Things we would like to see in the VE [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

ssberlina

21-10-2004, 10:00 AM

Guys, I thought I would start a single thread to list items that we would like to see in the VE sort of a wish list so to speak.

Here are some of my items. Sorry if they have been raised in other threads.

Split rear seats on the sedan. - It is embarrassing when I had to use a Honda Civic sedan instad of my berlina sedan to move big items. (The 1999 honda has a 2/3, 1/3 split on the read seat even on the sedan) The little pass through is next to useless.

Get rid of the deep boot hinges. This is nothing but a complete pain in the ass when you are carrying golf clubs of suit cases amogst other things.

Storage and useable cup holders. The storage area on the sedan are limited witht he new dash mounted pocket next to useless because it is too shallow. The cup holders on the dash (Calais, monaro etc) are a cute gimic to impress people but to use them they are crap. They feel so flimsy with a drink in them that I dont risk putting a drink in them especially as it is over the stereo, and sat nav on my monaro. I would hate to have coke etc through them.

Sat Nav The sat nav is a great item to have however where the screen is located inthe VT/VY is crap. You have to take you eyes off the road and the screen is impeded but the manual gear stick in third and sixth.

Clutch and Auto Strength - This is a pet hate of mine especially at the moment when I am fighting with a dealership to fix my clutch after only 17,000 km. Why do you design a car with such power potential as the LS1 with such a weak clutch/auto system. I mean given that a strong clutch is not that much dearer. Surely the bean counter can see the cost saving over installing a stronger system up front rather than have to replace so many in warranty. All I can hope is that the LS2 clutch and the future autos are much much stronger.

Interior Colours - Who picks this?. Some of the material colours I have seen on the SS in particular make you want to puke. Is this a secret way of forcing people into getting leather. As for the new stitching on the VZ Calais leather I think that is dreadful as well. if I wanted something that looked like that I would go out and by a 1950's couch.

Oh well that is enough from me at the moment. I hope you havent taken any of this personally I wasnt meant to be that way but just a observation of one of your present and future customers.

Good to see the Holden guys on here in an official capacity.

hsvLS1255

21-10-2004, 10:32 PM

Roddy

22-10-2004, 09:33 AM

Decent brakes on sports models. The 'Vette calipers and bigger rotors for VZ Munro is a step in the right direction.

Azza

22-10-2004, 11:38 AM

One other thing I thought of is a special area for the street directory a pocket/slot of some description that allows the drive quick access to it with out reaching across to the glove box, the glove box has got smaller over the years and having the air bag for ther passenger hasn't helped (not thats a bad thing for a second, safety first all the way!) but the fact of the matter is street directorys are getting bigger and if you have some items to store in the glove box aswell as the directory, there just no room in there and then it won't close. The door pockets are no good if you have a UBD or a SidWay or MelWay or what ever Way you have, and if you have one of those 4 in 1 Gregory's maps that just too thick to fit.
This may be all in vain as GPS and navigators are taking off in sales the humble map may be a thing of the past in decade or two. ;)

Holden

22-10-2004, 01:23 PM

This feedback is excellent - please excuse us if we don't start talking about details on VE just yet.

Drizt

22-10-2004, 01:40 PM

This is more of a request of things to keep.

KEEP a similar arm rest design. I find the holden door trim designs to be exceptionally comfortable... I work at Venture with make the door trims for the falcon, Territory (such a bitch to make) and the monaro. I find the arm rest to mould to my arm...

hehe sorry it sounds rediculous after typing it.... i just find some door arm rests like the BA's to be extremely uncomfortable.

Keep the remote as part of the key. Don't have an extra crappy remote that dangles from they key change

ShanghaiVZ

22-10-2004, 01:48 PM

Rod

22-10-2004, 02:02 PM

Split rear seats on the sedan. - It is embarrassing when I had to use a Honda Civic sedan instad of my berlina sedan to move big items. (The 1999 honda has a 2/3, 1/3 split on the read seat even on the sedan) The little pass through is next to useless.

I got no problem with the split rear arrangement as long as it still has the nifty fold down centre table and armrest combination...a boon on long trips with two kids in the back seat, keeps them seperated ( :box: )as well as somewhere to put their stuff.

seldo

22-10-2004, 03:38 PM

Congratulations for having the wisdom to get some real feedback from the coal-face.
A few things that bug me about my present VY HSV.
1. Split-fold back seat.
2. Very mediocre headlights - we need HID lights especially considering the distances we travel. Must have!
3. Auto windows down should also have auto-up as well - I know, safety..but the Japs manage
4. Non-intrusive boot-hinges - they are a pain in the butt
5. Hatch-back would be fantastic - I always use my wife's Mazda 626 whenever we need to carry anything
6. Boot release more easily accessible by the driver - not in the glove-box.
7. Multitude of a/c switches and audio controls grouped together are confusing and dangerous as they require too much time eyes off the road, especially since they are not stuff that you need frequently so familiarity comes very slowly.

I suppose it is a good sign that this may seem trivial as there is not much i don't like about my Senator.
Thanks for your interest. :)

PJK

22-10-2004, 03:42 PM

I think Holden needs to include a wagon with sports focus like the VY SS wagon, as part of the normal model lineup, not just a special edition. Maybe an SV6 and SS wagon. The current non-AWD options available (Exec, Acclaim, Berlina) for family trucksters is pretty boring.

Cheers :)

john0

22-10-2004, 06:04 PM

Good call on the folding rear seats! Thats a definite "must have".

When i sold my Vauxhall Omega in the UK (which had a 60/40 split) and then jumped into my new SS i spent ages trying to figure out where the latch was to fold the rear seats. I couldn't believe that in this day and age manufacturers build cars without that practical function??!!

Whats the story behind that then? Was it a structural thing or just not deemed necessary? I'd be interested to hear Holdens comments on that.

Thanks

jneil

22-10-2004, 08:05 PM

OK, here is my two cents worth!

Must Have's:
Split Fold Rear Seat

Bigger Glove Box - my VYII SS's is pathetically small!

Boot release switch relocation

Remove boot hinges

Auto Window Up for Front Windows

More functional pockets in the back of the seats - they don't stretch at all and that mesh is a stupid idea, the corners of Melways and maps get caught all the time and bend.

Louder Exhaust Note for SV8/SS models (or at least an option) - it's a bloody V8 afterall, we want to hear it, those that don't want the noise wouldn't be buying a V8 anyway!

An Option to turn off that bloody seatbelt beeper - some people have large properties and when they have to drive a few hundred meters, open a gate drive through, close gate, drive to next gate etc. Putting the seatbelt on/off/on/off/on gets annoying REAL quick!

These would be nice too:
Factory Brake Upgrade Option - I don't mean pay the dealer and get no rebate for never used brakes either.

Climate WITHOUT the Leather Option - I don't want Leather, but Climate would have been nice

Jeff.

mmciau

22-10-2004, 08:41 PM

I posted this comment the other day re the Cruise Control on the VY1 Acclaim.

Please give enough "free play" to allow for heat expansion of the plastic control knob that sets and res/accelerates!

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=30808

Cruise Control Actuation- Jamming/Freezing

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Got into the company's VY I Acclaim here in Adelaide this morning. The car had ben parked in the sun for about 2 hours so the interior temperature would have been 40+.

Got driving and activated Cruise Control - set at 60Km/Hr.

After a stop at the lights, I accelerated to 40+ and moved the control to Res/Accel and it stuck. It did not return under it's own to "centre"

So please be aware that if the control gets real warm in the sunlight then the plastic control might stick.

Mike
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brh26

23-10-2004, 12:06 AM

Welcome aboard, I think this is a great idea.
I hope this is a medium that will work for our mutual benefit.
I have a couple of items to add to the list of features I would like to see;
Cruise control on the steering wheel rather than a stalk.
MP3 capability in the CD player, it is 2004 after all.
A standard choice of paint colours (more than 3) across the majority of the vehicle range, including the SV8. I admit I was very tempted to purchase that other brand based on the lack of colour choice. :hide:
Some redundancy incorporated in the wiring harness to assist adding accessories in addition to a mobile phone would be handy (driving lights etc).
BTW the mobile phone connection is great.
An accessory power outlet in the boot.
Access to the instrument cluster options without the need to use a Tech2.
Ability to read DTC's without a Tech2... Jeep has been doing it since 1995.
Instaneous fuel consumption readout should be a standard feature.
Oil and oil filter change should be standard at 1500km service.
I like the overhead lighting and sunglasses holder in the VY II. Just include door or footwell lighting as well.
The seating and visibility is very good.
A true free-flowing exhaust on V8's i.e. without crimps around chassis sub-fram components.
How about being able to use the dashboard Binnacle space for something other than two dial gauges?
The electric adjustable seating in the Adventra is excellent.
Five wheels and tyres of the same design and pattern. I like the spare to be included in the rotation sequence.
A hard fix solution for the scrubbing out of the inside edge of both rear tyres.

I agree with the previous posts..... boot hinge arrangement needs redesigning.
Boot activation button within reach of the driver without having to fumble with the key remote.
That's my 2 cents worth

:cheers:

LSX-438

23-10-2004, 08:51 AM

mp3 head unit please

if you're feeling adventurous, an option for a hard disk based HU with WIFI to facilitate home LAN music transfer.

ROGUE

23-10-2004, 10:34 AM

How about installing small subs in ALL "S" and "SS" models? Not as an option, but as standard? A nice 'cannon' type sub box behind the drivers seat would be optimal.

And ditch the green background on the display screens. Blue is much easier on the eyes.

Smaller diameter steering wheels?

And how about integrating an iPod dock/interface in the range as well....?

Quark

23-10-2004, 01:32 PM

Good to see Holden finally listening to customers :-)

Things I'd like to see on the VE:

1. Quality paint! Even the Koreans are doing better paint nowadays. Move away from ultra thin paint that is also very susceptible to stone chips.

2. Door skins that are actually flat - in the VT - VZ, "good" ones only have ripples around the door handle - bad ones look like they're full of bog.

3. Quality leather - the current stuff is hard, thin and brittle and a rip-off for the price.

4. Factory brake upgrade option, as already mentioned - standard stuff is scary.

5. Front seats that don't "rock" after a bit of use.

6. Factory option of metallised glass - after market tints are problematic.

7. Ability to option a Calais/Berlina as a "stealth" alternative to an SS - some of us don't want the hassle from insurers and the boys in blue that an SS or HSV brings.

8. Boot hinges - as already mentioned, current design is too intrusive.

9. Power steering that doesn't boil if you drive hard - this is a real safety issue.

10. Body rigidity - no glued in firewalls - if there is still a need for strut brace, can we have one that doesn't look like it's wearing a cardigan.

11. Suspension settings that don't have excessive understeer followed by a clumsy transition to roll oversteer.

12. Front subframe bolts that don't require tightening at least every 10,000 Km.

13. A steering rack that doesn't leak fluid.

14. Headlights that are more resistant to stone chips and which don't accumulate haze from the plastic/sealant.

EHLS1

23-10-2004, 05:26 PM

Welcome to the forum

Items I would like to see.
1/ The key to have fold away capability this is on the new astra and will save many holes in pockets.

2/ Seat trim design that don't look like they came from window screen savers

3/ Don't penny pinch and put in a spare the same as the road wheels. I don't think we would worry if it was steel but same size please.

4/ Put interior light through the sun sensor I dont need a lamp on in daylight
but like it to illuminate at night when approaching the car.

5/ Alloy wheels on all models with the price of hub caps and rims together the price differance would be minimal.

6/ fold down cup holders in rear I hate sitting in back nursing a drink or folding down the centre arm rest which increases cabin noise and the holders are too shallow.

7/ Give lower models more instrument functions I like to know how much litres to 100ks im am using rather than a stop watch which is difficult to work.
When using trip and I reset I lose every function back to zero.

speedyocca

23-10-2004, 09:39 PM

mp3 head unit please

if you're feeling adventurous, an option for a hard disk based HU with WIFI to facilitate home LAN music transfer.
If you can't get WIFi what about Expanding the Current Bluethooth option for mobile phone handsfree and allow other mutlimedia Devices (PDA,IPods etc)

An AUX input into the the sound system to allow devices such as ipods,mp3 players to play via with out losing audio qualty

The cargo net in the models live the statesman to be standard on all models(very hand stop things flying around the boot)

Veriable interemnt wipers standard on ALL models

and fix the bloody boot hinges

mavss

23-10-2004, 10:13 PM

Firstly, welcome to the forums. It's refreshing to see an official Holden presence here.

Previously mentioned ideas I agree with :

the introduction of a HUD for the upper speced models - maybe we can employ the one currently in the vette
the obtrusive boot hinges
brakes which aren't up to the job - if I buy the sporty version of the Commodore (SV8/SS), I expect it to have premium brakes (as well as a kick-ass exhaust which doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner :)

A couple of my own ideas :

For cars where the fuel tank sites behind the rear seat (Monaro, Commodore ??), it would be a no brainer to place the fuel filler on both sides of the car. How frustrating is it to roll up to a busy servo and have to wait in line for the bowser which is on the right hand side of the car
How about relocating the ignition so that you don't have to crane your neck to find the hole? It's hard to do that and look cool at the same time :(

frankdenial

23-10-2004, 10:45 PM

My suggestions only and not all are for my intended use but would suit a broad base of people and I am not saying they are any good but here we go -
Sun glasses holder on all models for 2 pair. Different colour back lighting with maybe the ability to select different colours ie switchable from green to blue. Adjustable brake pedal postioning - for left foot braking. A positional dash ie, currently I can adjust steering wheel height/rake, seat height etc but when set in a comfortable position I can not see the speedo from 80 to 130 km/h (HSV VX SENATOR). Rear seats-front of seat lifts up to transform into child booster seat (like on Volvo). Rear sunshades like on Renault - pull up from doors and rear windscreen. If sequential shift transmission is to be fitted (central as opposed to steering wheel paddles) make sure to go up gears ie 1-2-3-4 pull back on stick to go down gears push forward toward dash and as oppossed to Ford have sequential shift selection on driver side. Low parking sensors on front of models that have low ground clearance - to avoid damage when parking near gutters and those concrete parking blocks that are become all too common place that sit up higher than standard gutter height. Service history stored in computer that can be brought up as a display on the dash.

Goggles

23-10-2004, 10:56 PM

I would like to see the following in the VE:
1. More colour choices on the SV8 and SS - some of the colours on the Calais etc would look good with the "SS" type of bodykit
2. More transmission choices on all models (ie manual Calais) - the VYII/VZ Calais are great looking cars, but they are spoiled by the fact that there is no manual option. Same applies to the Caprice.
3. Driving lights on the SS etc, not foggies
4. cupholders for rear seat passengers (particularly kids!) that don't require the centre part of the rear seat to be lowered.
5. the option (say in the trip computer settings) to permanently turn off the traction control
6. better quality speakers

jneil

23-10-2004, 10:56 PM

Forgot to mention the radio/CD!

My Pioneer Head Unit had awesome radio tuning ability (and never did that shh.shh.sh...shhhh thing while in certain parts of city), the Eurovox (in the VXIISS) was fairly good, but the VYIISS's is really bad. I am talking about the reception in Melbourne City here. It is OK most of the time, but it has that static-y sound far too often.

AND the CD player's ability to play burnt CD's. I have many double CD's and I will combine only the songs I want onto a single burnt CD for the car. My CD media works in ANY other players (home/car & portable), but the Blaupunkt in the SS skips, pops and crackles about 10% of the time.

MP3 playback would be nice also.

Also those subs that someone mentioned...how about offering two 6x9 Sub's with an AMP as an option...that'd be quite nice and wouldn't need extra space.

Jeff.

YIIR8

24-10-2004, 04:50 AM

All I ask is that the water does not constantly drip into the car when in light drizzle or when the wipers are activated, all that water comes straight into the car which is very annoying!! :mad: is that too much to ask ??
(I prefer to drive with windows down 99% of the time, unless in pouring rain of course)

Oh yeah....the boot hinges and boot release as well.....come to think of it.....better designed side mirrors that don't drip everywhere after I've washed the car !!! the neighbours started looking at me like I was loopy every time I use the missus hair dryer to blow the water out of em.

PS: the drippy boot is annoying as well.....

dean

24-10-2004, 11:19 AM

One thing that would be nice with the Audio system is MP3/WMA capability.

The Dovel King

24-10-2004, 07:04 PM

I've got a Ford BA at the moment until my VX SS is back from repairs.

The thing about the BA that ticks me right off is "How do you fit an aftermarket radio?"
In the VX it's a simple matter to fit whatever you like into a standard double DIN hole. I simply will not buy a car that has a radio that can't be replaced because it's too tied in with the rest of the cars electronics.
The VY comes close with the readout on the dash ... but at least the radio can be replaced, nothing crucial stops working if you do.

The main reason for this is that I will always want to fit a top-shelf stereo. It's the 1st mod I make. 2nd is a two way commercial radio. I don't want it sitting in the glove box or passenger footwell, I want the car to look neat. I don't want it to have 2 radios to confuse passengers. The only way is double-din....with lots of space behind :)

Please, make the dash as 'stylish' as you like, but keep the option for the owners to do with it what they like.

Holden

25-10-2004, 07:58 AM

After seeing the concept Torana at the SMS, I for one will seriously consider it, if/when it does become a reality, Yes the VE will virtually be all new model from ground up (not entirely all new), but say good bye Vectra hello Torana, alot of buyers will consider it over a commodore, smaller, cheaper and a nice donk to go with it, hopefully TT, and Holden will sure as hell increase their sales, I must say you had done an exceptional job on the Torana. Can I have one in Odessey with matching leather thanks! :D May I ask what was the public's response to the Torana? Is their a substantial "go ahead" in the near future?

BlueVU, thanks for the feedback! On the whole the public reaction has been very enthusiastic with the majority of people saying they love the car. Obviously there have been a very small minority who dislike certain aspects, but to be honest I think that if you find that everyone you speak to likes the car, then you probably haven't pushed the design far enough.

The primary purpose of a showcar is to test public reaction - what they will accept and sometimes more importantly, what they won't. I think Torana has been very successful in creating a buzz about the promising future of Holden and it shows that Holden isn't afraid to push the boundaries. I for one am proud to be a part of that.

Ewan Kingsbury
Holden Design

VooDoo

25-10-2004, 10:00 AM

Decent brakes on sports models. The 'Vette calipers and bigger rotors for VZ Munro is a step in the right direction.

Add these bigger brakes to the Statesman/Caprice range. You cant expect a bigger car to stop with the same brakes as a SV8.

Id also like to see better integration with Mobile Phones and the stereo's. The feedback via the phone/speakers on these cars is shocking and nobody can fix it other than using seperate speakers and not using the Factory fitted ones.

SSbaby

25-10-2004, 12:08 PM

BlueVU, thanks for the feedback! On the whole the public reaction has been very enthusiastic with the majority of people saying they love the car. Obviously there have been a very small minority who dislike certain aspects, but to be honest I think that if you find that everyone you speak to likes the car, then you probably haven't pushed the design far enough.

The primary purpose of a showcar is to test public reaction - what they will accept and sometimes more importantly, what they won't. I think Torana has been very successful in creating a buzz about the promising future of Holden and it shows that Holden isn't afraid to push the boundaries. I for one am proud to be a part of that.

Ewan Kingsbury
Holden Design

Ewen,

It's amazing to find that Torana got a similar enthusiastic response from people (of certain forums) over in North America. They immediately changed the face of the car and converted it to a Pontiac/Chev with their photoshop tools. That must be encouraging considering that Monaro got a relatively rough reception - and without the ghastly bonnet scoops!
:cheers:

rocks-crewman

25-10-2004, 03:14 PM

When the lease runs out on my VY Crewman SS, I can see no reason why I will not replace it with the VE Crewman SS (hopefull sporting an LS2/6 speed auto). I agree with pretty much all of the previous suggestions - here are a few I have thought of over the last 24000 kilometres. I have not had a look at the VZ Crewman as yet, so if the VZ has addressed these problems I stand corrected already.
Headlights; High beam -excellent, low beam - as bad as the ones on had on my FC Holden in 1985. Please improve. High beam too bright for suburbia, low beam too short of reach for suburbia.
Rear seat; much has been said of the rear bench since its release. I personally have found that the legroom is ok, the design of the rear bench needs a bit of work to make it a tad more comfy.
Rear tray; SS should come with at least a rubber tray liner.
Exhaust system; the standard 2.25" single system made my V8 SS sound like someone spitting through a straw. Would like my V8 to sound more horny than a Hyundai Accent. Had no trouble finding a reasonably priced aftermarket cat-back system that could safely navigate the diff. Crewman SS should have same power/torque figure as regular SS.
Fuel Gauge; been driving Holdens for nearly 20 years, can't believe that the fuel gauge in previously mentioned 1958 FC Holden was more accurate and reliable.....
Fuel cap; C'mon guys, its 2004. Lockable fuel cap at least if the lockable fuel flap is too hard to engineer.
Service intervals; if the V6 can have it's service intervals stretched out to 15000km by increasing sump capacity, why not the same for the V8. A bigger sump by 1-1.5 litres perhaps? Helpfull to those of us on a lease and the performance crowd as well.
Fuel tank capacity; could the VE have a least 80 usable litres capacity? Please?! Plenty of room under there for a sub-tank perhaps.
Love my Crewman. Great to drive, goes anywhere and everywhere. No probs so far (except for the accursed fuel gauge/cap). Let the VE kick butt!

Ron

25-10-2004, 06:13 PM

Hi Ewan,

Great to see that Holden are taking an interest in what the enthusiasts think.
About the fuel cap , how about a magnet on the inside of the fuel flap and have a metal strip on the fuel cap , so that you have somewhere to put the cap when refuelling , saves forgetting cap on bowser or heaven forbid placing the cap on the duco. Seen this idea on Jaguars

:cheers:

Ron.

jneil

25-10-2004, 08:03 PM

Thunder

25-10-2004, 10:11 PM

OK, here is my two cents worth!

Must Have's:

Louder Exhaust Note for SV8/SS models (or at least an option) - it's a bloody V8 afterall, we want to hear it, those that don't want the noise wouldn't be buying a V8 anyway!

Unfortunately, the exhaust systems will be going backwards.

Signature exhaust laws come in for all new models released next year. If the stock standard car is 72db standard, it can only increase by 5db to 77db, even though the noise limit is 90db.

Sux hey! :mad:

XXSSXX

26-10-2004, 09:54 AM

Some May Have Been Already Covered But....

Diff - Optional Ratios
Brakes - Upgrade Option
Rear Bumper - A Full Rear Bumper, At Least For The Ss. We've Had A Similar Rear Bumper Setup Since The Vg!!
Speakers - Real Ones
Sat Nav - Option. Pref Where The Pod Gauges Go Not Hidden Behind The Gearstick!
Rear Park Sensors
Lock Nuts - Standard!
Colors - More Options Please
Fuel Filler - Lockable!!

CarlFST60L

26-10-2004, 10:20 AM

Some great points all! Sorry for covering some again!
Thanks to holden for spending the time to read and analysis!

1. The rear vision mirrors hold water, so when i spend 2 hours washing and detailing my car, when i hit 80Km/h + water goes all down the side of my car and i have to chamois again!!! :mad: Simple fix, just angle the bottom down so the water runs out ;) Send me the CAD files i will fix for free :cool:

2. The boot hinges, current design of boot is great, but the hinges, :bash:

3. The brakes on SS/SV8, even maybe SV6, are not effective enough for such a big car with so much power... Try this test, get a stock SS with standard brakes, do 110km/h, brake as hard as possible (no down shift on gears), as quick as you can (<6seconds), go back to 110 and brake again, do this three times and compare measured brake distance, then try doing this with slotted brakes, massive improvement, remember every meter counts, it could be the meter that saves someone’s life!! (Doing this from 200Km/h is much more of a problem!). First thing i did was chuck those stock brakes in the bin!

4. The clutch and pressure plate assembly needs to be worked on, i have already had mine done and need another one with <40,000Km on the clock... If you check you records, i think you will see that Holden spend allot on LS1 M6 clutch and pressure plate, if you drive them hard, they don’t last, if you drive them like a big girl, they will last.

5. I understand that the spare tyre down grade was required to keep cost down, as an R&D engineer manager, i would have done the same thing. Lucky for me a got series 1 :D

6. I think Holden service should be told to back off on the mod's department, Holdens biggest customers, us, the people, want a full exhaust, extractors, 3.91 diff ratio, let us have more freedom with warranty and you will sell more cars! Some service departments are ok, others just seem to make up their own guide lines or procedures to work from, why don’t Holden make them, just keep them VERY relaxed! More of us will have more fun, creating a good atmosphere for growth and popularity, especially around here (ls1.com).

7. Diff bounce, Launching the car off the line on a road with the slightest bump(s) is difficult! its quite embarrassing!

8. Better handling, at the point where the cars weight is transferred into a corner, the SS/SV8 moves around to much, its unsettling...

9. The head lights are far to easily Chipped. Just after i got my car i drove behind a car threw heavy dust for a couply of hundred meters, and they were seriously chipped!

10. The quality of the paint could be improved, it scratches FAR to easily, even when washing the car its gets fine scratches!!

11. The quality of the Audio is pretty poor, in stop go traffic, i constantly have to inch forward so i can get clear reception.

Overall, I love my holden, great 'bang for ya buck!' :D

Ron

26-10-2004, 10:26 AM

Why not use the Fuel Cap Holder that is already on the Fuel Filler Flap?? It works just fine to hold the cap.

Jeff.

I didn`t know that there was that facility on the later models

:doh:

Ron.

SSbaby

26-10-2004, 10:44 AM

Unfortunately, the exhaust systems will be going backwards.

Signature exhaust laws come in for all new models released next year. If the stock standard car is 72db standard, it can only increase by 5db to 77db, even though the noise limit is 90db.

Sux hey! :mad:

Well, hten it's up to Holden to make sure the stock exhaust has 85dB. :lol:

Rod

26-10-2004, 11:55 AM

Why not use the Fuel Cap Holder that is already on the Fuel Filler Flap?? It works just fine to hold the cap.

Jeff.

a good idea in concept but the execution of it was a bit lacking. Call me hamfisted, but after using this holder for a while I found the hinge point was developing a stress fracture as the flap flexed when I put the cap on and off. consequently I now have to be super careful the flap doesnt come off altogether...hang on i got a new digital camera ..I'll take a pic and show yas :D
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/rodana/jpgs/FUELCAP.JPG

the white residue all round is from the various glues I have tried.

so for this thread how bout a stronger fuel cap flap for VE.

ssberlina

26-10-2004, 12:50 PM

I didn`t know that there was that facility on the later models

:doh:

Ron.

There is on the VY SS but not on my series 3 monaro !!!!!

fekason

26-10-2004, 02:39 PM

I would like to add my two cents worth for transmission choices on more models.

I know most orders are for autos, but there are those of us who will have nothing other than a manual. Some of those have little interest in body kits and spoilers, but do like the odd bit of luxury.

I was saddened when I found out that the VZ had dropped the manual transmission on all but the "sporty" models. :( Luckily I found out in time, and bought one of the last VY II manuals, :) but where next?

If there had been an Acclaim, Berlina or Calais manual option, I would have headed down that path.

Holden builds drivers cars, and promotes that fact. Some drivers like manuals. How about it Holden? We might be a minority, but please don't forget us.

I think that this thread is a good concept. :D

Black VU SS ute

26-10-2004, 03:51 PM

maybe look into fixing the camber angle on the rear suspension (maybe a proper multi link rear end)as most people don't like buying new tire due to the inside edge has wore out quicker than the outside, it would help with traction in the wet as well.
My Datto 180b had the same problem as this and that was back in 1975.
Other than that I have no dramas with the commodore.

FireyVT

26-10-2004, 07:32 PM

Side Airbags for rear passengers
Alloytec 190 & A5 std across the range
A TTV6 with around 220kw,this could work if it is tuned for drivability rather than outright power.

hsv423

26-10-2004, 08:12 PM

**MOD EDIT - NO POWERTRAIN Q's**

I also ask is that you dont have the 'Man Pink' :limpy: colour in the VE range that you had with the Torana. Bring back the HotHouse Green, i loved that. But i do think the 'Push Start' button is a good idea, even though you got it off the Ford GT.

'Im only 15, leave me alone!' :hide:

SCiFiRE

26-10-2004, 08:24 PM

something NOT to put on VE :
Those soft-touch indicators on current model vectras. horribly annoying things. ever accidently indicated the wrong way or when you didnt want to? well you have to let it keep indicating! and if you try and cancel (by pushing the stalk in the opposite direction, which has been the way for years) it starts indicating that way!

i know its obviously something people will get used to...but i found it very annoying

kaiser

27-10-2004, 12:15 AM

twin pipes like the vz monaro on the ss.

BAGZ

27-10-2004, 05:18 AM

Since 1995, I've owned a VS SS, VS Clubbie, VXII SS, VXII R8 and VY SS Wagon all with FE2 that consistently launches and crashes you from one bump to the next. I know the suspension really comes into itself upwards of 100 k's but the risk from the heat is not worth it.

How good would it be to have German handling without the banging :bounce:

Holden

27-10-2004, 09:26 AM

CarlFST60L

27-10-2004, 10:03 AM

Would love the SV8/SS to run 265's as standard tyre width, that should bring those 0-100 and the track times down :D

Exhaust should come out both sides (at the rear), always makes a car look mean, i believe the fuel tank would beed to be moved/redesigned, but worth it!

What about adding OTRCAI from the factory! i believe OTRCAI would be cheaper as OEM as there is less plastic!

**MOD EDIT NO POWERTRAIN**

I cant fit many CD's in my glove box, its just to narrow, the street directory lives behind the passenger seat...

Would love to know what, if any, of this is making on a 'things to look into' list!? Can you post a list of idea's being considered?

Holden

27-10-2004, 11:01 AM

Bitza

27-10-2004, 11:47 AM

My 1 request for the VE is for it to have HEADROOM.
Even with my seat set low in my VT, Headroom I don't have.

ssberlina

27-10-2004, 12:00 PM

VXEXEC350

27-10-2004, 12:52 PM

Thanks to Holden for entering into these forums.

I dont know if it has been adressed yet (I have a VX) but I hate the fact that Holden have started putting the interior light switch on the roof. Put it back on the light switch like it is supposed to be,

I agree about the boot hinges and the stereo's speakers.

**MOD EDIT-NO POWERTRAIN Q's PLEASE!**

Pete

Rt!

27-10-2004, 04:43 PM

more visibility to the top left corner of the windscreen, esp for taller people

seats to move lower.
seats to move back a tad further

mate and I went to the motor show and the only car he fit into (almost)comfortably was the VZ monaro. he is saving up for one now :p

fekason

28-10-2004, 09:56 AM

**MOD EDIT NO POWERTRAIN Q's REFER TO THE FAQ!**

I also note that Quark raised the issue of stealth performance vehicles. Not everyone likes body kits and spoilers, which have no practical purpose on the road except to add to weight and cost.

As I advised, I will not buy a slush box or a body-kitted car. I still have kids and a need for a bigger car. That would appear to only leave the opposition for future purchases.

**MOD EDIT NO POWERTRAIN Q's REFER TO THE FAQ!**

Have a good day.

Kurt_VYSSUte

28-10-2004, 02:39 PM

I would like to see some decent system for the intermittent wiper system. I don't like the speed dependant wiper system and get tired of flicking the switch in misty rain, is it possible to have a system like most other cars that has 1,2 & 3 speed setting for the intermittents or even a rolling switch that adjusts wiper speed?

The ute really could have a better hinge system on the tail gate and I agree that the SS should come standard with something to "finish off" the rear end. Also a little bit more "useable" space behind the seats in the ute would be nice.

Also please cut down on your model cycles, my car is only 15 months old and I am already 2 models behind, depreciation is annoying a lot of people IMO.

Thanks for listening to my feedback.

mavss

28-10-2004, 09:04 PM

Things we would like to see in the VE
An AWD GenIV powered SS will do me nicely thank-you-very-much :D

SSbaby

29-10-2004, 10:12 AM

Roger

30-10-2004, 02:33 PM

SSbaby

30-10-2004, 09:21 PM

I would like to see a fixed aerial in the back window - similar to the one used in the Toyota Camry. I recently drove a Camry to the bush and noticed it had a superior radio reception to my VX SS, which has a power aerial. It's discreet and doesn't require any driver input - can't get more simple than that. :)

I would also prefer to see the washer spray jets be relocated from the bonnet to somewhere closer to the wipers.

I prefer a simple, clean, and uncluttered look when it comes to styling and I regard my VX SS as an outstanding design in this regard. Im of the opinion that side strips and plastic mouldings could also be avoided as they tend to look rather tacky. When the VY was first introduced I wasn't a huge fan ... I thought some elements of the styling were similar to the AU Falcon (in tackiness) whereas the BA Falcon styling went the other way (towards the clean look of the VX), I regard the TT36 as an outstanding and clean design. I hope VE is also a clean design. Hope this makes sense.
:cheers:

Black VU SS ute

31-10-2004, 07:05 PM

I would also prefer to see the washer spray jets be relocated from the bonnet to somewhere closer to the wipers.

maybe holden could look at incorporating the washer with the wiper blade arm so the water goes where the blades go.

Smitty

31-10-2004, 09:54 PM

Ditch the road speed sensitive intermittent wipers - quite useless in my opinion. Sweep interval has nothing to do with road speed, all to do with how heavy the rain is falling. Basically its gone backwards from being adjustable by the driver (in earlier models) to non adjustable - with the road speed dictating the sweep interval.
agree...
even the wife's VR berlina is better in this regard

I would like to see a fixed aerial in the back window - similar to the one used in the Toyota Camry. I recently drove a Camry to the bush and noticed it had a superior radio reception to my VX SS, which has a power aerial. It's discreet and doesn't require any driver input - can't get more simple than that.
agree..and its saves busting off antennas driving under trees or in carparks... *doh* lost count of the number of 'em i have replaced on the VX

I dont know if it has been adressed yet (I have a VX) but I hate the fact that Holden have started putting the interior light switch on the roof. Put it back on the light switch like it is supposed to be
agree..this is a pet HATE of mine.... in the dark, scrabbling round on the roof lining with ya left hand looking for the bloody light switch!!!!

I cant fit many CD's in my glove box, its just to narrow, the street directory lives behind the passenger seat...
agree...
we get fancy cup holders but no where to out a decent collection of CDs...4 in the console...woopee
a couple in the glovebox..and thats it
and the door bins are a waste of space....
sorry no...they are good for garbage but NOT for putting a street directory in...because of the angle, the directory falls out!

One question that the Holden boys could answer for me is why does the commodore range always had the electric window controls on the centre console whereas most other makes and models have them on the door. They may be a good reasons but it has always intrigued me.

please leave 'em in the console
don't do what F*#d has done and stuck 'em on the drivers door ...too hard to find

boot hinges?...already lotsa points on them....
and .....
roof height
can i please have the person who designed the drivers door opening, get in and out of the drivers seat 40 times a day ..banging his head on the top of the opening EVERYTIME....
the slope of the roof and screen are shockers
and to avoid this one sets the seat down as low as possble
and then you cant see the road...!
finally
the SEATS..the bloody front SEATS!
on my SS are shockers.. they are TOO wide
you slide all over the joint, they don't hold you in place
and I reckon they are designed for a 6', 250lb male
with a 60 inch chest
Holden made great seats up to VS...what happened??

sorry for the length

my 2c

cheers

Holden

03-11-2004, 08:12 AM

One question that the Holden boys could answer for me is why does the commodore range always had the electric window controls on the centre console whereas most other makes and models have them on the door. They may be a good reasons but it has always intrigued me.

I raise it because just the other day much to her amusement of the wife when when I went looking for the windows control in the centre in my wife's honda. She is alway happy to remind me they are on the driver's door.

SSBerlina - There are a number of good reasons! The window control is placed in the centre console because it makes the most sense there. Commodore is a family-oriented vehicle and the front seat passenger can adjust rear windows without reaching across the driver. Also, look at the form of the VY/VZ door interior and a window control would be out of place there, not to mention too far back for a normal person to activate without difficulty. As an aside, you will see that all Commodore window controls pull up to lower the window so children don't accidently catch limbs in a closing window.

Regards,

Andrew Smith
Holden Design Team

V82xist

03-11-2004, 08:42 AM

SSBerlina - There are a number of good reasons! The window control is placed in the centre console because it makes the most sense there. Commodore is a family-oriented vehicle and the front seat passenger can adjust rear windows without reaching across the driver. Also, look at the form of the VY/VZ door interior and a window control would be out of place there, not to mention too far back for a normal person to activate without difficulty. As an aside, you will see that all Commodore window controls pull up to lower the window so children don't accidently catch limbs in a closing window.

Regards,

Andrew Smith
Holden Design Team

Yep, I often let my wife control the windows especially for the rear windows for my daughters. The other reason I thought it was for was it's location does'nt have to change for right or left hand drive versions of the car.

This is a fantastic forum idea, thank you Holden and Sidewindr (& Mods) for organising and encouraging this :thumbsup:

seldo

03-11-2004, 09:46 AM

Power windows / roof that close automatically with the locking function on the key. :)

XXSSXX

03-11-2004, 10:46 AM

there are a lot of common ideas in these threads. Is it possible for a moderator to put some polls or similar for people to vote on rather then just comments?

Collated information would be more useful to Holden and easier to gauge public response. Just a thought.......................

**Mod Edit - Yes, it is possible.. BUT what if we get new idea's?**

ssberlina

03-11-2004, 01:53 PM

SSBerlina - There are a number of good reasons! The window control is placed in the centre console because it makes the most sense there. Commodore is a family-oriented vehicle and the front seat passenger can adjust rear windows without reaching across the driver. Also, look at the form of the VY/VZ door interior and a window control would be out of place there, not to mention too far back for a normal person to activate without difficulty. As an aside, you will see that all Commodore window controls pull up to lower the window so children don't accidently catch limbs in a closing window.

Regards,

Andrew Smith
Holden Design Team

Thats fine. Thanks for responding. I personally dont mind them in the middle but was wondering why the other manufacturers have a differing viewpoint.

COSMOS

04-11-2004, 07:35 AM

A single large (say 9 inch) high resolution colour screen reasonably high up in the centre console to control

audio
climate
sat nav
bcm

functions.

this would replace the multitude of screens in the VY/VZ range which in a Calais with satnav number 6. Have the controls located on the steerer and around the screen. As much as i like the current set up there are just too many screens and doing something simple takes a bit of my attention from the road.

speedyocca

04-11-2004, 07:26 PM

SSBerlina - There are a number of good reasons! The window control is placed in the centre console because it makes the most sense there. Commodore is a family-oriented vehicle and the front seat passenger can adjust rear windows without reaching across the driver. Also, look at the form of the VY/VZ door interior and a window control would be out of place there, not to mention too far back for a normal person to activate without difficulty. As an aside, you will see that all Commodore window controls pull up to lower the window so children don't accidently catch limbs in a closing window.

Regards,

Andrew Smith
Holden Design Team

i heard also it is easier to engineer as there is less chance of the buttens & connections getting wet (like they do when it's raining and the drives door opens) & because the cables don't twist and bend when the door open and closes

Thumper

06-11-2004, 08:26 PM

Right here's my VE wish list, I have wanted to say this for 20 years.
- a decent horn, every Holden SS I've owned, has had a pathetic horn.
- proper split rear seats, either one or the other side or pref. both.
- concealed car aerial in screen or rear window, ala Monaro 3
- front struts that don't collect stones in the spring seat.
- suspension dampers that are better than $10 items
- manual 6 speed gear shift levers that actually function as they should
- lose the intrusive boot hinges.
- an up to date audio system,
- car door restraints that function correctly, if you have the door open, it either tries to open more or close.
- how about built in mudflaps and car mats, subaru have had them for years. You shouldn't have to add anything to a car when you buy it.
- Climate control in every model, the only options should be how many, and what controls.

COOKIE!

06-11-2004, 11:27 PM

i know this may sound stupid but adjustable cup holders like in the ones in the mercs they are made from some sort of elastic stuff so you can put different sized drinks in them. You know what im talking about the 600ml cokes that fall out if you brake or exalerate with any force
cheers

anthony

Smitty

07-11-2004, 07:09 PM

Holden

08-11-2004, 08:27 AM

another one for our Holden design guys.....

why do you put lumps on the steering wheel at the 10 to 2 positions on the wheel? these lumps cause the rim of the steering wheel to be 'out of round' and more difficult to grab/hold

just curious

cheers

cheers

Thanks VXIISSM6er - the steering wheel shape on the sports-oriented vehicles is designed to accommodate the most common driving positions. If you grabbed some clay and squeezed it with your hand, it would form a similar shape - it wouldn't be tubular. Hope this makes sense ...

PepeLePew

08-11-2004, 08:48 AM

Hmm ok, I'll jump on this wagon!

Some repeats of the above...
- Adjustable dash/wheel. Im a shorter guy and I like the wheel sitting pretty low. Unfortunately this leaves the speedo obscured.
- Paint quality. Sorry guys, I had an old EL XR6 Falcon before this and it ate the SS for paint quality. And for people that love their pride and joy that annoys the hell out of us
- DELETE OPTIONS - be nice to be able to delete stuff if you so desire like the old days! Badgework is a simple example, saves ripping them off post delivery :) Wheels - I ALWAYS fit aftermarket wheels, why pay and trade?
- Easier mix/match interior/exterior. I know its an odd choice, but when I wanted my VX SS2 I wanted hyper leather and phantom mica. Its difficult to see it'd be a huge effort to fit. Instead, I had to head aftermarket for the leather post delivery.
- Steering wheel and perhaps gearknob options - Ford has them (well Ford has an option list from hell but thats another topic). Nice to be able to more personalise your purchase

Thanks for listening :)

Smitty

08-11-2004, 09:15 AM

Thanks VXIISSM6er - the steering wheel shape on the sports-oriented vehicles is designed to accommodate the most common driving positions. If you grabbed some clay and squeezed it with your hand, it would form a similar shape - it wouldn't be tubular. Hope this makes sense ...

yeah.... thanks for that, does make sense
but if I may
why only in two places on the wheel, rather than the entire rim of the wheel?
just curious

cheers

bsmac

08-11-2004, 10:05 AM

How about....

1. Power Antenna control ala early model Commodores;

2. Standard 6 speaker stereo with MP3/Burnt CD playback capability;

3.Fuel tank not on roadside of vehicle with cap holder;

4. Standard CAI;

5. Standard strut brace;

6. Decent exhaust note on all models;

7. Cheaper prices on Factory aftermarket accessories.

crYnOid

09-11-2004, 02:22 PM

There are 2 things that I think would be very nice options or even standard on high end models.

Firstly, an LCD/TFT cluster that can be programmed with different 'skins' so the driver can choose which one that they prefer. So for example it could be programmed so that along with the memory seats it also remembers which cluster you prefer i.e. sports cluster for him, easy to read simpler cluster for her. I'm talking about not just a few small screens but a full colour cluster. Then you can sell more option cluster designs and Holden/HSV can use the exact same cluster just with a different skin saving money. And a provision for allowing custom 'skins' to be added by the customer would be real nice to ;). Gotta spend money to make it :P

Secondly, HUD. Corvette has it, Holden/HSV sport models having it (option or standard whatever) would be nice. I know the hud system is a little bulky and might be a tigh squeeze in the dash but it would be nice.

Holden

10-11-2004, 08:41 AM

yeah.... thanks for that, does make sense but if I may
why only in two places on the wheel, rather than the entire rim of the wheel?
just curious

cheers

Simply because 10-2 and 9-3 are the major positions ... we're not encouraging a '5.30 - 6.30' grip ..

jneil

10-11-2004, 06:44 PM

How about....
3.Fuel tank not on roadside of vehicle with cap holder;

Can I ask what you mean by this??

Do you mean have it on the passenger side?? or the rear?? And where do you want to place the cap?? on the duco??

My 2c says it is fine where it is and where I can rest my cap.

Jeff.

mickeyVX350

15-11-2004, 11:40 AM

At this rate a std. VE ill be $120,000.

Be mindful that Base Holdens are a family car. If you want all of that stuff, Buy a Beamer at 8 times the price.

I only hate the boot hinges!

Thunder

15-11-2004, 05:30 PM

Holden

16-11-2004, 10:09 AM

How about a Crewman Panelvan

A V8 5 seater Shaggin/Campin Wagon.

Good for us Businesses as well. Plenty of room for signwriting, use it for a ute/wagon to carry things and lockable, and be able to take the wife & kids as well.

Not much good for 1/4 mile times, but practical & cool :cool:
Thunder - there is certainly a Holden By Design option for the two-door ute which creates a Sandman. We are aware of at least one manufacturer who has built a worthy Crewman canopy to create the wagon you describe.

muzza

18-11-2004, 08:11 PM

How about a neat folding key a la new Astra - might stop all those broken plastic loops on the current ones.

Thunder

18-11-2004, 10:19 PM

How about a neat folding key a la new Astra - might stop all those broken plastic loops on the current ones.

And a bigger hole in the top so it will fit on proper key rings.

Goggles

21-11-2004, 03:51 PM

a neutral position for the switch for the external rear vision mirrors. It is too easy to knock the adjuster, and move the mirrors at present.

AussieTone

21-11-2004, 04:34 PM

Thanks for taking the time to listen to our suggestions. I love my VY SS but would suggest that a few 'minor' changes would enhance it

Bootlid hinges (as already mentioned).

Somewhere to put the street directory rather than behind the front seats (as already mentioned they do not fit in the glove box or door pockets).

When you tick the leather option box how about supplying a leather centre console lid as well (even for an additional cost which would be minimal at time of manufacture).

Option of diff ratios when ordering a vehicle to be built.

Oh and how about a glove box lid that fits correctly.

The sad thing is that if none of these are done I will still probably buy a new SS in 12 months anyway. Guess I am hooked (or loyal maybe ;) )

mavss

21-11-2004, 09:19 PM

I manage to find all the sharp edges in the engine bay whenever I'm cleaning it.

I'd like to see these edges either smoothed out or protected from out of reach.

evil_ss

28-11-2004, 02:00 PM

one big gripe would have to be the interior leather chioces.I would like the choice to have any colour leather in any colour vehicle.

SSbaby

29-11-2004, 08:47 AM

Grab handles above the REAR window that don't obstruct the driver's right rear vision (i.e. create a blind spot) if hanging up a suit jacket on that grab handle. The grab handles on a Camry are placed further back which means that the jacket is virtually in line with the C-pillar when the driver looks over his/her right shoulder. Very effective.

Thunder

29-11-2004, 09:29 PM

Don't put the V8 badges on the door like the VZ, it looks wrong. It should be under the fake side vents on the guards.

SSFreak

30-11-2004, 12:09 PM

I also note that Quark raised the issue of stealth performance vehicles. Not everyone likes body kits and spoilers, which have no practical purpose on the road except to add to weight and cost.

As I advised, I will not buy a slush box or a body-kitted car. I still have kids and a need for a bigger car. That would appear to only leave the opposition for future purchases.

I, for one, like the body kits and slush box. I would like a six-speed tiptronic-type auto please. I may be the only person in Australia who thinks this way but I actually prefer the VYII SS bodykit to the HSV ones.

ATOMIC MALOO R8

30-11-2004, 09:10 PM

one big gripe would have to be the interior leather chioces.I would like the choice to have any colour leather in any colour vehicle. yes i agree on this the onely reson my wife bought a monaro was the coulered interior and ime sick of black ,and gray,i got them change the seats in my r8 to red and black .

hsv423

04-12-2004, 10:21 AM

Just one thing...With the VE, are talking MAJOR renovations to the Commodore or are we talking subtle little changes to the facial aspects....???

Holden

06-12-2004, 06:35 AM

Just one thing...With the VE, are talking MAJOR renovations to the Commodore or are we talking subtle little changes to the facial aspects....???
And the answer is ... wait until 2006.

mavss

06-12-2004, 07:15 AM

And the answer is ... wait until 2006.
DOH !!

I would be interested in hearing if these suggestions have any chance of finding their way to Holden's hierarchy and if so, in what timeframe?

The reason I ask is that the VE is well & truly locked in by now so our suggestions would most likely be considered for the next model - whatever designation that might be.

Holden

06-12-2004, 07:33 AM

hsv423

06-12-2004, 04:13 PM

AWwwwww i cant wait till 2006!..I think that the lights in the VE will be majorly different, like the Astra/Vectra & HSV GTS-R is. I reckon the interior will be alot different-FINALLY!- and that HSV will come down a notch and make a few high perfomance 6's to compete with the XR6T, Tornado & Typhoon..and last of all, we'll finaly have more than 3 half decent colours!!!!!!...oh yeh..and Mr Holden Man, sir, do you know anything about HSV in the way of release dates for upcoming vehicles ect???
thx!

Holden

07-12-2004, 06:58 AM

HSV423 - HSV does its own thing - it's a separately owned company! A lot of people think we have part-ownership of it but we don't.

hsv423

07-12-2004, 08:43 AM

Ok fair enough, thanks man, you've been quite and asset to this forum :)

JazzaT

10-12-2004, 11:58 PM

don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but i'd like to see LED tail and head lights on all models, cornering lights and also...

PLEASE redesign the wagon's taillights! the stacked lights have been around since the VB wagon... the 1960's model wagons had better looking lights!

Bane

13-12-2004, 10:38 AM

I'd like to see a decent range of colours available for the SS.

For years Holden have had a "hero" colour than the obligitary black, red, white and silver.

Frankly this is getting a little old, surely Holden can get a little more inovative than this?

GTS215i

13-12-2004, 05:05 PM

There is no such thing as unhelpful feedback. There have been a few themes that have come through in these posts that certainly offer something to consider. Some of them (pls don't ask which ones) have been consistent with other streams of feedback and we certainly do get a lot. We're taking notice of what gets said here - otherwise we wouldn't be offering to get involved in the chat!

G'day Holden, just a little question...
When Holden states 'our customer feedback and survey suggest our buyers wanted this....' im qurious to who and how there chosen. Are they selected randomly on your customer database or just general road users, becasue out of nearly all the holden forums i would of expected to of met a few who have had input into these feedback results and i would be interested on how to have such formal input apart from this new section which is a great idea.

Holden

14-12-2004, 06:58 AM

G'day Holden, just a little question...
When Holden states 'our customer feedback and survey suggest our buyers wanted this....' im qurious to who and how there chosen. Are they selected randomly on your customer database or just general road users, becasue out of nearly all the holden forums i would of expected to of met a few who have had input into these feedback results and i would be interested on how to have such formal input apart from this new section which is a great idea.
GTS 215 - Excellent question which has come up periodically in these forums. Feedback isn't just a formal process with forms and boxes being ticked. Every time you talk to a dealer, a Holden Customer Assistance person, an engineer, a designer, a journalist talks to a Holden person, a buyer writes to Wheels, people ask consistent questions on motorshow stands ... it's feedback. Then there's broader market research and focus group as well!

Consider this - a string of people go into showrooms to inspect Model X, say to dealers "oh I wish it had such-and-such feature on it", dealers feed this back to Holden, feature goes through review process with everything else, decisions are made and maybe feature appears on subsequent model. Similarly - car offers such-and-such feature, public give feedback by ignoring feature, feature is ultimately deleted. It's an ongoing process and a key part of the car business.

GM350

15-12-2004, 04:06 PM

I'd like to see the VE SS

A 6 speed auto + a slicker T56 with a short shift
Diff ratio option 3.07,3.46,3.7
LS2 engine a must
A V8 Torana
Bigger brakes
A better exhaust systems, why lose out to aftermarket jobbies?
A larger range of paint choice
Greater adjustable steering wheels, I hate having to stretch my arms so much.
More headroom
Split rear seats

I don't mind paying $56,000 for a better package

JasonBB

31-12-2004, 03:52 PM

My wish list off the top of my head

Split fold rear seat

Xenon Head lights

Matching back lights for climate and radio, blue would be nice. The back lights for climate & radio in my VYII are a little different.

Relocate boot release

Foldable key like VW

VZSS250

06-01-2005, 05:12 PM

My wish list:

1. Leather - the quality at the moment is very poor.

2. Overhang at the front needs to be reduced so that SS owners can get over driveways without ripping off their bumper.

3. Diff ratio options PLEASE!!! the manual needs the 3.91. This is the most important suggestion.

4. For those who want a loud exhaust...go get an aftermarket one cos i do not want to have a boomy exhaust on the freeway. Holden has found the right balance with VZ.

5. People who want more headroom should buy a bus. Clearly those who have asked for more headroom are very tall. At 180cm i find the headroom fine and i certainly dont want my VE SS looking like a bus. I want it looking sleek.

6. Dont use the SS nameplate on wagons and crewmans...this is eating into the exclusivity of the SS sedan and ute. (wagon and crewman owners will hate this suggestion).

7. The way things are going with the SV8, the SS owner will be paying $7k to get a little extra bolstering on his front seats. SS equipment levels need to be raised to make it worthwhile spending the extra money over the SV8.

8. Since the SV8 has become so well equiped lately, why not bring the Exec V8 back so people can buy a true budget performance car (you know, the type of car the SV8 was meant to be but now its not cos its got everything).

9. Put the chrome vertical bar grille and stand up bonnet badge back on the caprice. These are institutions for statesman enthousiasts. The current grille looks good but i miss the traditional look that defined the big stato.

And yes the hinges, lets at least get that if not anything else.

vzsv6

10-01-2005, 01:25 PM

I simply will not buy a car that has a radio that can't be replaced because it's too tied in with the rest of the cars electronics. ... The main reason for this is that I will always want to fit a top-shelf stereo. It's the 1st mod I make. 2nd is a two way commercial radio. .. Please, make the dash as 'stylish' as you like, but keep the option for the owners to do with it what they like.

^^^ DEFINITELY WHAT HE SAID ^^^

BlueVZSS

11-01-2005, 03:52 PM

This might be too late for the VE but will eventually happen I believe. If Holdem do it first, they will have a world class vehicle and a marketing edge.

I would suggest putting one larger computer in the vehicle that controls everything with numerous communications options. The computer would control engine management, transmission and drivetrain, suspension settings seating position/s etc. Holden could load different specs for different models and allow a certain degree of user customisation for settings such as suspension, etc via options such as "Sports Mode" and so on.

Put a single decent size TFT touch screen in the console with different "skins" available (already mentioned) and add bluetooth, Wi-fi, infared and GPS comms and you have a lot of options for aftermarket accessory sales. Options should be able to be purchased and simply enlivened by an activation code.

Ideally the computer would incorporate a hard drive for loading MP3s, MPEG etc and be integrated with the audio system that would play DVDs, CDs, etc much like a home DVD player.

One thing I don't want to see however is a BSOD (Blue Screen) when is crashes so it would have to be robust.

Sorry for the length of this, just my two cents worth.

thorshammer33

11-01-2005, 08:54 PM

Suicide doors on the Monaro? (ala RX8)

Stevotski

21-01-2005, 03:20 PM

I would like to suggest the following:

* Improved approach angle re: front spoiler (relative to VYII S, SS anyway)... I have grated them a lot on fairly normal gutters... The local holden dealer runs their hand under every such spoiler to check when they do trade in appraisals, so it must be a common problem

* Insulation between the roof skin and the (VYII) sunglasses holder.... metal framed glasses get deathly hot when you are parked in the sun

* Improved radio reception... I travel in the country regularly and find that a BA will get FM radio reception for another 50 to 60 kms past the range of the VY. A friend fitted a metalised window tint to his BA and he claims that it markedly reduces the radio reception... please consider this if you are looking at an inglass antenna for VE

* The option of having a manual V8 in the Berlina / Calais whether it be by special order... I realise you wouldn't sell a lot of them, however a market exists of people who like luxury and also like to 'drive' their vehicles (and no, tiptronic style auto's don't cut the mustard). I don't imagine that a lot of development work would be required (possibly limited to developing the manual console facia to match the berlina/calais trim) assuming that testing of the manual SV8/SS can be used to validate the berlina/calais manual V8

* Generally more colours available... I have been annoyed by the fact that the S / SV / SS has a restrictive colour choice compared to even the executive (I nearly leased an XR6 last vehicle changeover based on this fact!)

* as for most other posts, boot hinges, 60/40 split rear seat, same size spare wheel on steel rim (ie: no 80km/h max speed on spare)

Smitty

21-01-2005, 08:02 PM

I would like to suggest the following:
*The option of having a manual V8 in the Berlina / Calais whether it be by special order... I realise you wouldn't sell a lot of them, however a market exists of people who like luxury and also like to 'drive' their vehicles (and no, tiptronic style auto's don't cut the mustard).
* Generally more colours available... I have been annoyed by the fact that the S / SV / SS has a restrictive colour choice compared to even the executive (I nearly leased an XR6 last vehicle changeover based on this fact!)

Make a V8 Manual Berlina or Calais and I will buy one....

My 3rd co car at Holdens was a 308 Pack SL/E (308 4 speed) and I continued this selection thru my time there...
my last that I was allowed was a VK Berlina with sunroof 304 V5H engine M21 4 speed LSD FE2 and alloys and it also went to HDT in Pt Melb..... :cool:
When I went to get my missus her VR..the answer was -
"No Sir, no V8 Manual with 185i engine in Berlina"
so an auto it was.... :mad:

and part of the reason I prefer the Berlina is, apart from the 'Wolf in sheeps clothing' effect is the greater choice of colours ....
and the fact that it would under the " Luxury car tax $ level"

I see no problem with Certification (a'la SS), and if anyone wanted it jazzed, there is always HBD... or an SS or SV8!

simple really......

cheers

Smitty

VYSSWagon

21-01-2005, 08:32 PM

You guys have all raised excellent points about the car itself (Split rear seat, boot lit hinges, boot release, firewall/chassis stiffness, better brakes are my main issues). I have a few things I would like to add that I don't think I've seen above:

1) A flywheel/clutch plate/pressure plate combination that will last for more than 20-30,000k's. Owners will (more than likely) treat higher end models like the SS like a sports car and therefore need a decent method of transfering power to the ground. (Otherwise, what's the point of having so much power)

2) An LSD that actually limits slip. I think this one may just be a QA thing, but it is damn frustrating, if you have the grunt but can't get it down to the road. (Not to mention "Inspector Plod" and his wonderful book of tickets)

3) Will somebody PLEASE do a wheel alignment (front and rear) on the car before it gets delivered. I can't speak for everyone else in this forum, but I know that my wagon was way, way out when I picked it up. If it's the dealers responsibility make sure they do it, don't leave it up to the customer. It's called "customer focus". Don't get me wrong, the dealer I bought my car from was as nice as pie. They probably did a "toe and go" before I picked the car up (Wasn't too bad). But what about camber, castor, etc. Full package please, I mean, I am parting with about $50-60k for the car and a set of tyres is worth about $1,600 and with a poor alignment they wear out really quickly.

4) Some reasonable factory tolerances on camber, castor and tie-in (F & R), so the car will handle. The tolerances for the VY are so wide you could drive a bus through them. I fully understand that some cars are family cars and need to be setup for ride rather than handling. If I'm paying a premium of about $15-20k for an SS or Clubsport over an executive, chances are I don't give a rats about ride, but when I turn the wheel I would like it to turn.
(Oh, and aftermarket camber kits on the rear as standard would be good too.)

5) Get rid of those oil filled rubber bushes on the front radius arms, they make the car squerm around under heavy braking (I know, I know, handling vs ride again, but SS/Clubby means I want handling!!)

Other than those few gripes, I love both new Holdens I have had, a VX II SS M6 and now my VY SS M6 wagon. Absolutely fantastic cars. Hopefully, I will soon be back again for my third newby, a VZ R8 (Just need the finances...). Had a test drive the other day and fell in love... Grunt on tap!!

Thunder

22-01-2005, 10:30 PM

Better colours!

Lots of people buy cars based on colours, and look at some of the nice colours that are appearing in the market, as well as some of the cars that have been re-sprayed with modern colours.

Look at the nice blues that Ford have had for ages, WRX blue, Pulsar Blue, and Holden still haven't got a nice blue.

What about Ultra Violent - it isn't much of a purple is it. How about something like "Passion Pearl" (House of Colour) for a purple.

The GTS yellow is a nice clean colour. Some of the other yellows are getting very dirty - the Mazda 3 is a good example.

We ended up with a Silver VX Berlina because the only red you could get changed to an orangy red. Colours make or break a car.

dsvtss

23-01-2005, 07:36 PM

Well, pretty much everything thats already been said. but two more things.

1: More adjustment wuth the stearing wheel, reach adjustment as well as the tilt

2: Brake and throttle peddals closer together on manual models. This day in age, people usually buy a manual commodore as a performance type car, and i for one would like to be able to drive it like one and be able to heal and toe without as much difficulty as there is now. (can still do, just harder than it should be!!!)

mmciau

24-01-2005, 05:44 AM

2: Brake and throttle peddals closer together on manual models. This day in age, people usually buy a manual commodore as a performance type car, and i for one would like to be able to drive it like one and be able to heal and toe without as much difficulty as there is now. (can still do, just harder than it should be!!!)

dsvtss,
Manufacturers are concerned about "closeness" of these two pedals - if you are wearing workboots you have to be very careful that you don't touch the accelerator when braking!

Mike

mavss

24-01-2005, 07:34 AM

I know the luxo vehicles stores the particular driver's preferred settings like radio stations, seat position etc, but wouldn't it be nice if :

1) this was made available on more (all) cars
2) this was transferable from one car to another

Let me explain :

For point 1, it would be difficult to have the full set of options in the base models which Holden are trying to keep affordable, but maybe the Executives etc can still have the ability to remember radio stations, driver console settings (i.e. I like to drive with the "Distance to empty" showing, and whatever else can be pre-set but now blow out the cost of the car.

For point 2, if I purchased a VXIISS 3 years ago and then I purchase a VZIISS in a few months time, how fantastic would it be if when I inserted the key for the first time, the car configured itself so that everything was just the way I wanted it. It may involve the dealer downloading the settings from my VXII key and uploading it into the VZII key, but I tell you, it would certainly give me a "warm fuzzy" from the get-go.

dsvtss

24-01-2005, 09:13 AM

Manufacturers are concerned about "closeness" of these two pedals - if you are wearing workboots you have to be very careful that you don't touch the accelerator when braking!

Mike

I currently drive around in work boots, and believe me, there is no chance of accidently hitting both, in fact u almost have have your foot barley on the brake so that u can blip the throttle at the moment

VX255

29-01-2005, 10:43 AM

A couple that have been already mentioned

-Splitfold rear seat (with existing centre fold down - great for kids)
-Being able to turn off the seatbelt beeper
-glovebox depth and fit
-Correct spare rim & tyre (cost of the 17" rim and tyre must not be much cheaper than the 18" - except it forces me to change it as it is yellow)
-paint quality - very ordinary and thin - compared with a Toyota
-manual on calais - even if spec order (cheaper insurance)
-better approach angle on front spoiler

And the following to consider

Longer range fuel tank on V8
better quality plastic on interior trim that doesnt scuff and look old (Ie trim beside seats, around footwell and in the boot
better sealing windows, tighter dash (no squeaks),
quieter / better steering rack (VYii groans at slow speed with 18's)
better shifter in manuals - try a ripshift in HSV
mudflaps as option for HSVs
better panelfit (esp around rear bumper to tail lights)
more support for rubber around doorseals so it doesnt slump below the doors
stronger wheelbrace with slightly longer lever

just some ideas - as Aussietone said - even if you do none of these I will still order another one in 12 mths

I would still be happy to be driving any of the Holdens (5) that I have owned (Back as far as VH SLE) - Which I cannot say for any of the Fords (6)

VX255

henry1972

29-01-2005, 09:54 PM

Hi Guys,

Great idea to have a this for the VE.

Some things I would like to see:-

1) 60:40 split rear seat
2) AWD available as a option across the range (Exec upwards)
3) Re introduction of a Manual trans in the Exec level vehicle (especially with AWD).
4) As mentioned boot release relocated to a better spot than the glove box.

The lack of a manual trans option on the executive has led me to look afar for my next company vehicle. As I was forced to drive a auto I ended up going with a AWD 5 Speed auto Magna. If the 6 speed was in the executive Holden would have a order for one right now.

Let's see what happens in 3 years.......

henry1972

29-01-2005, 10:13 PM

Hi,

Thanks for your input.

I agree with Fekason why not a exec option?? Sure the take up rate was minimal but if the engine / trans combo (alloytec 175) is offered in the commercials surely you could offer it in the base sedan? even at a indent factory order.

I know it's only cost you one sale from me but it forced me to look elseware for a company vehicle.

slickholden

31-01-2005, 05:39 AM

What about Holden models being built overseas like the Monaro statesman and now ute's.

Can we expect to see a Turbo 6 in VE ?? 50/50?? 100/0 10/90 ??:D

slickholden

31-01-2005, 05:42 AM

What about holdens being built overseas???

And also is the turbo on the cars 50/50 10/90:D

Holden

31-01-2005, 06:33 AM

mavss

31-01-2005, 06:51 AM

I'm a chronic cruise control user and I loved how in my VSII, it would always remain "Active" after starting up the engine whereas in current VXII, it resets itself.

NB : Even though it remained active, it did not remember the original setting which was fair enough.

slickholden

01-02-2005, 05:04 AM

Whats the chances of TFT screen in the VE like fords BA ???

keepleft

06-02-2005, 07:56 AM

For the VE

* FRONT FOG LIGHTS:- "OPTIONAL". Use ONLY UN/ECE 'Lens-Stamped Compliant' front fog lights for those models to be so equipped 'Std'.

It is my view that if it is at all feasible, that you offer these as an accessory fit to VE models less than the SS series.

* REAR FOG LAMP:- "MANDATORY". Perhaps incorporated into the Taillamp cluster or Boot area et al as you design. If this model is to goto EU, then use its taillight range on our domestic product!

Standard taillights are completely useless in heavy rain, snowfall, in bushfire smoke and fog, even on a gravel road. The AUS Design Rule (52) should be 'Mandatory' for these, it is upsetting they are not adopted yet as a Mandatory Certification, please take the initiative and do try for this primary-safety item.

Enforcement is a matter of law, I too get annoyed by mis-use, but one should not blame the light. Enforcement and education is tightening up, the education component is in almost every jurisdictional driver manual.

WARNING TRIANGLE: UN/ECE 27R versions only. Eg:- Hella Part Number 2901

Holden supply as standard equipment in the Statesman an Australian Standard 3790B unit made by Hella (vis Part No. 2900). Hella made this unit to that standard, and should therefore take no offence when I say it is best described as flimsy. I have had on numerous occasions over the years cause to use warning triangles on approach to crash scenes and breakdowns, the latter typically where I've stopped on seeing a car in a precarious situation. Switching on hazard warning lights does not allow vehicles approaching around a bend to see you, a warning triangle of Euro quality alerts this traffic and the unit has benefit along straight roads too.

Holden - The reason I urge you to adopt UN/ECE is that the UNECE27R in Transport warning triangle item is a superior product over both the AS3790B AND 3790 North American market based items, it is superior in NIGHT REFLECTIVITY, in resistance to wind buffeting (think passing trucks @ 100km/h and in storms) AND the products have an efficient Fluro INNER DAYTIME TRIANGLE. The AS on the matter 'accepts' UN/ECE as an alternative in any case.

Another key 'future' reason is that it is Commonwealth desire to harmonise 3790 with UNECE27R. **You will recall the Calibra was supplied with a UNECE27R product.

I'd like to see these as standard supply (initially) on the SS and luxury Commodore range, available as a dealer accessory thereafter. In time however, I'd like you to consider suppling these throughout your MA category range, pre-empting an ADR or AUS Road Rule 'mandatory change' on the matter.

Education of these is expanding, new driver manuals will contain photographs of Euro (UNECE27R) types to impart the quality we'd like people to buy.

*** I don't support an earlier post by a forum member as to "Cornering Lamps". Though legal in ADR, It is annoying and distracting to have an equipped car overtake at moderate speed (130 - 150) - where the driver indicates, the low beams are on, and in addition to the indicators which 'we expect', - the damned cornering lamp also activates!!! One does not need a beam of 21watt torchlight aimed into oncoming traffic in order to turn a corner, let alone overtake or merely change lanes!

OTHER ITEMS: Dealer supply mention in brochure of Australian Standard First Aid Kit and Safety Vest.

**Mod Edit** I have allowed this post with minor wording changes because it concerns some safety issues of merit, however the general attitude of this post was a little to confrontational! Holden are not the enemy here!! Please word future posts a little better**

gmh308

06-02-2005, 06:29 PM

Holden Team,

One area I have not seen covered here, but does influence my buying decisions is chassis dynamics......handling / feel. Hoping you are upgrading the chassis and suspension on the coming model/s with some truly creative thinking that you can get by the Finance Dept.

Why? While a Holden guy for ever, (our family also has over 50 years between us working for GM - but not these days), I had the opportunity to drive an E46 3 Series BMW for a year, followed by a VY SV8 for a year, and then defected again......no Torana size car (the Vectra is dull for the money).

The 3 Series Bimmer was an absolute pleasure to drive, it was fun, enjoyable, predictable....mainly in turns because it does corners so well, so precisely, you punt it into a turn and dont have to keep steering it thru. Just hold the wheel. Difficult to get into words, so I wont try. With speed limits and enforcement as they are these days, not much chance for straight line, so more fun required from corners.

The BMW anti dive / anti squat suspension geometry also works extremely well, contributing to improved braking, acceleration and comfort, and no doubt contributes to the overall feel.

There is no real magic in BMW suspension, it is Mac strut up front, though the rear suspension is more advanced than C'dore - for now.....?

Dont know if Holden chassis people ever get a chance to drive BMW's, but it would be worth it to get some connection with that "feel". Just because they cost a lot (too much - taxes) in Oz, they cant cost much more, if any at all more than Holdens to build, considering the higher BMW volumes.

So I am sure you can lift the game a lot on the new model (dont get me wrong the Monaro dynamics are very good) and the dynamics - you already make great cars, great quality (relative to the old days), which in many areas are more advanced than Bimmers, and cost a lot less (for the volumes), and keep Aussies in jobs.

Looking forward to a contemporary or better chassis that matches the new 6 cyl engine, and could also have a Torana body sitting on top.

Keep up the great work!

davrin

07-02-2005, 04:43 PM

Hi Holden

First of all thanks a lot for participating and contributing officially
to this Forum

Thanks a lot for building such great cars at such affordable prices
for us motoring enthousiats. I have a few ideas and wishes that I
want to convey to you guys for the the VE, here goes:

- An AWD Manual option for the entire VE Commodore range
- An AWD Manual option for the VE Monaro
- A Twin-Turbo option on the AlloyTech V6 engine
The news media have reported that such an engine is under
development/test at the moment. It would be nice to have it
for the VE Commodore

And if HSV is also reading this forum, a HSV-GTR LS7 based
car with AWD Manual option

Since we are talking about wish lists and just a little bit off the
topic, the Torana that Holden presented at the SMS is really
great. But guys, this car has the potential of being an Mitsubishi
Evolution killer and a Subaru STi killer. If that car is ever going
production, please bring this car out with an AWD system with
a Twin-Turbo AlloyTech engine. The Torana is already a cult car
in its own right, this option will make it the biggest cult car ever.
Don't forget that the yanks are closely watching the Torana
space... need I say more

Kind regards

Richard

Marco

07-02-2005, 09:24 PM

It might be too late at this late stage - but please, please don't do what Opel did with the Vectra and try to get too clever with the switchgear.

In particular, the power window switches on the driver's door are a nightmare. Please don't copy the idea of only having two switches and a switch that needs to be flicked before you can use those same two switches to control the rear windows. Such a pain on a hot day when you get in and want to drop all four windows, so you drop the two fronts, flick the switch, and then drop the two rears. It's just unneccessarily complex in the name of having 'cool looking' switchgear.

In short, don't sacrifice Aussie car practicality in the name of being trendy and Euro.

spellweaver

09-02-2005, 08:37 PM

BlueVU, thanks for the feedback! On the whole the public reaction has been very enthusiastic with the majority of people saying they love the car. Obviously there have been a very small minority who dislike certain aspects, but to be honest I think that if you find that everyone you speak to likes the car, then you probably haven't pushed the design far enough.

The primary purpose of a showcar is to test public reaction - what they will accept and sometimes more importantly, what they won't. I think Torana has been very successful in creating a buzz about the promising future of Holden and it shows that Holden isn't afraid to push the boundaries. I for one am proud to be a part of that.

Ewan Kingsbury
Holden Design
Well here's one for you , I would not even consider buying the concept Torana if it became a reality. I have had an original SLR 5000 and an L34 ,my mates and I basically grew up with them oh and the other guys with their shakers n V8 cortinas. You can NOT mock up a Vectra and call it a Torana. Maybe the guru's at Ford can make a new phase 3 of the 21st century i.e. A Festiva with a quad turbo. Sound stupid? Don't get me wrong i'm not against the whole Torana rebirth ,but you MUST keep the Torana shape to a certain degree , so whan you see it you can say " hey check out the new Torri" without trying to find the badge.THX

spellweaver

09-02-2005, 09:20 PM

Dickie Knee

10-02-2005, 07:48 PM

Hi guys

First I would like the thank Holden for allowing us to forward our ideas / questions to them via this forum.

Most of the design questions / ideas that I have been thinking about have already been discussed here (Boot hinges, better lighting and etc).

All I have left is,

1. A channel in the front windscreen moulding so that you don't get wet if you clean the windscreen with the window down the slightest bit.

2. A sound system that has a DVD drive that is MP3 compatible so you can play MP3s from a DVD. Hmm 4.7 GB of music per disc. If not this least an audio in for an Ipod.

Smitty

11-02-2005, 10:28 AM

I have heard this "more headroom " a few times now? I'm 6'5" and I don't have a problem with headroom?

huh??? no problem?
I am 5'11" and have to back into the driver seat, head down
as the door frame causes headaches bruising and concussion :eek:
coz it gets in the way when entering....
the VN-VS series are much better in this respect
VT on is horrid .....
more headroom is a must!

mind you AU and BA Fords are worse

cheers

Smitty

11-02-2005, 10:32 AM

..snip..
All I have left is,

1. A channel in the front windscreen moulding so that you don't get wet if you clean the windscreen with the window down the slightest bit.

if most other (non Australian) manufacturers can do it
why not Holden??
This happens to be a problem common with all Australian manufactured cars
(have a look at a BA or a Magna)
and then compare with 3 series BMW or Merc
its simple
and fixes an annoying problem

cheers

henry1972

12-02-2005, 11:09 PM

There has been a lot of great feedback here and it's an excellent method of gathering extra ideas (or reinforcing ones we already had). Keep it coming ... :)

Re manual options: We're not closing the door on this, but it has to be said that the intermittent enthusiasm on this forum for manual options doesn't reflect sales "out there" for those options when they were available.

I agree with your observation that sales numbers do not reflect demand for manual tranny's.

Can I give you come food for thought with this senario:-

1) I really want to purchase a new VYII Exec Man sedan, no probs the salesman / woman says. Trade appraised, figures done. Manual trans option is $800 - $1000 less than auto. Sorry sir "as we don't stock manuals there is a 2 - 3 month wait on this vehicle and as a result your trade will be worth possibly $1000 dollars less". So the changeover is the same as a auto.

Most people who really want a manual will be thinking "I can get my new car now, even if it is a auto - let's do it". As most people would not want to wait.

Surely if these vehicles (manuals) were encouraged to be on dealers floor and / or held in Holden stock then the sales of manuals would take on a different perspective?

I spoke to one dealer (in QLD) and he told me the last VYII Exec Manual he had was bought by a customer in Melbourne (that's what I call a need)..

I don't believe this is a high volume product but surely there is a want out there?

Just some food for thought.

downbylaw

13-02-2005, 05:49 PM

An Option to turn off that bloody seatbelt beeper gets annoying REAL quick!
Jeff.

Couldn't agree more mate the thing drives me insane :mad: :mad:

daza

14-02-2005, 10:53 AM

After many years out of a Holden there were a few things that struck me with my new VZ.
The front roof pillar is quite bulky and obstructs vision. On the new model could this be improved?
A minor one but the indicators on the air vents point in the wrong direction, relating to air flow.
A higher front lip on the front bumper on the SS. I scraped mine in the first 10 km's. :eek: In a perfect world the new model would have less overhang?
Frequency adjustable intermittant wiper setting.
The electric adjustment in the seat base for height seems to be a waste IMHO. Once you set your seat position and height it is rarely adjusted, but if it changed depending on what key was used it would make a little more sense.
The radio aerial should be optional/standard with height adjustment across the range. Better still in the window if possible.
A folding key and/or a larger hole for the key ring. Perhaps a metal eyelet as well to reduce wear?
It has been said before but a split fold rear seat is very convenient.
An input for a MP3 player on the premum stereo.
The option on the trip computer to actually see the temp in celcius, oil pressure in kpa. In fact any reading that the sender units give that indicate running engine state? I was very surprised that my SS didnt have a oil pressure gauge option.
The ute needs more leg room, perhaps the same cabin size as the 1 tonner. The under cut could be better served in the cab.

I know there is a constant battle to keep the options down to a minimum as it makes the cars more expensive to produce and harder for the dealers to shift floor stock. Some things like diff ratio options, exhaust options could possibly be fitted by HBD?
Looking forward to the VE with great antisipation.
Just my 40k's worth
Daza

Shane-o

15-02-2005, 10:10 PM

6 disc stacker that can play mp3's

Fly by wire controls for instant response and weight reduction

LOUDER exhaust note when idling, "Burble"

Option to plug in an amp and subwoofer into the head unit would be nice, Instead of trying to solder it like VY SS
Better still make it standard even if it's only a cheap amp/woofer combination that's added to the current setup

Bring back a turbo or better still a twin turbo commodore, The VL's used to kick arse.
Make the Torana a reality.
If not the torana then maybe the SSX with a single turbo, Would sway everyone away from the imports I think

Now for those Eco friendly people out there maybe release some sort of hybrid version that runs on both electric and petrol

And last but not least a tiptronic gearbox of some sort, maybe even on the steering wheel for the sports models ie SS/Monaro/HSV

clixanup

23-02-2005, 08:42 AM

I've been holding off posting here, 'cos there isn't really much that I don't like about my car.

The one thing which really p#sses me off is the freakin' key. I mean its like carrying the key to the city around. I'd really appreciate a separate fob & key like most other manufacturers offer, or a fob with a flip out key like the new Astra.

The intrusive boot hinges are about the only other thing which can be annoying.

Thats my $0.02.

chuss

24-02-2005, 01:46 PM

I haven't been on for a while, but thought i'd post a few thoughts on what i'd like to see:

1. Split fold rear seat - I think everyone has mentioned it
2. Decent cupholders
3. Boot hinges smaller, or make them like the BA, on the outside of the frikkin boot.
4. Some new exterior colour choices
5. Spare tyre located out of view in the boot.

VTberlinaWAGON

24-02-2005, 07:57 PM

A factory/HBD option to be able to remove the window in the panelvan (reinforcement for window area incl) if the panelvan is to be continued into the VE!

Rohan

V82xist

25-02-2005, 05:28 PM

5. Spare tyre located out of view in the boot.
It has been for many years already.

SV99

28-02-2005, 02:03 PM

i think it is about time holden ditched that Fugly green colour they use for backgroung lighting of the Radio/climate control/ trip computer etc etc.

we need some classy looking dash dashboards, something like those that are found in the high end lexus model (like it is LCD or something).

oh, and a nice heads up display....

this and how about some DIFFERENT Colours instead of just red /silver/white and black on the SS/S models.

16in rims on the exec and acclaim.

and bring back the V8 option for the Exec sedan and wagon.

chevman

13-03-2005, 10:47 PM

I would really like to see a Turbo 6 added to the range. I was so impressed with the BA6T I was nearly tempted to the dark side.
Psychologically a turbo 6 has me believing that i get the economy of a 6 cylinder with the performance of an eight. The torque they generate also attracts me for towing purposes.
As a consumer and car nut I am PERFORMANCE motivated, and the thought of chasing more power from a turbo six wets the taste buds. I do love that push in the back as a strong turbo motor comes on boost.
With the new 6 making 190kw aspirated, then boosted is a tempting proposition.

VeeTee346

14-03-2005, 08:05 PM

SECURE that wheel jack!! (sedan)

Such an obvious cause of NVH. How did that design, letting gravity to take care of things, ever get approved in the VT?

I wrapped the wheel jack in some foam sheeting.. all of a sudden no CLANG when going over speed bumps (and I'm only talking walking pace here).

Cat755

15-03-2005, 12:23 PM

A light to indicate when reverse is selected with the manual box would be handy. Wife often comments it's not good to be in 5th when wanting to reverse out of a street park :eek:

lxhatch

15-03-2005, 05:15 PM

I haven't read all nine pages but did anyone mention folding in door mirrors - my last car had this - hit a button and the mirrors fold in - great in car parks and stops ppl knocking them and vandals busting them off.

VeeTee346

16-03-2005, 09:08 AM

That reminds me, and I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it already, can we PLEASE have self dipping passenger side door mirrors, standard across the range. Someone correct me if Exec's have this already.

Extremely useful feature when reversing, hardly a luxury.

HYPERSONIC

16-03-2005, 10:15 PM

As i carry a laptop with me everyday at work i am still a bit worried about leaving it in the 'ute'. i would have use for a stainless steel LOCKABLE drawer (on roller bearings) under the passenger seat which pulls out into the passenger side footwell , so i can lock my laptop away. (could also be used for other valuables).

Also on the sedan i wouldn't mind a switched light on the inside of the actual boot lid , so when you lift the boot up you can switch a higher powered light on which shines into the boot from above , (in addition to the lights already there.) of course the switch would have to be lightly illuminated so you can find the switch , but it should switch back to the off position when boot is closed.(low voltage battery cutout may be needed here.)
same thing under front bonnet would also be very classy. (especially in emergency situations at night.)

I also think the flipout key idea is a good one. :cool:
maybe even a accessory power outlet in the boot.(for engel fridge etc).

P.S. as the trend with new housing these days is to have a remote controll roller door , would it be possible to have the ability/facility to program the roller door signal into the car key???.

Am i making sense???.

CarlFST60L

19-03-2005, 04:59 PM

Simple one, remote control keyring ring made a little bigger, if you put it on a thicker keyring, they dont fit properly, its stiff and dosnt freely move around...

The simple things ;)

Also, Would love the throttle and brake peddles (on the manual) to be allot closer for heal toeing...

:Cheers:

QuicksilverVZ

20-03-2005, 01:14 PM

Having owned a VZ SS for about a month now I have the following suggestions (in no
particular order)

The easy ones-

- Smaller key. Either have a folding key, separate remote button or something. At the very least make the hole for the keyring the right size to actually fit a keyring
- Better sound quality. The speakers in the standard issue are painful to listen to, and the audio upgrade option prices are extortion
- Facility for connection and control of a remote CD stacker. This will allow me to seamlessly connect an iPod and control it through the steering wheel buttons
- Auto up on power windows
- Radio aerial integrated into rear window for a neater look
- Self dipping passenger rear view mirror when reverse is selected
- Move the cruise control to the steering wheel to allow a simple button press for accell/decell/set/coast.
- 'Door Open' warning on dash. I was convinced my dash wasnt working because this didn't work, I never even considered that this wouldn't be fitted.
- Position the plastic over the dash facia so you dont get so much glare
- Get rid of the diff whine.
- Ability to adjust the speed of wipers in intermittent mode.
- Option of cloth on Calais. I can't understand leather in cars. Used to be you would upgrade from Vinyl to Cloth trim, now it's an upgrade from Cloth to Leather??? Only if you always park undercover.
-Greater differentiation between SS and SV8.

Harder ones -

- Semi auto six speed - ie a manual witout a clutch
- All that you get in an SS in a smaller package (Torana?). I only bought an SS because I couldn't find something smaller with the same mix of features/performance in a smaller rear wheel drive car in the same price range.

V8EST8

27-03-2005, 03:24 PM

I'm not sure if its just me or not but i'd like the auto climate control A/C to stay in auto mode when you change fan speed manually. If you leave it in auto you get blown away and can't speek to anyone every time you get in the car in summer. What car can you copy off. BMW's auto a/c control system is perfect. Its about time we get real suspension. Replacing sway bar link rubber's and rear tyres (from inner wear) should have been fixed years ago. I know its been improved in later models from VT's but Holden doesn't seem to want to know the owners that bought there cars first when the new model came out. Had all the bugs i.e broken pockets on back of front seats (now fixed), whistling windscreen rubbers (now fixed), sway bar rubber links (now fixed), rear tyre wear (now improved), driveshaft shudder (now fixed or is it - rubber donut), lights going in half of climate control LCD then re-appearing (3 cars i've had have done this) and worst of all rubber door seals sqeaking (now fixed with felt strips). I bet theres more that i missed out on but you get the idea. Rule of thumb - never buy Holden first editions buy attempt number 8 i.e VZ and it will finally be how it should have been built and then they will scrap that idea and start from square one again now, then start fixing problems as they come up. You don't see these faults in many other makes, why is that? All holden does is devalue its old mistakes with new models (the new fixed up version) and us people with the old one's left high and dry. e.g a VT SS, Series two, v's VZ SS. Same car different plastic bits. VT SS - worthless. Comparo - BMW 318i 2000 model v's BMW 318i 2005 - same car, same looks, owner of 2000 car happy as isn't driving a car with many faults, still looks new and walla resale value. This owner will be straight in to buy the new model from ground up this year with no concerns about quality. Buy an SS today and your in tears in 6 months when new one is out and yours looks like crap and is worth nothing. Look ahead 5 years ahhh - VT verse VZ. No brand loyalty, never again, car full of faults and no dealer help.

The general idea is better testing and customer pre testing of your models before release. These things shouldn't happen but some are unavoidable but things like the rear tyre wear, there is no way holden towed a 2 ton boat behind an SS and drove 1500 km's without destroying the inner rear tyres. I know first hand you have lost many private & fleet sales due to this. Anyone see the Telstra VT wagons getting around dragging along the rear end and replacing rear tyres rapidly. They are not overloaded under your handbook instructions. If you can't do something better i.e wagons and utes with IRS make it an option. e.g Ford with leaf sprung wagons.

Somebody stop me. I love my Holdens and have recommended many people into them. I'm stuck at the moment though and i'll give you an insite into a customers mind. My buying decision at present i'm going through. 3 options:

1. Buy the last of this model range VT - VZ with VR suspension that is getting just to the point of fault free like it shouyld have been in VT and loosing all my resale and having a very old looking commodore in 12 months with VE (should be BV - Big vectra) being out

or

2. Buying a VE and being the guinea pig again then unhappy 6 months after that when next model is out with some faults fixed and a new look.

or

3. Buying a BMW and having no power but good suspension and smooth fault free motoring with dealers that care. Knowing that my car will be same shape and look good/modern still in 5 years with garenteed good resale.

or

Dare i say it buy a Ford and go through the same experience.

Decisions, Decisions. What is the resale on a VT series 1, SS

Holden Nut

30-03-2005, 12:38 AM

HSV_Punk

05-04-2005, 05:00 PM

Good to see Holden is actively looking at feedback from enthusiasts, not just the people which don't know anything about cars and just drive them.

I have a VYII Berlina and am very happy with it. But have a few things which annoy me (most have been mentioned before):

1. The intrusive boot hinges.

2. The lack of split fold rear seat (I could fit more stuff in my camry)

3. The fact when you put the climate control on recirculate (ie when you have a smoking car near you or go near the Kraft factory) it goes into manual mode, you should be able to put it on recirculate and have it still remain on auto.

4. The key, a folding key would be great. Had many holes put in pockets since getting this car. (If it cant be made standard, have an option of getting one, if I could get one, i would buy one now.)

5. Mp3 compatibility with the CD player would be great and an auxilary input for connection of an Ipod. Maybe put RCA connections down with the mobile phone connector for convenience.

Thats my realistic recommendations. Sure I could say put this in, put that in, but it would end up costing a fortune and be unreachable to the average Australian.

Holden: What are the chances of a foldout key being able to be purchased? Or is it possible to get one currently?

vzsv6com

11-04-2005, 11:08 PM

Well it's good to see some one is looking out for the consumer for once. I have owned every model from the vr to vz sv6.
i have the vzsv6. it's a awesome car shocking diff ratio. what the hell is a 2.87 ratio, crickey. i put in a 3.46 and it's great. bigger brakes a must. i changed all the brakes straight away, to some dba's slotted. I honestly use to say holden was way in front of it's counter parts, but it's becomming a dog fight. With fords new typhoon, i think holden will be doomed, and the alloytech, will be changing a few v8 owners aswell. after driving the sv6 to the ss, there is no way i would of bought the ss. the sv6 was just as quick amd mine has a proud 178rwkw's now. still waiting for the headers and extractors.
If holden know they people spend money on alot of performance parts such as brakes to engine mods, why not have it available ready, it just doesn't make sense. the green dash has to go, it's old and ats very uncomfortable at night. blue is a better way to go. seating needs to change aswell.i mean in colours and style.
But the last think i want to say is im guessing the ve will be more squarer, u can just see it, which is a good thing, i just hope the performance is too match ford cause if it's not i will change.
Its no secret ford handles better. Why are holden rushing.
What i mean is they went from the vy to the vz, nothing changed except for the motor, meaning the alloytech. and the new eletronic throttle control.
but holden saved money keeping the interior and the exterior the same minusing small vivid changes, which u can't tell the difference.

I just hope too see something that will burn ford forever.

escii

12-04-2005, 02:10 AM

I'm very glad to see that holden is listening to the ideas of there loyal costomers, one thing i would like to suggest is a turbo performance model of the VE.

i think that this will be a very well recived idea to the general public as well as a competitor to the XR6, holden is famous for its v8 heratige but turbo performance cars are a untouched consumer base, such a package would make holden appeal to a much larger consumer base than currently present, people are actully going out of they way to turbo there holdens such as doing swaps from toyotas ( 1jz, etc ) or turboing there existing ones, for holden to fill this gap as ive said before will be very welcomed.

thanks for reading my suggestion holden.

GML10N

18-04-2005, 10:06 PM

Hi Holden design guru's. Firstly thanks for taking the time to read posts on an internet forum. I'll try not to waste your time too much.

VE Wish List:
- Better quality control. I know this seems silly but every modern (vt+)holden (and HSV) I have bought has had to be returned within a week to fix silly, trivial things that a more through quality checking procedure would have picked up. (everything from poor fitting body plastics to badly lifting carpets) Sorry if this doesn't have anything to do with your exact jobs.
- Faster seat movement on the monaros for back seat access. I have a GTO coupe and not a monaro but I am assuming they are the same setup? If you want to put people in the back seats and its raining, it is painfully slow waiting for the seat to get far enough forward to get them in. Even worse putting kids into the back. Is there someway to override the electric movement controls with a quick release lever or such? I know most people who own monaros and HSV coupes are probably not that worried about putting people or kids into their back seats, but if it could be solved simply and cheaply, then I think it should be considered.
- My wife is quite short and occasionally drives my VY SS ute. She has some trouble parking because of reduced visibility and extended length as compared to our other cars. Perhaps reversing sensors on the utes is a possiblity as a factory option?

Couple of thumbs up....
- Thanks for deleting the tornneau(spelling) hooks on the utes (VU onwards etc) Really makes the entire thing much more asthetically pleasing. Don't do a ford and separate the cab/tray sections on the stylesides either. It was personally the biggest factor that encouraged me to buy the VY ute and not the BA.
- Flip down drink holders kick ass.
- Interiors are fantastic. VY really was a massive step up from previous models and I hope that VE and onwards continues the trend. It's hard to please everyone, but it's harder to find any faults at all in a styling and ergonomics regard.

Thanks.

commomate

19-04-2005, 12:50 AM

Three of the most relistic sugestions have been:-

1. boot hinges

2. split fold rear seat
cannot work out in VT, VTII, VX, VXII, VY, VYII & VZ with all the headlight and tail light and panel redesign, that these things never happened since Ford have had gas struts on there boot since the AU and the split folding rear seats at least since the EA............ and last

3. shift the boot release from the glovebox!
Could never work out why this was ever done and why it has continued for so long????????
I think that some VN's and VR's had the boot release down on the right hand side of the drivers seat this may have been a request from Toyota with the Lexen to be consistant with their model range

Holden

20-04-2005, 01:28 PM

Goggles

20-04-2005, 02:53 PM

Of course, you'll see which ideas were 'on the money' next year.

unless we spot a mule somewhere in our travels.........

ShanghaiVZ

20-04-2005, 04:10 PM

I think I'm gonna soil myself if you make us wait much longer. haha. But a brand new ground up build (except for driveline of course). I'm salvating as I speak! BUT can you perhaps let us know of an actual/set release date? I have heard an April release and a November release next year, could you clarify that?

mavss

20-04-2005, 05:58 PM

Three of the most relistic sugestions have been:-

3. shift the boot release from the glovebox!
Could never work out why this was ever done and why it has continued for so long????????
I think that some VN's and VR's had the boot release down on the right hand side of the drivers seat this may have been a request from Toyota with the Lexen to be consistant with their model range
My guess would be that it was put in the glovebox for security reasons. Pre-VT, it was alongside the drivers seat, meaning anyone who broke into the car would have easy access to the boot. If the glovebox is locked, it makes it that little bit harder to do so which may be enough to dissuade the offender.

CarlFST60L

20-04-2005, 06:23 PM

Thanks to everyone for taking the time and effort to list some ideas over the past six months. We can categorically say that some of you have touched on some pretty critical things to VE. There were some pretty wild ones as well and the occasional one probably best left to the aftermarket scene! Of course, you'll see which ideas were 'on the money' next year.

From concept...
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To realiity
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Holden

21-04-2005, 08:48 AM

Much as we all want to avoid the sort of reaction described by ShanghaiVZ, release schedules will remain confidential for a while yet.

Goggles

21-04-2005, 08:55 AM

Much as we all want to avoid the sort of reaction described by ShanghaiVZ, release schedules will remain confidential for a while yet.

as long as the VE SS is ready for me to replace my current VYII SS in Aug 06 when the lease runs out.

team illucid

21-04-2005, 08:58 AM

I would like to see some form of entertainment device added for the kids in the backseat *cough xbox 360 cough* :)

OnItsBalls

27-04-2005, 05:54 PM

Wouldnt mind seeing more options in the performance department
1. lowered suspension set up
2. bigger brakes
3. please an exhaust option

Also, the door frame, it would be great if they lost that bit hanging over the window.

Also, the speaker system in the cars at the moment is shocking when put up loud, better quality speakers which can take a bit of bass would be nice.

DO NOT COPY ANYTHING FROM THE BA FALCON< heap of junk!

vzsv6

30-04-2005, 01:55 PM

DO NOT COPY ANYTHING FROM THE BA FALCON< heap of junk!

Especially that crappy integrated stereo that you're stuck with!!!

VYSSLEEPER

05-05-2005, 05:32 PM

What ever happened to the premium sound option??????

SiK

10-05-2005, 02:39 PM

My family have been Holden customers for a long time and a few points that i and others have thought of to improve an already great product for the VE lineup are:

1. A 10" subwoofer placed in between rear speakers on the parcel shelf of S pack car and above. I can't really complain about the speakers that are already in place.

2. MP3/WMA playback.

Different ideas:

3: Seeing as you have created the Alloytec 190, why not add a supercharger to it and put a HSV badge on it?

4: Make the Torana AWD. Give the ricers some aussie competition on even ground. The ability to add and take away turbo's will give tuners who are thinking of buying an EVO or a WRX another, aussie option. Perhaps a HSV model also with added power.

Even though i love an Aussie V8 i don't think Holden should add too many more V8's into their range. In my opinion they should be trying to cater for a diverse market and i believe an added HSV in the forms of a 4cyl (perhaps new astra) and definately a V6 (supercharged or turbo, even both).

Mimo

18-05-2005, 08:28 PM

This thread has been a fantastic read and continues to be so. Kudos to Holden on their official presence.

I'm the proud owner of 2002 Series I Monaro and finances willing am hoping to upgrade to another Monaro in 2006 so my wish list will relate more to the coupe line as apposed to the sedan.

- Remove the intrusive boot hinges
- Auto up and down on both passenger and driver windows
- Wet (powered) rear windows in the Coupe
- Frameless doors and no b pillars ala Merc
- Full size matching alloy spare wheel with matching rubber
- Faster sliding mechanism on front seats for rear seat access
- Memory settings for passenger seat
- Blue glow instruments rather than green
- LED tail lights
- Premium sound upgrade options including complete speaker upgrades
- Auto folding door mirrors
- 6 speed paddle shift tiptronic auto paddles behind steering wheel spokes (sorry but I'm an auto fan)
- Steering wheel mounted cruise control
- brake upgrade options
- More interior leather colour options (love my flame) VZ range is a tad lacking
- Better range of colours and upgrade in quality of paint for exterior
- ditch the felt interior panels as they are hard to keep clean and scratch too easily
- include a nice flat panel display ala Toyota Prius showing wheel pressure, wheel temp and all the usual fair (include GPS upgrade option).
- LS2 V8 would be nice
- Turbo version CV6 would be quite interesting
- Front parking sensors
- DVD / screen in headrest upgrade entertainment system ala Caprice
- More body kit options from HBD including 19" wheels
- Higher quality rear suspension to aid in handling and rubber wear.
- More adjustability in fan speeds for climate control
- Rubber lined door pockets
- grab (Jesus) handles above all passenger seats (my passengers keep commenting on the lack of any).
- Something to make the front seat belts easier to reach for i.e. make them part of the seat perhaps (this will help reduce rear seat mishaps on exits)
- upgrade the front seats or offer option to go to HSV R8 sedan style for greater lateral support
- AWD option
- More rear seat head room (perhaps make the seats a tad deeper)
- Larger and more supportive rear head rests
- Delete the power button and tune engine for PULP ala HSV
- Instrument cluster options via HBD perhaps i.e. colours / features
- Electronic Speedo with HUD option
- alloy drilled brake and accelerator pedals

Keep up the good work. From a very happy owner ;)

Jag530G

19-05-2005, 08:16 PM

Fully agree with Mimo above.

One extra for the Monaro, since a fold down rear seat would not suit a convertable version, please put in a Ski Port (like the TS Astra CD) or some thing to attach roof racks on the roof (slots on the black roof strips, again like the TS Astra), When planning a ski trip i realised that there was nowhere to put ski's, not good especially with any future AWD version.

mrmav

15-06-2005, 02:31 PM

i have one major thing i would like to see as well as a few minor things.
the major thing is to make the front lip on the ss have a smooth undertray or at least something to stop it catching if you (or your wife) drive over one of those concrete blocks they put in car parks, this happened to us when car 100k old and wife went to reverse out of carpark and started to rip whole bumper assembly off from rhs luckily she stopped and we managed to lift edge of bumper over concrete before more damage was done (rhs clip to 1/4 panel broken). Other brands(ford for example) make a smooth undertray and this solves problem
more minor things i would like to see changed are: non intrusive boot hinges.
less hard plastics inside and better finishes to the ones we have to have (whole centre console unfinished black plastic except for band of silver grey round edge) not good enough on a 50k car (vy ss)

mrmax

Cool_Hand_Luke

22-07-2005, 09:36 AM

I own a 2004 GTO in the United StAtes,

The Monaro needs wider wheel wells for wider tires.
The clutch and shifter needs to be smoother.
The 2005 brakes are better than my 04. Good work!
A drop top ?

Onstar and NAV systems would be nice. Only GM product in North America I've seen without Onstar.

VQST80

26-07-2005, 11:17 PM

Aloytech twin turbo hpr kit would be a massive success.
Fords sales would be seriously reduced.
And keep going on the gas LEO rodeo's!
My old boy loves the idea.

surfmaster59

04-08-2005, 05:40 PM

A couple of simple ideas -

2 power sources up front to charge two mobile phones at the same time (or charge the mobile and run the PDA/Satnav).

A place to mount an aftermarket Satnav on the dash so it doesn't have to be stuck on a flexi-bracket to the front screen.

A capacity for the stereo unit to play MP3's.

Thanks for listening :)

vz maloo r8jack

16-08-2005, 09:26 PM

my 2 cents! most of other suggestions o.k. but no-one mentions anything about utes .i think replacing boot open button on the key to a remote ute cover open pretty cool i say! and a similar thing for fuel cap as in the sedans sat nav would be useful too! not currently an option in ute but i think it could be implemented i suppose it would present itself to fitment problems considering ute body , but just a thought!

chuss

30-08-2005, 02:31 PM

How about bringing in some Fuel cell powered cars into production!!

IF not, then a dedicated LPG system car (F ord have done it).

VKBROCK

31-08-2005, 02:31 PM

dont intergrate the stereo like the ba falcon leave room for after market upgrades like incar pcs h/drives etc. ;)

SV8.YOU

01-09-2005, 11:21 AM

I heard awhile ago that there is going to be a turbo version with 280kw. If that is so, I will be definatley putting my order in. Also the 6speed is going to be tiptronic.

Louie

03-09-2005, 09:22 PM

I would like 2 trip meters included, like some cars have.
Reason for, too numerous to state.

German Statesman

07-09-2005, 10:35 PM

1. Turbo diesel option
2. mp3 and integrated Bluetooth with voice activation
3. Link pin bushes made of neoprene instead of short-lived rubber
4. Longer life engine and trans mounts
5. Bow-less bootlid
6. HIDs and LEDs for lights with adjustment like in Vectra
7. Bring back the long-range fuel tank option, ideally of 95-100 litres be it diesel or petrol
8. Police-spec wide rims as standard with Turanzas
9. Two stage indicators like in BMWs - one tap on the stalk for four blinks to change lanes, click down as normal for continual operation

Thanks for reading this.

Speedy Gonzales

08-09-2005, 06:44 AM

With the price of fuel skyrocketing, a dedicated LPG or turbo diesel option would be very noice.

Patrick

09-09-2005, 08:21 PM

With the price of fuel skyrocketing, a dedicated LPG or turbo diesel option would be very noice.

This should answer your question.

FOR RELEASE: 2005-09-07

CONTACTS

GM Holden Launches Dual-fuel Commodore

The success of Australia ’s most popular car range will be enhanced with the launch of a dual-fuel Commodore, featuring a newly-developed version of GM Holden’s 3.6 litre Alloytec V6. The engine is modified to run on petrol and LPG, using new valves and hardened valve seats designed for harsher LPG operating conditions.

Based on the Executive variant, the LPG-powered Commodore uses a high-tech system called Sequential Vapour Gas Injection (SVGI), which injects gas directly into the air intake runner, eliminating excess gas circulating through the air intake system.

The system gains further efficiencies by mimicking the petrol injection sequence, which allowed engineers to achieve power and torque figures close to theoretical LPG maximum efficiencies. Like the petrol-only Executive, power is 175kW @ 6000 rpm with 320 Nm of torque @ 2800 rpm.

Consistent with GM Holden’s efficient Alloytec engines, the dual-fuel Executive meets Euro 2 emission standards. LPG fuel economy is 14.4 litres/100km (sedan) and 14.8 litres/100km (wagon). Petrol fuel economy figures remain unchanged at 11.1 litres/100km (sedan) and 11.3 litres/100km (wagon).

Significant development work was undertaken to ensure a seamless transition from petrol to LPG while driving, with no discernable power difference. The LPG system uses petrol on start up, then automatically transfers to LPG, if selected, once the engine has warmed up.

Another advantage of the gas-powered Commodore is one fuel filling point – the gas outlet is located above the petrol cap behind the fuel filler door.

The system is also easy to service and maintain. In addition to GM Holden’s standard maintenance schedule, the dual-fuel system requires an LPG-system service only every 15,000kms, which involves changing two filters and a leak check.

GM Holden National Fleet Manager Simon Carr said the appeal of LPG-powered vehicles is increasing due to LPG’s compliance with all current and future emissions regulations, and the comparatively low cost of LPG.

“There’s more and more interest in LPG vehicles due to the increased cost of petrol.” he said.

“GM Holden’s sophisticated SVGI system produces the same driving characteristics as the petrol-only Commodore and it also has the cost advantage of the cheaper fuel source.”

The dual-fuel VZ Commodore Executive is priced at $37,550 for the sedan and $40,660 for the wagon.

Production of the LPG-powered Commodore begins in October, with GM Holden dealers taking orders from today.

CONTACT(S):
Maya Donevska
(03) 9647 5233 or 0416 006 649
maya.donevska@gm.com

emotive

09-09-2005, 10:43 PM

A stereo with a generic line-in for the MP3 player. If not, an i-pod interface like BMW, mini and many others will have in 2006. I keep looking to see some GM products in the announcements but no sign of them.

If neither of these are going to happen, make an option available for a factory quality DIN insert so we can go buy an aftermarket head uit and still retainan a factory look.

Integrate bluetooth into the stereo so we don't have to buy a hands free kit for the mobile phone. I believe SAAB have done this already.

Turbo Diesel would certainly be seriously considered, especially with oil prices likely to stay high. Make it a strong motor, with heaps of torque, like VW have with the Tourag. Heaps of torque will not come under fire from the press like heaps of power does either. Don't make the diesel the slowest option, like with most other manufacturers.

Dickie Knee

10-09-2005, 01:00 AM

Leave wiring looms in the car even if not used, or make it easy to add some looms so the up spec parts can be used to customize lower spec cars

Perfect example of this is in VZ, where there is no wiring for the binnacle gauge set in LS1 powered cars. heaps of these would have been sold on SS alone.

( I know you can now get a non-holden loom for this )

XsPwr2W8

10-09-2005, 03:53 PM

Stop the boot lids leaking!!!! ARHHHHHHH!! :mad:
:bash:

slash

10-09-2005, 07:58 PM

How about windows that don't squeak and bloody rattle all the time. Everyone else in the world can get it right except for Holden!!

Animal

10-09-2005, 09:02 PM

6. I think Holden service should be told to back off on the mod's department, Holdens biggest customers, us, the people, want a full exhaust, extractors, 3.91 diff ratio, let us have more freedom with warranty and you will sell more cars! Some service departments are ok, others just seem to make up their own guide lines or procedures to work from, why don’t Holden make them, just keep them VERY relaxed! More of us will have more fun, creating a good atmosphere for growth and popularity, especially around here (ls1.com).

Whilst I have purchased 2 new holdens, including my current Monaro ( and owned at least 4 other holdens ) this is by far Holdens worst enemy. Your dealer network for servicing the cars you build, and we love, needs quite a bit of training.

Holden have set a platform for all of us to enhance our cars, and that we do. The amount of aftermarket parts that we purchase is quite large. And I would dare to say that certain Holden staff have a keen eye on this market simply for inclusions on their next model.

Rather than have them place drivetrain warranty alerts on our cars because we changed the exhaust, be reasonable about the mods we fit. The chances are that they will be in the next model anyway and usually without modifying the car to cope with them.

You should also remind them that they are Holden dealers, not Holden head office as they wish to beleive.

Your cars are great, those that you trust to service them leave a lot to be desired.

Ken