APS PHASE 3 XR6T Articles FYI

[PASHEN]

Hi all,

I've been enjoying reading the posts. Very informative. Here's a few links to artcles on what I believe is Australia's new cult muscle car. After reading them, you'll see why I changed camps from HSV and jumped into the XR6T, and wacked on the APS Phase 3 kit. Sorry if they've been posted before.

Autospeed Article - APS Phase 3 XR6T (http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2144/article.html)

Motor Magazine - Phase 3 APS XR6T article (http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/hot_tuner_307kph/three-ton-thriller_1.htm)

Autospeed APS Phase 3 XR6T article (http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2013/article.html)

307kph - APS Phase 3 XR6T - Australia's Fastest XR6 Turbo (http://www.aps-xr6t.com/falcon/avalon/307kph.htm)

Competition is good. Time for the Roaring Lion to look at wacking a snail onto a six....just to keep us Ford Boys honest. :D

[Danv8]

Why stop at putting a snail on a 6?

A few snails fitted to an LS1 instead. :D

[ScottYPerD]

Why stop at putting a snail on a 6?

A few snails fitted to an LS1 instead. :D

i like your theory!! lets see it dun blow the ford boyz away

[SSCRD]

its been done TTCV8 think was the no. plate by one of the forum sponsors...would mash any XR6T. each for there own I suppose, just don't like the look of the fords...never have, they have gotten better over the years but so have Holden, and quite frankly I think fords serve best as a taxi..look forward to seeing some yellow XR6T to take place of yellow VL turbo brigade - lets hope thats where the current VL turbo owners turn and stay clear of the LS1 :lol:

[clixanup]

Time for the Roaring Lion to look at wacking a snail onto a six....just to keep us Ford Boys honest. :D

Just one? I think Holden are going to put 2 of 'em on some variants of the HFV6.

[ROARZ]

Been done. Being done. Sure the APS "Phase IV" unit that put down 570 rwhp at the Holden v Ford show was impressive, but there are many blown and turbo'd LS1's coming out of the woodwork now. I liked how their marketing spiel changed after my car went on the rollers... It started out as "you probably won't see any V8's with better numbers than this car", and changed to "except for one, you won't see any V8's with better numbers..." heh heh... and I'm only running a single centrifugal supercharger at 15psi. Can't wait to see all the twin turbo and 22psi-29psi LS1 numbers!!! :O Like you said, competition is good, as the consumer always ends up better off (damn - sounding like an economist)!

[PASHEN]

You all make good points. I wont argue with you.

We need to remember, however, that the XR6T has had really only 12-18 months of development time in the aftermarket. Its still a baby...and less than $10K on top of the purchase price gives it a top speed and 1/4 mile time of a handful of supercars....and its street legal.

I'm not trying to be a "mine's better than yours" smartarse. Just raising the fact that I think the XR6T is the Australian muscle car benchmark at the moment.

Of course I could be wrong...

[LYTNING]

Have you run your car down the drag strip yet??

If so, what did it do.

What rwkw does your car have??

Not trying to be a smartarse, just want to know what the benchmark is.

[PASHEN]

Hi LYTNING,

I haven't run my car down the strip yet.
I have only just returned to Brisbane after driving up from Melbourne.

There are a few Phase 3 owners that have though. Mark 100% in Melb has ran his Phase 3 ute at 11.91 I believe. His car is featured in the current Performance Utes Magazine.

Sedans are lighter, and supposedly better balanced. The weight and traction advantage should se my car run a mid - high 11 pass atleast.

My car has 390 fwkw, and 309 rwkw. Manual Phase 3's have recorded 330 rwkw on the dyno. Less power lost in the drivetrain on manual T's, but they are slower. I dont think there has been a manual XR6T thats broken the 12's yet.

Your car's freckin quick mate....what have you done to it?

By the way, mine's not the benchmark. There are a few XR6T's on the streets that are more powerful than mine. Not many though...

[ROARZ]

Where's Tuna when you need him? I'll sub for him for a bit. $10k bolt ons, and only high 11's... Bah... Anything that is cheap (less than 10k) and easy (12-18 mths development) usually is!

hee hee...

disclaimer: we're all car enthusiasts here, and I respect the XR6T movement, but a little niggle is okay, so long as it isn't personal... :)

[LYTNING]

I suppose one of the things we'd like to see up here in Brisbane is a few more of the Ford guys going a bit quicker. Competition amongst ourselves is one thing, but to have that inter brand rivalry is something a bit different. :D

If you ever have plans on taking your car out to Willowbank for a Test n Tune etc, then let us know so we can make sure some of us are there to say hello and have a few runs. I can't remember the fastest BA time out there recently but it is getting quicker. The best I've seen is high 13's but others have seen a high 12 I think. (Markone2 can confirm)

As for my car, just the standard cam/head work with bolt ons. All done a year ago which means the unopened bolt on guys are rapidly approaching and should soon reach a high 11.

PS, I'm sure there will be some people here who will dispute your thoery about the XR6T being the new cult car. Just be prepared. ;)

[PASHEN]

I'm prepared....and it's not just my opinion.

Speaking of strip times, APS ute ran a11.35@127mph and that the CandV sedan ran a 10.98.

Not bad for a toddler...with just 1 snail (factory) on a six :)

[SV8VY]

You all make good points. I wont argue with you.

We need to remember, however, that the XR6T has had really only 12-18 months of development time in the aftermarket. Its still a baby...and less than $10K on top of the purchase price gives it a top speed and 1/4 mile time of a handful of supercars....and its street legal.

I'm not trying to be a "mine's better than yours" smartarse. Just raising the fact that I think the XR6T is the Australian muscle car benchmark at the moment.

Of course I could be wrong...Just need to mention that for under $5k I do the quarter in low 13s.
This is only with the basic bolt ons and street tyres (and Maf)
Give me another $1000 and I would have a high stall and maybe better tyres and get easy mid to high 12s as others will (and I am sure ) tell you and even show you their times.
For $5k more with mine (as you say $10k) I would get head and cam package and I am sure will be able to do 11s -ALL STREET LEGAL!
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Ps Don't give up on the LS1 as its only just starting to get interesting.
Mine is my family car,work car,drag car and race car :lol:

[markone2]

Lytning I believe that the APS ute of RB's did indeed manage a 12.7 on the Sunday *Cannonball* day at Willowbank. This was after I had left for the day.
When I staged against the ute it made a 13.232 @ 107.75mph....The fastest late model
in the Falcon family of cars I have seen over the last few months has been Grunters blown AU
at 12.7 against Shaun’s Monaro the other day. There is also a blown XR8 that
cruises Willowbank but this has yet to see a 13 second time slip of any nature.
Fastest XR6 Turbo last Saturday was 13.98...I do not know the mph.....yes you are correct! We need some more competition from the Ford camp in Brisbane...PHASE 3_PASHEN....... :burnout: .....roll it on

PS ,worthy of note is another red AU111 XR8 that has been sneaking through
the ranks very quietly for a few weeks now....clocked him at a 13.3 high the other night

[V82xist]

The quickest time we saw out of a phase 3 kitted Turbo on our LS1 Vs XR6T day at WSID was a 12.9sec 1/4. That car had cost alot more than $10k in mods also. There was one XR6T with NOs but it died not even completing one pass. Turbos can be quick but it's always at the expense of reliability. I think the competition for street cars will be when the Boss V8 PCM is cracked.
There are plenty of guys doing 13 sec and having spent only around $5k and have an unopened and totally reliable and street friendly car that is still covered by warranty.
It's all good fun though, and the ford guys I met on the day were good blokes too.
:cheers:

[sme 6]

Competition is good. Time for the Roaring Lion to look at wacking a snail onto a six....just to keep us Ford Boys honest. :D

There is a company in perth that has started making turbo kits for the v6 commodore.

http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27467

They have done a 12.348 400m in a VT V6 on a single spinner, 3.08 diff and standard trans with 330rwhp. Now they are running 440rwhp and soon to get a 3.47lsd and new tyres so will be interesting to see.

[XR6T8U]

Just need to mention that for under $5k I do the quarter in low 13s.
This is only with the basic bolt ons and street tyres (and Maf)
Give me another $1000 and I would have a high stall and maybe better tyres and get easy mid to high 12s as others will (and I am sure ) tell you and even show you their times.
For $5k more with mine (as you say $10k) I would get head and cam package and I am sure will be able to do 11s -ALL STREET LEGAL!
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Ps Don't give up on the LS1 as its only just starting to get interesting.
Mine is my family car,work car,drag car and race car :lol:
So you have documentation and engineers certificate to show ADR noise and emission compliance?

[SV8VY]

So you have documentation and engineers certificate to show ADR noise and emission compliance?Actually mine is very quiet and emissions are low.
I also get great fuel economy around town(16 lt) and freeway(10 lt) per 100km as an average.
It also looks very sedate
It will pass the test 100 %....that's the beauty of the LS1

[VX SS]

There is a company in perth that has started making turbo kits for the v6 commodore.

http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27467

They have done a 12.348 400m in a VT V6 on a single spinner, 3.08 diff and standard trans with 330rwhp. Now they are running 440rwhp and soon to get a 3.47lsd and new tyres so will be interesting to see.

Aw shit now I am in trouble just bought a new one tonner ute with V6 today, thought it was to much of a temptation to buy a LS1 one tonner

[LSX-438]

So you have documentation and engineers certificate to show ADR noise and emission compliance?

my LS1 mods are suposedly ADR compliant, but despite this, don't you have to go through a certification process to get a certificate for a given car?

Did you do that XR6T8U?

[Aus8]

Just need to mention that for under $5k I do the quarter in low 13s.
This is only with the basic bolt ons and street tyres (and Maf)


$5k and only 13's isnt really that special for a LS1 powered car. Some people can pull a 13.9 stock. I pulled a 14.0 in my almost stock M6 SS ute with a crappy 60ft time of 2.35. Only mod is a catback exhaust (standard MAF, No Tune, stock airfilter & intake and B530's.)

I drive a VUSS and was originally sceptical but now agree with the potential of the XR6t. My best mate has a Blood Orange XR6T Auto sedan and the only mod to it is a $1500 unichip that was fitted by Tim Slakos West Racing here in Perth. I ran a 13.46 and then a 13.3 in this car in full street trim (Stock Dunlpo 17's). His PB was a 13.68 so as you can imagine he didnt know whether he should be happy or sad. I was pretty impressed to say the least. A good effort for a very heavy car. 13.3 for $1.5k is what I call bang for your bucks. For $5k on a LS1 I would want to be in the high 12's easily on street tyres.

Cheers

Aus8

[SV8VY]

$5k and only 13's isnt really that special for a LS1 powered car. Some people can pull a 13.9 stock. I pulled a 14.0 in my ute. Only mod is a catback exhaust (standard MAF, No Tune, stock airfilter & intake and B530's.)

I drive a VUSS but agree with the potential of the XR6t. My best mate has a Blood Orange XR6T Auto sedan and the only mod to it is a $1500 unichip. I ran a 13.3 in this car in full street trim (Stock Dunlpo 17's). I was pretty impressed to say the least. A good effort for a very heavy car. 13.3 for $1.5k is what I call bang for your bucks. For $5k on a LS1 I would want to be in the high 12's easily on street tyres.

Cheers

Aus8As I said it is low 13s (13.337 to be precise)
I can do a 13.3 almost all the time being very consistant.
The car is an auto and I cant stall it up.If it was a manual I have no doubt it would get at least a high 12 to a mid 12
When we went to the ford verses holden WSID day there were a few modified cars that could only manage a low 13 and one a high 12 .
No offence but I will only be impressed when I line one up at WSID and he beats me with only the unichip mod.
This was one of the low 13 second carshttp://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=125756

[Aus8]

Nice Pic!! Were you disputing that I did a 13.3 in a XR6T with just a unichip? Or just that you would be genuinely impressed with seeing that? Its hard to tell sometimes what people mean on the net ;)

In the XR6T I actually find the Auto's quicker. Its a really good box. When I did the 13.3 I turned the traction off, turned the Auto to Performance mode (not using the sequential section, just the automatic performance shift points) and stalled it up to 1750rpm for launch. Car made the slightest chirp and then instant grip. It was at the motorplex on the last wednesday night of the season. A few of the LS1 boys (including myself :D ) were down.

Cheers

Aus8

[LSX-438]

low 13's are not the norm with chip only APS XR6T's... in any event we've seen that with edit (only) on ls1 cars too, depending on the driver.

[SV8VY]

Nice Pic!! Were you disputing that I did a 13.3 in a XR6T with just a unichip? Or just that you would be genuinely impressed with seeing that? Its hard to tell sometimes what people mean on the net ;)

In the XR6T I actually find the Auto's quicker. Its a really good box. When I did the 13.3 I turned the traction off, turned the Auto to Performance mode (not using the sequential section, just the automatic performance shift points) and stalled it up to 1750rpm for launch. Car made the slightest chirp and then instant grip. It was at the motorplex on the last wednesday night of the season. A few of the LS1 boys (including myself :D ) were down.

Cheers

Aus8
No I'm not disputing what you did but I would genuinely be impressed with just that mod but I would like to see it first hand as the Ford guys I was speaking with that had the quicker cars were spending big $ just to get the low 13s.
It was the first time for many there and we had a great time.
In fact this race here was the best I had for the day as even though I got him off the light he caught up and I only beat him by a couple of a hundreds of a second!

[SV8VY]

I also tryed to use a semi comp tyre and no spare and still got the same time :(
http://www.realper4mance.com/events/wsid_23062004/wsid_23062004_045.jpg
http://www.realper4mance.com/events/wsid_23062004/wsid_23062004_066.jpg
Sorry to be a post whore but there aren't many times I can show off some pics :lol:

[Aus8]

low 13's are not the norm with chip only APS XR6T's...

Agreed, It amazed a lot of people (especially my mate & myself). I was over the moon with my 13.46 on my first EVER drive of a XR6T. Then we left the car to cool for 40 minutes and I raced again and did the 13.33. The thing that impressed me about the car was how precise the Auto changed, Felt 100 times better than my old VX's tranny. (Hope Holden is listening).

The car when raced had 4000 kays on it and only runs on BP ultimate 98. My mates PB on the car is a 13.68 which I thought was a good time considering the cars weight and only running a chip.

Cheers

Aus8

[SV8VY]

Agreed, It amazed a lot of people (especially my mate & myself). I was over the moon with my 13.46 on my first EVER drive of a XR6T. Then we left the car to cool for 40 minutes and I raced again and did the 13.33. The thing that impressed me about the car was how precise the Auto changed, Felt 100 times better than my old VX's tranny. (Hope Holden is listening).

The car when raced had 4000 kays on it and only runs on BP ultimate 98. My mates PB on the car is a 13.68 which I thought was a good time considering the cars weight and only running a chip.

Cheers

Aus8Shame on you for beating his Pb in his own car :lol:
Maybe you can give my car a squirt and get me in the 12s :D

[markone2]

For $5k on a LS1 I would want to be in the high 12's easily on street tyres.

Cheers

Aus8
For under 5k they can do better than mid 12's :D

[Aus8]

No I'm not disputing what you did but I would genuinely be impressed with just that mod but I would like to see it first hand as the Ford guys I was speaking with that had the quicker cars were spending big $ just to get the low 13s.
It was the first time for many there and we had a great time.
In fact this race here was the best I had for the day as even though I got him off the light he caught up and I only beat him by a couple of a hundreds of a second!

On a Cool Sydney night if driven properly a Unichip only equipped car should be able to pull 13.5's fairly consistantly jusging by what I have found. Were those guys stalling the car up? You cant just floor it off the line and get a quick time IMO. I stalled the car to 1750rpm and then floored it the whole way. I little chirp and then instant grip on both my runs. I later found out that my mate was stalling at 1950-2000rpm and got more wheelspin than me hence his slower times.

There is actually another XR6T Auto sedan that pulled a 13.1 over east just recently. This car has only the APS stage 1 upgrade. (Unichip + injectors) and has a claimed power of 300kw at the fly. My mate only has 280kw at the fly with the unichip only upgrade.

Cheers

Aus8

Ps. Keep the pics coming whenever you post :-)

[Aus8]

Shame on you for beating his Pb in his own car :lol:
Maybe you can give my car a squirt and get me in the 12s :D

He didnt know whether to cry or be happy. Then I started to get the "But the car had a longer cool down etc" Which he could have a point with I guess :lol:

Whats your best 60ft time?

Cheers

Aus8

[plonkerchops]

my LS1 mods are suposedly ADR compliant, but despite this, don't you have to go through a certification process to get a certificate for a given car?

Did you do that XR6T8U?

I think what he was alluding to was that the phase 3 kit has full ADR compliance therefore is fully legal .
Whether an edit complies is anyones guess...I guess...........,not that too many people would give a rats armhole anyway :D

[LSX-438]

I think what he was alluding to was that the phase 3 kit has full ADR compliance therefore is fully legal .
Whether an edit complies is anyones guess...I guess...........,not that too many people would give a rats armhole anyway :D

suffice to say most APS customers dont actually get an engineers certificate with the tune, same with edit of course. i guess the package could be put together as ADR compliant (CSV do this for example) but i believe it's not technically compliant unless you have the certificate for the given car. a friend of mine recently had the APS kit installed however some incorrect parts were used... is that ADR compliant? guess not. same with tune and emissions on any given installation i suppose.

[ExAreSix]

All APS kits are ADR compliant, and certificate is supplied.

Unless there are parts installed not included in the APS kit, then, obviously, they can't guarantee compliance.


When you say 'incorrect parts were used' what do you mean? Parts your friend supplied to be installed with the rest of the kit...? Or...?



My own plans involve Chiptorque/CAPA/APS parts, plus other custom tidbits... I obviously don't expect APS to give me a compliance cert. ;)


suffice to say most APS customers dont actually get an engineers certificate with the tune, same with edit of course. i guess the package could be put together as ADR compliant (CSV do this for example) but i believe it's not technically compliant unless you have the certificate for the given car. a friend of mine recently had the APS kit installed however some incorrect parts were used... is that ADR compliant? guess not. same with tune and emissions on any given installation i suppose.

[LSX-438]

All APS kits are ADR compliant, and certificate is supplied.

Unless there are parts installed not included in the APS kit, then, obviously, they can't guarantee compliance.


When you say 'incorrect parts were used' what do you mean? Parts your friend supplied to be installed with the rest of the kit...? Or...?



My own plans involve Chiptorque/CAPA/APS parts, plus other custom tidbits... I obviously don't expect APS to give me a compliance cert. ;)

I was told the engineers certificate is optional, and involves an additional process and cost. I'll ask and resport back. btw the additional parts relate to fuel injectors.

[ExAreSix]

Agreed. Plenty of Stage 1 (Both APS and Chiptorque) examples running low to mid 13s easily and consistently.

For around $1500... Fantastic BFB.


On a Cool Sydney night if driven properly a Unichip only equipped car should be able to pull 13.5's fairly consistantly jusging by what I have found.

[LSX-438]

this might be relevant

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/legalities.htm

Whilst ADR 79/00 documentation that APS now holds is applicable to all XR6 Turbo vehicles fitted with the PHASE II or PHASE III System, an Engineer’s Report is required on an individual vehicle basis.

APS will supply registered Engineers with the relevant documentation to save our customers from the grief and huge expense of ADR 79/00 testing. APS will also offer advice on how to go about obtaining an Engineers Report to further simplify the process.

so whilst APS provide this certificate, it does not legally certify any given car as ADR compliant - but it does help if you go down the road of going through the certification process, etc.

[seldo]

I think what he was alluding to was that the phase 3 kit has full ADR compliance therefore is fully legal ....
:D
I am not sure if that's actually correct. As I understand it, the APS kit CAN be complied, but you have to go to a Certifying Engineer, pay your money, and get a certificate for your individual car. APS just tell you HOW to go about it. That's a little bit different..

[V82xist]

Agreed. Plenty of Stage 1 (Both APS and Chiptorque) examples running low to mid 13s easily and consistently.

For around $1500... Fantastic BFB.
No. Not in Sydney anyway. From the LS1 Vs XR6T day:
Stock = average 14.5
phase 1 = best I saw 13.8 (also the best none chipped car but with other mods was also 13.8)
phase 2/MoTeC engine management, larger fuel injectors, XR8 CAI, SS inductions CAI mod, XEDE chip = 13.3 best.
phase 3 + kit = 12.9 best

The guys were saying the best launches were when loading the autos to 2000.

One went home on the back of atow truck unfortunately due to diff failure.

[ExAreSix]

Was just looking for that myself. Nice one :)

So, APS save you the expense of going through the testing, but you still need to get an engineers report at your own cost?



this might be relevant

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/falcon/legalities.htm

Whilst ADR 79/00 documentation that APS now holds is applicable to all XR6 Turbo vehicles fitted with the PHASE II or PHASE III System, an Engineer’s Report is required on an individual vehicle basis.

APS will supply registered Engineers with the relevant documentation to save our customers from the grief and huge expense of ADR 79/00 testing. APS will also offer advice on how to go about obtaining an Engineers Report to further simplify the process.

so whilst APS provide this certificate, it does not legally certify any given car as ADR compliant - but it does help if you go down the road of going through the certification process, etc.

[LSX-438]

Was just looking for that myself. Nice one :)

So, APS save you the expense of going through the testing, but you still need to get an engineers report at your own cost?

i was told so anyway. there is some information under that link that makes it brutally clear though. certification must be obtained on a car-by-car basis.

[XR6T8U]

my LS1 mods are suposedly ADR compliant, but despite this, don't you have to go through a certification process to get a certificate for a given car?

Did you do that XR6T8U?
Yes APS have blanket aproval and supplied the engineer with the detais and its done. You dont have to spend thousans of dollars having the probe shoved up its bum and doing the noise mesurment on the drive by. Cops can not touch my Pahse II car.
Tony

[LSX-438]

No APS have blanket aproval and supplied the engineer with the detais and its done. Cops canot touch my Pahse II car.
Tony

have you got an engineers certificate?

interested to know to process of getting one too..

edit: sorry just read your post properly

[XR6T8U]

have you got an engineers certificate?

interested to know to process of getting one too..

edit: sorry just read your post properly
Miss read yours :) Answerd properly now :lol:

[LSX-438]

so presumably you've gone through the certification process?

[plonkerchops]

I was told the engineers certificate is optional, and involves an additional process and cost. I'll ask and resport back. btw the additional parts relate to fuel injectors.


what stage was it ? phase 2 gets injectors included ....Ive just been informed that phase 1 does now as well

[LSX-438]

what stage was it ? phase 2 gets injectors included ....Ive just been informed that phase 1 does now as well

thats correct, some call it Stage 1.5

the problem related to stage 1, and it was installed when they were switching over to "1.5" and the tuner in question decided to use some, shall we say, inappropriate (read probably cheap) injectors. suffice to say he now has the correct ones, thats all I can say really. there is a thread on the appropriate forum...

[ExAreSix]

Ok, so because none of them did it on that day, it mustn't be possible. :rolleyes:

I don't know how many Turbos turned up for that day. Or what the weather was like. Or the track condition.


Have a browse of the XR6 Turbo forums. Plenty of mid 13 S1s on there.
Seen an S2 run a 12.3... With minor auto mods aswell mind...




No. Not in Sydney anyway. From the LS1 Vs XR6T day:
Stock = average 14.5
phase 1 = best I saw 13.8 (also the best none chipped car but with other mods was also 13.8)
phase 2/MoTeC engine management, larger fuel injectors, XR8 CAI, SS inductions CAI mod, XEDE chip = 13.3 best.
phase 3 + kit = 12.9 best

The guys were saying the best launches were when loading the autos to 2000.

One went home on the back of atow truck unfortunately due to diff failure.

[LSX-438]

out of interest how many XR6T phase 1's run low 13's on the FF 1/4 mile time database thingy

[V82xist]

Ok, so because none of them did it on that day, it mustn't be possible. :rolleyes:

I don't know how many Turbos turned up for that day. Or what the weather was like. Or the track condition.


Have a browse of the XR6 Turbo forums. Plenty of mid 13 S1s on there.
Seen an S2 run a 12.3... With minor auto mods aswell mind...

Here's the thread...http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10886&st=0
A phase 2 do a 12.3? :lol: good one :lol:

[PASHEN]

I got my Phase III done in February - the second one in the country - after driving Phase II mode for 3 months.

I paid $800 for the engineers certificate, on top of the cost of the Phase III upgrade. There was no way I was going to drive away from the APS workshop without it. It took an extra day, and my lowered springs had to be replaced for the day, but it was worth it. It's donw on a car by car basis. Its not a mandatory part of the Phase III kit, but APS do strongly recommend it. I dont think there has been a Phase III uograde done without it.

The certificate was lodged with Vic Roads, and a copy lives in my glovebox. The cops cant do jack shit to me now. My insurer has no out in the even of an accident now either.

Why is it that people, especially turbos, seem to post quicker times at Calder? Is it the temperature?

[LSX-438]

I got my Phase III done in February - the second one in the country - after driving Phase II mode for 3 months.

I paid $800 for the engineers certificate, on top of the cost of the Phase III upgrade. There was no way I was going to drive away from the APS workshop without it. It took an extra day, and my lowered springs had to be replaced for the day, but it was worth it. It's donw on a car by car basis. Its not a mandatory part of the Phase III kit, but APS do strongly recommend it. I dont think there has been a Phase III uograde done without it.

The certificate was lodged with Vic Roads, and a copy lives in my glovebox. The cops cant do jack shit to me now. My insurer has no out in the even of an accident now either.

Why is it that people, especially turbos, seem to post quicker times at Calder? Is it the temperature?

thanks PHASE 3_PASHEN, i can understand the concern, expecially with Phase 3...

[SV8VY]

He didnt know whether to cry or be happy. Then I started to get the "But the car had a longer cool down etc" Which he could have a point with I guess :lol:

Whats your best 60ft time?

Cheers

Aus8My best 60 foot is 2.06? from memory




No. Not in Sydney anyway. From the LS1 Vs XR6T day:
Stock = average 14.5
phase 1 = best I saw 13.8 (also the best none chipped car but with other mods was also 13.8)
phase 2/MoTeC engine management, larger fuel injectors, XR8 CAI, SS inductions CAI mod, XEDE chip = 13.3 best.
phase 3 + kit = 12.9 best

The guys were saying the best launches were when loading the autos to 2000.

One went home on the back of atow truck unfortunately due to diff failure.Yeah thats true , (phase 2/MoTeC engine management, larger fuel injectors, XR8 CAI, SS inductions CAI mod, XEDE chip = 13.3 best.) See HERE (http://groups.msn.com/bobsmods/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=19)

[PASHEN]

Some confirmed 1/4 mile APS kitted car times for you all...

Big Mick (top bloke!) has run a 12.38 @ 115 mph with a stock phase II system, and one other Phase I guy has run a 13.16 pass at Calder (on his first night at the calder drags).

Not bad huh? If there are timeslips I can find to attach, I'll do so.

Cheers

[markone2]

Why is it that people, especially turbos, seem to post quicker times at Calder? Is it the temperature?


Yep.and not only Turbo's suffer in the heat but the Gen111's as well...My time slips can differ up to 2/10ths on the same day as temperatures come down in the evening...and more so on 30 deg plus days

[Dane]

Just raising the fact that I think the XR6T is the Australian muscle car benchmark at the moment.

Of course I could be wrong...

.... You are. :D

Manya motor heads would turn in thier graves if they heard a 6 cyclinder was referred to as an "Aussie Muscel Car". Yerrr yerrr there's a little tinny tinny turbo attached, but dont kid ya self that a XR6T would be in the 'aussie' all time greats. :lol:

And if ya still think the XR6T is a 'Muscle' car, then it will be good to see the Supercars run this sensation 6 cyclinder........ LOL :p

Stiring the pot ...... Still laughin at the though of the XR6T as a muscle car. :flip3:

Cheers (As I head off to my lowly VXSS S/c .... Wish I had a Muscle car. :p )

:cheers:

[YIIR8]

Ok, so because none of them did it on that day, it mustn't be possible. :rolleyes:

I don't know how many Turbos turned up for that day. Or what the weather was like. Or the track condition.


Have a browse of the XR6 Turbo forums. Plenty of mid 13 S1s on there.
Seen an S2 run a 12.3... With minor auto mods aswell mind...

G'Day ExAreSix,
I haven't seen a phase anything run yet mate :( , has yours got a kit on it ?? if so, what's the chance of turning up this Saturday night at Tville Dragway so we can see your beast run down the blacktop :) .
Gates open 18:30 hrs, scrutineering approx 19:30 hrs, racing starts approx 20:00hrs. Long sleeve shirt, jeans or similiar, enclosed footwear and a racing helmet.

[Robos R33]

.... You are. :D

Manya motor heads would turn in thier graves if they heard a 6 cyclinder was referred to as an "Aussie Muscel Car". Yerrr yerrr there's a little tinny tinny turbo attached, but dont kid ya self that a XR6T would be in the 'aussie' all time greats. :lol:

And if ya still think the XR6T is a 'Muscle' car, then it will be good to see the Supercars run this sensation 6 cyclinder........ LOL :p

Stiring the pot ...... Still laughin at the though of the XR6T as a muscle car. :flip3:

Cheers (As I head off to my lowly VXSS S/c .... Wish I had a Muscle car. :p )

:cheers:

Remember the E49 Charger was a "Great Aussie Muscle Car" and it only had 6 cylinders too :D

[RICHO]

Torana XU1 is another

[Dane]

Remember the E49 Charger was a "Great Aussie Muscle Car" and it only had 6 cylinders too :D


... Yerrr, the E49 is as close to been a muscle car as the XU1, looking at it there are a few 6's in the Muscle catagory, but you'd have to agree these 6's have been run and won at events such as Bathurst. :) All personal opinion of course. :lol: Im still smiling at the thought of a XR6T been considered a Muscle car.


.... Back to work Dane. lol :lol:


CHeers. :D

[ExAreSix]

I know the in and out's of t'ville drags. I've ran my ute down there a few times ;)

My best run was a 13.9, with a capa boost box. Very primitive and inconsistent. Has since been removed.

Was a bad night for it. Rained before hand, very slick conditions. One of the members on here with an SS ute ran the same night. His best that night was a 14 flat. His PB is a 13.2 (From memory?) at another location.
I'm getting a XEDE chip installed next week, so my first opportunity to head down to the drags, I'll be there.
I haven't had a run down since the cold snap... Keen to get down before the temp rises again ;)

I might come down this saturday... But my ute is stock, so don't expect anything better than a low 14... ;)


G'Day ExAreSix,
I haven't seen a phase anything run yet mate :( , has yours got a kit on it ?? if so, what's the chance of turning up this Saturday night at Tville Dragway so we can see your beast run down the blacktop :) .
Gates open 18:30 hrs, scrutineering approx 19:30 hrs, racing starts approx 20:00hrs. Long sleeve shirt, jeans or similiar, enclosed footwear and a racing helmet.

[ExAreSix]

Some confirmed 1/4 mile APS kitted car times for you all...

Big Mick (top bloke!) has run a 12.38 @ 115 mph with a stock phase II system, and one other Phase I guy has run a 13.16 pass at Calder (on his first night at the calder drags).

Not bad huh? If there are timeslips I can find to attach, I'll do so.

Cheers


A phase 2 do a 12.3? :lol: good one :lol:


Yeah, was a good run... :rolleyes:
Realize, he has also had minor auto mods. Other than that, stock S2.

[YIIR8]

I know the in and out's of t'ville drags. I've ran my ute down there a few times ;)

My best run was a 13.9, with a capa boost box. Very primitive and inconsistent. Has since been removed.

Was a bad night for it. Rained before hand, very slick conditions. One of the members on here with an SS ute ran the same night. His best that night was a 14 flat. His PB is a 13.2 (From memory?) at another location.
I'm getting a XEDE chip installed next week, so my first opportunity to head down to the drags, I'll be there.
I haven't had a run down since the cold snap... Keen to get down before the temp rises again ;)

I might come down this saturday... But my ute is stock, so don't expect anything better than a low 14... ;)

Good stuff....... The SS ute your talking about, was that Nev's by any chance ??
My cars no rocket by any means, just love throwing it down the blacktop without worrying about flashing blue/red lights and sirens.
See ya there :D

[ExAreSix]

Good stuff....... The SS ute your talking about, was that Nev's by any chance ??
My cars no rocket by any means, just love throwing it down the blacktop without worrying about flashing blue/red lights and sirens.
See ya there :D

Um, may have been 'Nev'... Was 3 mths ago I spoke to him. Don't recall his name.

What times have you managed on the 1/4?
Been to any other strips besides TSV?

[fatovich]

G'Day ExAreSix,
I haven't seen a phase anything run yet mate :( , has yours got a kit on it ?? if so, what's the chance of turning up this Saturday night at Tville Dragway so we can see your beast run down the blacktop :) .
Gates open 18:30 hrs, scrutineering approx 19:30 hrs, racing starts approx 20:00hrs. Long sleeve shirt, jeans or similiar, enclosed footwear and a racing helmet.

You its on this week? I thought the next meeting was on the 10th.

[PASHEN]

Still laughin at the though of the XR6T as a muscle car. :flip3:

Cheers (As I head off to my lowly VXSS S/c .... Wish I had a Muscle car. :p )

:cheers:[/QUOTE]

Have you been in one yet? Especially a worked one? No shit mate, get inside one, and your whole concept about performance cars will be different.

I dont race too often on the streets, but on Friday afternoon.....

I was driving down the highway from the Gold Coast to Brisbane, sitting at 100kph. A hothouse green clubsport R8 came up behind me quite quickly, overtook me, and cruised beside me on my right hand side. I looked to see three younger guys (about 25 y/o) in the car, windows down, laughing at me, calling my car a try-hard, mocking my number plates and calling me a wa*ker.

I normally ignore these, but it was about 1pm, sunny day, very little trafiic on the highway. I asked them if they wanted to run, they said f*ckyeah. We both nailed it at 100kph. My car got to 170kph, leaving them for dead, and had time to slow back down to 100kph before they knew what hit them. They screamed past me once I'd alredy slowed back top the speed limit, too embarrased to look, at around 140kph....what wankers!

The best part? I few km's ahead, they were pulled up on the side of the road by a copper. I drove past them on the left lane, with my one-finger salute waving at them out of the sunroof.

...one of those priceless moments....was this someone on this forum? :lol:

[plonkerchops]

have you been in one yet? Especially a worked one? No shit mate, get inside one, and your whole concept about performance cars will be different.


I'll have to agree with you there Pashen
A friend has the phase 2 kit over here in a ute , its an auto, awesomely quick , especially ingear acceleration, puts the power down well , especially for a ute , and is silky smooth to drive ...
ineteresting to see what yours is like with an extra 50 kilowats at the wheels :)

[seldo]

Yeah, I'd reckon that'd be a pretty good gadget with 309rwkw! I drove a standard one before I bought my Senator, and it just didn't do it for me - felt like a not especially quick cab, (sorry, that sounds harsh, but that was my impression). With 309rwkw it would sure see off a standard R8 though! :cheers:

[YIIR8]

Well still haven't seen a phase anything run yet (I don't think i have anyway)
there was two XR6T's out the drags sat just gone(both autos). Stock orange one ran mid 15's and a black one ran a best 13.48 (don't know what it had done to it). Managed to have a run with the black one, but it wasn't his best run as I had him by approx 7 lengths @ 400mtrs. :confused:
What had a few of us fellas confused was the inconsistency of his runs, I mean he did a best of 13.48, but he was also running 14.6, 14.2, 14.5, low 15's, thought it would of been fairly consistent being an auto :confused:

Hey ExAreSix, drags are on again this Sat mate seeing as you couldn't make it there last week :D

[V82xist]

Well still haven't seen a phase anything run yet (I don't think i have anyway)
there was two XR6T's out the drags sat just gone(both autos). Stock orange one ran mid 15's and a black one ran a best 13.48 (don't know what it had done to it). Managed to have a run with the black one, but it wasn't his best run as I had him by approx 7 lengths @ 400mtrs. :confused:
What had a few of us fellas confused was the inconsistency of his runs, I mean he did a best of 13.48, but he was also running 14.6, 14.2, 14.5, low 15's, thought it would of been fairly consistent being an auto :confused:

Hey ExAreSix, drags are on again this Sat mate seeing as you couldn't make it there last week :D
Hey YIIR8, just watch out I'm sure they are just playing with you as they can do 12's you know, real easy.....apparently :D . I think they are a bit shy or just don't want to hurt our ego's or something as I've only ever seen a phase 3 + do a 12.9 but as these guys claim a phase 1 only spending $1500.00 can do low 13s and even 12's they are being more than nice with us at the track :p I'll be interested to hear how ExAreSix goes at the drags against you mate :cheers:

[ExAreSix]

Well still haven't seen a phase anything run yet (I don't think i have anyway)
there was two XR6T's out the drags sat just gone(both autos). Stock orange one ran mid 15's and a black one ran a best 13.48 (don't know what it had done to it). Managed to have a run with the black one, but it wasn't his best run as I had him by approx 7 lengths @ 400mtrs. :confused:
What had a few of us fellas confused was the inconsistency of his runs, I mean he did a best of 13.48, but he was also running 14.6, 14.2, 14.5, low 15's, thought it would of been fairly consistent being an auto :confused:

Hey ExAreSix, drags are on again this Sat mate seeing as you couldn't make it there last week :D

I believe the Black XR6T has an Xede chip. S1 chiptorque. I'm getting mine installed friday, and yes, I'll be there Sat night.
Not sure what I'll run, not expecting anything better than a mid to high 13.
I know not to set my targets too high at TSV drags... ;)

Will seeya there :D

[YIIR8]

I believe the Black XR6T has an Xede chip. S1 chiptorque. I'm getting mine installed friday, and yes, I'll be there Sat night.
Not sure what I'll run, not expecting anything better than a mid to high 13.
I know not to set my targets too high at TSV drags... ;)

Will seeya there :D

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for ya:D

[ExAreSix]

Hey YIIR8, just watch out I'm sure they are just playing with you as they can do 12's you know, real easy.....apparently :D . I think they are a bit shy or just don't want to hurt our ego's or something as I've only ever seen a phase 3 + do a 12.9 but as these guys claim a phase 1 only spending $1500.00 can do low 13s and even 12's they are being more than nice with us at the track :p I'll be interested to hear how ExAreSix goes at the drags against you mate :cheers:

Another APS Phase 2 ran a 12.38 @ 114mph last night at Willowbank.


No-one said it's 'real easy', but it is achievable.
That's 2 Phase 2 cars that have run 12.3s... :p

[motomk]

Yep, I have seen a Phase 2 do around a mid 12 and a phase 1 in the mid to low 13's at Calder a few weeks ago! I think Big Mick was one of them! The other fellow who I spoke to briefly had not been drag racing before but ran a low 13 with his phase 1 car.

motomk

[markone2]

Another APS Phase 2 ran a 12.38 @ 114mph last night at Willowbank.


:p

What colour?...I thought Grunters AU was the only Ford there last night running any numbers....apart from the stock as a rock BA XR8 straight from the workshops of Q Ford that ran 13.8....a very good number indeed for a total stockie imho :)

[Buf-Phoon]

Sorry for the belated response, but that would be my car and it has an APS Phase 2 not Phase 3 and certainly has significantly less than 10k spent on it.
That said I am a slow poke compared with a number of phase 2 kitted cars running mids 12s consistently

See you guys at the track sometime soon


[QUOTE=V82xist]The quickest time we saw out of a phase 3 kitted Turbo on our LS1 Vs XR6T day at WSID was a 12.9sec 1/4. That car had cost alot more than $10k in mods also.

[ExAreSix]

What colour?...I thought Grunters AU was the only Ford there last night running any numbers....apart from the stock as a rock BA XR8 straight from the workshops of Q Ford that ran 13.8....a very good number indeed for a total stockie imho :)

Very good time for a stock XR8... Impressed much.

The Phase 2 is in question is Phantom (Purple). GT wing, 19" wheels... Be hard to miss? :confused:

[markone2]

Very good time for a stock XR8... Impressed much.

The Phase 2 is in question is Phantom (Purple). GT wing, 19" wheels... Be hard to miss? :confused:

Afraid I cannot recall it :confused: ..but then I only had my mind on one thing last night in the cooler conditions :burnout: ..usually I make a habit of parking out of the lights back down at the *LS1* office waiting to *escort* these particular cars onto the track.....must have slipped up last night and let one slip through the net :D

[sssbt]

My best 60 foot is 2.06? from memory



Yeah thats true , (phase 2/MoTeC engine management, larger fuel injectors, XR8 CAI, SS inductions CAI mod, XEDE chip = 13.3 best.) See HERE (http://groups.msn.com/bobsmods/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=19)


Wrong.. :lol: thats my car which only has the exede chip.2nd CAI and 700hp fuel pump(no injectors,definitely no motec,)...best time being a 13.3...now the next meet we have it might be a wee bit different :lol:

The xr6t that ran the 12.9 was only a ph2 and the car taken away on the towie had a broken axle not diff