Typhoon/Tornado or LS2

[malur8260]

Hi all,
I'm half thinking of looking into purchasing a Z series Maloo R8, BUT I think I would have to test drive a Typhoon (tornado) ute first to make sure it's the right decision.

A few pros for each:
Z Series Maloo
-Looks better than the FPV (In my opinion)
-More power
-Is HSV
-Possibly more street cred

Typhoon
-More torque
-Ute is cheaper than Maloo R8
-Probably easy to get even more power out of...

Cons for each:
Maloo
-Expensive
-Don't like the styling as much as Y series (IMO but maybe biased)
-Don't know how easy to tune yet (anyone got any info)
-First model with LS2, hopefully no probs
-Doesn't come in Hothouse (Current ride is hothouse and I don't know that impulse stands out as much)

Typhoon
-Ute looks crap, like most ford utes (gap between cab and tray looks messy)
-Not a V8
-Has a blue oval badge
-Unproven resale

Or I could keep the VY Maloo and save the money and potential heartache, what do you guys reakon???

(Sorry for the massive post!)

[vzsv6]

Typhoon
-Ute looks crap, like most ford utes (gap between cab and tray looks messy)
-Not a V8
-Has a blue oval badge
-Unproven resale


I think you've answered your own question. Go the Maloo

[Mongy]

You're asking us, who are mostly LS1 owners and lovers, if you should buy a Ford 6 cylinder.............. :confused:

[efto]

I was thinking about buying a new VZ maloo/ maloo r8 but have decided to wait for the VE.

I am hoping that the Ve should be a vast improvement in suspension and chassis, and of course engine. At a guess the ve r8 maloo will have about 320kw, and have the upgraded 6 piston ap racing brakes, standard.

If you cant wait i would go the r8 maloo but thats just my opionion. Better resale / easier to sell in 3 to 4 years time and better stret cred.

[LSX-438]

Tornado and Typhoon are rather an unknown quantity at the moment, and with tornado deliveries a few months off..

Btw have you got any pics of the Ute other than the single FPV photo? Are you planning on any mods? Will be interesting to see how far the aftermarket guys can take the FPV 6T, it could get pretty interesting.

[malur8260]

Tornado and Typhoon are rather an unknown quantity at the moment, and with tornado deliveries a few months off..

Btw have you got any pics of the Ute other than the single FPV photo? Are you planning on any mods? Will be interesting to see how far the aftermarket guys can take the FPV 6T, it could get pretty interesting.


I've only seen the pics from FPV (In wheels) and also pics in and ad for the whole range in Motor I think.
I wouldn't go nuts on mods, especially if I got an LS2 probably just the usual bolt ons ie headers, zorst, intake and if the can be tuned in the same sort of way as LS1's a tune would be good but I wouldn't go any further than that.

To be honest I can't really see myself getting an FPV coz I know deep down that I would see a HSV drive past and think to myself "I just want one", whereas I can't see the FPV envoking that sort of feeling.

Still, I might take both for a drive and decide to stick with what I've got for financial reasons!

efto also makes a valid point about advancements with VE but you can't hold off for every new model or you'll never buy a car!

[Mongy]

To be honest I can't really see myself getting an FPV coz I know deep down that I would see a HSV drive past and think to myself "I just want one", whereas I can't see the FPV envoking that sort of feeling.
I think you have answered the question yourself. I know I had a go at you for asking but seriously the Typhoon ute is good value for the price. You only have to read all the specs to know that Ford will win a heap of sales for it, but, as you said, it is not a HSV. There are a lot of people out there who won't care about that and who have no brand loyalty so they will want what they consider the best value and the Typhoon certainly has an impressive specification list for the asking price.

[Danv8]

The F6 is an impressive package in itself but it does not have the sound of a V8 and the sound of an V8 wins me over. But its up to you really.

[leezels]

im a ford man but also admire nice commodores so dont bag me too much.
as for ure decision it would basically come down to fuel economy and bang for buck. thsoe typhoons will hammer hard and when modified will hammer alot of gen3's and 4's. but i agree that the maloo looks alot nicer and meaner.
guys have already got 1000hp out of the xr6t motor so theres no doubt its capable. peosonly id get the typhoon hands down due to its potential and lower fuel bill. guys have hit 10's in the xr6t's with standard internals and just a bigger turbo & cooler.
good luck with ure choice mate

[Danv8]

im a ford man but also admire nice commodores so dont bag me too much.
as for ure decision it would basically come down to fuel economy and bang for buck. thsoe typhoons will hammer hard and when modified will hammer alot of gen3's and 4's. but i agree that the maloo looks alot nicer and meaner.
guys have already got 1000hp out of the xr6t motor so theres no doubt its capable. peosonly id get the typhoon hands down due to its potential and lower fuel bill. guys have hit 10's in the xr6t's with standard internals and just a bigger turbo & cooler.
good luck with ure choice mate


I don't think there would be much difference in fuel economy between the Typhoon and the HSV Maloo.

[LSX-438]

I don't think there would be much difference between fuel economy between both the Typhoon and the HSV Maloo.

i'd second that, there would ne next to nothing in it. cane either around town and you will be looking at around 20l/100km easy.

[Wezza]

efto also makes a valid point about advancements with VE but you can't hold off for every new model or you'll never buy a car!
You own a VY Maloo, it isn't exactly an old car!! :confused: VE isn't exactly a REALLY long time away. I reckon wait for the VE, but hey, it's not my car. :)

[Aus8]

I hope you have posted this same topic in fordforums.com and/or fordxr6turbo.com as Its a bit silly if not as you know what most of us here are going to say :D

At the end of the day you cant go wrong with either car. I love my V8's but everyone knows the Turbo 6 Ford is a trick piece of kit thats for sure!

Just take both for extended test drives and make your mind up that way.


Cheers

Aus8

[GTS JaZzA]

With the Typhoon, all the mods that'd you'd wanna do are practically already done. Any mod you'd do to it would kinda just be spending money on what ford have changed from the XR6T. The 6's also have no Edit that will ever be available that im aware of, so their goes that option. As opposed to the LS 2 which im sure people wil try to Edit. Also with the HSV you get a whole tonne of cred with that baby. If you dont lik ethe look of the Typhoon either just got a XR6T and spend the money you save on those mods, seeings how you'd just throw away the extra money you spent on it if you moddedt the typhoon.

thats jsut my 2 cents (maybe more like 10cents anyway :P)

[leezels]

yeah i agree with that. also i agree that the typhoon will drink the fuel if driven hard but if u keep it under 3000rpm u should be right. the xr6t uses just a tad more than the standard 6cyl falcon so i dont see how 20L/100km can come out of the typhoon. i might be wrong but it doesnt seem right with me

[LSX-438]

There are plenty of threads on FF and XR6T suggesting 20l/100 for hard city driving is not unexpected (same as an SS). If you drive like grandma you can get it down to perhaps half that, same for the ls1.

The pulished government fuel consumption numbers for the typhoon/tornado are the same as HSV (14l/100km) however we all know those are not exactly realistic for everyday use including a few WOTs here and there.

Do the numbers on lease costs; insurance, ctp, rego, petrol and maintenance.. you're spending about $1200+ a month on a $60k car, plus loosing that again on depreciation.. big picture: petrol is a minor cost.

As for mods, do a search for 'billet' and/or 'conrod' on FF and xr6t forums and you will find some info on the anticipated modification potential for the typhoon (granted it doesnt have billet rods but anyway). The aftermarket scene for 6T's is getting huge, and beefed up internals, cai, clutch, intercooler etc have relevant potential if you want to go further. The mods I would anticipate are certainly not done with the typhoon from my perspective, there is potential there, and the tuning options are not limited as suggested.

[Connolly]

I've had a BA futura company car for about six months, the absolute best fuel consumption I could get was 11.9/100 on the freeway and 13.6/100 on the country roads. Average each week was in the 15-16/100 vicinity. The typhoon is going to be more than this, so I would even speculate that the typhoon would chew even more fuel than the LS2. Personally I would stick with the VY and wait to see what VE brings.

[chops]

.......The 6's also have no Edit that will ever be available that im aware of, so their goes that option......

Actually, that is incorrect. There is the ability to tune the factory Ford PCM of all the BA series, which will be available to consumers shortly.

[RICHO]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the LS2 currently doesn't even have extractors?? (Think it was mentioned in the latest Wheels or Motor), so automatically there's a few extra kws and an even better exhaust note. Cheap easy mod right there.

As an FF I have to agree that the HSV utes are much better looking than FPV's offerings. On the sedan side it's a different story IMO but ute wise....

I'd find it hard to go past the R8 if I was looking at a ute.

Just remember, while buying a car should be all about your head, driving one is all about your heart and how you feel when you get behind the wheel. So if you think for even a second that you'll be behind the wheel of a Tornado wishing you'd gone the LS2 path, you taking a huge chunck of fun out of your new car. Go the R8.

[Nobby]

Hi all,
I'm half thinking of looking into purchasing a Z series Maloo R8, BUT I think I would have to test drive a Typhoon (tornado) ute first to make sure it's the right decision.

A few pros for each:
Z Series Maloo
-Looks better than the FPV (In my opinion)
-More power
-Is HSV
-Possibly more street cred

Typhoon
-More torque
-Ute is cheaper than Maloo R8
-Probably easy to get even more power out of...

Cons for each:
Maloo
-Expensive
-Don't like the styling as much as Y series (IMO but maybe biased)
-Don't know how easy to tune yet (anyone got any info)
-First model with LS2, hopefully no probs
-Doesn't come in Hothouse (Current ride is hothouse and I don't know that impulse stands out as much)

Typhoon
-Ute looks crap, like most ford utes (gap between cab and tray looks messy)
-Not a V8
-Has a blue oval badge
-Unproven resale

Or I could keep the VY Maloo and save the money and potential heartache, what do you guys reakon???

(Sorry for the massive post!)

This is the dumbest post I've seen in a while. You've clearly already made you mind up. Why ask? And on this board of all places?

[malur8260]

Thanks for the replies guys, good to see everyone on here can see the positives of the ford product even if we all are clearly favourable to the LS1/2.

And like most people have mentioned I suppose I have made up my mind, just wanted to know everyones opinions on both cars.

Now it's probably down to whether to be sensible and wait for the more refined VE or go the VZ.

[malur8260]

This is the dumbest post I've seen in a while. You've clearly already made you mind up. Why ask? And on this board of all places?

Geez mate, sorry to offend ya! :eek:

[SSbaby]

Why ask? And on this board of all places?

Nobby, you're being a little harsh. People on this forum have shown that they could be quite objective in their appraisal when cars from other manufacturers are concerned.

BTW, why are you here?

[RICHO]

This is the dumbest post I've seen in a while. You've clearly already made you mind up. Why ask? And on this board of all places?

Main Entry: Public Forum
Function: noun
A place that has a long-standing tradition of being used for, is historically associated with, or has been dedicated to the free exercise of the right to speech and public debate and assembly

Can't bag you for expressing your right to "free speech" but I think you fail to understand the concept of a Public Forum

[malur8260]

Thanks RICHO. SSbaby I thought the same as you guys about this being a Public forum!
Quite a few people have replied, so it's obviously a topic alot of us have opinions on and that's all I was interested in, peoples opinions on two great cars!


By the way RICHO I think you're right about the LS2 not running extractors as you posted before, that should certainly be an easy way of getting a few more kw's!

[SSbaby]

Thanks RICHO. SSbaby I thought the same as you guys about this being a Public forum!
Quite a few people have replied, so it's obviously a topic alot of us have opinions on and that's all I was interested in, peoples opinions on two great cars!

Try the same public forum over at FF. It should be fun... things have been quiet over there of late! :lol:

[ROGUE]

you think the ford ute looks crap, yet you're still willing to purchase one....???

maybe you should get an excel. :lol:

[NiSSAN_GTiR]

Personally its a boost thing.

Having raced agianst both cars Prediscesors i would love to go for a spin in the typhoon. The XR6T pulled alot harder in 3rd then the LS1 powered cars.
VY SS's are no problem, but so far havn't had too much luck against the XR6T's.

I would go the boosted option all the way. You can't beat the sound of a Spooling turbo, combined with an external wastegate :). The boosted engine would be just as easy to make power from small mods as your GEN's ;)

[Brendan24688]

im a ford man but also admire nice commodores so dont bag me too much.
as for ure decision it would basically come down to fuel economy and bang for buck. thsoe typhoons will hammer hard and when modified will hammer alot of gen3's and 4's. but i agree that the maloo looks alot nicer and meaner.
guys have already got 1000hp out of the xr6t motor so theres no doubt its capable. peosonly id get the typhoon hands down due to its potential and lower fuel bill. guys have hit 10's in the xr6t's with standard internals and just a bigger turbo & cooler.
good luck with ure choice mate


Umm just one little error. Nizpro have tuned a turbs to 1223HP (913RWKW??).
But i have read that it achieved over 1600HP, but that 1223 was straight off their website.


just thought i would let you know :D :cool:

[BA$TAD]

It seems you had already made your decision but just needed to justify it. If spending the extra money will gurantee you a smile all the time then go for it dude. The VZ maloo is a nice looking ute, can't deny that at all. I personally like the Ford utes better (it is the gap between the cabin and tray that i like). Anyway drive them both see what you think. You cannot go wrong really. Both are good cars :cool:

[RATT]

Each to there own in terms of looks. I think the Maloo is overdone, SS looks awesome in comparison. Typhoon looks the goods too,and easy power upgrades.
Either way you really can't go wrong.

Regarding fuel economy, my 1500km old XR6T sedan with 231.3rwkw is getting 14.5l/100 around town with some WOT everyday! :cool:

[Nobby]

Yeah, my reply WAS harsh, but his post was mindless, looksy:


Z Series Maloo
-Is HSV
-Possibly more street cred

These are just silly reasons. Nuff said.


Typhoon
-Ute looks crap, like most ford utes (gap between cab and tray looks messy)
-Not a V8
-Has a blue oval badge

It's clear he already knows what he wants. Why not just skip to the purchase and post pics of his new HSV beast?

And why am I here? For the intelligent and insightful automotive discussions. :D

[RICHO]

And why am I here? For the intelligent and insightful automotive discussions. :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Love it!!

[Dacious]

Yeah, my reply WAS harsh, but his post was mindless, looksy:

These are just silly reasons. Nuff said.

They're his reasons, so for you to call them silly, is just, well silly! You're sure going to change his mind with this diplomacy! :rolleyes:


And why am I here? For the intelligent and insightful automotive discussions. :D

Ah come on, you're a Ford owner posting to a Holden board. Kid yourself if you like, you just wanna bite at anyone who bags your car! :D :

FWIW, I thing the XR series are very handsome cars, and I agree that the Typhoon hasn't done anything looks-wise to beat them. Neither, in my opoinion, and it's only my opinion, do the HSVs beat the VYs or Monaro for looks.

As far as the Typhoon 'owning' anything, I think that's a little premature. As each XR-variant has been released, the roadtesters rave about how it's going to cream the competition. The XR6T, the XR8, the FPVs. Then in A/B testing it just fails to happen for some reason....... Colour me sceptical, but if the Typhoon is all that it should dispatch anything but a GTS.

And sorry, FPV doesn't (yet) have the cachet or pulling power of HSV, and while the cars struggle to spank stock Holdens, let alone HSVs, that won't change.

IMO Ford should've spent some of the budget lightening the car which would've paid bigger dividends than trying to beat V8 power with a 6. Imagine if they'd fronted with c-f bonnet, alloy suspension members, stripped interior. They have the GT as the Grand Tourer - this could have been the knarly hard-mans' car.

The Typhoon will pull sales from the WRX/Evo set - yeah right. Maybe from the Liberty.

Too big, too heavy, too ponderous, too many dollars to buy, too hard to mod, too Grand Tourer; not circuit racer. It won't even be on the puff-heads radar.

[BA$TAD]

too hard to mod

what is hard to modify? the xr6t is doing well in the modification area..the typhoon is essentially the XR6T engine with a few changes to the engine. or do you know something no one else does?

[Dacious]

what is hard to modify? the xr6t is doing well in the modification area..the typhoon is essentially the XR6T engine with a few changes to the engine. or do you know something no one else does?

No, but I bet compared to a WRX/Evo it is. I also bet, like the LS2, there's less tuning potential left in the F6 as it has more power to start with compared to the XR6T, due to running closer to the wind. You can only wick up boost so far on street petrol. As someone pointed out, you could get 1,000hp but if the engine lasts 20,000km that would likely not be acceptable to customers paying top-dollar for a car.

Why didn't Ford raise the rev limit of the Typhoon, for instance - seems logical as revs x torque = hp? Probably because with higher boost and more revs came durability/longevity issues in their testing, and unlike third party tuners they have longterm warranty and resale issues to contend with.

[RICHO]

And sorry, FPV doesn't (yet) have the cachet or pulling power of HSV, and while the cars struggle to spank stock Holdens, let alone HSVs, that won't change.

As much as I like the cars personally, I still get amused when people talk "cachet" when it comes to HSV / FPV.

Because IMO despite the marketing hype any "cachet" they have exists almost exclusively in their traditional buyer demographic. Broadly speaking Ford Fans regard FPV cars as aspirational and Holden Fans regard HSV's cars as aspirational. It is not (with the odd exception) a broader market cachet that exists in the minds of the buyers of the Euro sports buyers.

All FPV need to worry about therefore is that their cars are (or become) the aspirational vehicles for people that currently buy standard ford models. Any buyers that come from other categories are simply a bonus. If they achieve that they have all the cachet they need. And a cachet that equals that of HSV....unless people actually believe the drivel that gets peddled by marketers.

I love Fords and would love an F6, its definitely on my shopping list (unless the "Financial Controller" gets her way of course, damn her euro lovin hyde). I admire also admire what HSV have achieved over an extended period primarily because they started the home grown performance V8 market and have made it successful, forcing Ford to respond (albeit belatedly!!) But I don't believe that either is a serious Euro competitor in terms of image or "cachet".

Just my 2 cents of course..

[VZMALOO]

I currently own a VY Maloo, and i am awaiting my new VZ R8, i ordered it sight unseen and obviously not driven, back in Febuary this year.
I wanted and i got #1 built, to me it will be a bi t nestolga,owning the first one.
I was a Ford driver for 15 years, i had XY, right through to XF.
I saw the light when i saw the VT, and bought a VT Calais, since then i bougt, a VX Calais, and now my HSV Y Series Maloo.

To me there is no comparasion, HSV looks so much hotter, sexier, tougher than any Ford.
As for fuel economy i do alot of highway driving, and i am getting about 11.5 litres per 100 k's, not bad i think, my new 6 speed will get better than that still.

It comes to a personal choice, but for me i will always go the HSV.

Cheers

[SSbaby]

VZMaloo,

Let me congratulate you on your purchase! You are indeed a wise man and the envy of most here with your LS2! :D

Let us know how it treats ya!

[Ghia351]

I've had a BA futura company car for about six months, the absolute best fuel consumption I could get was 11.9/100 on the freeway and 13.6/100 on the country roads. Average each week was in the 15-16/100 vicinity. The typhoon is going to be more than this, so I would even speculate that the typhoon would chew even more fuel than the LS2. Personally I would stick with the VY and wait to see what VE brings.

I hope the company paid for the fuel. As a current owner of such a vehicle the trip computer currently reads ave: 13.5L/100km @ 28km/h so its lately been doing only local shopping type stop-start traffic and driving between bayside and CBD if lucky. Got the instant reading up to 56l/100km but that's another story. Last trip to Lorne & back with car loaded, the instant reading ranged between 7.6-8.9l/100km with cruise used the whole way even to increase speed. Your country figure looks way too high as I'd imagine you would be mostly cruising. What was your average speed reading at the time?The Typhoon is almost 50% more powerful, it better use more fuel or somethings wrong.

[Connolly]

Yeah, it seems pretty high to me aswell. Lucky I dont pay for the fuel I guess, but it does definately chew it. I also own a vortech powered V6 commodore which seems to run on par with it for fuel consumtion. Most my driving is in 70-100 km zones in hilly / windy road and a bit of stop start stuff in the city. I have never had it go under 11l/100 and I even tried my guts out to see how low I could get it for 2 weeks by absolutely nursing it and 11.9 was the best with average speed of 58km. The car has only just cracked 15k and I have had a winge about it and the sevice centre thinks nothing is wrong. I know what you mean by the instantaneous consumption, I have had it touch close to 70l wringing the tits off it uphill.

[ozzyjim]

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