GENIV with unbreakable code???

[BA$TAD]

http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=70893

[Modena]

CD's and DVD's used to be copy-proof too

[Doug]

"GMH has spent millions of $$$$ so no one can break into this new ECU"

Wouldn't surprise me if they tried to make it harder for software like LS1Edit / VCM Suite to work. I'd be very very surprised they spent more than small change on it...

[crYnOid]

Remember the Titanic? It was unsinkable right? ;)

[Ricko]

The combined might of all the major Hollywood studios spent millions of dollars creating CSS (content scrambling system) which was the ultimate copy protection for DVD,..........it was cracked by a 12 year old Norwegian boy.

Theres no such thing as unbreakable code. The louder anyone claims a computer code is unbreakable, the quicker its broken.

[Danv8]

Bah it will be cracked! I bet some brainhead would make a PCM suitable for a Gen 4 even if its a tarted up version Gen 3 PCM unit thats compatible. The un crackable PCM could be a load of BS as well.

[VYBerlinaV8]

Although a PCM seems to be a very complicated device, in reality it is fairly simplistic by electronic engineering standards. The way it can generally be broken is to simply toss out the entire 'program code' and replace it with your own. This is more complex than just changing some sensory parameters, which is what I believe most edits do now.

Bottom line: some smart tuners will have some work to do, but its certainly not 'uncrackable'.

[ROGUE]

can anyone say LS2EDIT.COM.AU :lol:

[SSbaby]

Yes...just read some comments on FF. Well, I don't think I'll be going down the Unichip route. Just when Peter (APS) was slagging off the LS1 Edit, he must now be rubbing his hands with glee.

[Danv8]

Yes...just read some comments on FF. Well, I don't think I'll be going down the Unichip route. Just when Peter (APS) was slagging off the LS1 Edit, he must now be rubbing his hands with glee.


Most likely shaving his palms. :lol:
Have to wait and see what can be done to the LS2 PCM unit.

[SSbaby]

Most likely shaving his palms. :lol:
Have to wait and see what can be done to the LS2 PCM unit.

It might take a while to crack it... meantime be prepared for an all-out campaign from APS. :doh:

[Ryzz]

It might take a while to crack it... meantime be prepared for an all-out campaign from APS. :doh:
How long before he "Claims" to have the fastest unopened APS Tunned LS2?? :rolleyes:

As it has been said, there is no such thing as "unbreakable" and it really comes down to wether its worth GM/GMH going to the trouble of locking it down rock hard. But once again, the harder they lock it down results in 2 things.

A: The more people will seriously try to crack it :bash:
B: The longer it will take to crack it (dependant on A)

[SSbaby]

I guess we'll be on the same boat as the BA owners... for a while anyway.

I genuinely believe GM looks after the after-market better than anybody. We know that they have strong engines, transmissions and reasonably strong diffs behind stockie engines. The weak link being clutches IMO. The powertrain and driveline components would still be able to handle the grunt from an edited car. The GTS is proof that the componentry is good enough. Unless you start going bigger cams and other engine mods etc... then there'll most likely be warranty issues that will be giving Holden headaches.

In summary, I'm not sure that there is much essence in the original post over at FF.

[Ricko]

I guess we'll be on the same boat as the BA owners... for a while anyway.

I genuinely believe GM looks after the after-market better than anybody. We know that they have strong engines, transmissions and reasonably strong diffs behind stockie engines. The weak link being clutches IMO. The powertrain and driveline components would still be able to handle the grunt from an edited car. The GTS is proof that the componentry is good enough. Unless you start going bigger cams and other engine mods etc... then there'll most likely be warranty issues that will be giving Holden headaches.

In summary, I'm not sure that there is much essence in the original post over at FF.

Isnt the Boss motor a hybrid of a different top and bottom end paired together by Ford Australia (i think the yanks said it wouldnt work originally)?? If so i imagine its PCM code is unique to the Motor, and doesnt have anywhere near the amount of people wanting/trying to get at it.

Where as the GenIV will have had people trying to unlock it well before it gets here! I think the Ford fellas just WANT the GenIV to be hard to get at, otherwise their V8's will get left further behind.

[falcon coupe]

How long before he "Claims" to have the fastest unopened APS Tunned LS2?? :rolleyes:

As it has been said, there is no such thing as "unbreakable" and it really comes down to wether its worth GM/GMH going to the trouble of locking it down rock hard. But once again, the harder they lock it down results in 2 things.

A: The more people will seriously try to crack it :bash:
B: The longer it will take to crack it (dependant on A)

Well we are still waiting for the Boss Edit, been 2 years plus now, but then the ls4 also has american tuners on its side, which amounts to a lot of recources.

[Mozz]

Of course there is no inference whatsoever to be drawn from the fact that this information was first published on a website which supports vehicles other than holden :rolleyes:

Hard fact or wishful and/or hopeful thinking on their part :bash:

Titanic built by professionals - The Ark by amateurs :eek:

Heh - just read the thread - those damn Holden business managers - they appear to have spent Millions of dollars stopping ECU editing in the Gen IV to save Millions of dollars in warranty claims from enthusiasts who have modded their LS1 with edit and then broke something and then reverted their tune to standard and then took their cars to holden and then claimed warranty and then returned their car to the a modded state with their former edit tune. Slap me silly and call me Shirley - I didn't realise that Holden had lost Millions of dollars to these scam artists :eek: :eek:

[Devil CV8]

The louder anyone claims a computer code is unbreakable, the quicker its broken.
Yep, the same as when anything is made foolproof, someone goes out and invents a better fool :lol:

[Michael Cola]

Just like anything else electronic "it can be done" look at the new viruses that are on phones these days.. Look at the programs we use.. they are crackable.. Give it time.

[IIV8II]

Lol... i can remember the doom and gloom of everybody whinging and bitching and screaming and squirming about an un-crackable, un-tunable management system... In the 1989 VN V8!

[RIDE:42]

bet i can break it :bash:
















the puter anyway may have trouble with code :D

[seldo]

At this very early stage , I suspect that this whole issue is just some wishful thinking by a FF dreamer. There is not a single bit fact in the whole thing - it's all a beat-up.

[SSbaby]

If the tools are available to Holden to edit the PCM tables (i.e. Clubsport tune over standard SS) then I don't see how tuners won't be able to use the same tools to edit the PCM.

[SICK SS]

I heard the gen4 will hav a motec mangement system dont no how true that is but one thing is certain the code will break.

[SV8VY]

If this is true (which I doubt) at least our LS1s might have a better market value :D

[Devil CV8]

If the tools are available to Holden to edit the PCM tables (i.e. Clubsport tune over standard SS) then I don't see how tuners won't be able to use the same tools to edit the PCM.Easy answer: no tuners have the holden program now, so why would they suddenly have the next version.......

[markalan]

I heard the gen4 will hav a motec mangement system dont no how true that is but one thing is certain the code will break.


the motec system is shit compared to the delphi we run now so i couldn't see them using it. If someone can write the code some else can break it.

[Space Pope]

This was a hot topic earlier this year at Summernats amoungst tuners.

Opinion was at that time that tuning of this particular Delphi box would be done 'in line' via an interceptor. Never say never but at the time, it had tuners thinking that this box is gunna be a tough nut to crack.

If you can get a develop a good, fast interceptor grunting heaps of MIPS, you have a good solution.

Perhaps a bright spark will have the time and intelligence to get into it, but most won't see it as a good investment of their time.