Adventra - Anybody got one?

[Davidm]

Looking at buying an Adventra LX-8 on novated lease. Just wondering if anybody has one and whether they are satified with their purchase? One dealer told me they are extremely thirsty on fuel?

Your imput would be welcome.

[mavss]

One pulled up next to me at the lights today & I swear it almost blocked out the sun.

The extra ride height & larger stance is quite intimidating.

Wouldn't mind giving one a test drive but for that sort of money, I'd be much happier with 2wd in the form of a Clubbie :)

[adventra]

Looking at buying an Adventra LX-8 on novated lease. Just wondering if anybody has one and whether they are satified with their purchase? One dealer told me they are extremely thirsty on fuel?


Hi, I had my Adventra LX8 for about 6 weeks now (done 5000k's) and I reccon it is the best thing since sliced bread (well nearly). I think is has reasonable get up and go and is very comfortable. I have also found it to be stable and sure footed on dirt and loose surfaces, with resonable approach and departure angles. It likes fuel, 13.5 L/100 on a 500km open road trip at about 115kph. I haven't worried about city figures because I tend to drive it hard. The LX8 weighs in at 1968kilos, so is quite heavy which is noticeable around town and when you start to push it hard.
I am about to do CAI, exhaust and HSV Avalanche edit and will be interested to see if it makes a difference to the fuel consumption.

[Davidm]

I had the fortunate oportunity to sample the Adventra at a Holden drive day at Oran Park's off-road ciruit area. We also got to drive them in convoy on sealed and unsealed roads in the area. I was really impressed with the vehicle and felt very dispointed that I had to drive back to Port Macquarie from Sydney in the BA work car!

It handled some offroad hill climbs with ease. I'm not looking at hard core off roading, just exploring some state forest areas etc. Height wise, it was really hard to notice any difference from an Exec, which I have also had as work cars, in regards to handling, i.e. body roll. It felt really stable, unlike conventional 4wds, only heavier in the steering an mass. Accelleration felt somewhere between the V6 and V8 of the 2wd variety, so its not all that slow for a double tonner. Comfort wise the LX-8 has everything, excellent value for money considering it is calais spec, gets a sunroof standard, AWD, and is cheaper than a Monaro! :)

[Davidm]

Hi, I had my Adventra LX8 for about 6 weeks now (done 5000k's) and I reccon it is the best thing since sliced bread (well nearly). I think is has reasonable get up and go and is very comfortable. I have also found it to be stable and sure footed on dirt and loose surfaces, with resonable approach and departure angles. It likes fuel, 13.5 L/100 on a 500km open road trip at about 115kph. I haven't worried about city figures because I tend to drive it hard. The LX8 weighs in at 1968kilos, so is quite heavy which is noticeable around town and when you start to push it hard.
I am about to do CAI, exhaust and HSV Avalanche edit and will be interested to see if it makes a difference to the fuel consumption.

Thanks for the tip. I had been quoted bests of 19ltrs to the 100 on hwy trips! Not too worried about around town use either. I live in a town that has good traffic flow and bugger all traffic lights! My Vr 215i acheives averages around town of 17 to 18 ltres to the 100 anyway! On Hwys 10 to 11.5ltrs to the 100. So It wont be far from that. Glad your enjoying it. I'm just waiting for management to approve my request for a novated lease. Once I get that I'll placing my order. Tubine with Orchre leather and transmission guard.

Let us know how the mods go

Cheers :cool:

[Bravo Brad]

CX8, 1600kms..2 weeks.

So far, its a great machine. The grip on dirt roads in unbelievable. :eek: It doesn’t mind a drink around town, but on the highway sitting on 105-110km's hr is returning between 12.3 - 12.5 at the moment. I believe that will get better with time. Whilst the power is ample for most people, I am looking forward to some exhaust and editing down the track.

Whilst on a sunny day if may not be as quick as an SS. If the SS driver is smart. he wont start a sprint from the lights in the wet. :D

Has anyone done any mod’s yet? If so please share.

[Davidm]

The alternate vehicle I was looking at purchasing was a new clubby. Now like the SS, you can't leave the black top. Now since I can only afford one car the Adventra is shinning brighter everyday as the right purchase.

[Mav]

Don't own one but if I was looking at a new car they would be high on the list.

[Martin_D]

We spent some time tuning one of these things, not just the engine, but also the way in which it interacts with the transmission, and lets just say the transformation is astounding!

[IIV8II]

yeah I've seen 13.5 on a trip - one person, no load, 110kays on the crooz - and 19s around town. She doesn't mind a drink...
it's phat on gravel/dirt :D

[V-Car]

We spent some time tuning one of these things, not just the engine, but also the way in which it interacts with the transmission, and lets just say the transformation is astounding!

Martin, with the tweaking, how did the brakes and mechanicals hold up?
Was it possible to modify much before compromising reliability?
I imagine the brakes get a big workout in loose stuff as they are the primary form of traction control.

[V82xist]

I went to the drive day at Oran Park and came away very impressed with the car. I would buy one for sure.
:cheers:

[SSbaby]

I'm surprised people are put off the car because of potentially high fuel bills, though it is understandable.

Just out of interest, what sort of fuel bills would one expect from their Landcruiser (TD or Petrol) around town and hwy?

[V82xist]

The large petrol 4wds use on average anywhere between 16-22 ltrs per 100ks in normal driving but they have much larger fuel capacity like Landcruiser 100 series 145ltr and Patrol 125ltr fuel tanks. This is only a problem if you where a long way from a petrol station.

[muzza]

I noticed F1 performance had one yesterday - driving out of the PO in Blackburn - it had the sticker on the windscreen.

Perhaps they are having a play with one?

[Delco]

Done both a Adventura and a Avalanche with PD blowers so far , what a transformation , just gets up and boogy's.

Good results can also be had with a tune on the std combo.

[IIV8II]

I'm surprised people are put off the car because of potentially high fuel bills, though it is understandable.

Just out of interest, what sort of fuel bills would one expect from their Landcruiser (TD or Petrol) around town and hwy?


yeah - good point, and one I've made on here, and elsewhere, before. The Adv uses less than all the 4.0- 4.5-litre 'proper' 4WDs...

But many seem to expect the Adv to dip into the 8s like an SS 6-speed on a trip - it won't...

[IIV8II]

Done both a Adventura and a Avalanche with PD blowers so far , what a transformation , just gets up and boogy's.

Good results can also be had with a tune on the std combo.
Fukc, that'd be NICE :cool:

[V-Car]

Article on DRIVE (http://www.drive.com.au/news/article.asp?article=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/general/2004/06/03/FFX27VHRZUD.html) today comparing the Adventra, Territory and Kluger.
Interestingly, they rated the imported Kluger (based on the Camry) ahead of the two locals for off-road stuff. Doesnt sound good for the 'true blue' Holdens and Fords marketing about testing and building for local conditions.

Also, more HERE (http://www.drive.com.au/news/article.asp?article=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/general/2004/06/03/FFXP6VHRZUD.html)

[Swordie]

Most the people considering an Adventra probably wouldn’t interested in a Kluger.

[Davidm]

yeah - good point, and one I've made on here, and elsewhere, before. The Adv uses less than all the 4.0- 4.5-litre 'proper' 4WDs...

But many seem to expect the Adv to dip into the 8s like an SS 6-speed on a trip - it won't...

Only wanted to know fuel consumption as I was calculating what I would most likely use in a 12 month period for a salary sacrfice arrangment. I.e. as the car is leased through work I pay all running cost through a salary sacrifice arrangement, which means all lease payments and running costs come out of my pay package pre tax. I estimate the fuel bill for the year and work gives me shell card to use up that bill. Pre tax also incurs Fringe Benefits Tax, therefore the lower the amount the lower the tax etc. Therefore I'm making sure my estimates are correct, as I've heard some shocking figures! However what I originally estimated was about right by the sound of things!

[Venom XR]

It's amazing that Drive find that the Ford and Holden have faults when one car didn't, and two dedicated off-road 4WDs didn't either. Yet, 4X4 mags are rating both as good for what they were intended for. They are not Land Cruisers, and weren't built to be.

Drive can take their boring as bat shit Kluger, I think Holden and Ford know what their target markets were and it wasn't those who buy serious off-road vehicles.

[Davidm]

That's right. I'm not intersted in a Kluger! Looks boring, probably has a gutless motor and small supportless Japanese seats! I want a vehicle with car like handling and comfort that can venture into the state forests, looks beefy, has a strong torquay engine and is not a Ford, European or Japanese! :booty:

[huggies]

Done both a Adventura and a Avalanche with PD blowers so far , what a transformation , just gets up and boogy's
Sounds Awsome Dan
Queston how does the drive train handle all the power ?
and what could you compare the performance to

[RCLARK]

While we are on the subject, how does the Avalanche weigh up for the extra folding.
Cheers

:diddy:

[Spectrum]

I am about to do CAI, exhaust and HSV Avalanche edit and will be interested to see if it makes a difference to the fuel consumption.

I'd be very interested in your results as I'm also in the process of collating information to decide which options to go with. I too have an LX8 (Turbine Mica), and have had it since 20th May, and have run up 2800Km already. I posted in the streetcommodores.com.au web site and thy helpfully also suggested I post in this forum. I was thinking of going with the SS Inductions full CAI system (http://www.ssinductions.com.au/html/inductions.html), but most of the advice have been against it.

I'm also thinking of changing cat-back exhaust to 3" so I can enjoy the sound of the engine: the standard sound is very subdued, at least until you plant your foot at the lights :burnout:

Please post your results and details of your mods: it'll help me decide very quickly... :driving: :driving:

[SSbaby]

OT: Drove the SS with 4 people on board and full boot through alpine country on the long weekend. I reckon, the extra weight would have amounted to around 350kg. The weight had a significant effect on performance. Given that Adventra weighs somewhere close to my SS with the full load, I can understand what they mean when they say "you can definitely feel the Adventra's extra weight over the regular rwds".

But I reckon the Adventra would handle those curves a lot more competently than an SS, judging from how easily a Subaru B4 AWD took the bends...left me waaay behind in the curvy stuff even though there were only 2 people in his Suby.

[SSCRD]

Hi All,

FYI - got a 2004 Nissan Patrol TD 4.2 and I can tell you it gets 12 - 13 litres per 100km/h, its fantastic. Mind you, prior had a 2000 Nissan Patrol 4.5 Petrol version and it was getting a thirsty 20 - 22 litres per 100 km/h, hence getting rid of it in replace for a TD. Plus with more grunt pulls the boat heaps better and great economy.
Not fair to compare this 4wd with the one in being discussed, cos in my view the Holden version isn't a real 4wd, just for some light stuff.

Cheers.

[V82xist]

Hi All,

FYI - got a 2004 Nissan Patrol TD 4.2 and I can tell you it gets 12 - 13 litres per 100km/h, its fantastic. Mind you, prior had a 2000 Nissan Patrol 4.5 Petrol version and it was getting a thirsty 20 - 22 litres per 100 km/h, hence getting rid of it in replace for a TD. Plus with more grunt pulls the boat heaps better and great economy.
Not fair to compare this 4wd with the one in being discussed, cos in my view the Holden version isn't a real 4wd, just for some light stuff.

Cheers.

You have the easily the best new 4WD you can buy if you are going heavy duty offroading. The Patrols are simply awesome offroad. As you say though there is a big difference in the market of these vehicles and they shouldn't be compared. I have owned a GU Turbo Deisel and it was a brilliant vehicle but now I have a VY SS. So the Adventra for me fits perfectly in between the two.
:cheers:

[SSCRD]

mind you I wouldn't saw no to a Landcruiser TD - although at nearly $20k on top of the Patrol new I just couldn't justify it being that much better.

[mosanator]

Only wanted to know fuel consumption as I was calculating what I would most likely use in a 12 month period for a salary sacrfice arrangment. I.e. as the car is leased through work I pay all running cost through a salary sacrifice arrangement, which means all lease payments and running costs come out of my pay package pre tax. I estimate the fuel bill for the year and work gives me shell card to use up that bill. Pre tax also incurs Fringe Benefits Tax, therefore the lower the amount the lower the tax etc. Therefore I'm making sure my estimates are correct, as I've heard some shocking figures! However what I originally estimated was about right by the sound of things!

Mate if its not a RUDE question what are you looking at for the lease. Reason i am asking is i work for (not at Port) that "company" on Buller st, opposite the "Country" Comfort and they get vehicles at Government fleet price and i am waiting for a decision and price P.A. for an SS.
Thx in advance.

[sloone]

My lease over 4 years,
$32000 Car @4.5% (2nd hand 2001 vxss) $10000 residual, 1200 maintenance (blew that on first set of tyres), 500 reg, 800 ins, 2800 fuel = 15000 km = 20% FBT, however will get at least 25001 km = 11% FBT (difference between 2 should then pay for the extra fuel). $350 out of pocket per f/n.
Only extra would be the FBT and lease cost.

Steve

[Spectrum]

Well, I've found someone who knows what he's doing, and I'm scheduled to get the Stage 1 Mods done as follows:

NZSV twin big bore exhaust (single muffler)
NZSV hi-flow throttle body
NZSV cold air induction

The price is reasonable and very comparable with what I have been quoted by others, but I like this guy's background. One of his customers is getting Stage II done on his LX8, so I'll wait to see what happens and then consider whether or not to take the plunge....

http://www.nzsv.co.nz/index.php

[Martin_D]

Stage II NZSV package..............
consists of
-------------------------------------
Stage II NZSV chrome extractors $640.00
NZSV fitting of extractors $120.00
NZSV high flow air meter $1280.00
NZSV computer upgrade $950.00
Total: $2790.00
-------------------------------------

Especially like the chrome extractors
Welcome to 2001

[seldo]

Stage II NZSV package..............


Especially like the chrome extractors
Welcome to 2001
It is NZ... :stick:

[seldo]

Stage II NZSV package..............


Especially like the chrome extractors
Welcome to 2001
It is NZ don't forget... :stick:

[Martin_D]

You dont need to say it twice ay matey....
Or is that once for each of their heads?

[seldo]

You dont need to say it twice ay matey....
Or is that once for each of their heads?
Sorry about that aye! Got interupted and must hev sent it again aye! Ut was just the mussus asking me to colluct the kuds from the pull after skull..:)

[Martin_D]

You are fully suk matey!

[seldo]

You are fully suk matey!
Wull! Lut me tull you matey - sux uv me mates knucked the buggest chulley-bun you've iver seen end putt ut un the beck of tha Velient, full to the brum wuth icy cold DB. Talk about pussed! Aye! But, thus uz a butt O/T uzn't ut?
:cheers:

[Davidm]

Mate if its not a RUDE question what are you looking at for the lease. Reason i am asking is i work for (not at Port) that "company" on Buller st, opposite the "Country" Comfort and they get vehicles at Government fleet price and i am waiting for a decision and price P.A. for an SS.
Thx in advance.

Can't help you now, I've been refused a lease from the head honcho. My manager approved it, then the Director approved it, but the General Manager over the directors put the sword in. Basically national fleet rate gets the car on the road at Holdens recommended retail price. Sounds like a good saving, but if you're not careful the FBT will kill you! Sounds stupid but the FBT you pay will outway the savings on the vehicle if you are not careful! But thats because you also get tax advantages under the novated system as you are salary sacrificing. 1. make sure you purchase on, or after July 1, and if you a low km driver, use the operations cost method to calc your FBT and see an accountant!!

[Spectrum]

Can't help you now, I've been refused a lease from the head honcho. My manager approved it, then the Director approved it, but the General Manager over the directors put the sword in.
He didn't kill it because of some corporate policy about different car sizes for separate levels in the management ladder?!?! Struck that once and walked out, set up my own company, and haven't looked back.....
:cool:

[Big Smooth]

I noticed F1 performance had one yesterday - driving out of the PO in Blackburn - it had the sticker on the windscreen.

Perhaps they are having a play with one?


Muzza,

I know for a fact that Starr Performance (also in Blackburn) have recently put their supercharger kit on one, and yes, it does have a Starr Performance sticker on the windscreen!!

I've also had the pleasure of a ride and it jumps off the line like you wouldn't believe (just ask the new yellow GT-P owner who was left 5-8 car lengths behind by the end of first gear!!)

The overall fuel consumption at the time read 16.9L/100 - and it gets a flogging.

It's a company vehicle so I imagine interested people could take it for a ride.

Cheers,
Big Smooth

[commomate]

Article on DRIVE (http://www.drive.com.au/news/article.asp?article=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/general/2004/06/03/FFX27VHRZUD.html) today comparing the Adventra, Territory and Kluger.
Interestingly, they rated the imported Kluger (based on the Camry) ahead of the two locals for off-road stuff. Doesnt sound good for the 'true blue' Holdens and Fords marketing about testing and building for local conditions.


Most other mags are rating the Ford best

[Swordie]

I’m looking forward to a test drive of the Adventra at the Melbourne 4x4 Training & Proving Ground in July.

It will be interesting to compare the car to a 2WD Wagon. I have no 4WD requirements apart from a safety perspective. I’m pretty happy with 2WD, the main thing is to adjust your driving style in the wet, when no one is around its fun playing with the backend under acceleration.

Also there was a review of the Avalanche in Melbourne Saturday Age if any one is interested. It had the usual Holden comments such as bagging the auto and said the suspension was bit harsh. It made a fair comment in that is a niche vehicle and probably fills that slot.

[Davidm]

He didn't kill it because of some corporate policy about different car sizes for separate levels in the management ladder?!?! Struck that once and walked out, set up my own company, and haven't looked back.....
:cool:

No, more along the lines of "Your not a Manager". Policy states managers have the option and normal staff have to make writen request. Thats pretty much it. Asked the GMs advice on what criteria I needed to address, did that, made writen request, got bounced! Some thing like 'we are getting new staff and need to make sure we have enough pool cool cars' was the excuse. That is BS as my Director is responsible for pool cars in my dept. and he gave me the ok. So I asked GM for possibility of review after new staff have settled in. His reply was, "happy to do a review, however it is unlikely that a person such as my self would not get favourable outcome!"

If GM from outset said no its for Managers only and policy also said that I would have no issue. However, after being advised of how to get one, then going about the process only to have the sword pushed in at the last minute p#ssed me off. Alot of my time wasted for nil result!!

Thinking of giving work the arse and starting own company as well!

[Spectrum]

No, more along the lines of "Your not a Manager". ...If GM from outset said no its for Managers only and policy also said that I would have no issue. However, after being advised of how to get one, then going about the process only to have the sword pushed in at the last minute p#ssed me off. Alot of my time wasted for nil result!!

Thinking of giving work the arse and starting own company as well!

I feel your frustration. First time I had a similar knockback was way back when Ford were releasing their first EA Falcon Model, the major change in shape, etc. I was a hotshot at this company, and the CEO said four of us at the same level can get whatever we wanted, within a budget. Not knowing any better, I talked the other three into going with the neweat EA Fairmonts. Came to the crunch and the CEO said we couldn't have it: I resigned on the spot, the other 3 went looking at Mistsis.....ended up getting the Fairmonts....what a mistake!! Rattles, bits falling off.....Returned it to Ford after 6 weeks and never drove another... :lol:

Good luck with your decision job-wise. I think most people would be amazed at what their skills are worth in the open market, once they make the move...

[emotive]

Muzza,

I know for a fact that Starr Performance (also in Blackburn) have recently put their supercharger kit on one, and yes, it does have a Starr Performance sticker on the windscreen!!

I've also had the pleasure of a ride and it jumps off the line like you wouldn't believe (just ask the new yellow GT-P owner who was left 5-8 car lengths behind by the end of first gear!!)

The overall fuel consumption at the time read 16.9L/100 - and it gets a flogging.

It's a company vehicle so I imagine interested people could take it for a ride.

Cheers,
Big Smooth

I had a ride is said vehicle over the weekend. Talk about launch!

Now has 275's filling out the guards, and looks tough.

[VX2VESS]

I had a ride is said vehicle over the weekend. Talk about launch!

Now has 275's filling out the guards, and looks tough.

how the transfer case going with all that power ? still stock one ?

[emotive]

how the transfer case going with all that power ? still stock one ?
They have been testing the stock setup for a few months now and are impressed with how well it is holding up with the supercharger. Current mule running at about 300rwkw because it is running stock exhaust. A customers Adventra with a custom welded exhaust and other trinkets is putting out a fair bit more with no probs to date.

Can't wait to see what they can do with a Coupe 4 with less weight.

[Spectrum]

It's amazing that they're getting 300RWKW running stock headers and cats, with only an aftermarket cat-back exhaust. They also run the s/charger @ 4 bar, and have done the MAF mod (to 4"), CAI, and edit. The 19" x 9" rims are custom jobs and the 275/35" on the 3.1/2" lowered ride apparently look fat. I can't wait to see the pictures...

I'll get the CAI, MAF and EDIT done on my LX8, and depending on the cost might spring fro the 19 x 9 wheels as well... :cool:

[VX2VESS]

one question i havn't received an answer to as yet on these.

The traction system to get AWD uses the brakes to hold one wheel hence making the other drive, no lsds. basically.

So what happens when they have heaps of power and all 4 wheels are trying to spin, are all the brakes on? well on often enough it isn't that quick. it would seem not going by this thread. I don't understand how this works yet in a case like this. seem to work well, but brake application when you have lots of frying power.

Can they smoke all the wheels ?

[Spectrum]

...So what happens when they have heaps of power and all 4 wheels are trying to spin, are all the brakes on? well on often enough it isn't that quick. it would seem not going by this thread. I don't understand how this works yet in a case like this. seem to work well, but brake application when you have lots of frying power.

Can they smoke all the wheels ? I don't pretend to understand how the Xtrac works, but I imagine that the 62/38% power split between rear/front would dictate largely which wheels get the brake treatment, and in which order/sequence. Imagine that the right wheels are on a sealed surface and the left wheels are on wet mud: I'd guess the left rear would break traction first before the the left front, and thus have the break applied first..

[Danv8]

how the transfer case going with all that power ? still stock one ?

The transfer can handle up to 750 nm so I was told.

[VX2VESS]

The transfer can handle up to 750 nm so I was told.

ahh if so the auto will be the weak point

[HSVMAN]

The Auto trans can handle more than that!

[VX2VESS]

it can ? i thought it was 500 nm or thereabouts without going and double checking that number.

[HSVMAN]

it can ? i thought it was 500 nm or thereabouts without going and double checking that number.
Standard output is 460 now, or 475 in Avalanche. Cant tell you exact figures have to go check myself but I know its way over 500 closer to 800 but then they arent going to tell you that...

[The Warden]

Standard output is 460 now, or 475 in Avalanche. Cant tell you exact figures have to go check myself but I know its way over 500 closer to 800 but then they arent going to tell you that...

Hummmm???, why did it take years (and an upgrade of the auto) before HSV put it in the GTS with only 510nm then????

:cheers:
Gordie

[warlobo]

It's amazing that they're getting 300RWKW running stock headers and cats, with only an aftermarket cat-back exhaust. They also run the s/charger @ 4 bar, and have done the MAF mod (to 4"), CAI, and edit. The 19" x 9" rims are custom jobs and the 275/35" on the 3.1/2" lowered ride apparently look fat. I can't wait to see the pictures...

I'll get the CAI, MAF and EDIT done on my LX8, and depending on the cost might spring fro the 19 x 9 wheels as well... :cool:


Wheels are not custom made, they're off another model vehicle... care to guess which one??

[msnealo]

What's with reviving all the 2 year old Adventra threads?:weirdo:

[possum22]

Must be everyone saying use the search function!

[Daggs68]

It's amazing that they're getting 300RWKW running stock headers and cats, with only an aftermarket cat-back exhaust. They also run the s/charger @ 4 bar, and have done the MAF mod (to 4"), CAI, and edit. The 19" x 9" rims are custom jobs and the 275/35" on the 3.1/2" lowered ride apparently look fat. I can't wait to see the pictures...

I'll get the CAI, MAF and EDIT done on my LX8, and depending on the cost might spring fro the 19 x 9 wheels as well... :cool:

I know this is an old thread, but I am loooking at an Adventra and after taking it for a drive would love to know what the outcome of this Starr Performance Mule was, eventually.
The one I drove was also on lpg, a direct injection system...... not bad .....
But I would like more :yahoo:

Any updates. Been using the search function to try find stuff on Adventra's and been reading heaps. Want more info !!!!!

Cheers
Darryl

[mbabs1]

how well did the lpg system go on it was looking at putting one on mine

[bonners]

From a car point of view, I used to love mine. Well appointed with heaps of gear etc. problem was the AWD system made it the heaviest commodore. And the same system made my car drink fuel like it was going out of fashion. 21L/100 was the norm for me. My cammed VE doesn't do that.

The addition of LPG would make a huge difference I suspect.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-27.462898,153.029864

[mbabs1]

All the mechanics I take my car too keep telling me LPG is a bad idea. I wonder if that's just because they haven't had any expirence with the new systems?

[mickeyVX350]

Bad idea.. Definitely.. I mean, in the last 100,000Km in my car the gas has done... um... um... NO damage!

[mbabs1]

What sort of fuel usage do you see with the gas?