Fuel prices over the next 2 years

[clixanup]

On the radio this morning, I heard that fuel prices in Australia could reach $3 per litre by 2006 as the world's oil is running out.

Did anyone else hear this?

Will we all be stuck with cars we can no longer use over the next couple of years? Or is this just more crap from the oil companies so that they can continue to sting us for their product?

Oil companies suck. :mad:

[HRTSEN]

Hi

That is lovely. My latest toy has a fuel tank close to 300 litres!

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[rocks-crewman]

Nothing like a bit of a media beat-up to sell more papers and put a bit of fear into the public. I remember hearing the same stories in 1973. Remember being taught at school that oil is the by-product of dead dinosaurs? If that was true we would have run out of oil long ago. What happens to plants and animals when they die? Certainly not turn into oil! I'm no scientist, but a bit of web-surfing and research suggests that oil is produced in the earth's mantle and as it cools it is forced to the crust by volcanic activity. Ever see a volcano spew lava etc. Smells like standing next to a refinery.
Like a lot of the stuff we see in the media or even be taught at schools, it is all in order to keep us fat, dumb and happy. Fear is a powerful weapon and is well used by the media.
It wasn't that long ago that schools taught the civilisation started 6000 years ago! It is amazing what lengths the oil cartels will go to in order to justify high prices for a product that is cheaper to produce and refine than milk is to bottle.

[vt2vx]

gov't will love it even more money to scrape off per litre in double tax.

time to buy 8 large rubber bands.

[chevypower]

I believe Ethanol and Bio-diesel can be produced without OPEC, and without Saudi Arabia and without relying on crude oil prices and supply, and therefore:

1. Many companies can compete in its production
2. Bio-diesel will boost the farming industry which is great
3. Environmentally friendly
4. Cheaper to produce
5. Ethanol is portable like petrol

When can we all switch over? Just hope the government doesnt over-tax it.

[cutter bob]

the problem is not we are runnung out of oil, its just we cant pump it fast enought to supply demand!!! but considering over half the worlds oil goes to Producing power and heating this problem could be easly fixed!!! now for all u greens keep huging those trees and shutup for a sec :stick: , but there is the option of nuclear power and considering australia has 2/3 of the worlds uranium on its tertory it could make us all very rich..... just dont let the russians build or run them :D

[Malcolmsp]

Like a lot of the stuff we see in the media or even be taught at schools, it is all in order to keep us fat, dumb and happy.

I have achieved two...one more to go !

cheers
Mal

[vxcalaiszzz]

If petrol gets to $3 per litre, that will be the least of your worries. Cost of goods will go through the roof, inflation will cause huge interest rates, mortgage will become real expensive, housing prices will collapse, you'll be on strike trying to get a 20% pay rise from your boss etc etc

If George Bush is in power in three years time, he will make sure petrol doesn't hit $3 per litre, rumour has it he likes a good :bash: :box: :cussing: in the Middle East. :D

[JerrysR8]

Nothing like a bit of a media beat-up to sell more papers and put a bit of fear into the public. I remember hearing the same stories in 1973. Remember being taught at school that oil is the by-product of dead dinosaurs? If that was true we would have run out of oil long ago. What happens to plants and animals when they die? Certainly not turn into oil! I'm no scientist, but a bit of web-surfing and research suggests that oil is produced in the earth's mantle and as it cools it is forced to the crust by volcanic activity. Ever see a volcano spew lava etc. Smells like standing next to a refinery.
Like a lot of the stuff we see in the media or even be taught at schools, it is all in order to keep us fat, dumb and happy. Fear is a powerful weapon and is well used by the media.
It wasn't that long ago that schools taught the civilisation started 6000 years ago! It is amazing what lengths the oil cartels will go to in order to justify high prices for a product that is cheaper to produce and refine than milk is to bottle.

Yep, that's the media for ya, but in 1973 did you envisage fuel prices topping $1.20pL? They have been in Adelaide in recent weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit $1.50 by '06. As long as everyone keeps paying rediculous prices, the prices aren't gonna go down.
As for Ethanol powered cars, good in theory but it lacks the efficiency that most people will refuse to give up, plus it's gonna get bl00dy humid if everyone starts using 'em. I say give 'em to the greenies that drive around in their 'leaded' 1972 Corrollas...oh yeah, and the pollies charging 40c perL tax.
My work vehicle only uses 5 tonnes of fuel per hour!

[KeenGolfer]

There is no doubt petrol will become prohibitively expensive when oil starts to run out. But no-one can say when that will happen, but pretty sure it will be in our life times. Just hope they've got squared away with alternative fuels by then or there will be major world chaos.

[rocks-crewman]

I went to the USA in 1988 to do a course, and I remember watching the news and seeing a story about a fella driving a VW Beetle across the USA with it being powered by 4 gallons of fresh tap water for the 5000 odd km trip. I recall him saying that the engine made heaps more power, the oil did'nt get dirty and that the water he left L.A in was the same water he arrived in N.Y with (so the engine kept 'burning the same water' somehow) - like after the combustion cycle the condensated water would cool down through the exhaust, re-enter the tank to be 'burnt' again. Only minor changes to the exhaust and the carburettor were made.
Sounds silly, but when you think about it water is oxygen and hydrogen, two readily combusible gases that are capable of releasing vast amounts of energy. There was quite a bit of media coverage of this journey, but what I remember even more vividly was the fuel companies doing everything they could to discredit this guy much the same one One Nation was put to the sword.

Imagine belting around in your Gen3 using tap water for fuel!! Not something the govt and fuel companies want you to think about!!!!

[Drewie]

I remember back in 1979 there was a fuel crisis and I had just bought an XD Falcon Wagon 4.1, everyone was telling me what a big mistake I had made as the trend was to 4 cylinder cars, just after I got it the mighty 4 cylinder
VC Commodore hit the showrooms, and I remember looking at one and thinking maybe I should trade the Ford in, I looked in the engine bay and thought where is the motor, boy was it small, couldn't bring myself to do it, glad I didn't panic, now 25 years latter I am in a 5.7 and loving it. But I hope it doesn't get too dear as I like to run the Premium fuel and don't really want to drop back to normal unleaded if the Premium gets too dear. Maybe the days of the big V8's are numbered? Hope not!

[kaniSS-81]

Sorry for double posting this thread in the other section,.. I didnt see your thread first :)

I hear about it just then aswell $3litre, thats just stupid...


Looks like the VE could be an electric powered model now hehe joking...

:lol:

[kryten2001]

Sorry for double posting this thread in the other section,.. I didnt see your thread first :)

I hear about it just then aswell $3litre, thats just stupid...


Looks like the VE could be an electric powered model now hehe joking...

:lol:

Meh -- Gas conversion - no worries. We've got more of that crap than we know what to do with...

[Esci]

damn it might cost $20 to fill my bike now... :) Diesel Patrol will suffer tho hehe

[VILLAIN]

Ah yes i remember the seventies fuel prices went through the roof and big powerful car started to disappear, all those datsuns started to appear but alas with all those small cars on the roads running very frugally then rich oil companies had lots of oil and no one to sell it to so the price came down and the big cars came back. This may happen again but i doubt, i think there is plenty of oil still in the ground. The thing is with those filthy rich oil companies if they want to make some more money they slow oil production the demand is the same so price per barrel goes up.

[KeenGolfer]

Was just on the news, it's only 1 guys opinion, and he was an Irqai :) Nothing to get worked up about - as they said there was wide spread condemnation of his remarks. Prices may go up, but to that level in such a short time - nope.

[borry]

Meh -- Gas conversion - no worries. We've got more of that crap than we know what to do with...

then hang a turbo off the side of it, good power can still be made without paying thru the nose..... time to look under the lounge for that change i lost for a gas/turbo conversion

[dvx]

and people told me i was stupid for buying my new BMX today!
haha!:lol:

[SSbaby]

Further petrol price rises 'unlikely'
By Lorna Edwards
The Age
Thursday August 12 2004

Melbourne motorists are likely to pay up to $1.08 a litre for petrol today but the good news is further significant price rises are unlikely.

RACV government relations manager David Cumming yesterday forecast that the New York crude oil price had peaked at $US44.50 a barrel at the weekend after markets reacted to the fresh woes at embattled Russian oil giant Yukos.

The RACV believes that while prices have peaked, they are unlikely to drop considerably for the rest of the year.

However, Mr Cumming said claims reported in the media yesterday that Australians would pay between $3 and $4 within the next three years were "absolutely nonsensical".

The predictions were made by Dr Ali Samsam Bakhtiari, a senior executive of the National Iranian Oil Company, who was speaking at the "Oil: Living With Less" conference in Perth organised by the Sustainable Transport Coalition.

"This person has been sponsored into the country by a group of people who believe there is no room for fossil fuels and they would like to see the price of crude oil increase so people rode their bicycles," Mr Cumming said.

[flappist]

Prices are relative.
In 1977 i bought a shiny new falcon that cost me $5500, petrol was 14c/l
A new falcon is $40k (about 7 times) and petrol is 95c/l (about 7 times).

The nice shiny XC 4.1 6cyl 4 speed used to use a LOT more petrol than the GT-P and did 160km/h flat out.

[GM350]

Supercharged Push Bike- I thought other forums were strict, get a life moderator.

[Knight Phlier]

Originally from rocks-crewman

I went to the USA in 1988 to do a course, and I remember watching the news and seeing a story about a fella driving a VW Beetle across the USA with it being powered by 4 gallons of fresh tap water for the 5000 odd km trip. I recall him saying that the engine made heaps more power, the oil did'nt get dirty and that the water he left L.A in was the same water he arrived in N.Y with (so the engine kept 'burning the same water' somehow) - like after the combustion cycle the condensated water would cool down through the exhaust, re-enter the tank to be 'burnt' again. Only minor changes to the exhaust and the carburettor were made.
Sounds silly, but when you think about it water is oxygen and hydrogen, two readily combusible gases that are capable of releasing vast amounts of energy. There was quite a bit of media coverage of this journey, but what I remember even more vividly was the fuel companies doing everything they could to discredit this guy much the same one One Nation was put to the sword.

Imagine belting around in your Gen3 using tap water for fuel!! Not something the govt and fuel companies want you to think about!!!!


Rudolf Gunnerman (USA Inventor) invented a "Water Based Engine" which may even be able to be developed to not use fuel at all, using other additives.

http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/gun2.html

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/gunnerman.html

I'd like to know what he is upto now ...

[kaniSS-81]

Any of you guys remember that guy from Australia who created a Fuel from everyday, discarded cooking oil??

It was on Today tonight a few years ago, I think he was from Adelaide... He went around collecting used up and disacrded cooking oil from companies and food shops and created his own fuel in his back yard, which was a big success but I dont know what happned to him now lol.... probably whiped out by the oil companies ;)

lol

[Stormwalker]

Kannis - I remember that show. The guy was making Biodiesel. A quick search on Google will tell ya all you need to know. I remember (I did a school assignment on it once) that it's sold at the bowser is a few servos in places like Germany (though, it's normally commercially made from some crops, though it can be made with used cooking oil).

Lindsay

[Glenn@Autowerks]

Rudolf Gunnerman (USA Inventor) invented a "Water Based Engine" which may even be able to be developed to not use fuel at all, using other additives.

As most know in Sydney, cant use a hose to wash the car, let alone fill it up :bash:

[Swordie]

If there is a crisis similar to the 70's it could be a good time to pickup some nice classics.

A turbo diesel would sit well in a Commodore. By the time Holden get around to fitting one they could be achieving 4.5 – 6 Litres per 100 KMs

[Space Pope]

Well...with China's economy expanding at a rate of knots, oil reserves are going to get hit hard me thinks. Lots of chinese folks dontcha know ;)

More demand on dwindling reserves of a finite fuel source? -things could start to get expensive.

I think we better start looking for another fuel source and a motor that dishes up performance using it. The world is startiing to wake up to the fact that there is more demand now and it won't decrease.

India is also becoming more prosperous and that also means there could be another big hit on resources coming.

All things considered, stories of crazy oil prices down the track don't seem that far fetched at all.

Bring on the 'Mad Max' style quest for guzzalene :lol:

[cutter bob]

Nothing like a bit of a media beat-up to sell more papers and put a bit of fear into the public. I remember hearing the same stories in 1973. Remember being taught at school that oil is the by-product of dead dinosaurs? If that was true we would have run out of oil long ago. What happens to plants and animals when they die? Certainly not turn into oil! I'm no scientist, but a bit of web-surfing and research suggests that oil is produced in the earth's mantle and as it cools it is forced to the crust by volcanic activity. Ever see a volcano spew lava etc. Smells like standing next to a refinery.
Like a lot of the stuff we see in the media or even be taught at schools, it is all in order to keep us fat, dumb and happy. Fear is a powerful weapon and is well used by the media.
It wasn't that long ago that schools taught the civilisation started 6000 years ago! It is amazing what lengths the oil cartels will go to in order to justify high prices for a product that is cheaper to produce and refine than milk is to bottle.

heres a insteresting website on that topic

its amasing how the oil companys can keep things quiet

http://voluntaryxchange.typepad.com/voluntaryxchange/2004/06/where_does_oil_.html

[BIG T]

Rudolf Gunnerman (USA Inventor) invented a "Water Based Engine" which may even be able to be developed to not use fuel at all, using other additives.

http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/gun2.html

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/gunnerman.html

I'd like to know what he is upto now ...

Iam sure I heard that something happend to this guy, supposedly killed himself :confused:

Their is still plenty of oil left in the world............their is more oil in Argentina than their is in the Arab countries. At the moment its just a lot easier to extract the oil from Iraq/Saudi than it is from Argentina. Also their is a plenty of oil in Texas, but hey, they will be using that last for themselves.

[pah]

Hi all,

It sure seems like the cost of petrol is headed in ONE direction only . . . and that's up. Oil is back over $50 / barrell this week.

There are cars that run on water by-products (hydrogen & oxegen) but you can bet your boots that they will cost a motza to run because it costs a motza to separate the oxygen from the hydrogen. Check out this website for info on a hydrogen powered BMW: http://www.bmwworld.com/models/750hl.htm

Ethanol is an excellent alternative to fossil fuel but our Federal government appears to have stomped on the farmers who produce this product. Can we assume that the Oil Co's donate more to political funds than Qld's sugar farmers? ;-)

There appears to be plenty of LPG. I wish somebody would develop a high quality HI PERFORMANCE Gas Conversion for the Gen III. As petrol prices rise, demand may drive a bit of research in this area.

The BBC is NOT known for crap stories. Their web site has a couple of stories on our depleating oil supplies. Check out this site for some of the facts: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3777413.stm

If push comes to shove, maybe we'll have to build steam powered go-carts. As long as it's a conveyance with four wheels, has some exhaust noise and makes a little bit of smoke (preferably tyre smoke . . . on other than public roads of course ;-)


PAH

[vxcalaiszzz]

All the talk is self-serving propaganda and misinformation. The market forces in play here are significant and complex. More than just supply & demand, there are global socio-economic and political issues at play. Joe public will not be able to work out the truth.

US government projects a 10% real increase in the cost of oil between now and 2025 (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/oil.html.)

I can live with that. :)

[VX SS S2]

I heard a lot of the reason oil prices are so high is becuase a very large percentage of USA still use oil heaters for housing...?

At the end of the day... if the prices go too high, and people start to use less petrol then the government is likely to reduce the taxes on it becuase they would be better off with a higher usage of petrol and lower taxes... wuld result in more tax for the government... it's all to do with market equilibrium and the tax wedge....

[pah]

Hi again,

If you're saying we can't trust the dirty B's who are telling us that our oil supplies are running low, I'd agree. Especially when those dirty B's are in any way linked to the oil industry. They obviously have a vested interest in driving up oil prices as far as possible.

However, I'm not so sure I'd right off what the BBC is saying. There's always the chance that a story has been put together without critical research so "bums steers" may come from any direction. Some of the statements in the BBC article that I have mentioned above are quite stark predictions. They'd have to be brave to make such statements without some degree of back-up.

One things is certain - oil is a FINITE resource. It is going to RUN OUT ONE DAY! It's not like the MAGIC PUDDING. It's gonna run out a heck of a lot faster now that we have a billion Chinese using cars instead of push bikes.

Do you really think the George W is all that interested in "liberating" Iraq? How very coincidental that Iraq is an oil rich country! Remember how a lack of oil hindered the Nazi's in WWII? As we reach the end of the world's oil supplies, the power with the last of the oil will be THE predominant power. Destroyers, bombers and fighters don't go too far without a gut full of Texas (make that Iraqi) tea. I'd suggest that the super powers' struggle to secure oil resources is a sign that we might be nearing the end of the world's known supplies. Russian oil supplies appear to be once again under the control of the state.

We had the chance to shore up our fuel supplies and our V8's through the use of ethanol. This fuel must be OK. They're burning it by the mega-litre in the US and in countries such as Brazil. If it's OK for the Seppo's cars, why is it not ok in Australia? Maybe some or all of the Oil Co's are ardent supporters of democracy? ;-)

Look at the large number of car nuts that support this and other web sites. We're not vocal enough. We're not organised enough. We don't lobby to achieve the outcomes that we want (whether it be better roads, the repealing of draconian road laws, the support of ethanol to extend oil supplies and to provide competition to the Oil Co's). We need to get off our butts and do a little street fighting. Look at the way Jim Read fought tooth and nail to get the Western Sydney International Dragway up and running. We need somebody with his level of drive to kick start a few self-interested shiny bums.





PAH