who think that fast times equal better cars, you are a soory pack of try hards. If you want a fast car I can build you a 12 sec torana or some other piece of shit that accelerates fast. If you want a fast car with a bit of class, DON'T buy an SV8. Sorry!!!

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.



Why would one build a *tipper* to run 12 seconds when a simple tune is the alternative, :confused: which beggars the question of why you paid a $10,000 premium to drive an SS., obviously
your strong preference and contempt shows familiarity with both the SV8 and SS models, can you explain in more detail to us poor wannabe’s just what the SS justifies for the price premium?, given both cars have near identical mechanics….and handling characteristics ...you did purchase the Gen111 for its performance capabilities. didn’t you?

ps......I have it good authority there is presently a rip roaring discussion on another car based forum over matching interior hues and passenger seat lumbar support for the new Camry 4 cylinder Sportiva….Given this is a GEN111 Performance based forum I feel your input would be better received over at Toyota ….…imho........

[cutter bob]

I must say that all this " mine is bigger than yours" talk makes me laugh. The fact is any gen 3 ls1 can be modded to do quick times. Any BA xr6t, xr8 or GT can be modded to do fast times. In fact any of these modded cars can out accelerate and BMW M3 or M5. Does that make the Holdens or Falcons better cars? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

So to all eh wannabe SV8 owners out there who think that fast times equal better cars, you are a soory pack of try hards. If you want a fast car I can build you a 12 sec torana or some other piece of shit that accelerates fast. If you want a fast car with a bit of class, DON'T buy an SV8. Sorry!!!

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Please don't assume that 1/4 mile times make your cars a better drive.




well Essentially there is only 20 kg of plastic seperating your fantastic SS to a "poverty stricken SV8" so i'm going to go out on a lim here and say your a bit blind to the fact of how little seperates your poverty stricken SV8 +20 kg of plastic (and dont get me wrong i love the SS!!!!) and a poverty stricken SV8, just apart from a bit of makup and alloy there essally the same car.

[Danv8]

Sorry mate... not a personal attack but i hate it when people rag on the SV8... even the motoring magazine writers are wankers.... they always rag on about the SV8 feeling tired compared to the SS.... They are essentially mechanically the same car.... :bash:[/QUOTE]

Well put!
A bit like the non turbo XR6 falcon and the normal Falcon XT/Futura same type of mechanics but with body kit and different interior changes, alloys and sports suspension. But same 182 kw donk under the hood.

[Danv8]

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Uhm as others said there is not much difference between the SV8 and SS in terms of performance and handling. Its mainly cosmetic and trim level details are different between the two. The SV8 does not have any less potential than any other Gen 3 powered Holden. I see nothing wrong with a no-frills V8 car for a good price and it has excellent performance potential I wouldn't dare to knock it.

[Ricko]

With 4 airbags, power windows all round, ABS, 17" alloys, air cond and cruise id hardly say my SV8 is stripped out. $180 worth of hide covered accessories and some SS pedals later and the ambience in my cabin has been lifted remarkably. An SS steering wheel and some retrimmed/rebolstered seats and the car will look and feel exactly how i want it to. Remember the old addage when building a performance car, "why pay for items your going to replace?". Each to their own, i had the extra dosh for the SS in my hand, and i can see where the extra money is, but much of it i didnt want/like, which made it poor value in my instance.

And as far a comparing an XR6T with and SV8, remember the XR6T is 3grand dearer, more if you have a trade!

I suppose if i had a XR8 or a GT/GTP id be touting the same arguement and trashing the specs of the SV8 and XR6T, cause you sure cant brag about performance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Connolly]

From personal experience I have found the new GTP to be overated to say the least. My two best mates are ford men through and through, one owning a GTP (253rwkw) and the other owning a TE50 tickford (207rwkw). We have little grudge races even now and again and both my super 6 and the TE50 pull away from the GTP with ease. Having driven both myself I would say that I would take the TE50 over the GTP anyday. Not trying to flame but its just my opinion

[CarlFST60L]

I must say that all this " mine is bigger than yours" talk makes me laugh. The fact is any gen 3 ls1 can be modded to do quick times. Any BA xr6t, xr8 or GT can be modded to do fast times. In fact any of these modded cars can out accelerate and BMW M3 or M5. Does that make the Holdens or Falcons better cars? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

So to all eh wannabe SV8 owners out there who think that fast times equal better cars, you are a soory pack of try hards. If you want a fast car I can build you a 12 sec torana or some other piece of shit that accelerates fast. If you want a fast car with a bit of class, DON'T buy an SV8. Sorry!!!

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Please don't assume that 1/4 mile times make your cars a better drive.
Dude... I know what you are saying, standard SV8 is pretty 'pov'... but in my defence.... i am no 'try hard'... I got my SV8 for $37500 on road cause i know the guy (best mate) including SS kit, fog lamps etc.. this now allowed me to customize my 'poverty stricken' :lol: SV8 which i can assure you turns more heads than a standard SS :cool: ... the 10K ++ i have saved is going into the car in the way of serious brakes, suspension, 12 sec mods, wheels etc... so bag me all you want... and when you get you M3 i will race you around a track, 400m, 100m, brake test, and we will see who comes out one top, for $150K for your M3 and my $55K for my custome SV8

I know my nick isnt right too! it probably should me "About to be WORKEDSV8"

[SSbaby]

I have an VY SS in my garage. I would honestly say that if I had a choice I would choose a XR6T any day over the poverty stricken SV8. The SV8 is the crappiest choice of any car in its price range.

Uhm as others said there is not much difference between the SV8 and SS in terms of performance and handling. Its mainly cosmetic and trim level details are different between the two. The SV8 does not have any less potential than any other Gen 3 powered Holden. I see nothing wrong with a no-frills V8 car for a good price and it has excellent performance potential I wouldn't dare to knock it.

motomk's car is definitely one SV8 I would have. It's amazing how mean an SV8 can look, especially after a few mods.

[the mooch]

I know I was on the "get into qiksmurf" bandwagon before, but I will come to his defence in one area of the SV8/SS debate; resale. Argue all you like, but with a resale value after 1, 2 or 3 years being higher on the SS, coupled with the fact some of the SV8 options are standard on SS, you really are no worse off dollarwise. If you plan on keeping the car it's really a dead issue, since you will justify your own purchase, regardless. Me, personally, I like the fact I get all the SS mod-cons over the SV8, without having to stuff around with sourcing/fitting/modifying parts. And at the end of the day, it will always be an SS...........

[Venom XR]

Question should be do you think FPV would be where it si today without HDT/HSV?

Fact: there would be no HDT, HSV, FPV, XRs, SS, LS1, blah blah blah without the XR GT Falcon, which Ford Australia, under the control of yank Bill Bourke, got made. Bill told his own yank Ford managers to get nicked when they said a GT should be 2 doors and not 4. It won Bathurst in 67. Holden hit back with the GTS with won in 68, and that produced the GTHO/GT which won 69-73, and lastly in 75, after which Holden dominated until the rice rockets began winning in 84.

Undisputable, much like the fact that Holden are still dominating it these days, on the track and street.

[SSbaby]

Would you think that we'd all be here arguing about cars if it weren't for its inventor? :confused:

[Ricko]

I know I was on the "get into qiksmurf" bandwagon before, but I will come to his defence in one area of the SV8/SS debate; resale. Argue all you like, but with a resale value after 1, 2 or 3 years being higher on the SS, coupled with the fact some of the SV8 options are standard on SS, you really are no worse off dollarwise. If you plan on keeping the car it's really a dead issue, since you will justify your own purchase, regardless. Me, personally, I like the fact I get all the SS mod-cons over the SV8, without having to stuff around with sourcing/fitting/modifying parts. And at the end of the day, it will always be an SS...........

As far as resale value goes, an SS will depriciate at a lower % of its new price but, after one year (according to redbook) its actually lost more money, just short of six grand istead of just over 5.

[the mooch]

AHhh, yes. You are correct to some extent. Ford motor Co. wouldn't be around if it wasn't for Karl Benz; you know, the guy who invented the first car (I think thats his name!). Fact #2. Ford pulled the pin on its V8 program in the 80's, thus walking away from its committment to touring car racing in this country on a formal basis. HDT and HSV were established in part to keep Holdens committment to racing alive, not to compete against ford products on the road (with no V8, what were they going to offer?), which is what the Bathurst Monaro, GTHO etc were all about, as you so mentioned.

[VX_CALAIS]

AHhh, yes. You are correct to some extent. Ford motor Co. wouldn't be around if it wasn't for Karl Benz; you know, the guy who invented the first car (I think thats his name!). Fact #2. Ford pulled the pin on its V8 program in the 80's, thus walking away from its committment to touring car racing in this country on a formal basis. HDT and HSV were established in part to keep Holdens committment to racing alive, not to compete against ford products on the road (with no V8, what were they going to offer?), which is what the Bathurst Monaro, GTHO etc were all about, as you so mentioned.

so what your saying is HDT / HSV kept it all alive .... so - how has ford helped again ... especially recently. .... :stick:

[the mooch]

As far as resale value goes, an SS will depriciate at a lower % of its new price but, after one year (according to redbook) its actually lost more money, just short of six grand istead of just over 5.
Exactly. Try buying/fitting all the options the SS has over the SV8 for under $1k. Nicer seats, nicer instruments, 18inch wheels instead of 17's, 6 stack cd, and the rest. Money saved in the short term is lost at the end of the day.

[Ricko]

Exactly. Try buying/fitting all the options the SS has over the SV8 for under $1k. Nicer seats, nicer instruments, 18inch wheels instead of 17's, 6 stack cd, and the rest. Money saved in the short term is lost at the end of the day.


Very true, but the other way to look at it as the SS is 11 grand dearer after a year, not 10. In the end its just taste and priorities. My priorities couldnt justify ten grand for mostly cosmetics, thats gone into my house were it will INCREASE in value.

[gsw]

If I remember correctly Holden did drop the V8 in the 80's but due to such an outcry by the public they brought it back after a short time. The first year of the VN also had no V8 if I remember correctly. The reason was they couldn't optimise it for unleaded petrol and they were only getting about 130kw out of it compared to the vl turbo's 150kw.

[the mooch]

so what your saying is HDT / HSV kept it all alive .... so - how has ford helped again ... especially recently. .... :stick:
My response was to the post below.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1350
Question should be do you think FPV would be where it si today without HDT/HSV?

Originally posted by Venom XR
Fact: there would be no HDT, HSV, FPV, XRs, SS, LS1, blah blah blah without the XR GT Falcon, which Ford Australia, under the control of yank Bill Bourke, got made. Bill told his own yank Ford managers to get nicked when they said a GT should be 2 doors and not 4. It won Bathurst in 67. Holden hit back with the GTS with won in 68, and that produced the GTHO/GT which won 69-73, and lastly in 75, after which Holden dominated until the rice rockets began winning in 84.

Venom XR I presume, is claiming credit for all our hot Holdens/Fords today belongs to the XR GT. Thats not entirely true. HDT presisted with the hotting up theme long after Ford abondon it. So, yes I do believe Ford are where they are today with FPV, because of HDT/HSV. I bet they wished they were where Holden are at the moment with HSV. Who knows what Fordies would be driving if FoMoCo continued its refusal to sell V8's. Tuarus GTP anyone? :spew:

[SSbaby]

If I remember correctly Holden did drop the V8 in the 80's but due to such an outcry by the public they brought it back after a short time.
Incorrect. The Holden V8 was not dropped but there were rumours (after a successful FoMoCo dropped their V8 a couple of years earlier) that it would face the axe. Holden were bleeding financially at the time but the 'V8s til 98' campaign worked and the V8 survived.


The first year of the VN also had no V8 if I remember correctly. The reason was they couldn't optimise it for unleaded petrol and they were only getting about 130kw out of it compared to the vl turbo's 150kw.

Correct: Holden needed more development time to drop the then new fuel injected 5.0L into the VN (similar period to what Ford did with their delayed introduction of the BA V8 after debuting the BA range). The port fuel injected 5.0L V8 was developed for Group A racing and debuted in the VL Walkinshaw homologation special.

[the mooch]

My priorities couldnt justify ten grand for mostly cosmetics, thats gone into my house were it will INCREASE in value.
What????? your house will increase in value regardless of how much you invest into it. :rolleyes: I know what your trying to say, but you gotta have some fun! :)
BTW. The V8's till 98 campaign did change Holdens top brass' minds. Too bad Fords Australias masters weren't eavesdropping............... :doh:

[gsw]

The XR GT is where it all began with Australia's Muscle cars, and to say Holden is the only one pushing ford along and not the other way around is crazy. Imagine if there was no ford around do you really think Holden would be improving there cars as much as they are now. The same for ford if there was no holden, do you really think ford would have done something drastic and spent $500 million on developing BA. Face it people Ford need Holden and vice versa to keep our car industry alive and well.

[gsw]

Incorrect. The Holden V8 was not dropped but there were rumours (after a successful FoMoCo dropped their V8 a couple of years earlier) that it would face the axe. Holden were bleeding financially at the time but the 'V8s til 98' campaign worked and the V8 survived.


Correct: Holden needed more development time to drop the then new fuel injected 5.0L into the VN (similar period to what Ford did with their delayed introduction of the BA V8 after debuting the BA range). The port fuel injected 5.0L V8 was developed for Group A racing and debuted in the VL Walkinshaw homologation special.

thanks for the info

[the mooch]

The XR GT is where it all began with Australia's Muscle cars, and to say Holden is the only one pushing ford along and not the other way around is crazy. Imagine if there was no ford around do you really think Holden would be improving there cars as much as they are now. The same for ford if there was no holden, do you really think ford would have done something drastic and spent $500 million on developing BA. Face it people Ford need Holden and vice versa to keep our car industry alive and well.
nobody here has said that holden is the only one pushing Ford anywhere. The question was asked whether FPV would be where they are today if not for HDT/HSV. Ford could have lumbered along with "The Tickford Vehicle Experience" :sleep: in the early 90's and continued pumping out lukewarm sixes to it's heart content. It didn't have an image leader like holden/HSV until FPV was created. And I think they finally have it right, mind you. As for where Holden/Ford are atm, yes they do spur and need each other in order to progress. Otherwise it'll be Mitsu's fate all over. But imo, if Ford don't look at the export market as an option, it may follow the Lonsdale plant down the Gurgler. The other reason Ford/holden needed to lift their game was a little policy called the "Button Plan", lest we forget.

[gsw]

nobody here has said that holden is the only one pushing Ford anywhere. The question was asked whether FPV would be where they are today if not for HDT/HSV. Ford could have lumbered along with "The Tickford Vehicle Experience" :sleep: in the early 90's and continued pumping out lukewarm sixes to it's heart content. It didn't have an image leader like holden/HSV until FPV was created. And I think they finally have it right, mind you. As for where Holden/Ford are atm, yes they do spur and need each other in order to progress. Otherwise it'll be Mitsu's fate all over. But imo, if Ford don't look at the export market as an option, it may follow the Lonsdale plant down the Gurgler. The other reason Ford/holden needed to lift their game was a little policy called the "Button Plan", lest we forget.

good point

[Ricko]

[QUOTE=the mooch]What????? your house will increase in value regardless of how much you invest into it. :rolleyes: I know what your trying to say, but you gotta have some fun! :)
QUOTE]

My SV8 still gives me lots o fun, which i suppose is what its all about, Holden or Ford, turbo or V8, big bucks or value pack, as long as it puts a smile on your dial. :)

[BA$TAD]

My SV8 still gives me lots o fun, which i suppose is what its all about, Holden or Ford, turbo or V8, big bucks or value pack, as long as it puts a smile on your dial. :)

Probably the only intelligent comment made in this whole thread. :)

[Aloof]

I am truely sorry to all the SV8 owners out there that I may have offended. Looking back on it now, I was out of line to bag the SV8 like I did.

It just pisses me off to here some owners of SV8's proclaiming their ride is Gods gift to the motoring world. I know that machanically, the SS and SV8 are nearly identical. Whether people can justify 11k more is a matter of choice and a dash of $$$$. If I had more $$$, I may have opted for a Clubbie or GTS. Point is ,we all need to draw the line somewhere. I drew mine at the SS. There may be people who say I should have got the HSV with all its extras.

My only problem with the SV8 at the time I made my purchase was its uncanny similarity to the executive, both inside and out. Still, I can see why people would buy one if the 11k difference seemed unjustified.

Finally, to quote my wife when she read my thread...." don't be such a dickless snob!!" :lol:

Sincere appologies to all............ :)

[Ghia351]

Incorrect. The Holden V8 was not dropped but there were rumours (after a successful FoMoCo dropped their V8 a couple of years earlier) that it would face the axe. Holden were bleeding financially at the time but the 'V8s til 98' campaign worked and the V8 survived.


Correct: Holden needed more development time to drop the then new fuel injected 5.0L into the VN (similar period to what Ford did with their delayed introduction of the BA V8 after debuting the BA range). The port fuel injected 5.0L V8 was developed for Group A racing and debuted in the VL Walkinshaw homologation special.

Just a slight correction: The XR8 and GT/P auto's were the only delayed V8's due to the time required to prepare the uprated gearbox.

[rodp]

It won Bathurst in 67. Holden hit back with the GTS with won in 68, and that produced the GTHO/GT which won 69-73, and lastly in 75, after which Holden dominated until the rice rockets began winning in 84

Perhaps the consumption of beer has caught up with me, but I'm almost positive that the HO's only won 70 and 71. 69 was a Monaro which spanked the 1st HO and 72 was Brock's XU1 (bastard... but watching him and Moffat battling tooth and nail ontop of the mountain, and the HO demolishing it down Conrod was very entertaining) and 75 was Brocky again, thankfully in a V8 this time!!

I'd dig out my great Bathurst moments tape, but I've gone and tossed my VCR out for a DVD recorder... :(

[Danv8]

Finally, to quote my wife when she read my thread...." don't be such a dickless snob!!" :lol:

----
LMAO you got it easy out of that one my g/f says some shocking things to me sometimes.
----

Sincere appologies to all............ :)[/QUOTE]

Granted.
Now say 2000 hail Holdens and then you will be repented.
:p

[Venom XR]

Perhaps the consumption of beer has caught up with me, but I'm almost positive that the HO's only won 70 and 71. 69 was a Monaro which spanked the 1st HO and 72 was Brock's XU1 (bastard... but watching him and Moffat battling tooth and nail ontop of the mountain, and the HO demolishing it down Conrod was very entertaining) and 75 was Brocky again, thankfully in a V8 this time!!

I'd dig out my great Bathurst moments tape, but I've gone and tossed my VCR out for a DVD recorder... :(

Nah, you're right, I just need a good clip to the back of my head! I was looking at my Bathurst results list, but pulled those years from the pole list, not winners. :box:

69 was a GTS Monaro, '72 was an XU1 and '74 was a GT. But anyhoo, same idea, XR GT started it, Holden are clearly dominating it now and it's fair to say, have for quite a number of years.

[Venom XR]

Venom XR I presume, is claiming credit for all our hot Holdens/Fords today belongs to the XR GT. Thats not entirely true. HDT presisted with the hotting up theme long after Ford abondon it. So, yes I do believe Ford are where they are today with FPV, because of HDT/HSV. I bet they wished they were where Holden are at the moment with HSV. Who knows what Fordies would be driving if FoMoCo continued its refusal to sell V8's. Tuarus GTP anyone? :spew:

Fact is they do owe everything to Bill Bourke and the XR GT - and Bathurst. Regardless of Ford dropping the V8 or not, that is where it started. HDT/HSV would have had nothing to continue without a beginning somewhere. Without the XR GT, that beginning may have come elsewhere - but that is history.

Ford US tried getting us to buy Taurus's, and it failed - miserably. In fact, it took yet another yank-based Ford Aus boss to realise the Falcon was actually viable, and that the we wouldn't buy their imported stuff. No doubt new Ford Aus boss Gorman, and indeed new Holden boss Mooney who is also a yank, are realising just what the Holden/Ford thing really means here.

[the mooch]

Quote from Ricko
My SV8 still gives me lots o fun, which i suppose is what its all about, Holden or Ford, turbo or V8, big bucks or value pack, as long as it puts a smile on your dial. :)[/QUOTE]

I'll drink to that. :beer:
And cheers to Qiksmurf, too. :cheers:

[motomk]

Somebody grab me a hankee!:bawl: :bawl:

I've become all emotional!!!!;);)

[the mooch]

everyones a comedian! :rolleyes: :jester: :jester:

[SHANESVZSS]

how about this!! doesnt matter weather you drive a executive or gts there ALL in the holden family so thats good enuf reason to drink to for me :dancenana::cheers::beer::merry:

[Knawful]

Holy thread digging batman.

[HOTSV8]

how about this!! doesnt matter weather you drive a executive or gts there ALL in the holden family so thats good enuf reason to drink to for me :dancenana::cheers::beer::merry:

Started on the turps a bit early this morning havn't you ???
:goodjob:

[macca33]

I've got the following mods on the Calais

Ported T/B
4" MAF pipe
Manaro CAI
HM Extractors
opened up CATS
Twin 2.5 Redback Xorst
LS1 Edit

The above got me around 220RWKW

But then I put on:
a KAAZ diff with 3.46 diff gears.
19" ROH rims with 245/35/r19 tyres
Tweaked edit with harder shifts

It felt quicker but only pulled 206 RWKW the next day at the DYNO ???

go figure :bash:

Even though the thread is now a miner's special, I'd be keen if you could indicate what size wheels were you running the first time, were they the Calais 17s?

Can you post both dynosheets, or one that is overlaid with both results?

I am interested in the rear wheel power loss that occurred through changing to larger diameter wheels.

Cheers,

Macca

[PBoB]

Holy thread digging batman.

:yup: I just read this whole thread without even checking the date! :vpo:

:director:I want my 20 minutes back!





:lol:

[michaels1v8]

Even though the thread is now a miner's special, I'd be keen if you could indicate what size wheels were you running the first time, were they the Calais 17s?

Can you post both dynosheets, or one that is overlaid with both results?

I am interested in the rear wheel power loss that occurred through changing to larger diameter wheels.

Cheers,

Macca

Macca I would assume the power loss was due to a different factor (different dyno perhaps? or wheelspin on dyno?)than the different diameter tyres

I was under the impression that 19s with 245/35 tread profile were same rolling diameter or close enough to the same rolling diameter as 17s with 235/45 tread (or whatever is standard on holden 17s) ?

[OUTAtheBloo]

I have found my 19's are taller than my SS 17's, but they are the same diametre as the spare holden supplied.

Dan

[bwhinnen]

Macca I would assume the power loss was due to a different factor (different dyno perhaps? or wheelspin on dyno?)than the different diameter tyres

I was under the impression that 19s with 245/35 tread profile were same rolling diameter or close enough to the same rolling diameter as 17s with 235/45 tread (or whatever is standard on holden 17s) ?

It's not the diameter that matters more the rotating mass...

[macca33]

It's not the diameter that matters more the rotating mass...
Those are my thoughts also - you have increased the diameter of the stel component (wheel), so the leverage will be altered and thus, torque and by the usual multiple, power........or, so I suspect - I am clearly no engineer or physics professor...:hide:

Cheers,

Macca

[mitchtj]

This was an interesting thread, just goes to show how far the game has moved in a few short years.

[nudenut]

It's not the diameter that matters more the rotating mass...
I'm not really familiar with dyno workings, but if the speed isn't changing very quickly, the effect of the wheel rotating mass on the dyno reading will be negligible. Even if the revs are increasing quite quickly, at full throttle the wheel mass/design shouldn't affect the reading by more than a few percent - 14rwkw is too much to be accounted for by that.