Radar Jammers that actually work

[markone2]

Just watched an interesting segment on 5th Gear (Lifestyle channel) about Radar Jammers in England that actually work. These are marketed as *Target* remote auto garage door openers and it is the receiving end of the garage remote that when fitted to your car sends an EO4 Error code straight back at the offending radar gun effectively jamming it.
They are fitted in around one hour and hidden behind your number plate….bloody simple when you stop and think about it….so who’s the resident electronics whiz around here :D

[Rt!]

got a website?
I doubt it will work for line of sight laser traps and inductive types in fixed speed cameras...
behind the numberplate.. its reflective!

[Drizzt]

A bloke at work has just showed me in passing today the radar/laser detector he bought off a yank website last weekand received today. It's powered by the cigarette lighter socket and quite small. I'll try to get some pics of it tomorrow if he still has it in.


Drizzt

[my_Berlina]

A bloke at work has just showed me in passing today the radar/laser detector he bought off a yank website last weekand received today. It's powered by the cigarette lighter socket and quite small. I'll try to get some pics of it tomorrow if he still has it in.
Drizzt

I think I recall that the US uses diff frequencys for their radar to here.
and beware the detector detector.

Dave !

[Drizzt]

I think I recall that the US uses diff frequencys for their radar to here.
and beware the detector detector.

Dave !

My mate was talking bout taking it a part and wireing it directly to the dash with a relay so it only turned on when the car was moving. It's not a bad idea and if it works :thumbsup:


Drizzt

[Old Kiwi]

There's a link to a story here:

http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/5th_Gear_Radar_Detectors.wmv

Not sure if its the same one, you'll have to let us know
(big file 26,000kb)

[C4B]

Yeah I saw the same segment on 5th Gear, and it's a pretty compact unit.

For those that didn't see it, its about the size of a cigarette packet and it sits underneath (or anywhere close to) your numberplate. Basically its just a combination, Laser detector and a Laser Diode.

When it detects a laser (from a LIDAR gun), it shoots back its own laser and drowns out the reflected signal from the gun.

Pretty good gadget, but if you got caught with one you'd be in big shit, because unlike a radar detector that tells you the radar is there, this one actively prevents the LIDAR from operating. I think they said on 5th gear if you get caught, you'll get charged with Obstruction of Justice or something similar......

[MyCat-cc]

I think I recall that the US uses diff frequencys for their radar to here.
and beware the detector detector.

Dave !

detector detectors - sounds like a load of bull$hit to me.
How prey-tell do the hitler youth detect a passive receiver ?

:confused:

[Brendan]

How prey-tell do the hitler youth detect a passive receiver ?

Radar detector detectors work by detecting the emissions from the local oscillator of the detectors receiver.

[chook]

detector detectors - sounds like a load of bull$hit to me.
How prey-tell do the hitler youth detect a passive receiver ?

:confused:

I know nothing about electronics or Radar, but my understanding is that detectors are not 100% passive. I have read(??) that every detector in fact sends out a signal in order to detect the radar. Apparently (if you believe it) the police have modified actual detectors to detect the detectors. Now this could be crap but I do know of a friend who had a detector in his car hidden. The cops pulled him over whilst he was at some traffic lights accusing him of having a detector and searched his car. In the end he owned up before they stripped his car. So who knows. Any radar experts wish to comment.

[Spectrum]

Anyone tried the "VEIL" paint? Sounds like some sci-fi cloaking discovery..

"VEIL is a laser absorbent stealth paint whose purpose is to hamper LIDAR's ability to obtain a speed reading, at a typical targeting distance of 800-1300 feet (240m-400m). Reductions of the effective targeting range can exceed 50% or 700 feet (210m). That equates to about 7 seconds of reaction time at 70mph (120kph) and about 10 seconds at 50mph (85kph), allowing those VEILed more time to slow down.".

http://www.laserveil.com/laser-jammers-veil-faqs/

[300KWCV8]

I know nothing about electronics or Radar, but my understanding is that detectors are not 100% passive. I have read(??) that every detector in fact sends out a signal in order to detect the radar. Apparently (if you believe it) the police have modified actual detectors to detect the detectors. Now this could be crap but I do know of a friend who had a detector in his car hidden. The cops pulled him over whilst he was at some traffic lights accusing him of having a detector and searched his car. In the end he owned up before they stripped his car. So who knows. Any radar experts wish to comment.

Detector detectors definiately exist, but in saying that there is only a few running around eg: I know there is only one that operates on the Hume Highway between the Vic border and Sydney, so you would have to be unlucky to be caught. I have a detector and travel that highway regularly and haven't been caught in over 3 years :lol: .

[Mongy]

Yeh, in QLD we apparently only have 2 of the detector detector units in operation. One works out of the Brisbane metro somewhere and the other is based at Townsville, or so I've been told from a fairly reliable source. They are mailnly there to target truck operators because they tend to have detectors more so than the general motoring public but anybody could get caught by them depending on where they are working. I'm not sure if they pick up the "passive" detectors but I had a mate who had one and he said his did not give enough notice, paticularly with the QLD camera vans where the beam is angled away from approaching traffic and shoots you up the blurter as you go past, he said by the time it warned him he had spotted the van anyway.

[VKCommo]

Yep. SA police currently have a detector detector floating around the riverland atm. The do not have many of these, and I only know of the one.

[borry]

anyone wanna pm me some more information about htese detectors ? only having a VERY limited amount of points left on my license it could be handy, havent heard much about them before... whats the fine for being detected with a detector ?

[300KWCV8]

anyone wanna pm me some more information about htese detectors ? only having a VERY limited amount of points left on my license it could be handy, havent heard much about them before... whats the fine for being detected with a detector ?

Search through the internet, thats where I got mine from. They are still legal in WA to sell and use, legal in QLD to sell but not use :bash: , or this was the case a few years ago. Fine is upward of $1200.00 + the loss of the detector (approx $1000) + points now I think, so it does add up.

[PeterS]

I know nothing about electronics or Radar, but my understanding is that detectors are not 100% passive. I have read(??) that every detector in fact sends out a signal in order to detect the radar. Any radar experts wish to comment.

All radar detectors are an active device. If you put power in to it, then it is "active". You can not detect a signal with a passive device (for the amateur radio people, no, you can't detect at these frequencies with a "cat's hair whisker").


Apparently (if you believe it) the police have modified actual detectors to detect the detectors. Now this could be crap but I do know of a friend who had a detector in his car hidden. The cops pulled him over whilst he was at some traffic lights accusing him of having a detector and searched his car. In the end he owned up before they stripped his car. So who knows..

Yes, true. The detector detector actually works by detecting the local oscillator (LO) signal that your detector generates to demod the signal. Really is no big deal, just retune the detector detector. Note, that ALL receiving devices have a LO, even you car radio.


Any radar experts wish to comment.
My background is 30 years as a military & Air Services Radar tech. But I'm definately no expert.

Cheers.

[MyCat-cc]

Radar detector detectors work by detecting the emissions from the local oscillator of the detectors receiver.

But just about everything from your car radio down to your digital watch has an oscillator of some description doesnt it ?

[Rt!]

at a different frequency i suppose

[goffa]

After leaving WA in 2000 and driving to Canberra, I was picked up in NSW with my radar/laser detector, fine was $1326, and nearly that again for refusing to hand it over (as it was installed under the dash and had wires running threw roof lining to rear detector)....I was then given 24 hours to hand it in to a NSW police station and the second fine was cancelled.
So as any smart person would, I visited my local dick smith store and for a stuff all money put to gether what looked like a detector and handed it in!!!
Including speeding fine, made for one expensive trip!

[C4B]

After leaving WA in 2000 and driving to Canberra, I was picked up in NSW with my radar/laser detector, fine was $1326, and nearly that again for refusing to hand it over (as it was installed under the dash and had wires running threw roof lining to rear detector)....I was then given 24 hours to hand it in to a NSW police station and the second fine was cancelled.
So as any smart person would, I visited my local dick smith store and for a stuff all money put to gether what looked like a detector and handed it in!!!
Including speeding fine, made for one expensive trip!

So did you try and bluff your way out of it first?

[seldo]

[QUOTE=goffa]....So as any smart person would, I visited my local dick smith store and for a stuff all money put to gether what looked like a detector and handed it in!!!....
QUOTE]

:lol: Legend! I just love it! :lol:

[flappist]

RDD units sniff for the local osc of you detector, actually they sniff for anything above about a gig (1000 Mhz)
Coppers will hammer you and look for the "guilty look" if they suspect you.
The RDD gives lots of false readings and a number of coppers have ended up with lots of egg on their faces.

Another common method for detection of detectors is to come up behind a line a traffic and transmit. He who brakes is suspect.

The little red/green light up on the flap is a dead giveaway too.

Ammusingly the mobile and fixed radars in OZ are all (with the exception of a few in west OZ) on 24 and a bit Ghz. This is a primary amateur radio band (i.e. hams have precedence). If you have a ham licence you can legally whack out up to 400w into a gain antenna, coppers are limited to milliwatts.
This tends to bugger up the radar in a big way and frys a few budgies too.
Frederal law (Comms act) will take precedence over State law (traffic act) but you will be in for a fight.
(please no stress about making 400w @ 24Ghz, I know how hard it is, 26dbm and a small horn works well though)

If you get rolled make sure you are prepared to be searched and harrassed a LOT, remember most traffic cops aren't there because they are nice guys.

I nearly got away with it once in NSW about 15 years ago until I remembered I had a heap of automatic weapons (SMGs) in the boot, a QLD gun licence and I was in Guyra after 5pm on a Friday.
Trying to explain these to the gestapo would have been a lot harder than handing them the detector and copping the $868 fine.

[The Warden]

Finally, one advantage us Kiwi's have over OZ, detectors are legal here. I just stick mine on the windscreen below the rear view mirror when on the highway. Who cares if plod detects it? Bugger all he can do :D

Mind you, it pays to hide them when you park, the streetkids smash your side window and steal them. A mates XR8 got done in broad daylight outside his office, he had to report his detector stolen to the cops so he could claim the insurance... plod didn't raise an eyebrow.

[Brendan]

Ammusingly the mobile and fixed radars in OZ are all (with the exception of a few in west OZ) on 24 and a bit Ghz. This is a primary amateur radio band (i.e. hams have precedence). If you have a ham licence you can legally whack out up to 400w into a gain antenna, coppers are limited to milliwatts.

HUH??? :eek: WTF do hams have in K band?

[Devil CV8]

Detector detectors definiately exist, but in saying that there is only a few running around eg: I know there is only one that operates on the Hume Highway between the Vic border and Sydney, so you would have to be unlucky to be caught. I have a detector and travel that highway regularly and haven't been caught in over 3 years :lol: .
I agree that not many HWP cars have RDD's but my understanding was Goulburn HWP have a few of their cars fitted with them, and were in fact one of the first areas to get them.

In NSW the ombudsman has laid down some guidelines for police searches for detectors. Basically they can not search people or luggage or disassemble the car searching for it. They can not send you somewhere to have your car searched. Mind you, they can and probably would search you, your luggage and strip your car because they suspect there are drugs or firearms hidden. A well hidden detector with seperate components would allow you to get away with having one mainly due to the fact I doubt forensic cops will go over every inch of your car looking for it.
Deny deny deny, its up to the cops to prove you have a detector and have failed to surrender it.....

[goffa]

So did you try and bluff your way out of it first?

Try I did! When they first pulled me up they said they had detected I had a radar detector on board, I said thats not possible (as you do). Anyway long story short....they said it was obvious to blind fredy that I had one, do to the fact as soon as they hit the radar as driving towards me...they noticed my car nose dive (as you know radar has to pick up your speed x-amount of times in a poofteenth of a second to give reading and seeing how I jammed em on at 175 and they could not get reading till I backed off 132...they had a fair idea....so I took it like a man that day (pig 1,goffa 0) but Ive given a fair go changing those stats since!!!!!!

[flappist]

HUH??? :eek: WTF do hams have in K band?
24-24.250Ghz Amateur Primary

[Brendan]

24-24.250Ghz Amateur Primary

What's that used for? Voice? Datalink? Satcom? Cooking stuff?

[Old Kiwi]

Finally, one advantage us Kiwi's have over OZ, detectors are legal here. I just stick mine on the windscreen below the rear view mirror when on the highway. Who cares if plod detects it? Bugger all he can do :D

Mind you, it pays to hide them when you park, the streetkids smash your side window and steal them. A mates XR8 got done in broad daylight outside his office, he had to report his detector stolen to the cops so he could claim the insurance... plod didn't raise an eyebrow.

You should put it up high behind the tinted part of the windscreen - its much harder to see which means the theives cant see it, and more importantly, neither can the cops. Its impossable to talk your way out of a ticket if you have a radar :( I know - been there done that - the cop said to me "I might belive your story, and let you off if that radar wasnt there" :( :(

[Mongy]

One thing is if you have a detector DON'T FORGET TO SWITCH IT OFF if you are pulled over for ANY reason. That is how they got mine. I was pulled over for a very rare RBT and as the guy was standing at my door making me blow into the machine his mate pointed a hand held at my car and the bloody thing went off. Ooops

[Jphdg]

What's that used for? Voice? Datalink? Satcom? Cooking stuff?

24 - 24.05 Ghz is the allocation for Amateur use mostly for earth exploration - Satellite services.
In this band there is also experimentation with voice, High speed point to point data and video transmissions, however; the 10Ghz segments are more popular for the above, mostly video and data.

hmm don't want ya balls near these transmissions.
:lol:

[caseyp]

I suggest you contact Creative Electronics in Sydney. They supply Radar detectors, and Laser detectors and jammers. I can recommend their services. I have one of their 1990 vintage units ( it has had a few upgrades over the years) and it is brillant. Mind you it will only do normal radars such as mobile and stationary, not laser, but laser units are available at a cost. It has saved me a fortune. If the mobile operator is dumb and has the unit Active all the time, I get up to 7 KLM warning. Over the past 14 years it has cost me $1400.00 for the purchase and the upgrades which is cheap compared to the fines and the points it will cost you.
PS their unit are 100% UNDETECTABLE.
Can we get spell check on this site, as it worries me that i don't have that little red line under all the mis spelt words. this also could meen i spell just graet.

[Drizzt]

The unit my mate bought is a Cobra ESD9110. It goes K band, KA band and X band as well as laser. Another mate at work has just bought one of these for $55AUD from ebay. I'm looking to pick up one too.


Drizzt

[Rt!]

you're kidding?!
well, once you find one for yourself, I'll take one too!
Cheers :P

[VooDoo]

*cough* make it 3 :D

[The Warden]

I'm not sure if OZ is the same as NZ, but X and K are useless, the cops don't use them (well, they do have a few K band units apparently, but I've never had an alert from police K band) It's X and K theat cause all the false alerts, they're turned off on mine. I leave it in Highway mode, scanning Ka and Lazer only, if it goes off, 99% of the time it's the fuzz....

Gordie

[ROGUE]

[QUOTE=caseyp]
PS their unit are 100% UNDETECTABLE.
[QUOTE]

does it have a power source? if it has power running through it, then it is also emitting a frequency. therefore, detectable!

[Drizzt]

To anyone who's interested, my mate bought off ebay and I probably will too. The link is http://search.ebay.com/cobra_Car-Electronics_W0QQfromZR3QQsacategoryZ3270QQsosortpr opertyZ1


Drizzt

[O5BRKY]

detector detectors - sounds like a load of bull$hit to me.
How prey-tell do the hitler youth detect a passive receiver ?

:confused:
The Radar Detector Detector that OZ Police use is made in Queensland by Stealth Micro Systems, the unit is called the Stalcar MD3, has been revised 3 times since its' launch about 3-4 yrs ago. Currently they are VERY hard to buy unless it is a law enforcement agency, they are starting to be sold overseas in Canada,US and a couple of other countries as the Spectre, so in time a radar detector company will be able to defeat it. It has been defeated before,but SMS keep adjusting the units to cover radar detectors changes.
They can pick up certain radar detectors from about 1200 feet (cheap ones) or the least 400 feet (the better ones). They are normally mounted up high on the frt windscreen to make it hard to visually see. :)

[Devil CV8]

The unit my mate bought is a Cobra ESD9110. It goes K band, KA band and X band as well as laser. Another mate at work has just bought one of these for $55AUD from ebay. I'm looking to pick up one too.


Drizzt
Are you sure about the$55 Aud, as the only ones on there now are $55 USD

[Jphdg]

I would not forget about tha alternatives to radar detectors / jammers etc.

There is also a few nice products on the market that you spray onto your plates or install a 'cloak cover' over them to make them over expose and distort a photo if you get done by a speed camera or red light job. It however does not stop you getting pinged if a cop has a radar gun on you, but sometimes a compromise can be better if you are careful out there and don't want to run a higher risk of a bust with an active radar detector. If they bust ya with a radar detector in many states of Aus, you are in serious trouble and also lose your detector plus probably a few points too :bash:

One other thing to add is that if you do the job properly with the spray it is hard for cops to see the film sprayed over the plates with the naked eye, but if they were really sus about you and took your plates to be examined, they will probably bust you for it.

A friend of mine had a detector confiscated and copped a very large fine for it. Since then I was a bit worried to use mine after that and hearing about the radar detector detectors that are around now I might try this spray stuff as an alternative which is advertised at:

http://www.ghostplates.com/photoblocker.html

Has anyone else on here had good results or bad results with this stuff?

:p

[Tyre biter]

Caseyp: "If the mobile operator is dumb and has the unit Active all the time, I get up to 7 KLM warning."

Not dumb, just lazy :rolleyes: ! But dead right, the operator letting the instrument 'run' is a godsend to us all! Not a great idea to advertise the sellers of your kit though, what with it being an offence to offer for sale...but I am sure we all appreciate the sentiment.

I've seen a few 'esteemed US origin' radar and laser 'jammers' run through Silver Ealgle K and Ka band radars, and LTI 20/20 and Ultralyte lasers. None have ever worker sufficiently to assist and are an absolute waste of $$$.

Standard detectors on the other hand, wonderful piece of kit unless you face an operator other than caseyp's experience. If you do, you'll may unfortunately learn that he/she knows what you have...without any need for a dectector-detector either.

Hey, just back home from the Solomons for a couple of weeks and the bride tells me that Vic Pol have dropped their stupid '3km/h over and you are in rule' - any truth to this???

Cheers, Craig

[Drizzt]

Are you sure about the$55 Aud, as the only ones on there now are $55 USD

It was when he put in payment from his paypal account a couple of days ago. ~$37USD which converts to ~$55-54AUD. I just had a look and they've all gone up in price. :mad:


Drizzt

[VYSSBlack]

Radar and laser detectors are available in WA ( still legal there ) Most modern detectors have "cloaking features" from detector detectors. This is done by cutting power to the majority of the circuits after it has picked up a radar/laser.
I have been told that the same company that built the earlier radar detectors also built the detector detectors.
Thats one sure way of making a profit and selling new products.

The number paint spray doesnt work so well and it is easily visable to the naked eye. It is just a glossy clear coat paint with glitter in it for $45 a can.

[O5BRKY]

Caseyp:
Hey, just back home from the Solomons for a couple of weeks and the bride tells me that Vic Pol have dropped their stupid '3km/h over and you are in rule' - any truth to this???

Cheers, Craig

Speed Cameras were the units where the so call 3 km/h over was applied, but infact the threshold was still,there minus 3 km/h, MOST case the thresholds are/were:
50 zone- 57 km/h,camera threshold setting went off at 57 , minus 3 k's ,you get a fine for 54km/h
60 zone- 66km/h,camera threshold setting went off at 66, minus 3 k's ,you get a fine for 63 km/h

Mobile or handheld units still 10 %

[Devil CV8]

It was when he put in payment from his paypal account a couple of days ago. ~$37USD which converts to ~$55-54AUD. I just had a look and they've all gone up in price. :mad:


Drizzt
OK.... His only problem now is will the detector get through customs, unless of course he is getting it sent to a friend in WA... I believe (although subject to correction) that customs will confiscate the detector if it is being imported to a state where it is illegal to have one....

[Jphdg]

OK.... His only problem now is will the detector get through customs, unless of course he is getting it sent to a friend in WA... I believe (although subject to correction) that customs will confiscate the detector if it is being imported to a state where it is illegal to have one....


I bought a detector about 4 years ago from ebay and it came from the states. I managed to receive it without a problem but then again I may have been lucky as it was before the september 11 thing etc and now they are really strict on what gomes in so who knows these days :(

[flappist]

Detectors are not prohibited imports, customs can't touch them.

[Devil CV8]

Detectors are not prohibited imports, customs can't touch them.
OK. thanks for that

[jaytee]

A bloke at work has just showed me in passing today the radar/laser detector he bought off a yank website last weekand received today. It's powered by the cigarette lighter socket and quite small. I'll try to get some pics of it tomorrow if he still has it in.


Drizzt
ALL RADAR DETECORS ARE DETECTABLE, SEE http://www.stalkerradar.com/rdd/Stalker-Spectre-III-Radar-Detector-Detector.html

[jaytee]

:bash:
************BEWARE***********
ALL RADAR DETECTORS ARE DETECABLE BY RADAR DETECTOR DETECTOR (RDD)

I found out the hard way. In Adelaide it's a $253 fine and conviscation of the detector.

check out the following link.

http://www.stalkerradar.com/rdd/Stalker-Spectre-III-Radar-Detector-Detector.html

The cop showed me his unit, and it's the very same one as in this link.

[Devil CV8]

:bash:
************BEWARE***********
ALL RADAR DETECTORS ARE DETECABLE BY RADAR DETECTOR DETECTOR (RDD)
The cop showed me his unit, and it's the very same one as in this link.
They are only detectable if turned on. The best solution (apart from not having one) is to turn it off the instant you get a reading. Depending on your particular states laws depends on wether or not the cops would succeed in a case against you.
For example. NSW law does not allow the police to search a driver or passenger's bodies, their luggage or dismantle any part of the car searching for the detector. They can not defect the vehicle or send it anywhere to be searched. They may search glovebox, passenger and luggage compartments of the vehicle.



but on the subject of the stalcar detector detector.... good old aussie know being exported around the world...how

[Kirium]

www.australianradar.com.au is a good site with some good products by the look of it.. at a price tho... Plenty of news and info about Radar shoot outs in the US too, and info on what works and (more importantly) what doesn't work against the Sceptre MK3 RDD here.

[flappist]

There seems to be a lot of "interesting" information in this thread.
Here are a few points:
1) All radar detectors are detectable but some are very hard to detect (i.e. they have to be very close) The Stalcar (weapon of choice by QPOL) unfortunately (well fortunately for team good guy) is plagued by false alarms. There is a proceedure for identifying genuine detectors and of course a proceedure for you to hide it.
N.B. QPOL have shitloads of these things not 2. I have personally seen at least 5 in my local area.
i) If you see a police vehicle turn it off.
ii) Your detector will probably detect the Stalcar as it goes past, if you get a weird beep on K band and there is a late model commy or falc just passing you going the other way see step "i".
iii) If they suspect you they will flip around and come up behind you for a second reading. If they get one (because you are so docile that you did not notice them and are therefore probably too docile to be driving a performance motor vehicle) they will pull you over and assuming they do not actually see it will bully and bluff you into admitting it. Remember they deal with liars all the time are are VERY good at telling if you are fibbing. They will also do a QV, Polaris etc and may ruin your day in a big way.

2) Lidar jammers do not work, I have tried several of them with both model lidars used in QLD and if it is a Mk1 you are duckshit out to 400m, the new Mk2s go beyond 1 km. If the operator is getting a crap return they just aim the lidar at a different spot until they get a reading (or pull you over for QV etc etc).

3) The KR10 mobiles (24.150Ghz) have been bought back into service as the Ka band stuff can get a bit iffy in the rain. These work on a commy or falc out to about 1km but can go a lot further on flat roads or if you are driving a shoebox. If there are 2 vehicles in the beam it will take the lower speed (this is why you got away with it when overtaking sometimes).

4) radar jammers are an even bigger stuff up because:

i) you would have to jam both 24 & 36 Ghz, if not then you will probably get hammered by the wrong band
ii) you will set off the stalcar big time and will have extreme difficulty explaining it to SrCon Plod of woop woop Traffic and who does not care other than you are a grub and will be treated accordingly.
iii) if your jammer is K band and you have an amateur radio licence and you are VERY good at bullshitting (to a Magistrate which is not easy) you may get away but if not or you are attempting to jam Ka (36Ghz) you will also be charged under the Comms act (fed) and they WILL make an example out of you. (obstructing the flow of uncle pete's road tax is rated somewhere between mass murder and heroin dealing in primary schools)

Three caveats here:
1) the above applies to QLD (maybe true for other states but not tested there)
2) I am not now nor ever have been a sworn officer in QPOL.
3) None of the above except the obvious is anecdotal, it is all personal experience.

Bottom line, forget jammers, if you want to use a RD try a Passport 8500, Valentine or the new Bell but if you get rolled don't whinge about it (just buy another one).

But you are all big boys (girls) so do what you think is fair.

[vytwo]

all detectors are detectable, i found out the hard way only 6 weeks ago, top of the line valentine 1, confiscated on the hume hwy at woomargarma $1202 fine but luckily no loss of points.

[Devil CV8]

all detectors are detectable, i found out the hard way only 6 weeks ago, top of the line valentine 1, confiscated on the hume hwy at woomargarma $1202 fine but luckily no loss of points.
are you sure about the points. NSW is now 9 points for possesion of a radar detector...


see
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/23/1095651474289.html?oneclick=true

unless this hasn't happened, then you have lost 9 points


edit: from crikey website
http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/2005/06/06-1618-7762.html

Last year its recommendations went to the Ministerial Road Safety Task Force and then to Parliament, with Scully issuing a media release announcing the proposed changes September last year. But in early 2005 he was moved to Police and Michael Costa was moved to Roads. He put an immediate hold on the new laws.


so you may infact be correct, and safe.

[frankdenial]

[QUOTE=ba2vy]The Radar Detector Detector that OZ Police use is made in Queensland by Stealth Micro Systems, the unit is called the Stalcar MD3, has been revised 3 times since its' launch about 3-4 yrs ago.

VICPOL Radio Electronics Division used to, (don't know if the still do) convert siezed radar detectors into radar detector detectors. I guess their philosophy is why pay for one when you can convert a siezed one! At the end of the day it's all a game of cat and mouse.

[O5BRKY]

[QUOTE=ba2vy]The Radar Detector Detector that OZ Police use is made in Queensland by Stealth Micro Systems, the unit is called the Stalcar MD3, has been revised 3 times since its' launch about 3-4 yrs ago.

VICPOL Radio Electronics Division used to, (don't know if the still do) convert siezed radar detectors into radar detector detectors. I guess their philosophy is why pay for one when you can convert a siezed one! At the end of the day it's all a game of cat and mouse.

Yes correct they use too convert old radar detectors and have them tuned to pick up the band of 11.4 to 11.5 Ghz )radar detector leakage) also the pick up horn had a larger cone, these were prone to false alarms and also Radar manufactures were able to detect VG2's, Stalcar/Spectre RDD's were introduced a few years ago and have since had 3 revisions (to counteract Radar manufactures becoming immune) these units are still prone to false alerts. VICPOL don't have as many as other states and are mainly used on major highways and in the city,VICROADS also have some that are used in the unmarked cars for highway use and some city roads.

[Sidewindr]

detector detectors - sounds like a load of bull$hit to me.
How prey-tell do the hitler youth detect a passive receiver ?

:confused:


Most detectors are poorly shielded and as Brendan said the detector detectors pickup on the emissions from the local oscilator. I lost my radar detector back in 1997 from the age old detector detector, ping car and watch brake lights... d'oh! :) Copped a confiscation of the device and $1000 fine at the time.

[Merlin]

sounds like you needed a radar detector detector detector (RDDD) to detect their Radar detector detector (RDD) before it detected your radar detector :eek:

[Sidewindr]

[QUOTE=caseyp]
PS their unit are 100% UNDETECTABLE.
[QUOTE]

does it have a power source? if it has power running through it, then it is also emitting a frequency. therefore, detectable!

If shielded well enough they will be detector proof .. :)

[LoProfile]

Solutions to all your problems fellas...

1. Don't speed and you won't need a detector :eek: ........na, just kidding :lol:

2. Shield the unit properly and fit a radar circulator to the antenna in connector (one that covers the appropriate bands of course). Problem solvered.

It's an expensive option, granted, but zero emissions = undetectable, right !!

All you have to do then is have nerves of steel and don't nose dive the car when it goes off.. :cool:

[mr coupe4]

http://www.radardetector.com.au/


The following is a link that you guys may find interesting. Out of interest I know someone who bought a solo s2 escort detector from the US and it is great. Look it up on the net and you may be surprised. You can turn off any of the bands and also it has a program whereby when it spots a possible detector it switches off within .5sec making it almost undetectable. Hope this helps

[THE308]

[QUOTE=ba2vy]The Radar Detector Detector that OZ Police use is made in Queensland by Stealth Micro Systems, the unit is called the Stalcar MD3, has been revised 3 times since its' launch about 3-4 yrs ago.

VICPOL Radio Electronics Division used to, (don't know if the still do) convert siezed radar detectors into radar detector detectors. I guess their philosophy is why pay for one when you can convert a siezed one! At the end of the day it's all a game of cat and mouse.



Correct. All they had to do was reverse a capacitor and the RD became an RDD! They also fitted a modified snout to the front of them to increase the signal reception.

[flappist]

[QUOTE=frankdenial]



Correct. All they had to do was reverse a capacitor and the RD became an RDD! They also fitted a modified snout to the front of them to increase the signal reception.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[THE308]

[QUOTE=THE308]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Well that's what an R.E.D. tech told me when I was there to pick up a pick up a radio.

[Thunder]

[QUOTE=flappist]


Well that's what an R.E.D. tech told me when I was there to pick up a pick up a radio.

Just in case you missed it - Snout - Pigs!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[flappist]

[QUOTE=flappist]


Well that's what an R.E.D. tech told me when I was there to pick up a pick up a radio.
Well unfortunately he was having a little joke at your expence. Capacitors are not directional in operation.
The only type of cap that must be installed in the correct direction is the electrolytic cap.
If it is installed in the reverse direction i.e. pos to neg, it goes boom and makes brown smoke and goo.

[Knight Phlier]

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with the Beltronics unit that is specifically for Aus/NZ? I am not a Radar or Comms tech so not sure of the technical side if these are just a normal Beltronics RX65 with a faceplate or wether they do actually work beter than other models used in Australia?

http://www.neltronics.com.au/Radars.htm

Choose either the Vector XR-950 or XR-650.

Having a 9 point fine in NSW is quite harsh. But consideering that at the same time the RTA chose to increase the fine of 0-15km/h too 3 points (1/4/05), you can easily see yourself loosing half of your license for going 5km/h over the limit on a long weekend (Double Demerits). So my point on this is that suddenly 9 points is not that big a deal when you can easily loose close to that by not even going 5-10km/h over the limit. It is Ludicrous. The right just got righter IMO with this crap.

So as the reason I was checking these RD's out but didn't purchase cause there are soo many options for them! Was too confused.... :eek:

Regards,

Doug

[O5BRKY]

I've just upgraded from an old Vector STi AU/NZ to a RX65, and sh@t it seems good so far,big improvement.

[THE308]

[QUOTE=THE308]
Well unfortunately he was having a little joke at your expence. Capacitors are not directional in operation.
The only type of cap that must be installed in the correct direction is the electrolytic cap.
If it is installed in the reverse direction i.e. pos to neg, it goes boom and makes brown smoke and goo.


I missed it. I was too busy attempting to interpret the in joke. I'm no guru on the topic. I was relaying what I was told. Maybe the Tech was also taking the piss out of me at the time too and I've been oblivious to it for years! :doh:

Is it possible that I just got the component name wrong?

I've obviously made mistake about the capacitor thingy! :lol:

[O5BRKY]

I've just upgraded from an old Vector STi AU/NZ to a RX65, and sh@t it seems good so far,big improvement.

Just a little update , the RX65 is working really well, picked up a Speed Camera well over 300+ metres ahead last night and Mobile Moving Radar easily still awaiting handheld Radar but imagine it won't have a problem, infact in the next few days I'll have my own Hand Held radar gun,to test it with. Though this unit is detectable by the RDD, the RDD has to be withing - 200 metres ,so if the suss vehilce is around, off with the switch the RD goes.
This unit picks up camera by about an extra 100 metres over the old Sti unit.

[Ryan1982]

Hi Guys,
I know its an old thread but has anyone had experience with the the new beltronics STI RD.. Appartley its undetectable to the stalcar/specture RDD :confused:

[ssv402]

Any news on detectors these days?

[bladerunner]

Any news on detectors these days?

found this a while back http://www.theracingroom.com.au/pages/c_galleryteaser.asp?pid=62&cid=33290004

[gjohnson]

I have had the Bel XR or STI as its also called for over 5 years now. Travelled thousands of k's all over the country in different vehicles with it and its brilliant. Totally undetectable, I dont even remove it off the windscreen or turn it off when the plod go by when I am interstate anymore. Maybe I am getting a little complacent but every 2nd car these days has a gps stuck to their windscreen. I have had one speeding fine however, if the coppers leave their radar off (not many do these days) and turn it on and zap you, by the time the detector goes off and you hit the brakes they already have your speed. But when they are zapping cars in front of you or just driving with it on you get heaps of warning. They are still legal in W.A.

[quityabitchn]

so in all that which one is the best to use

[iloveholden]

The thread title is about RADAR JAMMERS, NOT radar detectors!

[Bobman]

The thread title is about RADAR JAMMERS, NOT radar detectors!

If you have a read through the thread it's about both, but more about detectors.

[Kylec599]

where abouts get these things from??? Kinda interested, i remember something ages ago called the angel or something like that??? There was a big spool on 60mins...

[bladerunner]

where abouts get these things from??? Kinda interested, i remember something ages ago called the angel or something like that??? There was a big spool on 60mins...

the site i mentioned has them and they are local to you

[Kylec599]

the site i mentioned has them and they are local to you

Cheers thanks mate

[ssv402]

Thanks heaps for the website bladerunner, sent them an email asking about a few of them, will see what the outcome is :)

[bladerunner]

Thanks heaps for the website bladerunner, sent them an email asking about a few of them, will see what the outcome is :)

no worrys mate :goodjob:

[Aussie Pete]

So some people still believe the bluff that all detectors are detectable.... Rubbish. I've had a Stalcar next to my car within two metres and nothing. Zip. Zippo. You can find videos on the net showing this type of test that clearly shows the Bel STi and related products is absolutely stealth.

I have long bought equipment from Roy at ARDS (Australian Radar Detection Services; he's the guy you see on ACA and TT every now and then showing the scum acts some coppers resort to by ignoring their own rules) including the old analog Whistler units that were 'stealthed'. Those units kicked a$$ as they were super responsive and could catch even the merest sniff of a signal. Unfortunately my judgement of a candy car coming off Aeroplane was a bit off and on my coast down along the southern approach I came across the guy prematurely. A 117/100 was a rude awakening that the cops had moved to Ka band! Bye bye whistler but thank god it wasn't 30 secs earlier.

Then I bought a Bel STi. Portable and great for the Kenworth but the hassles of hiding it and all that led me to also get the Bel STi-R (for remote) which got its first home in my VE. Again, fully hidden and wired my special way so if I get pulled I hit a switch and the electrics get fried via a fuse and short circuit. Nada the cops can do after that unless they want to strip the car and we all know by now the Ombudsmen has something to say about that... (by the way, don't do what one guy I know did and keep a copy of the ombudsman ruling in the glovebox - derr, won't the cops ask why you carry that????)

Anyhow, you will see there is a fantastic unit out there now called a Bel STi-R PLUS which has fixed camera etc GPS controlled warnings. That part is legal so you can use the unit without a problem provided you are not using the radar detection functionality. How you choose to manage that is up to you but it is a great piece of gear.

One key point I wish to make is while I find most HWP guys are knobs, there are some good guys out there and if you get yanked and you have a detector be nice, polite, and admit NOTHING. The fine is the same whether they find it or you admit it. So why admit it?????

Lastly, of all my time on the road the best protection you can have is open eyes, knowledge of the road, and the best thing ever - the UHF CB.