The Future of the LS1/2/6

[XA coupe]

Discussing the future of the Ford V8 today made me think of what the General may have in store for the long term for it's V8 range. Ford seem to be setting themselves up for a forced 6 performace line with the future of the v8 uncertain ( again ! ). I wouldn't be suprised if they upped the boost on the Typhoon and called it the new GT :bash: and waved good bye to the Boss motors.

The introduction of the Alloytec in 190 form makes me wonder what comes next for the LS1 ( et al ). The greenies seem to think that all V8s are gas guzzling monsters and a 6 cyl, even if it uses the same amount of petrol as the 8, must be better by virtue of less holes. I would be very surprised if a turbo or SC variant of the 190 doesn't surface with the VE ( if not before ). Once the 190 hits the street it will be interesting to see how it performs in the real world ... so that it's potential can be guaged. I like the XR6T but I am glad I got the ( supposedly slower ) XR8 because nothing replaces the sound and feel of a V8 and it seems that the forced 6s are not a great deal more economical ( if at all ) that the great big cast lump they compete with let alone the LS1 with the lighter block.

We are truly in the golden age of performance no matter which side of the fence... but I don't know if the future is so golden .....

[Mongy]

Have heard rumours that Holden have managed to extract 300fwkw out of a new forced induction version of the V6. How far down the track they are with it I don't know, but it'll be interesting if it's true that is for sure.

[XA coupe]

given that Ford pegged back the XR6T so the numbers would market better for the V8s .. I would think Holden will be faced with the same dilemma. I guess the upside is that the commodore is still a lighter body and your Kw Goes Further ....

[FPV GTHO]

You gotta remember though that theyre predicting the weight of the VE to be pretty close to the Falcon again. The BOSS motor will be around for a while yet, i dont think Ford are going to be chasing after V8 sales with just a I6. theyve said numerous times that they'd never drop the V8 like they did before. Theres a 6.2L version with a new bore is being developed for 2006-2007 though so theres hope there.

[Mongy]

You gotta remember though that theyre predicting the weight of the VE to be pretty close to the Falcon again. The BOSS motor will be around for a while yet, i dont think Ford are going to be chasing after V8 sales with just a I6. theyve said numerous times that they'd never drop the V8 like they did before. Theres a 6.2L version with a new bore is being developed for 2006-2007 though so theres hope there.
True, that is one area we have in common with the Americans, we worship the V8 :bow: It will be the market that decides how long the V8 is sold for, not the greenies. Our respective manufacturers will offer a viable alternative but still offer the V8 for us diehards. I think Ford made a bad mistake dropping the V8 and it has taken them years to recover, they (or Holden) will be not be game to try that one in a hurry again. Look at the States, you can even buy a Nissan 4x4 ute with a V8 over there, we'll probably have similar options here soon.

[FPV GTHO]

well america' ute market is not only bigger than ours, but its just completely different. for instance, you'd think that a Hilux or Rodeo would be plenty enough for the needs of people around here, but in America its prett much considered small alongside the F250's and Dodge Rams. Its the F150 actually thats having the 6.2L MOD built for it

[XA coupe]

The LS1, IMO at least, is at more risk of disappearing as it is a crate motor.. there is nothing really invested in it locally whereas the alloytec has a nice shiny new plant.
We all know Holden read these forums .. I hope they are not planning to ease out a great australian tradition ... the V8

[slickholden]

That's right Build a V6Turbo 300KW and they could kill the V8 that's bad For Aussies that love there V8's.
I read something on the SII BA that the XR8 engine was called Boss only where before and to this point it is always known as Boss260 can we read into a power upgrade or a error in typing words ? :)

[FPV GTHO]

It sounds suspicious but its more than likely only a typo, the T-56 is by far the biggest change so far on the Mk2 Falcon. People close to Ford have been talking about a fairly big upgrade on the BA before the all new Falcon, to bring the originally rumoured weight reduction (probably only 50kg) and 6 speed auto.

[Azza]

I think the ford V8 will be with us for a while longer yet my reason, just the other day I was watching a guy at a diff engineering work shop, machining 4 all aluminium diff housing casting for the new V8 for the the boys at FPV to do some testing with. IMO its here for a while yet, or ford wouldn't be investing money into new developments such as that now would they?

[XA coupe]

It's still a 260, the rest of the drivetrain changes though

[crYnOid]

Discussing the future of the Ford V8 today made me think of what the General may have in store for the long term for it's V8 range.

LS2, 6L 2V pushrod 400hp 6500rpm limiter (but I would expect it to be detuned by Holden). Should be VZ2 or VE.

LS7, i'm going to put the spec that I believe will happen. 6.4L 3V pushrod 500hp 7000rpm limiter. see the GTO concept specs below which should give you a good idea on the LS7. Should be out 6-9 months after VE is launched.

There is also another very limited build engine that is rumoured. Specs are something like this.... based on LS7, 7L, 7000rpm+ limiter, some people are saying TT but I think that is overkill for 7L, between 600-700hp. Add 2-3 years after the LS7 for it to appear.

Please note that this is my semi educated guess taken from bits and pieces from the internet and is therefor most likely to be wrong :bash: :p

The Pontiac GTO Concept specs are:
Engine Displacement: 6.4L (389 CID)
Bore: 105.03mm (4.135”)
Stroke: 92.00mm (3.622”)
REV Limit: 7000 RPM
Peak Hp: 575 Hp @ 6800 RPM
Peak Tq: 500 Lb-Ft @ 5200 RPM
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Cam Shaft: Custom GM Hyd Roller
Valve lift: 15.75mm (.620”)
Cam Duration Int: 232 deg @ .050” Tappet
Cam Duration Exh: 272 deg @ .050” Tappet
90mm Throttle Body
Dual Mass Air Flow sensors, Cold air induction system

interesting cam :driving:

Someone on ls1tech also said that engine heads where LS7 with a "Casting number 8452"

[XA coupe]

I was thinking long term future .. 5 - 10 years, a 'strategic' look at the V8 rather than a short term look. As I said, I think Holden will probably be smart enough to keep on with the V8.
Rumour has it that Ford are considering a very stupid act... again.

[XA coupe]

the LS7 is the big block, I suspect that the naming will jump a number .. be tough to have two LS7s about !

[Drewie]

If sales of a future performance version of the Alloytech start to errode the sales of V8's, Holden may rethink the future of V8's especially if fuel prices keep increasing, it may not be worth the effort if the V8 market becomes very small it will be interesting to see even now how many SS owners have a serious look at the SV6, it looks an interesting package.

[slickholden]

I would only go back from a V8 if the V6 was 20% more powerful, But i would buy the SV6 it's a good deal cheap,top car can't wait to get in one soon :) KD here i come :D

[ls1350]

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well america' ute market is not only bigger than ours, but its just completely different. for instance, you'd think that a Hilux or Rodeo would be plenty enough for the needs of people around here, but in America its prett much considered small alongside the F250's and Dodge Rams. Its the F150 actually thats having the 6.2L MOD built for it[/I]


First USA is big on pick up trucks. utes (Australian) Only two real utes here
commadore & falcons the rest are pick ups or 4x4's. the ute was the brain child of a vic framers wife who asked ford Australia to come up with car that she could go to church on sunday(clean car style) and take the pigs to town monday something like the Ford pick up she owned but more like a car. Ford told her she was mad but one day it happen and the ute was born 1/2 car 1/2
pick up from here the rest of the world saw it and well the rest is history.


Now FPV GTHO I'm not having a shot at you just pointing out that the yanks ute mark is not as big as ours. Yes as 99% of people and I was one who believed the yanks had it.But we have utes the rest are pick up trucks or try hards.


Now to the V8 life. we talk about 190V6's up to 300kw and XR6T gonig up in kw's All I can say is what is your fwkw's with n/a on your 8's and what stops Holden and Ford doing the same thing???

same mods V8's will alway's win over the 6's
;)

[FPV GTHO]

First USA is big on pick up trucks. utes (Australian) Only two real utes here
commadore & falcons the rest are pick ups or 4x4's. the ute was the brain child of a vic framers wife who asked ford Australia to come up with car that she could go to church on sunday(clean car style) and take the pigs to town monday something like the Ford pick up she owned but more like a car. Ford told her she was mad but one day it happen and the ute was born 1/2 car 1/2
pick up from here the rest of the world saw it and well the rest is history.


Now FPV GTHO I'm not having a shot at you just pointing out that the yanks ute mark is not as big as ours. Yes as 99% of people and I was one who believed the yanks had it.But we have utes the rest are pick up trucks or try hards.

cummon, you get what i mean. i know what a ute and a pick up are, ute just slipped out when i first said it
Well if you look at it that way though, the US has practically NO ute market anymore.

[slickholden]

The U.S are into them big pickups, Make a Cross8 look like a barina with the size they have over there :D

[ls1350]

FPV GTHO sorry mate I was in a nit picking mood or as my wife would say that it's that time of month again.

[FPV GTHO]

your wife's the one that says that??? no worries though

[ROK350]

I am pretty sure that the V8's will keep on keeping on. We may see some modifications and DOD is definitely something I reckon we will see here sooner rather then later. Thing is that most people are shocked at the economy figures I get out of my ute, particularly when compared to those in I6 BA's, AU's. My brother -in-laws mate has a 1.3L Suzuki Jimny and he is flatout getting 300kms out of a 45 litre tank (any type of driving) and it certainly is no fire breather.