The Next Monaro

[LX346]

What will the changes be to the next Model/Series Monaro?

When will it come out?

[group 3]

I was only talking to somebody at GMH last night about it, wish I wrote it down!!

He did mention that it'll have exhaust outlets on either side of the rear bumper and that it looks a lot more agressive than the current model. He also said something about it having a different bonnet with 'nostrils' but that may've been for the GTO... also something about the indicators being moved into the bumper at the front and the rear bumper being more like the current HSV style rear bumper...

He felt that they could've been a bit more agressive with the look of the car in his opinion but he thought it was a big improvement, he also mentioned that the rear styling hasn't changed too much.

He said the VZ wasn't massively changed from the VY (cosmetically that is!), he reckoned the front end was the main change with different bonnet and guards not unlike the BA in some respects. He also said the side indicators would be recessed into the front guards and tailights are somehow more elongated than the VY.

Apparently VY production will cease in approx 4 weeks....

[Buckshot]

So when is the next Monaro due ?

[Old Kiwi]

I dream of a "baby" Monaro. - take away the backseats, rear overhang, 40mm roof chop, lightweight aluminum doors, bonnet, boot and other panels = Nissan 350Z with LS2 and Monaro styling :D

[hsvrichie]

So when is the next Monaro due ?

around the same time as the VZ commie, so thats oct, september time

[Dacious]

I dream of a "baby" Monaro. - take away the backseats, rear overhang, 40mm roof chop, lightweight aluminum doors, bonnet, boot and other panels = Nissan 350Z with LS2 and Monaro styling :D

Where are you gonna fit your head? I'm not that tall at 5'11" or 183 cm and with the seat in the lowest posi I don't have much noggin room.

Aluminium doesn't save as much weight as you think, as it has to be thicker to hold it's shape and is harder to prepare, repair, finish and prevent from fatiguing. You need carbon-fibre to actually be much lighter. Problem is, then you either have to fill the surface texture and sealer/surfacer weighs a ton (starts to approach tin in weight), or like the 'Enzo' Ferrari leave the weave texture in the surface and live with the less-than-mirror-like look. I know someone who owned a prototype Bolwell Nagari with very thin fibreglass panels which cracked repeatedly when driven and could not bear any weight at all, barely even support themselves.

It would be better to lose weight in areas like the suspension arms in the current car, which have iron Commodore forgings, which would also contribute to a reduction in unsprung weight and therefore improved suspension response and compliance. The whole chassis is engineered to take commercial, wagon and longwheelbase loads which the Monaro will never carry. Conversely, it also means the chassis should last as long or longer than anything else Holden makes.

With modern computer design and modelling the should be able to work out how to make components only as dimensionally large as they need to be. You don't want to go too far like Lotus and Ferraris where the body is also half-worn out at 70,000km.

[Danv8]

I dream of a "baby" Monaro. - take away the backseats, rear overhang, 40mm roof chop, lightweight aluminum doors, bonnet, boot and other panels = Nissan 350Z with LS2 and Monaro styling :D

Better delete the roof completely so I can actually sit in the car. :p

[Old Kiwi]

Where are you gonna fit your head? I'm not that tall at 5'11" or 183 cm and with the seat in the lowest posi I don't have much noggin room.


Lower seat? :lol: (hey I'm 183cm as well, but 6' :eek: )

Sounds like you know quite a bit about chassis engineering. I'm quite keen on seeing something from Holden that is halfway towards the HRT427 (body, interior, suspension, but leave the engine for the customer to mod)

[BOBGEN111]

Next monaro will get the bonnet scoopes, volt and oil pressure gauges, 250 kw, upgraded auto (same as USA GTO), newer six speed woth different 1st and 2nd ratio (same as USA GTO), twin exhaust and electronic throttle control.

[mavss]

The next Monaro should also get the considerable power output of the GTO.

Only then would I consider paying the extra 10k over the SS.

[TriShield]

And here I was hoping you guys were talking about the redesigned Monaro for 2007. :o

[GOTACV8]

Next monaro will get the bonnet scoopes, volt and oil pressure gauges, 250 kw, upgraded auto (same as USA GTO), newer six speed woth different 1st and 2nd ratio (same as USA GTO), twin exhaust and electronic throttle control.

So, we're getting a watered down Pontiac GTO... :mad:

In regard to the twin exhaust - does this mean that the Monaro will have a fuel tank in the boot? Or have they redesigned the boot floor?
The boot is bad enough with those poorly designed bootlid hinges always getting in the way. Let's hope they didn't make it worse by whacking the fuel tank in there as well.
Does it still have a space saver spare wheel? Have they worked out how to make the boot lid shut on the first go yet?

Have they upgraded the brakes? I saw some nice looking GTO branded calipers on a Monaro/GTO mule the other night - it had a twin exhaust and no fuel tank underneath - you can see the diff from behind.

How about the electric seats? Many current owners are complaining about the seat base rocking. Have they improved the design?

If Holden are expecting to sell these to current Monaro owners changing over, they'll have to do much more than chuck in some crappy gauges. Concentrating on quality would be a step on the right direction.

Cheers, :D

[Dacious]

So, we're getting a watered down Pontiac GTO... :mad:

In regard to the twin exhaust - does this mean that the Monaro will have a fuel tank in the boot? Or have they redesigned the boot floor?
The boot is bad enough with those poorly designed bootlid hinges always getting in the way. Let's hope they didn't make it worse by whacking the fuel tank in there as well.
:D

I understand the '05 is getting the GTO tank/exhaust setup which is one reason I sprang for an '04 - without splitfold seats the boot really is as small as I'd like (plus I like the colour on mine which is not continuing into next year). 15kw extra only also suggests no LS2 - should be more like 40kw. Mebbe it's just getting the standard Clubby tune. If they're adding the heavyhanded front/rear styling from the spyshots that's another negative IMO. Still I guess they have to do something. It's sold better than expected, but sales are slow.

I hope the brakes retrofit - about the only thing I think is a bit deficient. More power would always be nice, but it chirps the tyress with T/C on now.

I found adjusting the boot catch up slightly (13mm socket) helps the bootlid latch better.

[BOBGEN111]

Fuel tank is in the boot. I am not sure if they get different calipers but they are red with monaro printed on them.

[FunkyPig]

So The Pontiac GTO gets the LS2, while the Monaro gets an LS1 with less power than the original 04 GTO? Holden appears to be holding this new motor back for maximum marketing effect later on. I have read in magazines that HSV's get LS2 first, but no where have I read of any Australian versions getting the LS2 anytime around when the American version gets it.
Wowee Monaro keeps same engine, and gets a much smaller boot and ugly pointless scoops, raspy dual exhaust and brakes are obviously welcome though. So... is it a big secret that Aussie spec Holdens get LS2 at years end like the GTO, or is Holden giving the best stuff to the yanks 1, 2 or 3 years earlier?

[SSbaby]

Next monaro will get the bonnet scoopes, volt and oil pressure gauges, 250 kw, upgraded auto (same as USA GTO), newer six speed woth different 1st and 2nd ratio (same as USA GTO), twin exhaust and electronic throttle control.


Electronic Throttle Control can only mean one thing... Monaro will get the LS2. There is no ETC for the LS1 and the LS2's 90mm TB will not be compatible/interchangable with the LS1's mechanical TB.

[GOTACV8]

Fuel tank is in the boot. I am not sure if they get different calipers but they are red with monaro printed on them.

Yep, the calipers must be the same as what I saw - red with white lettering -"GTO".

[group 3]

Electronic Throttle Control can only mean one thing... Monaro will get the LS2. There is no ETC for the LS1 and the LS2's 90mm TB will not be compatible/interchangable with the LS1's mechanical TB.

I don't know if the person I spoke to meant the Commodore or the Monaro but he did say that the cars he saw all had a big red 'kill' button on the dash in case anything went wrong with the fly by wire throttle. Needless to say the button will not be a standard feature on the new cars... :lol:

[seldo]

[QUOTE=Dacious]......
It would be better to lose weight in areas like the suspension arms in the current car, which have iron Commodore forgings, which would also contribute to a reduction in unsprung weight and therefore improved suspension response and compliance...... QUOTE]
I'm told the new AWD Monaro has forged alloy suspension arms but i don't know if it carries over to the RWD version. I somehow think not, because I think it was only to accomodate the front knuckles required for the AWD system

[IIV8II]

C5 Corvette's LS1 has FBW throttle...?

[bobg]

Electronic Throttle Control can only mean one thing... Monaro will get the LS2. There is no ETC for the LS1 and the LS2's 90mm TB will not be compatible/interchangable with the LS1's mechanical TB.

Not necessarily. They could modify the LS1 throttle body or fit a different throttle body.

The BA Falcon has electronic throttle control but the AU did not. Ford still uses the same basic 6 cylinder engine though.

[SSbaby]

Not necessarily. They could modify the LS1 throttle body or fit a different throttle body.

The BA Falcon has electronic throttle control but the AU did not. Ford still uses the same basic 6 cylinder engine though.

Yes, but my point being, why would Holden bother with LS2 imminent?

Just out of interest, does the LS6 have ETC?

[naff]

i was talking to a friend who recently saw a cv8 monaro with the twin exhausts and bonnet vents inside the factory and it also had 6L badges/badge on it somewhere. I didn't pay much attention to what he was saying but it had only subtle changes to the front and rear other than that.

[BigG]

Hi All,

Can definately confirm that new (read revised same car) will have bonnet nostrils/vent/scoop, what ever you eant to call it.

A neighbour works at GM in the design dept and shared with me some images that were being implemented for the revised machine.

In all it's pretty much the same car - but isnt that the way GM have always played the game?

For my 2c - pick up a run out model munro when the new one comes out. Same machine and a few after market mods will always beat a factory setup :)

[Kirium]

Bonnet scoops???? :spew:

[chops]

Mate of mine drove 6.0L '05 GTO at work last week, (he works at Holden factory).
Said he loved the engine, but not the styling.
Also said he'd love to get a pic of it for me, but he likes his job.

[TriShield]

It was confirmed awhile ago (through a GM media website slip up - info was put up way too soon and summarily taken down) that the 2005 Pontiac GTO will have the new LS2 V8 standard, larger brakes, body colored brake calipers, revised rear bumper with split exhausts, two new colors, a revised spoiler, and optional bonnet scoops.

That's enough to convince me the 2005 model is worth waiting for. :D

[TriShield]

Just out of interest, does the LS6 have ETC?

No, it's never had ETC.

[Dacious]

Hi All,
For my 2c - pick up a run out model munro when the new one comes out. Same machine and a few after market mods will always beat a factory setup :)


Glad I bought mine when I did. Did a search on Carsales - not many new '04s left in this state.

I even think the brakes are alright now - just the pedal feel takes some getting used to. Still like bigger rotors.

Gets smoother and smoother - 3,000km and oil level hasn't moved on the dipstick (touch wood). :)

Also got my natty alloy Monaro keytag in the mail last night with a nice letter from our mate Dennis Mooney thanking me for buying a Monaro! ;)

Some little prick tried keying the side - fortunately the little soft**** must have used a silver coin and the marks buffed straight out. :mad: The clear coat on these things is tough. :D

[Knight Phlier]

The CV6 was discontinued in the Series II? I believe, probably because of the power and that not many were sold. Nonetheless, does anyone know if it will be revived this year with a turbo version of the new HFC V6 motor Holden are bringing out in the VZ Commodore?


(Not that I would get a Turbo 6 over a LS2 or LS1!!)> But this may be a cheaper alternative to the $60K ask, and if I remember the CV6 was around $10K cheaper than the CV8? with less bits and pieces like 17" wheels, a less upmarket interior etc..

[BOBGEN111]

Electronic Throttle Control can only mean one thing... Monaro will get the LS2. There is no ETC for the LS1 and the LS2's 90mm TB will not be compatible/interchangable with the LS1's mechanical TB.


It is not an ls2 (6.0L if that is what you think), it is a 5.7L (ls1/ls6) with etc.

We did have the big kill switch on the cars if something went wrong but not anymore.