When is there 2 much power 4 the street?

[keen]

With the forthcoming turbo kits and 6lt LS2 and stroker kits all becomeing available, im wondering when if at all you can have to much power to drive on the street?I understand you can adjust your driveing style (have a lighter right foot)but it would shit me if I were unable to mash my foot without massive wheel spin.Ive seen planb in that cappa ute going down the strip ,every gear spinning wheels , it makes a car look like its constantly driveing on a wet road.
Lets say for arguments sake you had a 400rwkw stroker,vers a forced induc.with 400kw, is traction more of a problem with the FI car?I realise as well a cars set up will way into all this ie suspension etc. I have 300 rwkw and it pulls not bad but its still a slug of the mark , im hopeing a little FI will fix this . But I dont wont to have to adjust my driveing style to much.I get the impression with lots of mumbo to go faster you have to drive more restricted. So when is lots of power to much for the street.
Thoughts peoples?

[Ben Salmon]

Ive got 300 at the treads too and im over it, im getting the twins and i hope that they will make me happy. otherwise i could end up being single.

[Sonnymad]

Ive got 300 at the treads too and im over it, im getting the twins and i hope that they will make me happy. otherwise i could end up being single.


:lol: :lol: :lol: ...i think everyones gettin that bug ;)

[Clubsport R8]

Enough ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: horsepower is never enough for me !

[YIIR8]

Don't know what I've got at the treads atm, but it's definitely enough for me !!! any more power would be totally useless for a daily street driven car, going through tyres like there's no tommorrow, can't believe alot of blokes are chasing more ponies :box: ..........ok........mums stopped looking over my shoulder.......I'm gonna refresh my cunning account as it's a bit low atm and go the stroker route, although, all with all these T's and S/C combo's floating around, decisions.....decisions...... :lol: :lol:

Shit.......she's coming back...............

[LX346]

I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again.
I'd rather have a car with 350HP (example) that hooks and goes and can cut mid 12's all day long, then a car with 600HP that just wheel spins and can't hook and only run 13's.
I 1/4 mile as the car gets driven to the track, on street tyres full of air, no removing weight etc.

But I've seen it before, big blower commodores with 500HP on the street, along side a new 200sx with an exhaust, lights go green commodore is going up in smoke and the 200sx is 100 metres down the road. I wouldnt be happy with that, but the owner brags he does have 500HP, even though the other guy with his 170kw chopped him.

[CarlFST60L]

Keen, i'd love to see the beast with a TT kit from APS :D

[Speedy Gonzales]

I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again.
I'd rather have a car with 350HP (example) that hooks and goes and can cut mid 12's all day long, then a car with 600HP that just wheel spins and can't hook and only run 13's.
I 1/4 mile as the car gets driven to the track, on street tyres full of air, no removing weight etc.

But I've seen it before, big blower commodores with 500HP on the street, along side a new 200sx with an exhaust, lights go green commodore is going up in smoke and the 200sx is 100 metres down the road. I wouldnt be happy with that, but the owner brags he does have 500HP, even though the other guy with his 170kw chopped him.

Spot on, I would prefer a daily driver that runs 12s and still be able to get the power down in the wet.

[Kirium]

So when is lots of power to much for the street.
Thoughts peoples?

When Harold Scruby tells us it's too much.... :rolleyes: :mad: Fu€kwit...

[ProVK]

Never Enough Power

Its all in the control of the right foot.

[Mongy]

Never Enough Power

Its all in the control of the right foot.
I agree, I never have enough whether it's 2 wheels or 4, I'm just never allowed to have any more :lol:

[chevypower]

If it does 0-100 in under a second, and has a top speed in 4 digits... it's probably too powerful for the street.

[MNR-0]

Mid 12s, great hooking launches all without the need to go to extremes. Thats ideal. Thing is, these LS1s can do high 11s in that category.

[SS346]

you can never have enough ;)

[HRT Stroker]

When the car can't be purposely driven within the limits of the tyres and more importantly brakes!!!

Power is about control and balance, if it is to be able to be "used".........

[KeenGolfer]

It's too much IMO when you have to temper the throttle to stop from crossing lanes when you put the foot down, or are worried if you give it a squirt you might end up around a tree! That would depend on factors such as what vehicle type (eg ute couldn't handle as much power as a wagon), tyres, suspension etc.

350 rwkw and lots of torque (as in my stroker) seem to be perfectly fine for the street in my wagon. However 400 rwkw might be too much - hard to say without having it :)

[keen]

Whos Howard Scrubby and Whos a f...wit?

[keen]

Hey Drew good to see your still alive :)

[group 3]

When the car can't be purposely driven within the limits of the tyres and more importantly brakes!!!

Power is about control and balance, if it is to be able to be "used".........

I agree.

While the manufacturers have steadily been increasing power outputs they've also been improving braking and handling along with the electronic safety nets ie traction control, ABS, EBD etc.

The aftermarket guys are making big power these days but provided the rest of the car is upgraded to suit who knows where it'll end?!!

[OLS108]

i have only had my Stock LS1 for a month and upgrading from a VS V6 i knew that 225kw was a big power increase but i knew my misses knew and me mum knew the car was always going to make more then that in a few weeks/months. so i will be happy for about 300-330 kws but who knows what the future will bring maybe a TT ls1 might find its way under the bonnet !

[BlownCV8]

380wrkw is awsome as an every day driver...........428rwkw is better.

It will take 3 lanes to controll it if driven like an idiot, and yes i could possibly be beatten by a lesser car on the street......but wheather we like it or not, to race on the street with that sort of power is silly......

It is more about getting in and having fun, getting out with a huge smile. I have had many a run to the speed limit, tyres ablaze and still chopped many a car....just makes it all the more fun to see the jaws drop as it goes sailing past at full currie.

in street trim at the drags a 12.4........and yes smoked in to 3rd (A4)......

on the street it gets driven hard but always with the limits of me and the conditions at the time.........the way we should all be driving no matter what the power level.

[YIIR8]

Whos Howard Scrubby and Whos a f...wit?

Howard Scrubby's the f...wit :box:

[Kirium]

Whos Howard Scrubby and Whos a f...wit?

Harold Scruby is the fu€kwit.... who is he you ask??

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=31377
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=29943
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=29135

or google him...

[ROGUE]

When the car can't be purposely driven within the limits of the tyres and more importantly brakes!!!

Power is about control and balance, if it is to be able to be "used".........

The limits of the driver is a big factor too.... :confused:

[SL/ENut]

When a car can't get grip in any weather conditions.

[ROGUE]

If the car has too much power to grip, i'm sure someone will invent a new tyre that can.... :rolleyes:

[SSbaby]

Well, if Holden pull their finger out and build an LS2 Torana I will definitely be content to run with an unopened engine. I'd spend more on chassis/brakes and less on engine.

My engine almost scares me when I give it WOT...but I drive it within my limits. It's not quite as easy to launch anymore - it's something I miss about the unopened engine.

My main concern with having so much torque on tap is blowing up components!

Having said that, I have driven a stock VZ V8 recently and it did feel so underpowered and a little unexciting compared to my wheels.

[Nawdy]

When it becomes undriveable on the street because of the HP

[GM350]

Hopefully in the Future I'll be looking to up grade from my 220rwkwLS1 to a VE LS2 stroker with a great deal of torque over 600nm.
You can never have enough torque.

[Swordie]

I was reading somewhere in the last few days that HSV thought the current V chassis is pushing its limits in the amount of power it can handle.

[keen]

Its a tricky one to work out this one as different people have very different oppinions as to when a car is unstreetable.Can anyone tell me if a FI car will have more traction problems than say a stroker , both cars with same rwkw?Obviously tuna and APS believe 350 - 400 rwkw is still a very streetable amount of power . So what isnt 450 - 500 - 600 rwkw?

[KeenGolfer]

Its a tricky one to work out this one as different people have very different oppinions as to when a car is unstreetable.Can anyone tell me if a FI car will have more traction problems than say a stroker , both cars with same rwkw?Obviously tuna and APS believe 350 - 400 rwkw is still a very streetable amount of power . So what isnt 450 - 500 - 600 rwkw?
In my case, I found I had traction problems with the blower on, but a lot less with the stroker (even though stroker has more torque). Might be because the boost comes on harder on a FI car - not sure. I have got better rear tyres now, so that would help somewhat but I still think I would have less traction issues now even with the same tyres as before.

[keen]

This is one problem I see with these turbo kits , ie full boost at around 2500rpm , wot and its ice scateing time again.

[RICHO]

Too much power for the street???

Very simple IMO.

Someone has too much power for the street when they are too irresponsible to use it safely and wisely.

A careful, "aware" and responsible driver in a HIGHLY modified car, who is aware of what his vehicle can do and how it behaves is a far safer driver than an ignorant (arrogant??) driver who drives their car beyond its (and their!!) capabilities. And the latter category can apply to people regardless of the car they drive. There are people out there driving Datsun 120Y's that have too much power for the street, just as there are people runnig around in 600+ hp units that I would happily support having more power again.

Cars don't make themselves speed, they don't make themselves drive recklessly and they sure don't make themselves drive in a manner that is inappropriate for the conditions. Only the man (or woman) behind the wheel can do that.

[turbo king]

When the car can't be purposely driven within the limits of the tyres and more importantly brakes!!!

Power is about control and balance, if it is to be able to be "used".........

Spot on!All the other major performance factors such as handling,tyres and brakes should be upgraded as the power output increases.

[keen]

Good post RICHO. Would have to agree on all points.

[MNR-0]

Too much power for the street is when you wrap it around a tree due ti negligent driving. Infact, the question should be:

when is there 2 much power 4 the driver?

[Space Pope]

Too much power is barely enough ;) if you can't put it down, sort your drivetrain, suspension and tyres :D

I think it's how the car drives that dictates when enough is enough. Your tolerance for piggish behaviour ,non-linear ('on or off') power delivery and cooling problems in day to day conditions is the best indicator of when a good street car finally turns bad.

That's a very individual thing too. One bloke might have a car he thinks is a lovely drive only to have his best mate come back after driving it saying it is a cantankerous piece of crap that bucks and snorts and punches raw fuel out the tailpipe. One man's meat is another man's poison.

Seat of pants is your only true indicator.