Commodore - Diesel Option

[mmciau]

I would like Holden to seriously consider a diesel as an option for the Executive in the VE and beyond.

Surely there are engines from Opel/HEC that could fit the bill.

Mike

[Drizt]

I would like Holden to seriously consider a diesel as an option for the Executive in the VE and beyond.

Surely there are engines from Opel/HEC that could fit the bill.

Mike

if i remember correctly there where versions of the HFV6 developed for diesel

[IgottaLS1]

Current Motor mag has a little bit on this:

"Holden is trialling a diesel engined Commodore... While Holden wouldn't name the manufacturer of the engine, they did admit that it wasn't a car maker. Earlier this year, GM forged links with high-tech diesel-engine specialists VM Motori, when GM Daewoo signed a manufacturing agreement with the Italian company. It just happens that VM Motori has an all-new and quite compact 162Kw/500Nm 3.0-litre V6 turbocharged diesel ready for automotive applications."

Goes on to say that it would make sense to debut this engine in the load carrying commercial range ie: Crewman and ute.

[Sidewindr]

The problem with Diesel powered vehicles in australia is the sulphur content of the diesel fuel. We are slowly getting up to par with the european diesel quality which would mean that the high performance diesel engines that mercedes etc have will be usable in Australia. This is why we don't see any of the high performance diesel stuff in Australia currently.

[Ryzz]

The problem with Diesel powered vehicles in australia is the sulphur content of the diesel fuel. We are slowly getting up to par with the european diesel quality which would mean that the high performance diesel engines that mercedes etc have will be usable in Australia. This is why we don't see any of the high performance diesel stuff in Australia currently.
Dont forget that Diesel is also taxed with massive excises by the government, making it the same price, if not more so than 98RON fuel. This is due to 2 things.
1: When the government tried to start taxing trucks my heavily for using the road, all the trucks went on strike, so they removed the tax and put an excise on diesel instead.

2: (This is a theory not a fact) The government owns all the rail infrastructure, and to ensure that all the trucking companies didnt out compete with the price of shipping via rail, the government put extra taxes on diesel to put trucking companies at a disadvantage. (As i said, this is a theory i heard somewhere so dont flame me).

All that said, it would be great to see some diesel technology make it into australian road cars. Esp on long hauls, the millage leaves petrol for dead, then you've got all that torque.........:drool:

[Holden]

Holden is definitely looking at future options for diesel because there are some real benefits to be had. Some of the issues we need to consider have already been noted, as well as the traditional perception of diesel as a 'dirty farm fuel' still holding place with a lot of Australians. None of these issues are insurmountable, however, so stay tuned.

[IIV8II]

Step one: Talk to fuel distributors: diesel bowsers are grubby, grotty devices...

[Goggles]

Holden is definitely looking at future options for diesel because there are some real benefits to be had. Some of the issues we need to consider have already been noted, as well as the traditional perception of diesel as a 'dirty farm fuel' still holding place with a lot of Australians. None of these issues are insurmountable, however, so stay tuned.

sounds good....having a diesel Patrol makes me appreciate the benefits the diesel offers.

I would buy a diesel Commodore as long as it has 8 cylinders.

[HJCoupe]

I was told from a friend etc :D If the new Euro emission laws became difficult,Holden have considered looking at using BMW diesel engines as an option.Since the BMW's are using the GM auto trans in their range,seems the same can be done for GM vehicles.....

[Sidewindr]

Certainly won't happen for a couple of years until we get the sulphur content in our diesel down to the European standards (Which is planned btw but the refineries need to upgrade I believe).

[clixanup]

Would you be able to run them on biodiesel you've brewed in the backyard?

[V8R]

an SS diesel would suit me down to the ground (and prolly be in production by the time im in the market ;) ), maybe something along the lines of the 6L+ Chev donk often used in hardcore 4X4? G0t torque..... oh, ive always had a soft spot for the sound of a hardworking V8 Diesel (mack V8, Detroit 8v92, ect...)

JM

[Bigmaxy]

I currently drive a CV8 S3 and would def consider a modern turbo diesel
as my next purchase.
Provided the performance was there and I know that it can be.
Audi A8 Tdi Anyone, V8 Twin Turbo Hmmm ;)

[lxhatch]

The problem with Diesel powered vehicles in australia is the sulphur content of the diesel fuel. We are slowly getting up to par with the european diesel quality which would mean that the high performance diesel engines that mercedes etc have will be usable in Australia. This is why we don't see any of the high performance diesel stuff in Australia currently.

hmmm.....I've been driving my CRD for 18months now, BMW and Audi, Volkswagon, have all had their's out for a similar amount of time.
If only the Adventra/Avalanche could match their cruising range :(

Diesel pumps are often messy - lucky you dont have to go there as often :D

[Sidewindr]

The euro diesel engines will all be massivley detuned. We are talking about the performance diesel engines here not the economy low power jobbies.

The sulphur content in aussie diesel is simply too high right now to support the high powered diesels that are available in europe.

[lxhatch]

the 2.7 L = 400nm torque, same as 5000V8
the Bimmers are about 500nm
the crd/did are state of the art diesels
I understand your point about sulphur and I'm not looking for a stoush.
This reply is just so the ppl in here asking for a Holden diesel are aware of what is currently available. :)

[V-Car]

The euro diesel engines will all be massivley detuned. We are talking about the performance diesel engines here not the economy low power jobbies.

The sulphur content in aussie diesel is simply too high right now to support the high powered diesels that are available in europe.

That used to be the case Sidey, but isnt now, or soon wont be.
In WA the standard has been 50 PPM for a while, and this fuel is aleready on sale here and in Brisbane and some parts of QLD.
Should be available Australia wide late this year or Jan 2006.

http://www.bp.com.au/products/fuels/bp_ecoultra/eco.asp?menuid=ed

[SV99]

Certainly won't happen for a couple of years until we get the sulphur content in our diesel down to the European standards (Which is planned btw but the refineries need to upgrade I believe).


Jan 2006 is the date for low sulphur diesel. BP i think have started selling a version of it.

[Sidewindr]

Yeah as I said it's coming :)

[SV99]

If they had a Turbo V8 Diesel ute i would get one tommorow that would haul ass!!

[vh-holden]

if i'm posted out bush as a teacher, i'll probably need to get a diesel vehicle as petrol isnt' allowed in some communities. if holden would oblige by putting a diesel v8 into an addventra, my dreams of a starr performance sc adventra can still happen.

[lxhatch]

if i'm posted out bush as a teacher, i'll probably need to get a diesel vehicle as petrol isnt' allowed in some communities. if holden would oblige by putting a diesel v8 into an addventra, my dreams of a starr performance sc adventra can still happen.

I agree....if they could source a mill like the new 3l V6 turbo diesel Daimler Chrysler - 160kw, 500nm @ 1800 revs - that would be awesome in an Adventra.
Same accelleration as V8 but twice the cruising range and more beer money left over after filing up :D

[DK-3800]

insurance companies probably wouldnt sting you as hard for a diesel vehicle either.

[Evil LS1]

If they had a Turbo V8 Diesel ute i would get one tommorow that would haul ass!!


Mercedes is releasing a 3L triturbo V6 diesel with around 230kW and 750Nm.
Now a 5L Twinturbo V8 diesel say putting out 300kW and 850Nm would be very nice

[VYSV8]

The new Range Rover TD V8 would be awsome in a lighter car. A 3.6L twin turbo diesel V8 making 200KW and 640NM of torque.

That'd be a beast in something Commodre sized!!

[ssberlina]

The new Range Rover TD V8 would be awsome in a lighter car. A 3.6L twin turbo diesel V8 making 200KW and 640NM of torque.

That'd be a beast in something Commodre sized!!

These are very similar figures to the new landcruiser twin turbo diesel V8 engine coming in the landcruiser november of this year.

I wish they bumped up the size for the commodore. 200kw and 630 nm is the go :D

[V-Car]

The new Range Rover TD V8 would be awsome in a lighter car. A 3.6L twin turbo diesel V8 making 200KW and 640NM of torque.

That'd be a beast in something Commodre sized!!

As good as it is, alot of people on here wouldnt be too happy to have a Ford engine in their Commodore. ;)

[madmonaro]

Would this be a possibilty for Commodore in next couple of years?
http://puregreencars.com/Green-Cars-News/Clean-Diesel/Light-Duty-V-8-Clean-Diesel-from-GM.html

[JohnS]

Now a 5L Twinturbo V8 diesel say putting out 300kW and 850Nm would be very nice

God is listening... :)

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070615/FREE/70615005/1530/FREE

General Motors announced it will build a turbocharged 4.5-liter Duramax clean diesel V8 making in excess of 310 hp and 520-lb-ft of torque for use in light-duty trucks and Hummer H2s built after 2009.The engine will have four valves per cylinder and dual overhead cams. The heads will be aluminum with integrated manifolds. The turbocharger will have variable vanes and an intercooler. The new, stiffer block will be made of Compact Graphite Iron, which is heavier than aluminum but lighter than grey cast iron, GM said.

[cm_ls1]

this is the up and coming v6 diesel for the commodore , its already signed off for the CTS .

2.9l v6 turbo 250hp, 409ft-lbs for cars
http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200703/GMC2007030582753_PV.jpg click for massive pic (http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/X09PT_6C001.jpg?download=036566)

[Carbon]

I think you will find that new Sulphur content regs are already at 50ppm.
This represents a significant drop from previous 500ppm.

Recent big gains in power and torque out of euro cars are not new developments but manufacturers winding up fueling systems that could not cope with previous dirty diesel. Eg. BMWX5 - torque on latest model is up 20% with same motor - now over 500Nm.

I have a mate with 2 cars both diesel in Poland - both go like stink and still get high end only 10Ltr/100Klm.
He has BMW 530Xd (3 litre straight six twin turbo all wheel drive - 550Nm)
She has Audi A6 30d (3 litre v6 twin turbo quatro - 500Nm)

But I gotta say driving my Munro is more fun (between servos).

[agp]

Id like a diesel in the Adventra

[Rosemount36]

I have been driving a Peugeot 406 HDi 2.0l diesel for the last three years and in spite of the (generally) higher diesel fuel prices - (which I do not understand given the lower refining costs of diesel) I have achieved a 20% cost saving in fuel vis-a-vis an equivalent ULP engine, Granted I am down on performance but I am definitely far better off in torque. If Holden had a diesel engine in the commodore (especially the SV6 in purple) I would buy it tomorrow. Will Holden be coming to the party in this respect soon? I am sure they are missing out on a big slice of the future market. Oh! and by the way I have yet to experience a bowser that is "smelly and greasy" - I have no problem at all. I also feel more "environmentally friendly" since the diesel is far better than the ULP engines in terms of CO2 emissions. One final point - if Holden do introduce a 3.0L V6 diesel you would have V8 torque with 4 cylinder fuel consumption.

[Porkster]

I would be interested within a diesel option would be benefical, I think it may be worth Holden building a demo which would test the market

[teamkiwi]

Commodore and Hummer to receive bullocking new V6 turbo-diesel within 18 months

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/EFC0A14DCD1725B8CA2573E0001AA4B7

[Fnomna]

V6 turbo-diesel within 18 months confirmed! Sort of.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/EFC0A14DCD1725B8CA2573E0001AA4B7

Group vice-president for GM Powertrain Thomas Stephens confirmed the Australian Holden-developed Zeta architecture has been engineered to take the new V6 diesel. “The V6 VMM diesel will package into the Zeta platform,” Mr Stephens said.


Might be getting our hopes up, since there is no definite mention of it actually going ahead for a Commodore.

[Chris'R8Clubby]

i agree it wud be much more cheaper and efficient

[msitter@bellsou]

I have read here in the US a lot about the new Duramax 4.5l diesel V8. It has a 72 degree bank angle to be more compact than the bigger 6.0l Duramax. It is supposed to fit anywhere a LS series V8 will fit. Interesting.