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TriShield
02-10-2004, 12:05 PM
Looking Back While Galloping Forward

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By John DiPietro
Date posted: 10-01-2004

After reacting like Pavlov's dog every time we saw the '05 Mustang prototype at the car shows and the production version in pictures, we were beside ourselves. What a looker this car is — they could sell a million of them if they just gave last year's car these new threads. Still, we were hoping that there would be more to Ford's latest pony than head-turning retro looks. The day of reckoning came when we got to spend a full day with the 2005 Mustang, both on the road and the track, and let's just say that we weren't disappointed.

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A harmonious blend of the past and the present. All that's missing is a hood scoop that says "Cobra Jet" on it.

As far as exterior design goes, not since the 1970 Fastback has there been a Mustang that's been so right. Like the latest Thunderbird, the designers managed to pay homage to a classic style without having the end result looking like a caricature of the original. The canted nose with its big grille and round headlights recalls the '67 to '69 Mustangs, while the side sculpting, fastback roofline and taillights recall those ponies of the 1965 vintage. Even the triangular side windows are reminiscent of what Carol Shelby did when he made the 1965 Mustang "2 + 2" (a.k.a. the Fastback) into his Shelby GT 350.

Unlike the similarly retro-styled Thunderbird, whose cabin borrows its dash and console from its Lincoln LS cousin, the Mustang's interior is unique and matches the exterior design theme. Look at the instrument panel and it's obvious that the old-school influences are there — a dual-hooded dash with (optional) aluminum accent panels pays tasteful homage to the 1967-'68 Mustang, as do the big speedo and tach, circular air vents and plump, round steering wheel hub. Changeable backlighting illuminates the nostalgic instruments — a modern touch that's intriguing but a little gimmicky for a pony car.

The materials and features aspects of the interior were not overlooked, either. The door panels and release handles are now more substantial in look and feel, and one-touch up-and-down power windows add a bit of unexpected convenience. The climate control setup is the tried-and-true three-knob design, which is fine with us — if it ain't broke, ya don't need to fix it.

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The influence of the first-generation Mustang's dash is obvious, yet it still manages to look contemporary.

We're also glad to report that the sorry ergonomics of previous Mustangs, such as the "sitting on an ottoman" seating position and gorilla's-reach gearshifter location have been exorcised for 2005. With the new car, you sit more in rather than on the seats. Although they're generally quite comfortable (as we discovered on a rather lengthy ride back from the track — yes, we took a wrong turn), we still think more aggressive lateral bolstering is in order.

Although the previous manual gearshifter was bolted directly to the gearbox, this year's is a remote-linkage setup that puts the stick within easy reach regardless of the driver's height. And lest you worry about the shifter's action feeling disconnected due to the non-direct design, fret not. Compared to the rubbery yet clunky feel of the 2004 car, the '05's shifter is much more precise and simply more satisfying to use whether jockeying in traffic or blasting around a racetrack.

TriShield
02-10-2004, 12:06 PM
While the handsome style of the '05 Mustang is obviously rooted in the past, behind the galloping horse in the grille is a thoroughly modern source of motivation. In the GT, no less than 300 horses and 315 pound-feet of torque await the driver's command. Compared to the V8 in the '04 GT, these are substantial increases of 40 horsepower and 13 lb-ft, respectively. This 4.6-liter, all-aluminum V8 sports three valves per cylinder which, along with variable valve timing, allows for a deliciously broad spread of power. A nice bonus is that one needn't feed this steed expensive oats; 87 octane fuel is just fine. Even the V6 has more muscle this year; specs for the six-shooter now stand at 200 hp and 235 lb-ft, improvements of 10 horses and 15 lb-ft.

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With a hearty output of 300 horsepower, we figure this mill should power the new GT to 60 mph in around 5.5 seconds.

Whether you prefer an automatic or a manual gearbox in your new GT, you'll have five gears at your disposal. The do-it-yourself version has the improved shifter mentioned earlier, and the automatic is sourced from the Lincoln LS/Thunderbird. You already know that we like the stick, but the automatic proved to be the big surprise; it didn't let us down once. Under hard acceleration, changes up through the gears were so swift and smooth that there was no letup in the gratifying shove to our backsides. Downshifts were equally eager — no annoying lag, just a quick dip down into the power to get by those semiconscious sorts who tend to dawdle in the passing lane.

The V6 car comes with a choice of a five-speed manual or four-speed automatic. We drove the automatic and found it did a decent job with keeping the V6 responsive, though it wasn't quite as quick-witted as the five-speed in the GT.

At the track we had the chance to sample both the base V6 and GT Mustangs, as well as a couple of 2004 GT models. Starting out with the '04 GT, we were reminded how seriously wrong the seating position is in that car. If a driver isn't completely comfortable behind the wheel (in terms of feeling secure in the seat and having vital controls close at hand), it tends to diminish the experience, especially when trying to concentrate on driving fast. And we were also reminded how that outgoing GT is essentially a straight-line car — cornering was never this Mustang's forte. Granted, Ford did a nice job with the Bullitt and Mach 1 editions in the handling department, but the base GT was hurting in this regard when compared to contemporary sport coupes like the front-wheel-drive Acura RSX or Toyota Celica.

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Clean, well proportioned and devoid of gimmicky add-ons, the 2005 Mustang is a huge styling success.

Night and day. That's the difference between the '04 and '05 versions of the Mustang GT when the road throws you a curve. Where the '04 felt like an ornery old pony that was lazy to respond to the reins and not smooth when doing so, the new one handled like a quarter horse, turning crisply into the turns while displaying a flatter and much more composed attitude when charging through them. Many thanks go to the new suspension, which features lighter-weight components (allowing it to react quicker to changes in the road surface), repositioned and lighter coil springs, a stouter rear axle with more effective control arms and bigger brakes. The latter were noticed (and appreciated) as less prone to fading when the going got hot and heavy on the track.

After the adrenaline rush of the track, we just wanted to kick back and be comfy for the long ride back to the hotel. This over-200-mile journey brought to light how easy the '05 Mustang would be to have as a daily driver. Low wind and road noise levels, a supple ride over the bumps and a much more comfortable cabin than before helped us unwind the miles with a minimum of stress.

With the Mustang's competition pretty much nonexistent (those age-old rivals, the Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird were no longer available after 2002), Ford didn't have to make huge changes in the already popular Mustang. But the company did — not only in terms of styling but also in performance, handling and ride dynamics and basic ergonomics.

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Even the V6 car gets handsome wheels. These 16-inchers include those knock-off spinners — they certainly don't look like they'd be on a base level car to us.

TriShield
02-10-2004, 12:07 PM
With pricing slated to be just under $20,000 for the base V6 and around $25,000 for the GT (both nicely equipped, we might add), we expect that once these horses hit the market, the Ford dealers are going to see a stampede of a different kind, that of rabid enthusiasts eager to fill out sales orders.

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The classic three-bar taillights and a simulated gas cap in the center of the rear panel are a few more timeless styling cues from the 'Stang's early days.

The Bottom Line: Not merely a retro reskinning, the newest Mustang improves its performance in all areas and offers V8 enthusiasts a tempting price tag.

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TriShield
02-10-2004, 12:11 PM
A new Mustang GT smoking the rears,

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This is what the Monaro has to contend with here in the US as of today.

The base 2005 Mustang comes with a 150kW 4.0 litre V6 and starts at $23,805.02 AUD. The V8 Mustang GT starts at $34,418.75 AUD, or $8,628.52 AUD less than the Monaro we get. It comes with a 224kW 4.6 litre V8.

Redfox
02-10-2004, 12:11 PM
I love it and I want one so bad! I think I might go out and buy myself a lottery ticket... btw what is the asking price for one of these babies?

nickh
02-10-2004, 12:14 PM
those wheels make it look tacky and cheap and you need to f*(k off the boot spoiler otherwise i think it looks great...ill take mine in black with a set of 19" bullit rims..and alittle lower..nice

Redfox
02-10-2004, 12:20 PM
Yeah i'd get rid of the spoiler... and slightly lower would be very nice...

Speedy Gonzales
02-10-2004, 02:56 PM
Gorgeous, would prefer to buy one over a Monaro, 24K for a brand new Stang anyday.

TriShield
02-10-2004, 03:04 PM
Gorgeous, would prefer to buy one over a Monaro, 24K for a brand new Stang anyday.

If Ford released the Mustang in proper right-hand drive there do you think it would give the Monaro a run for it's money and heighten the Holden versus Ford rivalry? People have already been cross shopping them both online here in the States.

BA$TAD
02-10-2004, 04:35 PM
1 stang GT in black no spoiler and lowered for me please. :cool:

XLR8 V8
02-10-2004, 04:54 PM
If Ford released the Mustang in proper right-hand drive there do you think it would give the Monaro a run for it's money and heighten the Holden versus Ford rivalry? People have already been cross shopping them both online here in the States.


They did a limited sales run of the last mustang here and it was a total disaster - ridiculously overpriced once landed and converted to RHD.
If they specifically make a RHD model from factory in the US then export them the price *should* come way down and people may consider it.

QIKMIK
02-10-2004, 05:40 PM
If Ford released the Mustang in proper right-hand drive there do you think it would give the Monaro a run for it's money and heighten the Holden versus Ford rivalry? People have already been cross shopping them both online here in the States.I agree with Kris in that I think Ford found out the hard way that it won't work when they released the last Stang here. Overpriced once imported (AU$85 grand vs. AU$60 grand for Naro) and it didn't go or turn like the cheaper local product, whether we're talking Falcon (Ford) or Monaro/Commodore.

IMHO, I couldn't see it working, the same way I can't GM selling Vettes or Cadys downunder. (Sunshine blower aimed fair up Holden's back passage) The local product is too good and cheap for the US models to have a chance with the price tags they'll have. Why pay over $100 large for a CTS-V (awesome machine) when we can wait a year or two, get a VE SS or SV8 built on essentially the same platform for less than half the price? Not flaming you Trishield, just my opinion constructed from years of Australian motoring rags.

Mick

Nobby
02-10-2004, 06:28 PM
I'll be so disappointed if this isnt released (at least in limited numbers) here.

fourstar82
02-10-2004, 11:17 PM
It all comes down to Ford Oz putting a business case together, deciding whether or not it is viable to bring the new stang here. Keeping in mind the sales flop the last stang was, it will come down to engineering costs, manufacturing costs, shipping costs, etc... it will be a fine line for Ford Oz to tread. The costs this end, need to be competitive with its rivals aka Monaro. At this stage I doubt that Ford Oz will be able to convince management in the US that it is economically viable to bring the Stang here. It will be a huge huge huge disaster if they make the same mistake by bringing the LHD 05 Stang here and converting it to RHD, as they did with the last Stang. Costs will sky rocket, so say goodbye to bang for your bucks!

Just on a personal note, the 05 Stang is a great looking car, I agree with Nick though, they can bugger off with the spoiler, looks like an after thought. Tough enough looking without it. Wheels are ok, but not that great, too shiney for my liking.

Andy :)

nikola
03-10-2004, 12:31 AM
If they can bring this car to Australia for a cheaper price than the Monaro then it will sell. But that's just not going to happen.

Btw, isn't it funny how they bag the old model Mustang for it's handling yet in previous test's it's handling was adequate? I guess now that the new car is out and it handles well, US magazines can safely come out and admit it; the old Mustang truly was a horrible handling car.

I just wonder what else is wrong with this model that they're not telling us. :rolleyes: ...yet.

TriShield
03-10-2004, 04:04 AM
If they specifically make a RHD model from factory in the US then export them the price *should* come way down and people may consider it.

I think so too.

The majority of the price was the conversion. You guys already get our Explorer and Escape built in right-hand drive from the get-go, if they were to do the same thing with the Mustang they could probably price it very comparably to the Monaro. The new Mustang's chassis is set up for right-hand drive as well, I bet Australia could digest a few thousand a year, as good a car as it is.

Ford can build us some left-hand drive Falcon XR6Ts and XR8s, and Australia some right-hand drive Mustangs. Maybe in a perfect world eh?

:cheers:

V-Car
03-10-2004, 10:42 AM
You guys already get our Explorer and Escape built in right-hand drive from the get-go

Out of curiosity, what do the Explorers sell for there?
Here they range from A$53k for an XLT 4.0 to A$64k for 4.6 Limited.
Import duty is slightly less for 4WD vehicles than cars, but Ford US can probably sell more RHD Explorers than RHD Mustangs, so economies of scale must come into it somewhat.
That may give you some indication of what a Mustang could sell for here if OEM RHD.
Also, the Escape is just a re-badged Mazda Tribute from Japan.
Yours may be built in the US, but ours come from the same factory as the Mazda's in Japan, and were originally designed RHD.

MyCat-cc
03-10-2004, 12:22 PM
They did a limited sales run of the last mustang here and it was a total disaster - ridiculously overpriced once landed and converted to RHD.
If they specifically make a RHD model from factory in the US then export them the price *should* come way down and people may consider it.

Yup, thats Ford AUS all over - they always manage to shoot themselves in the foot. I would swap my 'dore in a heart beat for a new stang. It would compliment my '69 fastback nicely :D

MyCat-cc
03-10-2004, 12:26 PM
I think so too.

Ford can build us some left-hand drive Falcon XR6Ts and XR8s, and Australia some right-hand drive Mustangs. Maybe in a perfect world eh?



Hmm, sounds like a lost FTA oportunity to me. some of our falcons for some of your mustangs...I'll drink to that ! :cheers:

tbearz
03-10-2004, 01:47 PM
Hmm, sounds like a lost FTA oportunity to me. some of our falcons for some of your mustangs...I'll drink to that ! :cheers:

for a moment there i thought i was on ff :confused: how about 'dores for some corvettes :cool: