2004 V8Supercar Oran Park Rnd 8

[SSbaby]

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 29 Sirromet - Life,Style,Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 5000 33 32 1:09.2659*
2 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 5000 35 29 1:09.4683 0:00.2024
3 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 42 24 1:09.5425 0:00.2766
4 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 5000 41 39 1:09.6899 0:00.4240
5 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 37 36 1:09.7798 0:00.5139
6 11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 35 20 1:09.8889 0:00.6230
7 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 5000 37 24 1:09.9230 0:00.6571
8 12 OzEmail Racing Team John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 5000 40 39 1:09.9686 0:00.7027
9 6 Ford Performance Racing Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 42 32 1:09.9867 0:00.7208
10 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VY 5000 42 41 1:10.0618 0:00.7959
11 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 5000 35 32 1:10.1322 0:00.8663
12 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 24 24 1:10.1436 0:00.8777
13 888 Team Betta Electrical Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 5000 39 37 1:10.1449 0:00.8790
14 5 Ford Performance Racing Glenn Seton Ford Falcon BA 5000 32 31 1:10.1753 0:00.9094
15 16 PWR Performance Products Paul Weel Holden Commodore VY 5000 33 14 1:10.1880 0:00.9221
16 021 Team Kiwi Racing Craig Baird Holden Commodore VY 5000 34 29 1:10.2632 0:00.9973
17 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 36 29 1:10.2782 0:01.0123
18 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VY 5000 42 33 1:10.4118 0:01.1459
19 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 5000 43 23 1:10.4656 0:01.1997
20 23 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 5000 40 29 1:10.5959 0:01.3300
21 17 Shell Helix Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 5000 37 34 1:10.6688 0:01.4029
22 21 OzEmail Racing Team Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 5000 34 26 1:10.7301 0:01.4642
23 18 Shell Helix Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 5000 37 32 1:10.7953 0:01.5294
24 88 Team Betta Electrical Paul Radisich Ford Falcon BA 5000 23 23 1:10.8278 0:01.5619
25 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 5000 30 27 1:10.8449 0:01.5790
26 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 32 20 1:10.8452 0:01.5793
27 31 Super Cheap Auto Racing Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 5000 32 20 1:10.8459 0:01.5800
28 7 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Tony Longhurst Holden Commodore VX 5000 31 28 1:11.0588 0:01.7929
29 14 IMS Will Davison Holden Commodore VY 5000 28 21 1:11.0867 0:01.8208
30 8 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VY 5000 31 13 1:11.2006 0:01.9347
31 48 WPS Mark Noske Ford Falcon BA 5000 43 25 1:11.3457 0:02.0798
32 45 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Dale Brede Holden Commodore VY 5000 39 22 1:11.4083 0:02.1424
33 43 PWR Performance Products Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VX 5000 44 34 1:11.5413 0:02.2754
34 24 Romano Racing Garth Walden Ford Falcon AU 5000 41 18 1:13.1764 0:03.9105
50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 5000

[seldo]

SSb: Thanks for posting these times/results every meeeting - I enjoy keeping a tab on it.
I also note that after the Cams Tribunal meeting yesterday, Steve Richards keeps his points but Larry copped a $5000 fine. Under the circumstances and given recent precedents (SBR, PWR), I guess that's fair, but it also seems to say to everyone that cheating is ok - it's just a $5k fine. I think CAMS have painted themselves into a corner. At the end of the season they need to make a statement that next year they will not tolerate any cheating at all and that there will be automatic points deduction and/or disqualification or holidays.

[SSbaby]

SSb: Thanks for posting these times/results every meeeting - I enjoy keeping a tab on it.
I also note that after the Cams Tribunal meeting yesterday, Steve Richards keeps his points but Larry copped a $5000 fine. Under the circumstances and given recent precedents (SBR, PWR), I guess that's fair, but it also seems to say to everyone that cheating is ok - it's just a $5k fine. I think CAMS have painted themselves into a corner. At the end of the season they need to make a statement that next year they will not tolerate any cheating at all and that there will be automatic points deduction and/or disqualification or holidays.

No worries. :)

I think CAMS issued a statement to say that the automatic points deduction penalty will be strictly enforced from this round.

[SSbaby]

V8 SUPERCARS - Practice 2


Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 5000 15 14 1:09.1639*
2 23 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 5000 17 16 1:09.2292 0:00.0653
3 11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 18 16 1:09.3836 0:00.2197
4 29 Sirromet - Life,Style,Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 5000 17 17 1:09.3878 0:00.2239
5 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VY 5000 19 18 1:09.4874 0:00.3235
6 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VY 5000 18 17 1:09.5148 0:00.3509
7 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 18 17 1:09.5214 0:00.3575
8 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 16 15 1:09.6428 0:00.4789
9 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 16 4 1:09.6915 0:00.5276
10 12 OzEmail Racing Team John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 5000 19 17 1:09.6980 0:00.5341
11 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 19 3 1:09.7061 0:00.5422
12 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 5000 17 5 1:09.7975 0:00.6336
13 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 20 20 1:09.8512 0:00.6873
14 888 Team Betta Electrical Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 5000 14 6 1:09.9306 0:00.7667
15 21 OzEmail Racing Team Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 5000 22 17 1:09.9677 0:00.8038
16 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 5000 18 10 1:09.9850 0:00.8211
17 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 5000 19 8 1:10.0266 0:00.8627
18 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 5000 17 6 1:10.0465 0:00.8826
19 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 5000 15 6 1:10.0552 0:00.8913
20 021 Team Kiwi Racing Craig Baird Holden Commodore VY 5000 23 20 1:10.0881 0:00.9242
21 6 Ford Performance Racing Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 20 6 1:10.1865 0:01.0226
22 16 PWR Performance Products Paul Weel Holden Commodore VY 5000 20 19 1:10.2468 0:01.0829
23 88 Team Betta Electrical Paul Radisich Ford Falcon BA 5000 15 15 1:10.3578 0:01.1939
24 5 Ford Performance Racing Glenn Seton Ford Falcon BA 5000 16 16 1:10.3939 0:01.2300
25 31 Super Cheap Auto Racing Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 5000 17 5 1:10.3965 0:01.2326
26 48 WPS Mark Noske Ford Falcon BA 5000 24 16 1:10.4597 0:01.2958
27 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 5000 22 4 1:10.4737 0:01.3098
28 17 Shell Helix Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 5000 15 6 1:10.4897 0:01.3258
29 14 IMS Will Davison Holden Commodore VY 5000 24 10 1:10.5973 0:01.4334
30 7 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Tony Longhurst Holden Commodore VX 5000 17 15 1:10.6898 0:01.5259
31 45 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Dale Brede Holden Commodore VY 5000 21 12 1:10.7582 0:01.5943
32 43 PWR Performance Products Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VX 5000 21 10 1:10.9304 0:01.7665
33 8 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VY 5000 17 7 1:11.1316 0:01.9677
34 18 Shell Helix Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 5000 15 10 1:11.3975 0:02.2336
35 24 Romano Racing Garth Walden Ford Falcon AU 5000 5 4 1:13.5152 0:04.3513

[SSbaby]

V8 SUPERCARS - Practice 3

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 5000 21 15 1:09.1613*
2 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 5000 20 13 1:09.3131 0:00.1518
3 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 5000 23 17 1:09.3598 0:00.1985
4 29 Sirromet - Life,Style,Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 5000 21 16 1:09.4274 0:00.2661
5 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 5000 22 13 1:09.5134 0:00.3521
6 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VY 5000 14 10 1:09.5361 0:00.3748
7 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 20 10 1:09.6661 0:00.5048
8 888 Team Betta Electrical Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 5000 23 16 1:09.6974 0:00.5361
9 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 5000 19 16 1:09.7007 0:00.5394
10 12 OzEmail Racing Team John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 5000 23 15 1:09.7628 0:00.6015
11 6 Ford Performance Racing Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 22 18 1:09.7759 0:00.6146
12 11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 26 9 1:09.8443 0:00.6830
13 8 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VY 5000 18 13 1:09.8467 0:00.6854
14 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 24 11 1:09.9366 0:00.7753
15 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VY 5000 22 14 1:09.9799 0:00.8186
16 88 Team Betta Electrical Paul Radisich Ford Falcon BA 5000 19 9 1:10.0217 0:00.8604
17 23 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 5000 16 14 1:10.0569 0:00.8956
18 48 WPS Mark Noske Ford Falcon BA 5000 20 14 1:10.0776 0:00.9163
19 5 Ford Performance Racing Glenn Seton Ford Falcon BA 5000 19 18 1:10.1108 0:00.9495
20 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 19 13 1:10.1168 0:00.9555
21 18 Shell Helix Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 5000 22 12 1:10.1230 0:00.9617
22 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 21 14 1:10.1291 0:00.9678
23 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:10.2026 0:01.0413
24 21 OzEmail Racing Team Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 5000 19 14 1:10.2366 0:01.0753
25 16 PWR Performance Products Paul Weel Holden Commodore VY 5000 22 15 1:10.2418 0:01.0805
26 31 Super Cheap Auto Racing Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 5000 23 19 1:10.2665 0:01.1052
27 17 Shell Helix Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 5000 21 18 1:10.2918 0:01.1305
28 14 IMS Will Davison Holden Commodore VY 5000 24 6 1:10.3414 0:01.1801
29 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 5000 20 15 1:10.3548 0:01.1935
30 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 18 15 1:10.3794 0:01.2181
31 021 Team Kiwi Racing Craig Baird Holden Commodore VY 5000 17 16 1:10.4330 0:01.2717
32 7 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Tony Longhurst Holden Commodore VX 5000 17 16 1:10.7258 0:01.5645
33 45 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Dale Brede Holden Commodore VY 5000 22 14 1:10.9262 0:01.7649
34 24 Romano Racing Garth Walden Ford Falcon AU 5000 20 8 1:13.2019 0:04.0406
43 PWR Performance Products Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VX 5000

[naff]

FARK! 1 sec covers 1st to 22nd! Plus only .5 sec to 33rd place after that!
Not much different in the times!

[HQV8]

I post the results sometimes too!!!

[The_Senator]

Are those results Correct for Practice 3??

Just checking the HSV website, and it list Skaife as 1, Murphy 2, Ambrose 9th. These Results say Sakife 1, Murphy 23 and Ambrose 5th.

Can anyone confirm which are correct? As Murph has taken a HUGE tumble from Practice 2.

Thanks..

[seldo]

I post the results sometimes too!!!
Sooorrry! Thanks to you too :thumbsup:

[Rick76]

Are those results Correct for Practice 3??

Just checking the HSV website, and it list Skaife as 1, Murphy 2, Ambrose 9th. These Results say Sakife 1, Murphy 23 and Ambrose 5th.

Can anyone confirm which are correct? As Murph has taken a HUGE tumble from Practice 2.

Thanks..

Try this link (http://www.v8supercar.com.au/calendars/clndrevent.asp?eid=164&ind=M)

Top 10 Shootout Results

1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.1107
2 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.3785 0:00.2678
3 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.4379 0:00.3272
4 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.4885 0:00.3778
5 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:09.5286 0:00.4179
6 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.5902 0:00.4795
7 29 Sirromet - Life Style Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.7262 0:00.6155
8 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:09.8503 0:00.7396
9 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:09.8594 0:00.7487
10 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:10.0653 0:00.9546

[seldo]

I shouldn't have thanked SSb & HQV8 - you've gone slack on me and i had to look up the results myself. See Top 10 shoot-out results below.

2004 V8 Supercar Championship Series - Round 8
ORAN PARK MOTORSPORT CIRCUIT

V8 SUPERCARS - Top 10 Shootout


Qualifying Q8 1 Laps
Scheduled Start 16:05

Page# 1 Issue# 1
Start Sat Aug 14 16:05
Elapsed Time 20:28


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Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.1107*
2 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.3785 0:00.2678
3 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.4379 0:00.3272
4 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.4885 0:00.3778
5 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:09.5286 0:00.4179
6 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.5902 0:00.4795
7 29 Sirromet - Life,Style,Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.7262 0:00.6155
8 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:09.8503 0:00.7396
9 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 1 1 1:09.8594 0:00.7487
10 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 5000 1 1 1:10.0653 0:00.9546

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 136kph
Current Practice Record Is 1:07.4800 Set On 05/09/1999 By Mark Skaife In A Holden Commodore
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
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[Devil CV8]

Looks like the 2 HRT cars are coming good at the right time......

[The_Senator]

Thanks Rick76.

Now that HRT are 1-2, here is hoping a round win for them. However I am sure we remember the last time it was a HRT 1-2.. Not much come of it..

Good to see Wills and Morris in the top 10. I am sure Morris still has bad memories of that shocking Start-Line crash with Brad Jones...

Here is hoping for a good outcome tomorrow - with 8 of the top 10 being commodores, those are good odds..

Agreed Devil CV8 - Hopefully HRT will have a prosperous 2nd half of the year.

[VX2VESS]

i watched it today on the bigpond site live, bugger channel ten no coverage

[Animal]

I was there today, the strong winds were playing hovac with the qualifying. Ambrose did his usual practice at p29 then qualify p4 - he is a star.

Other notables were Rick Kelly with his great lap 2 min before the session ends, GT doing a similar tyre swap and knocking Cam out of the 10, just as Rick knocked him out of the 10 :).

Highlights were Ingall ditching it at turn 2 ( the cheer was loud ), Tasman & Jason Richards cracking the top 4 at their home track ( ex-Lansvale team ), Todd Kelly starting the shootout and finishing p2 ( great fisrt split time ), Ambrose had a huge powersilde coming off the bridge ( cost him pole ) and the 2 Orrcon babes that kept walking past me - I had a woody for hours.

[HQV8]

Sorry Seldo. I didn't want to spoil the surprise of the result. :D

PS...GO HRT... :cool:

[SSbaby]

All results courtesty of Natsoft.

V8 SUPERCARS - Warm Up

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VY 5000 12 11 1:09.1301*
2 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 5000 14 13 1:09.2076 0:00.0775
3 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 5000 13 7 1:09.3824 0:00.2523
4 29 Sirromet - Life,Style,Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 5000 12 12 1:09.4583 0:00.3282
5 12 OzEmail Racing Team John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 5000 12 10 1:09.4974 0:00.3673
6 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 5000 8 7 1:09.5483 0:00.4182
7 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 11 10 1:09.5653 0:00.4352
8 16 PWR Performance Products Paul Weel Holden Commodore VY 5000 13 6 1:09.5728 0:00.4427
9 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 5000 13 12 1:09.6629 0:00.5328
10 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 5000 15 12 1:09.6925 0:00.5624
11 88 Team Betta Electrical Paul Radisich Ford Falcon BA 5000 12 12 1:09.7280 0:00.5979
12 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 5000 11 6 1:09.7697 0:00.6396
13 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 5000 12 10 1:09.8214 0:00.6913
14 17 Shell Helix Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 5000 10 9 1:09.9779 0:00.8478
15 6 Ford Performance Racing Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 12 10 1:10.0538 0:00.9237
16 31 Super Cheap Auto Racing Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 5000 13 11 1:10.0640 0:00.9339
17 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VY 5000 11 11 1:10.0882 0:00.9581
18 23 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 5000 11 10 1:10.0889 0:00.9588
19 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 14 14 1:10.1475 0:01.0174
20 021 Team Kiwi Racing Craig Baird Holden Commodore VY 5000 7 6 1:10.1703 0:01.0402
21 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 5000 11 6 1:10.2485 0:01.1184
22 21 OzEmail Racing Team Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 5000 13 5 1:10.2622 0:01.1321
23 45 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Dale Brede Holden Commodore VY 5000 13 13 1:10.2726 0:01.1425
24 888 Team Betta Electrical Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 5000 12 5 1:10.2990 0:01.1689
25 11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 5000 11 10 1:10.3466 0:01.2165
26 18 Shell Helix Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 5000 12 12 1:10.3569 0:01.2268
27 7 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Tony Longhurst Holden Commodore VX 5000 12 11 1:10.6164 0:01.4863
28 8 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VY 5000 11 10 1:10.6769 0:01.5468
29 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 5000 6 1 1:10.7345 0:01.6044
30 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 5000 14 12 1:10.7777 0:01.6476
31 48 WPS Mark Noske Ford Falcon BA 5000 13 13 1:10.8714 0:01.7413
32 14 IMS Will Davison Holden Commodore VY 5000 7 6 1:10.8850 0:01.7549
33 43 PWR Performance Products Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VX 5000 13 10 1:11.5757 0:02.4456
34 24 Romano Racing Garth Walden Ford Falcon AU 5000 1 1 1:28.5566 0:19.4265

[Rick76]

****RACE 1 SPOILER****

























RACE RESULTS Oran Park Raceway, Round 8 13/8/2004 - 15/8/2004
Race 1
Race Day: Sunday, 11:20-12:30 Race Duration: 140 Klms Reverse Grid: N

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Laps Race Time Fastest Lap Fastest Time
1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:46.1497 3 1:09.5756
2 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 54 01:05:48.9403 9 1:10.3048
3 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:02.9077 25 1:10.3026
4 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:03.8073 29 1:10.1281
5 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:17.7831 3 1:09.8462
6 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:18.3546 29 1:10.7466
7 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:18.5848 3 1:10.3663
8 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:18.8168 3 1:10.6228
9 16 PWR Performance Products Paul Weel Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:19.1287 30 1:10.5606
10 11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:19.2505 27 1:10.3014
11 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:23.6623 3 1:10.6294
12 12 OzEmail Racing Team John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:25.9858 29 1:10.3418
13 29 Sirromet - Life Style Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:29.0930 2 1:10.4679
14 88 Team Betta Electrical Paul Radisich Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:30.1285 32 1:10.7181
15 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:32.8780 8 1:10.3262
16 7 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Tony Longhurst Holden Commodore VX 54 01:06:37.7651 24 1:11.0215
17 31 Super Cheap Auto Racing Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:38.2811 24 1:10.2494
18 8 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:39.0805 33 1:10.6026
19 6 Ford Performance Racing Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:39.0912 23 1:10.4981
20 21 OzEmail Racing Team Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:39.3169 23 1:10.7584
21 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:39.9005 25 1:10.3499
22 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:45.2581 29 1:10.9908
23 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:45.9143 30 1:11.1253
24 18 Shell Helix Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:46.2123 28 1:10.8187
25 45 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Dale Brede Holden Commodore VY 54 01:06:46.7973 28 1:10.6945
26 23 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 54 01:06:57.7964 31 1:10.6297
27 48 WPS Mark Noske Ford Falcon BA 53 01:05:58.1011 32 1:10.9975
28 24 Romano Racing Garth Walden Ford Falcon AU 53 01:06:48.2256 33 1:11.8930
29 43 PWR Performance Products Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VX 53 01:06:50.4968 28 1:11.0486
30 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 52 01:05:56.8638 3 1:10.5532
31 021 Team Kiwi Racing Craig Baird Holden Commodore VY 52 01:05:57.7707 35 1:11.1317
32 17 Shell Helix Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 43 01:06:00.3458 33 1:11.2311
DNF 888 Team Betta Electrical Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 20 26:34.9319 5 1:11.3758

[HQV8]

1 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 54 01:04:39.5906 28 1:10.1559
2 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VY 54 01:04:43.9622 30 1:10.0677
3 50 PWR Performance Products Jason Bright Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:06.7731 31 1:10.2362
4 9 Caltex Havoline Race Team Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 54 01:05:12.3330 27 1:10.6022
5 16 PWR Performance Products Paul Weel Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:14.8564 28 1:10.6685
6 11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:16.0767 26 1:10.3453
7 44 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Simon Wills Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:18.9040 30 1:09.9280
8 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:22.8737 5 1:10.7378
9 3 Tasman Motorsport Jason Richards Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:23.4263 29 1:10.2712
10 15 Kmart Racing Team Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:33.6495 31 1:10.5162
11 29 Sirromet - Life Style Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:38.7786 27 1:10.6690
12 51 Kmart Racing Team Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VY 54 01:05:42.3215 7 1:10.9109
13 88 Team Betta Electrical Paul Radisich Ford Falcon BA 53 01:04:39.9146 31 1:11.5841
14 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 53 01:04:39.9741 26 1:10.7445
15 021 Team Kiwi Racing Craig Baird Holden Commodore VY 53 01:04:40.8739 29 1:10.4980
16 7 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Tony Longhurst Holden Commodore VX 53 01:04:45.4349 29 1:10.8854
17 17 Shell Helix Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 53 01:04:52.1261 29 1:11.3891
18 12 OzEmail Racing Team John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 53 01:04:52.4845 23 1:11.2557
19 43 PWR Performance Products Fabian Coulthard Holden Commodore VX 53 01:04:56.8292 25 1:11.0274
20 18 Shell Helix Racing Warren Luff Ford Falcon BA 53 01:05:00.8516 29 1:11.3531
21 5 Ford Performance Racing Glenn Seton Ford Falcon BA 53 01:05:01.0817 38 1:10.5830
22 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VY 53 01:05:01.5325 28 1:10.9480
23 8 Castrol Perkins Motorsport Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VY 53 01:05:08.0331 32 1:11.5783
24 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 53 01:05:42.2612 27 1:10.9670
25 45 Roadships/Alphawest/World Ind Dale Brede Holden Commodore VY 52 01:04:41.6027 25 1:10.9351
26 6 Ford Performance Racing Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 52 01:04:54.9295 39 1:10.6912
27 48 WPS Mark Noske Ford Falcon BA 52 01:05:15.6869 29 1:12.0612
28 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VY 52 01:05:38.4456 5 1:10.9440
29 31 Super Cheap Auto Racing Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 51 01:04:44.2171 30 1:10.4713
30 23 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 51 01:04:53.1172 40 1:11.4416
31 14 IMS Will Davison Holden Commodore VY 51 01:05:06.5536 8 1:11.7328
32 21 OzEmail Racing Team Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 47 01:04:41.4281 27 1:10.8079
DNF 888 Team Betta Electrical Max Wilson Ford Falcon BA 38 47:04.2834 32 1:10.3022
DNF 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 11 14:28.2443 5 1:11.9732
DNF 24 Romano Racing Garth Walden Ford Falcon AU 1 1:36.4729

[keshan]

SBR did it again, both cars !!!!
(( Doesn't matter they are Ford or Holden, are doing reallly good ))
good on you SBR !!! :) ;) It was a good race !!! ;)

[mgygto]

Spent the day at Oran Park yesterday and was pleased to see that the biggest problems from last year in regard to parking were fixed. 3 hours to exit the car park last year, 10 minutes this year.....they actually had a PLAN! Wow. The racing was excellent with Ford and Holden fans both ending up happy at the end of the day and the second race with both Car #1 and Car #2 needing to get through backmarkers in the second half of the race made it really interesting. And finally Oran Park put a couple of big screens in for the fans. The 10 lap window to change tyres was FANTASTIC for all fans trackside as it meant there was no confusion as to who was leading etc after the window. All in all a great day trackside...now bring on BATHURST

[The Nurse]

totally agree with mgygto's comments about how much it was better organsied this year, it's a wonder why they didn't close cobbity road off years ago. the only thing Im not overly impressed by was the fact Ambrose was declared the winner purely on the fact he won race 2. I was under the impression that in that situation the winner was detirmened by a countback to qualifying. Seeing both races were exactly the same length and worth the same points what makes race 2 more important?

[seldo]

Seeing both races were exactly the same length and worth the same points what makes race 2 more important?
The rules...No logic, it's just that dem's de rules

[VX2VESS]

totally agree with mgygto's comments about how much it was better organsied this year, it's a wonder why they didn't close cobbity road off years ago. the only thing Im not overly impressed by was the fact Ambrose was declared the winner purely on the fact he won race 2. I was under the impression that in that situation the winner was detirmened by a countback to qualifying. Seeing both races were exactly the same length and worth the same points what makes race 2 more important?

stupid rule, make sure you win the last race

[SSbaby]

totally agree with mgygto's comments about how much it was better organsied this year, it's a wonder why they didn't close cobbity road off years ago. the only thing Im not overly impressed by was the fact Ambrose was declared the winner purely on the fact he won race 2. I was under the impression that in that situation the winner was detirmened by a countback to qualifying. Seeing both races were exactly the same length and worth the same points what makes race 2 more important?

I would think that winning race 2 would be more important based on the fact that the system rewards the driver/team that manages their tyres best. In other words, given the total race distance, the winner of race 2 was also the fastest car circulating at the end of the round...therefore being declared as the round winner.

Fair enough me thinks.

[seldo]

SSb; Good call

[Devil CV8]

The 10 lap window to change tyres was FANTASTIC for all fans trackside as it meant there was no confusion as to who was leading etc after the window.
I think the best thing was the window not opening too early in the race, and making the tyre choices a lot more interesting......


ps. Message to Skaife........
Practice your damn starts.....

[The Nurse]

ps. Message to Skaife........
Practice your damn starts.....

Skaifey's start was great in the second race it's just he can't compete with the launch control/traction control Ambrose has :hide: :p

[mgygto]

I would think that winning race 2 would be more important based on the fact that the system rewards the driver/team that manages their tyres best. In other words, given the total race distance, the winner of race 2 was also the fastest car circulating at the end of the round...therefore being declared as the round winner.

Fair enough me thinks.

Sorry but even that comment is not true. A driver who manages tyres to win pole, win race one , come second in race two has managed tyre use better than a driver who finishes 5th in qualifying, second in race one and first in race two. The fact that Ambrose won race two doesn't mean he ended on better tyres than Skaife and it was obvious from watching the race that neither driver was really having issues with tyres at the end. Without meaning to sound disrespectful SSbaby its little like rewarding the driver with the most petrol left in the tank at the end of the race! It really doesn't matter either way , Skaife and Ambrose were so far superior to any other driver the split result was a good one.

[Devil CV8]

Skaifey's start was great in the second race it's just he can't compete with the launch control/traction control Ambrose has :hide: :p
I don't know, I never saw the SBR mechanic leaning in to remove the t/c, and 50mm wire :p

seriously, Skaife's starts in both races were not very good.

[naff]

So MGYGTO, them results sorta blow ya theory that the finding of the 'secret' wire was the end of Ambrose's season, and that SBR were in a never ending downward spiral.
It was a interesting race weekend, with good racing from pretty much everybody and not to many dodgy incidents.
Anybody heard anything else on the supposed PWR sabotage?
Wats it really matter who gets credited with the round win if both people get the same points out of it?

[Aus8]

Im not so sure that Skaifes start was so bad in the second race or that Ambrose just had a good start? I say this as Skaife was back with the pack in second place and ambrose was 5 car lengths in front of all of them. No one got in front of Skaife by the first corner except for Ambrose so It cant have been that bad. Although saying that Ingall almost had him.

Also I agree that with the rules on Ambrose being the winner. It makes sense to me as its the last/final race and almost seems more important than the first race if you know what I mean.

Aus8

[Aus8]

I am confussed by a couple of things I have heard from Kees.

1.)
Kees Weel said that the cars and bonnet were not locked up on thursday night
like usual?

Whynot? Are these guys professional's or what? I would have thought they
would have strict security procedures to follow wouldnt you?

2.)
Also he didnt want to get the police involved? Whynot? I wouldnt hesitate to
call them in if someone had attempted to possibly kill/injure my lead driver
or sabotage my equipment and destroy a $125 000 engine.

3.)
One more thing, why did this happen on thursday and no one heard about it
until Sunday afternoon?

I cant get my head around those points and it just seems fishy to me. Anyone
else think so?

Cheers

Aus8

[mgygto]

So MGYGTO, them results sorta blow ya theory that the finding of the 'secret' wire was the end of Ambrose's season, and that SBR were in a never ending downward spiral.

Well I wasn't going to jump into this one again but since you raised it the race actually confims it. Ambrose's car again in this race did not have the straight line speed it had pre-Winton. It was obvious to everyone at the track that on the straight it was no where near as quick as the HRT car. What was also obvious in every other race when Ambrose has been at the front he has run away with the race steadily increasing his lead. At Oran Park he did not even have the pace to catch Skaife in the first race, in the second race he did not have the pace to distance himself from Skaife. Ambrose was also quicker last year than this year. Again, as we know , a small gain makes a huge difference - its clear Ambrose has lost that with the main talking point was his inability to "run away" with it. In the pits amongst the teams there is enormous antagonism towards SBR over this.

[Connolly]

The Jason Bright Sabotage was announced earlier than sunday, I was listening to the commentators talk about it on the bigpond v8supercars live on saturday morning. He would of had to of stated why he wasn't attending fridays practice session. I heard ambrose on the news last night having a winge because bright brought it up after the race and that it sounded sus that he waited until after the race to have a cry about it. It was as if he was implying that the made it up.

[SSbaby]

Sorry but even that comment is not true. A driver who manages tyres to win pole, win race one , come second in race two has managed tyre use better than a driver who finishes 5th in qualifying, second in race one and first in race two. The fact that Ambrose won race two doesn't mean he ended on better tyres than Skaife and it was obvious from watching the race that neither driver was really having issues with tyres at the end. Without meaning to sound disrespectful SSbaby its little like rewarding the driver with the most petrol left in the tank at the end of the race! It really doesn't matter either way , Skaife and Ambrose were so far superior to any other driver the split result was a good one.

Maybe they should look at offering point(s) for pole. This would be regarded as a tie-breaker, effectively spiltting the two race format into 3 parts.

[seldo]

Maybe they should look at offering point(s) for pole. This would be regarded as a tie-breaker, effectively spiltting the two race format into 3 parts.
I like that too

[The_Senator]

Totally agree on the points for pole - even if it is 3 points.

I mean, you work BLOODY hard to get your car on pole, and i think the drivers would prefer 3 points over $5,000. It would have meant M.Skaife round win - something i am sure he would take over $5,000 anyday - particulary now!

Ambrose was awarded the race win, as he won there last year. Like the Ashes - if the series (or in this case points) is tied, the current holder wins.

I did notice one thing - HRT seemed to have some straight line grunt - Todd Kelly pulled away from Ingall on the straight. Hopefully this new engine evolution they used on the weekend keeps the goods up for Bathurst.

[seldo]

One thing that Skaife does need to do is to give the Toddster some lessons on protecting his line. He just opens the gate and waves them through. And also some starting practise - he has been consistently beaten off the line for the last couple of years and the SBR cars seem particularly good off the line....

[The_Senator]

Not protecting your line must be a Kelly Trait..

[seldo]

Not protecting your line must be a Kelly Trait..
:lol: Yes...Maybe it just reflects a lack of experience with some of these young bucks. I also wonder whether they have any fire in their bellies or can only drive well when it is all nice and gentlemanly.

[Aus8]

I disagree with those who say points should be awarded for the shootout. Qualifying or a shootout should never have anything to do with a result. Higher qualifying gives you an advantageous starting position and that should be all. We dont want points gained before the race has even begun. You get to start from pole that is a big enough reward.

The Senator: What you say is incorrect. Ambrose was not awarded the round win because he is the current champion. The rules state that in that situation the second race is just viewed as being more important. I think its a good idea as we dont want 2 winners and I think the second race is harder to win due to tyre wear etc. The commentators mentioned this also.

Cheers

Aus8

Cheers

Aus8

[all4ford]

Well I wasn't going to jump into this one again but since you raised it the race actually confims it. Ambrose's car again in this race did not have the straight line speed it had pre-Winton. It was obvious to everyone at the track that on the straight it was no where near as quick as the HRT car. What was also obvious in every other race when Ambrose has been at the front he has run away with the race steadily increasing his lead. At Oran Park he did not even have the pace to catch Skaife in the first race, in the second race he did not have the pace to distance himself from Skaife. Ambrose was also quicker last year than this year. Again, as we know , a small gain makes a huge difference - its clear Ambrose has lost that with the main talking point was his inability to "run away" with it. In the pits amongst the teams there is enormous antagonism towards SBR over this.
Ambrose still won, that is all that matters, if he was gaining such a huge advantage from a piece of wire than he wouldn't of won OP it is as simple as that.

How did Steven Richards go, whats the go there??? Needs a suspension tune up to be competitive??

[mgygto]

Ambrose still won, that is all that matters, if he was gaining such a huge advantage from a piece of wire than he wouldn't of won OP it is as simple as that.

How did Steven Richards go, whats the go there??? Needs a suspension tune up to be competitive??

Yes Ambrose did win and he deserved his win (at least from what we could see but who knows with SBR anymore) , he drove a more complete 2 races than Skaife. But you missed the point which was that his car is NOT the same since being caught out 2 rounds ago. A car that used to run away with the race once hitting the front in the past 2 races has not been able to. His straight line speed in the car is very different and that was apparent at both meeting since. And the definition of "huge advantage" in the supercar category can be as little as 0.5 of a second per lap which over 54 laps can add up to a significant advantage - which is where Ambrose used to be.

[Animal]

Wasn't the odd wiring from Ambrose's ECU a power supply and an earth, the two ingredients you need for a cigarette lighter, not some demonic editing tool that allows formula one engine management to become available whilst not being connected ?

And the fact that HRT have a substantially higher budget than most teams, would it not be fair to say that they possible developed some more engine speed to attempt to tackle Ambrose ? Both HRT cars were quick, Ingall was off the pace and is part of the SBR team, go figure.

And the difference between a supply and earth wire v's an 'overlooked' suspension setup is considerable different.

Some of us need to take of our holden glasses and acknowledge some facts.

Just my 2c

[mgygto]

Wasn't the odd wiring from Ambrose's ECU a power supply and an earth, the two ingredients you need for a cigarette lighter, not some demonic editing tool that allows formula one engine management to become available whilst not being connected ?

And the fact that HRT have a substantially higher budget than most teams, would it not be fair to say that they possible developed some more engine speed to attempt to tackle Ambrose ? Both HRT cars were quick, Ingall was off the pace and is part of the SBR team, go figure.

And the difference between a supply and earth wire v's an 'overlooked' suspension setup is considerable different.

Some of us need to take of our holden glasses and acknowledge some facts.

Just my 2c

Having the Holden glasses on didn't create the altered loom at SBR - thats the facts. Wiring for Cigarette Lighter - mmm now that is funny!!! Yes HRT have got good speed and that can be put down to the engine development BUT Ambrose didn't race away from the FIELD was the point, not just MS.

[Animal]

I have edited your quote for you


Having the Holden glasses on didn't create the altered loom at SBR - thats the facts.
Although having a supply and an earth without any signal or interface wires. You may like to explain to me how a performance enhancing device may be attached to this and how it may operate.


device Wiring for Cigarette Lighter - mmm now that is funny!!! .
It was meant to be, I was a technicial for over 7 years. Unless the device is wireless ( RF or Infrared ) there still needs to be another device to either send or receive, neither were present. A cigarette lighter is a possible answer though.


Yes HRT have got good speed and that can be put down to the engine development BUT Ambrose didn't race away from the FIELD was the point, not just MS.
Neither Ambrose of Ingall rate Oran Park as one of their least favourite tracks. Isn't a suprise when they don't perform to well when they are there. ( Even when they win and lap cars such as Radisich who came 13th and Bargwanna who came 14th. And Bright who was 3rd was some 40 seconds behind Ambrose) I beleive he raced away from the field ;)

[seldo]

Wasn't the odd wiring from Ambrose's ECU a power supply and an earth, the two ingredients you need for a cigarette lighter, not some demonic editing tool that allows formula one engine management to become available whilst not being connected ?



Psst! Animal! You need a power supply and an earth to run any sort of DC powered device... :eyes:

[mgygto]

I have edited your quote for you


Although having a supply and an earth without any signal or interface wires. You may like to explain to me how a performance enhancing device may be attached to this and how it may operate.


It was meant to be, I was a technicial for over 7 years. Unless the device is wireless ( RF or Infrared ) there still needs to be another device to either send or receive, neither were present. A cigarette lighter is a possible answer though.


Neither Ambrose of Ingall rate Oran Park as one of their least favourite tracks. Isn't a suprise when they don't perform to well when they are there. ( Even when they win and lap cars such as Radisich who came 13th and Bargwanna who came 14th. And Bright who was 3rd was some 40 seconds behind Ambrose) I beleive he raced away from the field ;)

I think you need to go back and look at the report from the Stewards in regard to the wiring - you are way off track, its not just about what was uncovered it was about potentially what it was capable of pre-race and race.
Also fairly obvious from your comments that you didn't watch the race in regard to where the cars were in the field and where they were positioned on the track and the lap times for each car - its not a course that Ambrose actually dislikes and given the results of the last 2 years its easy to understand why he doesn't mind driving there. Ingall certainly has a mental issue with Oran Park which shows by the way he drives it.

[Animal]

Psst! Animal! You need a power supply and an earth to run any sort of DC powered device... :eyes:

Pssst... seldo ! .... you also need more than 2 wires for any signal to travel. :) one for supply, one for earth, one for a signal.

If it was so potentially able to enhance his car to 400bhp above his competitors, why was the penality so leanient ? The stewards decided this did they not ?

And as far as watching the race, I was actually trackside sitting at thr exit of turn 6 as they travel up to the dogleg. I did notice the positions of the cars on the track and Ambrose was still kicking their butts. As far as laptimes are concerned, every driver drives on the same track. The faster ones encounter the same lapped traffic.

[mgygto]

Pssst... seldo ! .... you also need more than 2 wires for any signal to travel. :) one for supply, one for earth, one for a signal.

If it was so potentially able to enhance his car to 400bhp above his competitors, why was the penality so leanient ? The stewards decided this did they not ?

And as far as watching the race, I was actually trackside sitting at thr exit of turn 6 as they travel up to the dogleg. I did notice the positions of the cars on the track and Ambrose was still kicking their butts. As far as laptimes are concerned, every driver drives on the same track. The faster ones encounter the same lapped traffic.

Animal, if so then you know why Bright was positioned where he was right, so I dont understand your comment then on Ambrose running away with it - stick to the facts , not creating a comment to suit. Go and look at the splits of the top 6 cars for the last 20 laps and you'll be able to see the facts not the fiction.

The stewards penalty wasn't lenient, he was docked all his points for the race which in effect would have cost him any chance of retaining the championship - THATS how serious they thought it was ( cig lighter mmm) . It was CAMS that overturned this and as Tony Cochrane from AVESCO has come out this week they have called CAMS amateurs that need to catch up with the sport.

[Animal]

My Homework

( from CAMS site )
Stone Brothers Racing will be appealing the penalty handed down in relation to a Steward’s finding that their vehicle (Car #1) was in breach of technical rules C8.11.8 and C8.11.9 (AVESCO Operations Manual).

( from the AVESCO operations maunal )
8.11.8 Control ECU loom
The wiring loom which connects the Control ECU to the ECU sensors, ECU actuators and the rest of the car through the body connector, must conform to the Control ECU loom schematic contained in schedule C4.

8.11.9 Except for connectors which are only connected 'pin to pin', the Control ECU loom must not contain any additional wiring, circuitry, connectors, break outs or components except as detailed in the control ECU loom schematic.

( from CAMS )
After reviewing all of the evidence, the Court upheld the appeal and consequently the penalty was revised to a $5,000 fine with the 192 points reinstated.

The decision of the V8 Supercar National Court of Appeal is binding and final. No further appeal from the determination of an appeal by the Court is either available under, or permitted by, the Rules save for an appeal to the FIA International Court of Appeal in accordance with the International Sporting Code.

My view

The connectors that the stewards found were a technical breach, I have no disagreement there. If there were such a major performance gain as you keep reffering to, why was the penalty overturned. If there was a gain the decision would have been upheld. Decision is made under the current rules ( Fact )



The stewards penalty wasn't lenient, he was docked all his points for the race which in effect would have cost him any chance of retaining the championship - THATS how serious they thought it was ( cig lighter mmm) . It was CAMS that overturned this and as Tony Cochrane from AVESCO has come out this week they have called CAMS amateurs that need to catch up with the sport.

CAMS is the judge here, not Tony Cochrane ( another fact )


not creating a comment to suit. Go and look at the splits of the top 6 cars for the last 20 laps and you'll be able to see the facts not the fiction.

It takes more than 20 consistent laps to win a race ( ooh .. another fact )


I Even when they win and lap cars such as Radisich who came 13th and Bargwanna who came 14th. And Bright who was 3rd was some 40 seconds behind Ambrose;)

look ... more facts. Check natsoft is you need to, figures are correct.


Ambrose's car again in this race did not have the straight line speed it had pre-Winton. It was obvious to everyone at the track that on the straight it was no where near as quick as the HRT car.

Obvious to everyone ... really .... that is not a fact unfortunatley :(

[mgygto]

My Homework

( from CAMS site )
Stone Brothers Racing will be appealing the penalty handed down in relation to a Steward’s finding that their vehicle (Car #1) was in breach of technical rules C8.11.8 and C8.11.9 (AVESCO Operations Manual).

( from the AVESCO operations maunal )
8.11.8 Control ECU loom
The wiring loom which connects the Control ECU to the ECU sensors, ECU actuators and the rest of the car through the body connector, must conform to the Control ECU loom schematic contained in schedule C4.

8.11.9 Except for connectors which are only connected 'pin to pin', the Control ECU loom must not contain any additional wiring, circuitry, connectors, break outs or components except as detailed in the control ECU loom schematic.

( from CAMS )
After reviewing all of the evidence, the Court upheld the appeal and consequently the penalty was revised to a $5,000 fine with the 192 points reinstated.

The decision of the V8 Supercar National Court of Appeal is binding and final. No further appeal from the determination of an appeal by the Court is either available under, or permitted by, the Rules save for an appeal to the FIA International Court of Appeal in accordance with the International Sporting Code.

My view

The connectors that the stewards found were a technical breach, I have no disagreement there. If there were such a major performance gain as you keep reffering to, why was the penalty overturned. If there was a gain the decision would have been upheld. Decision is made under the current rules ( Fact )



CAMS is the judge here, not Tony Cochrane ( another fact )



It takes more than 20 consistent laps to win a race ( ooh .. another fact )



look ... more facts. Check natsoft is you need to, figures are correct.



Obvious to everyone ... really .... that is not a fact unfortunatley :(

mmm you really are stretching it aren't you!! rather than labour the point against an obviously biased viewpoint suffice to say rather than your "selective" use of words and editing all anyone needs to do is look at the facts as they stand - decision wasn't overturned , the penalty was reduced in line with previous penalties for breaches, CAMS no longer have the ability to behave in this way as there is now a standard penalty of loss of points regardless of breach, the 20 laps you refer to again you've selectively edited the response which rather makes your arguement seem rather silly.
Anyway enough is enough , the racing on the weekend was fantastic, the 2 best drivers deserved the results they got, the closeness that we now have is going to make the rest of the season even more interesting than pre-Winton. Super!

[seldo]

I'm not picking on Ambrose or SBR even though you seem to think so. I also think that Larry should have received a greater penalty even if you accept his argument that he just forgot. Just as SBR forgot.... I doubt that either of them probably received any real advantage from their breaches, but they were breaches. And if breaches are not severly penalised the next bloke is going to do something that does give an advantage, confident that all you get is a $5000 fine. CAMS have got to stop being big girl's blouses, and treat the participants as professionals. Professionals read the rules, know the rules, and act within the rules. Those who are not smart enough, good enough, thorough enough, or clever enough, try to bend the rules, and they should be slated accordingly. In world athletics they get 12 months first time 2 years second, and chucked out for the 3rd.