Bracks wants to speed limit our cars and our speedo's! (merged thread)

[Smitty]

announced today....
by our Premier Bracks...

The Victorian government wants to restrict speedometers on all new cars in Australia at 130kph.

Victorian Premier Steve Bracks said Transport Minister Peter Batchelor would submit the proposal to the Australian Transport Council, a meeting of state and federal transport ministers, in Brisbane next Friday.

The debate over speed has been reignited by Ford Performance Vehicles' release of a turbocharged six-cylinder Falcon - the Typhoon - which is capable of well over 200kph.

Mr Bracks told radio 3AW today the plan to peg speedometers was the first step in a campaign to impose a limit on top speed.

He said Mr Batchelor would call for speedometers to be restricted to "something close to 130kph so you don't have the immediate temptation or incentive" to see how fast the car goes.

"That will be the first step, and obviously if there's further action to be taken, that can be determined in discussion at the Australian Transport Council," Mr Bracks said.
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"But I think it's a good first step. I think it's an important step."

The new speedo limits would require a change to the Australian Design Rules for motor vehicles - the rules manufacturers must meet to have their cars registered for use on Australian roads.

"This is one anomaly really that's there - if you can't go at 240kph, why have you got 240 on the speedo," Mr Bracks said.

"That's the issue, really. Why have that incentive? Why have that inducement if you like, and why have that as part of a broader advertising campaign that you can market these as cars that can go at these extraordinary speeds."


as I said...good one Ford! :bash:

[SSbaby]

Don't blame Ford!

Like I said, Bachelor has stuffed up every portfolio he's laid his hands on.

Vote 1... Liberals next state election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[VR304]

All its saying is restrict the speedo ... not the car.
Fine by me !!

[team illucid]

Buy an aftermarket speedo:)

[Drizt]

Don't blame Ford!
Vote 1... Liberals next state election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

i would have thought most sane people already did vote liberal :eek:

[Smitty]

All its saying is restrict the speedo ... not the car.
Fine by me !!

sorry mate
I have just highlighted the important bit ....it was easy to miss!
a campaign to restrict top speed.... :mad: :mad:

[SSbaby]

How does restricting the speedo help anybody's cause insofar as road safety is concerned?

Stupid politicians! :bash:

[VZLAD]

Restrictions on the cars imported to Aussie land as well ?? What about the cars already on the road here that wont be speed limited ? How often you see trucks that have on the back reading 100 speed limited but you know some are going faster than 100 cause they zoom past you when your already doing 110 k's LMAO what a joke

[team illucid]

How does restricting the speedo help anybody's cause insofar as road safety is concerned?

True...I mean trucks and busses are restricted to 100KMH ... hang on, they crash sometimes too ... well, maybe speed is not the only answer...but that cant be right can it, everyone is a compentent driver on the road, it is only the fast ones that crash, not the little old ladies in their magnas doing 82KMH on the freeway ...

wasnt the "no numbers above 130 a volvo AD"

[Grif]

Dam it why cant we ostracise these pollies! If the Athenians could during the BC era of time then why cant we damn do it now when these pollies have the same mental capacity of your regular garden hose! :box: This world is becoming too politically correct. If you speedo says 240 OMG!!!!!!!! Your going to be tempted to go 240! Wait, motorcycles stock now can pull 300 easy :rolleyes: and people that own knives have the potential to kill! If you have oil or petrol you could set fire to houses! The mountains will crumble and the seas will boil if cars have a 240 speedo! Repent! Repent!




In case you havent noticed i was being sarcastic ;) and not very happy with the draconian ideas that are being thrown around... What happend to democracy (which is what this country is built on last time i checked) and the people wanting this, and not some dictator that tells us whats good for us.

[SSbaby]

Restrictions on the cars imported to Aussie land as well ?? What about the cars already on the road here that wont be speed limited ? How often you see trucks that have on the back reading 100 speed limited but you know some are going faster than 100 cause they zoom past you when your already doing 110 k's LMAO what a joke

True. How much is this going to help importers trying to certify cars for our requirements? More development costs!!!

[XLR8 V8]

As has been said, we can't blame Ford for this .... Bracks and co have been stewing on this for a while and they just decided to use the F6 as an excuse to bring it back onto the table. Placing speed limiters into vehicles would remove the ability for people to do as they wished with their vehicles OFF the road. Track days or off-road racing would not be feasible if vehicles were speed limited to 130 and would therefore infringe on people rights to do as they wish with their vehicle on private property. It would affect the business viability of places like WSID, Willowbank and Heathcote who use smaller public events such as test'n'tunes to help fund their businesses between the larger event schedule.
There are many who will oppose this idea and I don't think Bracks has an idea how loud those voices are when it places people's jobs/livelihood at risk.

[clixanup]

i would have thought most sane people already did vote liberal :eek:

Are you telling me that sane people voted for the GST? Are you telling me that sane people voted to become one of the most over taxed nations (per capita) on the planet?

Nope. SCARED people voted Liberal. "Oh no.... Interest rates might go up under Labor." Well, I've got news for ya. They're going up anyway. You wasted your vote.

Anyhow, back on topic - Weren't some earlier Fords speed limited anyway? I never owned one, but several mates had XC/D/Es which wouldn't do more than 160km/h, and I was under the impression that there was a governor of some sort in their transmissions...

[SSbaby]

. It would affect the business viability of places like WSID, Willowbank and Heathcote who use smaller public events such as test'n'tunes to help fund their businesses between the larger event schedule.
There are many who will oppose this idea and I don't think Bracks has an idea how loud those voices are when it places people's jobs/livelihood at risk.

Not to mention the viability of HSV, FPV, ...

Toyota must welcome the idea!

[Jizzlobber]

Another example of the Police state going mad, I cannot for the life of me understand how Bracks and co have remained in power for so long. I am assuming that the title of this thread is tongue in cheek as we all know that there are faster HSV's out there than the new Typhoon.
The only people who may make some money out of this will be aftermarket tuners like chiptorque and unichip, who may see a large rise in sales of their chips.
I like it how they have made it 130 too, so they can still not hack into their revenue machines on every freeway around Vic. Why not make it 100 so there was no chance of anyone getting a speeding fine while driving on any freeways?
Peter Batchelor must be attached to the back of Victor Bray's Doorslammer and shown the real meaning of speed.

[Mongy]

It has had the effect that he wanted it to have. He has managed to get everybodies attention and get his ugly mug back in the media. Free advertising for him. Let's face it, the heavy vehicle industry said many years ago "they can't speed limit our trucks" and look where they are now. Think about that! :eek:

[PepeLePew]

Bracks is an idiot

Full stop.

[CALDIR]

Hi

This thread is going off topic and may as well be closed.

But on a serious note and so that people are not mislead: interest rates are not controlled by government be it either Liberal or Labour. They may try to influence rates but the big decision is made by the Reserve Bank based on a number of reasons particularly on our economy and the value of the aussie dollar.

For the record, interest rates have been very low under a liberal government(7%) and in my lifetime very high under a labour government (17.5%).

regards,

Richard
CLUBVX

[Jizzlobber]

Are you telling me that sane people voted for the GST? Are you telling me that sane people voted to become one of the most over taxed nations (per capita) on the planet?

Nope. SCARED people voted Liberal. "Oh no.... Interest rates might go up under Labor." Well, I've got news for ya. They're going up anyway. You wasted your vote.

Anyhow, back on topic - Weren't some earlier Fords speed limited anyway? I never owned one, but several mates had XC/D/Es which wouldn't do more than 160km/h, and I was under the impression that there was a governor of some sort in their transmissions...
I don't know about the X-series Falcon being limited, maybe it was just excessively high gearing and not enough torque?
I do know that some Falcon's (read pov. pack Gli etc) have been limited to 180km/hr from the ED onwards. This limit was increased to 200km/hr with the introduction of the BA. (XR's etc. get 230 I believe)

[team illucid]

The whole idea would surely cost car manufacturers a fortune ... cant see them being happy with it - on another point, wouldnt it be more dangerous to overtake in a car that would hit 130 then refuse to go faster ??? too much time in the bad lane is heading for trouble

[XLR8 V8]

Not to mention the viability of HSV, FPV, ...

Toyota must welcome the idea!

I mention the tracks etc rather than the car companies 'cause they could be seen as the "innocent victims" trying to make a living whereas FPV/HSV are seen as the manufacturers of these "death traps" :rolleyes:
Either way, many jobs would be lost. Would gov't officials be found sitting trackside to speak to any owner of a street registered vehicle if the car was seen to have an ET of more than 81.25MPH? :lol:
The aftermarket industry of removing speed limiters would be a good area to buy some shares methinks. :yup:

oh, and the thread is only going off topic when people are talking about interest rates :bash:

[RICHO]

Does that mean I couldn'y be booked for doing more than 130km/h??

Say on the Hume Highway...110 zone, cruising at "130km/h"....no other traffic near you for comparison

"Officer my speedo was out"..."I was only doing 130, my speedo said so"

[Dickie Knee]

Driver training is the key to safe driving.

I 2nd the motion Bracks is an idiot !

[Obscur3d]

Maybe they should spend all this time, effort and money they are throwing around into fixing the f@#$@# roads, driver training or something else remotely useful. Instead they are out scare mongering. :mad:

[VQ304]

"the plan to peg speedometers was the first step in a campaign to impose a limit on top speed"

OK, so if they also put 130km/h speed limiters on cars, how exactly is that going to stop people doing 130 down a residential street? That's a lot more dangerous than doing 200 on a freeway.

I don't see how having high numbers on a speedo makes people want to test it out anyway. My speedo goes to 220 and I haven't tried to go that fast before. If I'm going to drive fast then it's because I want to, not because of some numbers on a dial in front of me :rolleyes:

Also, if this were implemented, how is it going to affect the speedo layout? Isn't the whole point of having 200+km/h speedos so that 100 can be almost directly at the top making it easy to see how fast you're doing when on the freeway? If 130 was as high as it could go, then 100 would be at a 90 degree angle.


"I do know that some Falcon's (read pov. pack Gli etc) have been limited to 180km/hr from the ED onwards. This limit was increased to 200km/hr with the introduction of the BA. (XR's etc. get 230 I believe)"

That was because the tailshaft on the autos couldn't handle any more than 180. I might be wrong on this, but I think the manuals weren't speed limited.

[SSbaby]

Don't forget... they're politicians... don't discount hidden agendas.

1st step: speedo restrictions
2nd step: speed limiters
3rd step: buy a Toyota
4th step: 'big brother's watching you' electronic devices built into your vehicles.

We have been warned about this before by Wheels/Motor - the threat is now real. Don't let them do it us!

[Jizzlobber]

"the plan to peg speedometers was the first step in a campaign to impose a limit on top speed"

OK, so if they also put 130km/h speed limiters on cars, how exactly is that going to stop people doing 130 down a residential street? That's a lot more dangerous than doing 200 on a freeway.

I don't see how having high numbers on a speedo makes people want to test it out anyway. My speedo goes to 220 and I haven't tried to go that fast before. If I'm going to drive fast then it's because I want to, not because of some numbers on a dial in front of me :rolleyes:

Also, if this were implemented, how is it going to affect the speedo layout? Isn't the whole point of having 200+km/h speedos so that 100 can be almost directly at the top making it easy to see how fast you're doing when on the freeway? If 130 was as high as it could go, then 100 would be at a 90 degree angle.


"I do know that some Falcon's (read pov. pack Gli etc) have been limited to 180km/hr from the ED onwards. This limit was increased to 200km/hr with the introduction of the BA. (XR's etc. get 230 I believe)"

That was because the tailshaft on the autos couldn't handle any more than 180. I might be wrong on this, but I think the manuals weren't speed limited.

Good point, I would rather see someone travel at 200km/hr down a deserted freeway that at 130 past a primary school at 3:30pm. As for the Falcon issue yes it was definately a tailshaft problem, I am not sure about the manual either, I will have to test it out in the old mans au xr6 5 speed (not past my local school). Although being an XR I am inclined to believe it isn't limited anyway. 5 speed's other than XR's are pretty rare in the EF onwards so it might come down to finding out from someone who actually has owned one.

[GM350]

The whole idea would surely cost car manufacturers a fortune ... cant see them being happy with it - on another point, wouldnt it be more dangerous to overtake in a car that would hit 130 then refuse to go faster ??? too much time in the bad lane is heading for trouble


Smart point, Ford and GM are to big to be bullied by small ppl, like premiers.

Can't wait for the that 300km speedo.

[Mongy]

Don't forget... they're politicians... don't discount hidden agendas.

1st step: speedo restrictions
2nd step: speed limiters
3rd step: buy a Toyota
4th step: 'big brother's watching you' electronic devices built into your vehicles.

We have been warned about this before by Wheels/Motor - the threat is now real. Don't let them do it us!Can I buy a Mazda? :lol: This is all correct. We never thought they would ever do it to trucks and they certainly did, it gave them a good grounding in how to eventually do it to cars and bikes. I think bikes will be first because their lobby group is not as strong. It is all about picking off the weak ones first, then the strong have no choice because they have been singled out and are all that is left.

[F6 Hoon]

Bracks is an idiot. He probably got Scruby whispering is his ear. And to think most of you Vic's voted for this idiot :lol:

[RICHO]

So all imported cars would therefore have to have a 130km/h maximum on their speedos?? Or would they be "exempt"??

Can you really see Porsche developing a new speedo just for Victoria (or Australia for that matter)? or Ferarri or Mercedes or any other importer for that matter?? Of course not!!! No, just an additional expense for Australian manufacturers that will make them less competitive cost wise than imported competition. Just fantastic for all those victorian manufacturers, for employment, etc etc.

Bracksey really does have a pea sized intellect if he can't see beyond his own revenue justifying TAC Speeding Hype...

I didn't vote for him, I've always thought he was a nuffy. So a great BIG thankyou from me to all those Victorian's that did vote for him at the last election!! Thank you VERY, VERY much!!

[RICHO]

Can I buy a Mazda? :lol: This is all correct. We never thought they would ever do it to trucks and they certainly did, it gave them a good grounding in how to eventually do it to cars and bikes. I think bikes will be first because their lobby group is not as strong. It is all about picking off the weak ones first, then the strong have no choice because they have been singled out and are all that is left.

Trucks are speed limited?!??!!??! :eek: :confused: :confused:

The number of big rigs that have passed me on the Hume when I'm doing approx 120 is rediculous!! But they do all have those 100kmh speed limted signs on the back...

Here's a thought....I'm happy to put a "speed limited" sign on the back of my car provided I can disable the system and drive at the same speed as the trucks on the Hume?? Should keep everyone happy!!

[COOKIE!]

If they do restrict speedo's and restrict power outputs cant people just by pass the chip with a program like ls1 edit which alredy changes the factory's settings Only a thought????????????
What next ban tuners and dyno's. Imagine doing a power run with a top speed of 130 clicks yeah right.....

[exploder]

I think bikes will be first because their lobby group is not as strong. It is all about picking off the weak ones first, then the strong have no choice because they have been singled out and are all that is left.

Have faith, the bikes won the war on having front number plates reintroduced ( Its a safety issue for the rider in accidents). One polly at the time even said the main reason was to allow them to trap motorcyclists with speed camera that take head on shots.

Politicians are popularity monkeys, make enough noise against and they will stop. Lobby your local motoring association, get your car club going, write to the opposition party... If all you do is whinge in this forum all you are doing is preaching to the converted

[Jizzlobber]

Bracks is an idiot. He probably got Scruby whispering is his ear. And to think most of you Vic's voted for this idiot :lol:
Not many car enthusiasts would have though? Every vehicle forum I ever browse seems to have anti-Branks sentiments outweighing his support by at least 5 to 1.

[dean]

Just renember though, the state govt are lobbying to the Australian Transport Council. The proposal would have to have agreement federally and will all other state govts, as well as other representatives on the council. Car manuafacterers would have to re-tool in include such measures at a great cost. All the more reason for large corporations not to invest in Victoria, due to an interfereing state govt. :mad:


Link to Australian Transport Council
Membership http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/atcmember.htm

[exploder]

And another thought, all my fellow NSW men and women, Scully is an idiot as well and Bob Carr does not and has never held a drivers license!!!!

[Rt!]

bob carr is a ****wit

you should make as much noise as you can, if you become complacent and allow the dickheads in power to do little things slowly, your rights will be taken away without you even realising it. hence people need to kick up a stink even at the little issues.

that said, in the leader, cherry burton(sp), a Mp for kogarah, wanted the dual speed cameras at st george to be removed. What a champ, theres no need for them to be there as the schools are fenced off and there is an overpass for kids to use. Should see the effect it has on drivers.. at 12pm at night, 4wd mums driving past are afraid to go over 30km/h in a 60 zone. pathetic.

[Redfox]

This is all a load of BS. I think it's a big ploy to blame road deaths on speed and high performance cars, rather than the sh!t condition our roads are in. The pacific higway is an absolute joke, as are many other major roads in australia. Grrrr....

[VZSS250]

Note that it is the Typhooon that has sparkes the Supercar Scare II. Bracks has obviously been advised that a family six cylinder car now has 270kw and has said enough is enough. While he could swallow 300kw out of a V8 built for enthousiasts, he's obvioulsy not keen on having mums and dads driving around with so much power handy.

I mean, at the rate the manufacturers are going, taxi drivers will soon have 300kw. Its a joke, and someone needs to put a brake on this power war.

Power should only be available to enthousiasts not fleet buyers, taxi drivers and any other hack.

[SSbaby]

Note that it is the Typhooon that has sparkes the Supercar Scare II. Bracks has obviously been advised that a family six cylinder car now has 270kw and has said enough is enough. While he could swallow 300kw out of a V8 built for enthousiasts, he's obvioulsy not keen on having mums and dads driving around with so much power handy.

I mean, at the rate the manufacturers are going, taxi drivers will soon have 300kw. Its a joke, and someone needs to put a brake on this power war.

Power should only be available to enthousiasts not fleet buyers, taxi drivers and any other hack.

You could crack 130km/h in a Niki for chrissake!

It's all relative. Power is increased as a result of a weight increase. The weight increase is as a result of the addition of safety equipment...

The only cars that have 300kW are supercars and how many accidents involve supercars. Not many I betcha!!!

[Dane]

Track days or off-road racing would not be feasible if vehicles were speed limited to 130 .

..... Sandown track times = 4 minute 45 sec. @ 130kmh.

Well at least 2nd and 3rd turns would still be fun at 130kmh. :lol:

Now the Ford Falcon EB comes into play. :cool:

Cheers,

Dane

[Jizzlobber]

Note that it is the Typhooon that has sparkes the Supercar Scare II. Bracks has obviously been advised that a family six cylinder car now has 270kw and has said enough is enough. While he could swallow 300kw out of a V8 built for enthousiasts, he's obvioulsy not keen on having mums and dads driving around with so much power handy.

I mean, at the rate the manufacturers are going, taxi drivers will soon have 300kw. Its a joke, and someone needs to put a brake on this power war.

Power should only be available to enthousiasts not fleet buyers, taxi drivers and any other hack.
What a load of rubbish, I can accept Bracks blaming the Typhoon, but a car enthusist such as yourself? A Clubsport or GT is around the same price and they all have similar performance, the only difference is that the Typhoon is a 6 cylinder. A VZ SS is even cheaper. So using your logic we should be seeing mums and taxi drivers cruising around in Typhoons solely because of the engine configuration. I put it to you that Typhoons will appeal to enthusiast's just like a Clubby or a GT, just a different type of enthusiast, it's not like the BA N/A 6 has been dropped from the lineup, this is a 60k car we are talking about.

[Redfox]

I don't get it though... sure the cars may be more powerful nowadays, but most cars can get up towards the 150-180kmh mark, even if it is a sh!tbox. So why are they blaming extra horsepower for excessive speeds? It's like blaming alcoholism on OP Rum when you can still be an alcoholic and drink only beer.

And that point about the euro import cars is a good one. Will the VIC government impose a law to make ferrari limit the speedos on their cars to 130kmh?! Lol... ferrari would just laugh at them! And if that rule is only applied to locally produced vehicles, or family vehicles, that is a bad double standard.

And what about the guys who drive their V8's during the week to and from work, and then take it to the track on the weekends.

What a joke!

[VX2VESS]

You could crack 130km/h in a Niki for chrissake!

It's all relative. Power is increased as a result of a weight increase. The weight increase is as a result of the addition of safety equipment...

The only cars that have 300kW are supercars and how many accidents involve supercars. Not many I betcha!!!

yes they fail to look at power to weight, dopes...

could have 400kw but if the car is 2.5ton :D it ain't going anywhere fast, may get blown off by an excel on gas steroids.

a turbo rotary rx3 would be quicker, it weighs bugger all

although a 50kph restrictor via some sort of transponders on the signs would be a way to slow ppl in the right places.

[SchrgdVSV6]

I didnt think Bracks would have the balls to push for such extremities, but then it does help him duck the issue of fixing our roads (but taxing them seems ok in his books).

If all states did agree to this and it was imposed, I wonder what it would do to the upper luxo/sports car market where vehicle performance is emphasised. Even though they are PC about the top speeds of cars, such qualities are plastered all over Wheels, Motor and hundreds of car mags out there and do add to the attraction of purchasing such cars... and I thought the 180kph speed limiters on the japanese (hi end) cars was a bit harsh.

* pats his speed cut unit and 300kph speedo *

[flappist]

John Howard never has given a rat's arse what the labor states want.
If he comes out and says there is a problem then THERE IS A PROBLEM.
Otherwise let them bleet like the sheep they are.

No amount of public pressure saw the word SORRY mentioned
No amount of public pressure (100,000+ street marches) changed the gun issue.
No amount of public pressure had any effect on the immigrarion camps.

This is JOHN HOWARD country, Steve Bracks is just the office boy.

[smoke]

Maybe, through this forum we can nip this sh-t in the bud. Dont think nothing will come of it! Pollies will just get on the piss late one night, during one of their sessions and pass legislation on this at 2 am, while most of them are drunk and or asleep. It will happen! Time to get a petition running, before this goes to the next stage. If pollies hear nothing from forum reps, car clubs etc, it will spur them on to bigger and grander things!!!!!!!! :( History is warning us!!!!!

[SSbaby]

There are suggestions from some quarters (don't ask whom, I just report on the facts...) that spank's letter to Scruby has triggered this reaction from the State Government. Although, personally, I reckon it was spank's avatar which caused all the damage. I just hope the damage is not irreversible.

[SSbaby]

Speaking of the police... I wonder if their interceptor's will be exempt from such speed restriction devices.

[seldo]

Maybe Bracks should set an example by swapping his chauffeur driven Caprice for a Hyundi or a Daiwoo Lanos...;)

[flappist]

Hey I have great idea, make the limiters work off transponders so the max speed is set in an area.
Instead of safety cameras catching dangerous people, replace them with safety transponders that force the limit.
Must save heaps of lives but will reduce state revinue.

Bracks would support that wouldn't he.

Hey one of you Victorians ring up 3aw as a anti speeder and suggest that and listen to them squirm.

[Merlin]

Hmm one positive that I can think of is that if cars were limited to 130 then Ford, Holden whoever would be forced to release cars that were geared in the range 0-130. ie. your six speed SS now has very short ratios optimised between 0-130 - wouldnt this lead to insane 0-100 times.....

[Jizzlobber]

Hmm one positive that I can think of is that if cars were limited to 130 then Ford, Holden whoever would be forced to release cars that were geared in the range 0-130. ie. your six speed SS now has very short ratios optimised between 0-130 - wouldnt this lead to insane 0-100 times.....
Haha yeh, I don't imagine fuel consumption would be too good though.

[5Hungy]

Ok is the original article stating that they are going to restrict what the speedo says or what speed the car does?? Sorry, Im confused..

I think it will be very hard to all of a sudden impose a speed limiter on all cars.

If worse comes to worst and they start producing cars that are only limited to 130kph, they cant do anything about the millions of existing cars in Australia that can already do above that speed... Unless of course they spend a massive amount of money re-configuring every single registered car, which of course would raise taxes to an incredible height..

It would have been a lot easier to do it to all the trucks in Oz as there are relatively not many trucks. Were the trucks that were on the road before the speed limit came into play restricted as well?

I certainly hope it doesnt happen, how sad will it be driving around in a new clubby that only does 130kph....

[Devil CV8]

Ok is the original article stating that they are going to restrict what the speedo says or what speed the car does?? Sorry, Im confused..

Bracks is pushing for speedos to show a maximum of 130km/h although if that doesn't curb "whatever he's trying to curb" he'll push for harsher restrictions...
OK victorians, your mission, that you WILL accept, is to vote Bracks OUT at the next election, or earlier..... if you get my drift...... surely there's an aussie oswald down there, a book depository, and Bracks driving around...need I say more. ;)

[spank]

as i understand it bracks wants to have the speedo maximum reading at 130kph , not govern the car to that speed so that we silly boys and girls dont try to see how fast the car really goes (what a joke my stock 86 vl goes of the clock [200kph]and its nearly 20 years old )but he also wants to have a limit on and reduce the capacity of our engines so the future cars such as the VE commodore doesnt get to go to 6.2L if he gets his way
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE :mad:

[dean]

They say in the article that this is the first step. Id imagine the number of head-on accidents on highways would increase - just imagine you pull out to overtake, hit the limiter, then oncoming traffic - bam.

[SSbaby]

It's interesting to read some of the comments over at FF.

Believe it or not, there are a few individuals there who would actually support the notion of rescaling speedometers and/or introducing speed restrictors. They do quote some pros and cons.

Interesting that one of the pros they (naively IMO) believe that insurance premiums will drop (to what level I wonder - 5%? by $50?)... it's just another opportunity for the insurance companies to take us motorists for a ride. Anyone who has private health cover knows how premiums don't stay low for long - eventually finding equilibrium.

[Roddy]

It may be worth reminding Bracks that governments can be thrown out. This Morgan poll was just released today;


During October, primary support for the Victorian ALP Government fell 5.5% to 42.5% - the lowest primary result since the 2002 election - while support for the Liberal Party rose a significant 10% to 42%. On a two-party preferred basis, ALP support fell 8.5% to 52%, with L-NP support at 48% (up 8.5%).

He seems to be on the nose. :)

[spank]

just watching the 5pm news and the R A C V is supporting this crap saying it a start , yeah a start for completing the nanny state :mad: :mad: :mad:

[VKCommo]

just watching the 5pm news and the R A C V is supporting this crap saying it a start , yeah a start for completing the nanny state :mad: :mad: :mad:

Good to see that the motoring organisations are SUPPORTING the MOTORISTS. NOT. I am convinced the the local motoring organisations are mobs of government sucking-up arsehats.

[SSbaby]

Good to see that the motoring organisations are SUPPORTING the MOTORISTS. NOT. I am convinced the the local motoring organisations are mobs of government sucking-up arsehats.

It seems that politicians wouldn't announce such a proposal unless they have the support of various groups. Be prepared for more of these groups to pop up and support the Victorian Government's stand. I wonder how many other state Labor governments are just watching with interest or readying similar plans.

Sorry about the Labor-party bashing peoples but I just saw my world about to end - the LS7 HSV GTS looks like it will again be a stillborn project. :mad: :flipoff:

[Ghia351]

Having heard Bracks on 3AW this morning let me say that it is only a suggestion to impose a speedo showing a top speed of 130km/hr. More importantly it is a suggestion to be floated at a national meeting between all state leaders and the feds so it's along way off becoming law, cannot be done by individual states and will most likely disappear from the radar when the costs, public backlash etc.. are discovered by the political advisers.

I'm more concerned that if the Typhoon was actually the fastest car going atm why didn't this show up in Motor? And I thinks it's time for HSV and FVP to have some secret talks to work out a campaign to avoid ANY Federal government intervention!!!

[Nawdy]

130km/h? Yeah, I see that on the way up to cruising speed on the open road....

Well, Bracks will be getting the reaction he is after, and will be seen that he is being pro-active by the general public. Now all he needs is a minority group that can jump up and down, and bleat very loudly to show his idea has support from the community.....

Hang on, aren't we a "minority group"? And what about all the other people on all the other forums who have more than a passing interest in their cars? This forum alone has over 6500 members....so what can we do? It's great to whinge and give character assessments amongst the already converted, but why can't we show our dis-satisfaction for this proposal?

Two things I think we can do:

1. Have a mass cruise in each state to show we are against this idea; and

2. Get petitions up and running for these cruises so they can be presented to the Australian transport Council. Is it possible to have an electronic petition?

I am happy to organise a cruise for the NT, what about the other states???

C'mon ladies and gents, it's easy to bleat amongst ourselves, but how about some action to back up the words???? Inaction now will cost us dearly in the future.....

Anybody?

[spank]

i think that this is a total waste of time , if some one is in a hurry or just plain wants to drive fast then they will , tell me that on twisty run your watching the speedo , you dont , but you know that youre speeding , the only thing im watching is the road and the guys around me ( well , behind me :booty: ) :bash: :bash: :bash:
i think all we can really do is vote bracks out

[Ryzz]

Is it possible to have an electronic petition?

Im sure it would be, and it wouldn't take much to throw a database up behind a webpage to collect peoples name, address's, phone numbers, etc

Then deliver this Database to the relevant parties as a pertition!!

[Akazia]

So if Monkey Boy Bracks Plan actually comes to fruition, does this mean that we all have to specify Northern Territory Spec models when we order from the dealer???

[VXSS346]

Its a crap idea.
Some idiot on the news says Australia will lead the way if this comes in. Huh?
Importers wont inport to Oz because they will have to design a new instrement cluster just for us. The'll tell us where to go! How is that leading the way????

In any case, you can use you tacho anyway to work out your speed. Problem solved.

As was said earlier, Bracks is an idiot, FULL STOP!

[Smitty]

And I thinks it's time for HSV and FVP to have some secret talks to work out a campaign to avoid ANY Federal government intervention!!!

g'day Ghia....
not possible I reckon..
the spray and slanging match between FPV and HSV going on atm won't help
the blokes are at each others throats...
united we are NOT!!

see...
http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,11283178%255E21822,00.html


cheers

[Smitty]

hmmm
i am actually going to quote the link...for those who can't get it...
I think it is important!


FPV v HSV: the bosses clash
James Stanford
05nov04

AUSTRALIAN muscle-car makers have clashed over the arrival of Ford's latest turbo rocket.

Ford Performance Vehicles boss David Flint and Holden Special Vehicles counterpart John Crennan have spoken out as FPV releases the new F6 Typhoon.

The Typhoon is a turbo-charged six-cylinder Falcon that will be sold alongside the GT Falcon.

Crennan says the arrival of the Typhoon will confuse the market image of FPV and that HSV is clearly a V8-only brand.

"I consider our branding and our vision and our plan to be very pure. The essence of good marketing is purity, and to a certain extent simplicity. And I look at the Ford side of things and I see something that is more confusing," Crennan says.

"Is it Tickford? Is it FTE? Is it FPV? Is it FPR? Is it six-cylinder? Is it eight-cylinder? Is it supercharged?"


Crennan says FPV needs to do more work on its brand strategy to give customers a clear picture of its direction.

"That picture can only be confused by the potential of a six-cylinder product, cheaper than the V8, and the potential for that to strangle the V8."

FPV has introduced a new slogan, Performance Inc, to incorporate the Typhoon's introduction next to its V8 GT models.

Flint says FPV does not have to stick to building V8 cars.

"We are not the GT or V8 car company. We are the pre-eminent performance-car company in Australia. That, frankly, means we are free to do anything we like."

Flint says the overall performance package is more important than the number of cylinders.

He disagrees with Crennan's comments about the Typhoon's negative impact.

"I have a lot of time for John. He is an outstanding manager and a superb marketer. In this instance, though, I think he is not right."

Flint attacked the new 6.0-litre HSV GEN IV engine, which has slightly more power and torque than the FPV Boss V8 in the GTs.

"Our V8 is a very hi-tech, double-overhead-camshaft, multi-valve engine. To me, that is a more technical solution than an old push-rod engine (HSV GEN IV), but that's the way he (John) chooses to go and good luck."

Crennan fired straight back.

"I think the push-rod thing is a cheap shot. All I know is that for every 10 cars we sell, they sell three – and I'll let the numbers do the talking."

Herald Sun

[davidred]

I saw the news coverage on 7 this afternoon and surprisingly the reporter gave a somewhat balanced review stating quotes that drivers and roads are the blame for speeding related accidents.

Even what so far as to have a quote from the chariman of the motoring industry (forgot name/industry name) saying that although this could be seen as the resurrection of the Monaro VS GT war in the 70's, todays cars are all about safety.

[mmciau]

Bracks has lit the fuse!!

Now we are about to get all the 1970s-type mania for powerful cars to be curtailed.

All the road safety wannabes will be all over the airwaves lobbing for car speed limits.

Must be close to an election in Victoria

Mike

[BLACK 346]

Yes, heard him on the radio this afternoon. He wants all passenger
cars limited to 130kmh. His arguement was, why should cars be
able to do 240kmh when the speed limit is 110kph.

[FalconIX]

Fellow car lovers we must unite to stop the madness!!

[Danv8]

Don't forget... they're politicians... don't discount hidden agendas.

1st step: speedo restrictions
2nd step: speed limiters
3rd step: buy a Toyota
4th step: 'big brother's watching you' electronic devices built into your vehicles.

We have been warned about this before by Wheels/Motor - the threat is now real. Don't let them do it us!

Friggen oath

Protest Convoy anyone?

[Danv8]

"Our V8 is a very hi-tech, double-overhead-camshaft, multi-valve engine. To me, that is a more technical solution than an old push-rod engine (HSV GEN IV),

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Sounds like he wouldn't know if a tram was up him even if the bell rang.
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[NinetySix]

pretty pissweak to say that a pushrod v8 motor that makes more power than fpv's QOHC motor isnt as good

but even more pissweak to start it by attacking them for making a performance 6... hell holden invented the most classic quick 6 in this country :rolleyes:

[Heli]

Not quite: Bracks' disertation on 3AW this morning was for speedometers to be calibrated not to read above 130kph :eek: Rational is that high speedo range is an incentive to speed. The Age report, here. (http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Bracks-urges-speedo-limit/2004/11/09/1099781360069.html)

Full text:

The Victorian government wants to restrict speedometers on all new cars in Australia at 130kph.

Victorian Premier Steve Bracks said Transport Minister Peter Batchelor would submit the proposal to the Australian Transport Council, a meeting of state and federal transport ministers, in Brisbane next Friday.

The debate over speed has been reignited by Ford Performance Vehicles' release of a turbocharged six-cylinder Falcon - the Typhoon - which is capable of well over 200kph.

Mr Bracks told radio 3AW today the plan to peg speedometers was the first step in a campaign to impose a limit on the top speed.

He said Mr Batchelor would call for speedometers to be restricted to "something close to 130kph so you don't have the immediate temptation or incentive" to see how fast the car goes.

"That will be the first step, and obviously if there's further action to be taken, that can be determined in discussion at the Australian Transport Council," Mr Bracks said.

"But I think it's a good first step. I think it's an important step."

The new speedo limits would require a change to the Australian Design Rules for motor vehicles - the rules manufacturers must meet to have their cars registered for use on Australian roads.

"This is one anomaly really that's there - if you can't go at 240kph, why have you got 240 on the speedo," Mr Bracks said.

"That's the issue, really. Why have that incentive? Why have that inducement if you like, and why have that as part of a broader advertising campaign that you can market these as cars that can go at these extraordinary speeds."

- AAP


No idea what planet this goose came from, but by golly I wish he'd go back :(

[Danv8]

[QUOTE=NinetySix]pretty pissweak to say that a pushrod v8 motor that makes more power than fpv's QOHC motor isnt as good

I think Flint is running scared since we all know how much potential the LS1 has and now we have the LS2 in the HSV range there is even more untapped performance waiting to be released.

Flint is really clutching at straws by bagging the pushrod designed LS2 but then again if Ford didn't have the turbo 6 they would be still way behind.

The Turbo 6 is really keeping the camel from breaking its back at Fords performance cars really.

[V82xist]

Bracks is an idiot. He probably got Scruby whispering is his ear. And to think most of you Vic's voted for this idiot :lol:

More like sucking his ****, I think Bracks is doing this to divert attention from him trying to get gay marriages legalised so he can run of and marry Scruby his lover :mad:

Shame on all those who voted for the fool. :box: :bash:

[Ghia351]

[QUOTE=NinetySix]pretty pissweak to say that a pushrod v8 motor that makes more power than fpv's QOHC motor isnt as good

I think Flint is running scared since we all know how much potential the LS1 has and now we have the LS2 in the HSV range there is even more untapped performance waiting to be released.

Flint is really clutching at straws by bagging the pushrod designed LS2 but then again if Ford didn't have the turbo 6 they would be still way behind.

The Turbo 6 is really keeping the camel breaking its back at Fords performance cars really.

This is O/t but if Flint is running scared then how come it was Crennan that raised the issue in the first place?

[Danv8]

This is O/t but if Flint is running scared then how come it was Crennan that raised the issue in the first place?

I think they are both scared in their own ways.

Especially the reintroduction of the super car scare but wanting to offer high performance cars to punter like us.

[Ghia351]

More like sucking his ****, I think Bracks is doing this to divert attention from him trying to get gay marriages legalised so he can run of and marry Scruby his lover :mad:

Shame on all those who voted for the fool. :box: :bash:

What do you guys smoke in NSW....we go from limited numbers on a speedo to gay marriages....maybe you should go the the US where Big doubya won an election on banning such things.

[Ghia351]

I think they are both scared in their own ways.

Especially the reintroduction of the super car scare but wanting to offer high performance cars to punter like us.

I'm more worried about the parent company boards getting scared and pulling back on their future upgrades/plans.

[wally01]

Is this going to happen to motorbikes aswell ,you can do far more than 240 k on a bike most of the time in 3rd or 4 th gear .
Or the good rice burner and the old chook cooker they the pollies seem to try anything these days .
And by the way can a ford go that fast .. ;)

[HERCULES]

Saw this on the news tonight, he spoke as he got out of a V8 CAPRICE.
And showed the 240km/h speedo, that he wants them all to max 130km/h.
Pointless if you ask me if the car is able to go faster but the speedo doesn't display it.

[LuKeY]

WTF is with that? Why the huge reaction to the F6 when its been going on with both Holden and Ford for ages.

There has been talk about limiting cars for ages, I wouldn't stress, it probably won't happen (we hope).

[rossi 46]

give bracks the sack he's a farking crook :cussing: :flip3:

[V82xist]

What do you guys smoke in NSW....we go from limited numbers on a speedo to gay marriages....maybe you should go the the US where Big doubya won an election on banning such things.

Haven't you got a sense of humour? Oh, no need to explain I understand you own a Ford and live in Victoria. You must be seriously depressed. You didn't also vote for Bracks did you? :p

[Dickie Knee]

Maybe I am missing something.

Who made Steve Bracks Prime Minister?

This idiot has already taken it upon himself to fine people for speeding who are driving roadworthy cars with speedos that are operating within ADR's and don't even know they are speeding.

In Vic if your speedo is out by 5km/h at 100km/h you will get booked for going 3km/h over the limit.

This guy as no regard for ADRs

Steve Bracks needs to leave federal issues to little Johnny and worry about Victoria.

Sorry I will get off the soapbox now. :mad:

[Bumfluff]

Well hopefully this will go the way that Scully did when he tried to introduce severly increased fines and points loss for things such as double parking, tailgating, etc... There was such an uproar that a few days later he released a statement saying that they would 'rethink' some of the aspects of this policy'....No doubt keep the increased fine but abolish the points loss for the offense..... Anyway this is slightly OT so I'll button it! :jester:

[VQ304]

Saw this on the news tonight, he spoke as he got out of a V8 CAPRICE.
And showed the 240km/h speedo, that he wants them all to max 130km/h.
Pointless if you ask me if the car is able to go faster but the speedo doesn't display it.

So the Typhoon can do 200+km/h, what can his Caprice do? Easily 200+ as well. What a hypocrite, maybe he should go get something "safer" before crapping on about high powered cars or whatever.

[GTS JaZzA]

How can he say stuff like that when he'd feels safer in a v8 caprice then he would in a hyundai sonata.

[SSbaby]

Yes, heard him on the radio this afternoon. He wants all passenger
cars limited to 130kmh. His arguement was, why should cars be
able to do 240kmh when the speed limit is 110kph.

Or is he really saying, why should I build decent roads that allow safe speeds in excess of 130km/h when it's cheaper just to shift the onus and place restrictions on motor vehicles? Let's lobby it, that way we don't have to budget for it!


Not quite: Bracks' disertation on 3AW this morning was for speedometers to be calibrated not to read above 130kph :eek: Rational is that high speedo range is an incentive to speed.

Yeah that's sound logic. There you go folks, Bracks assumes we're all idiots. I wonder how many motorists are obsessed at driving over 130km/h (NT motorists excepted :D ] and how many of those are involved in fatal crashes... no statistics your honour!

[kaniSS-81]

This country is so ****ed up... and its getting ****ed up even more as everyday goes by. we realy live in a free country dont we... feels like a dictatorship to me.

[HERCULES]

So the Typhoon can do 200+km/h, what can his Caprice do? Easily 200+ as well. What a hypocrite, maybe he should go get something "safer" before crapping on about high powered cars or whatever.

VQ304,
That is exactly right, he says the typhoon can do speeds of 200+ km/h but his caprice is very well capable of that as well.
He has no idea.

[mavss]

I don't think it's a bad idea only showing up to 130km/h.

Those among us who are interested in knowing their post-130 speeds will simply buy an after-market jobbie.

If you think about it, if the speedo only goes to 130, then it might help make it easier to read (unless yours is digital of course).

[F6 Hoon]

Saw the report on Chanel 7 this evening. The reporter made a comment that the car he was driven in was a high performance V8, capable of doing over 200km/h itself. Looks like the story had no merit from the reporters pov.

[mavss]

On the topic of Neil Mitchell's interview with David Flint, a couple of things got my attention :

1) Throughout the interview, David refused to disclose the top speed of the Typhoon, till towards the end, where he let it slip that it was 210 km/h. That's a little conservative IMHO
2) A listener rang to explain to Neil that he drove an RX8 which was also more than capable of ludicrous speeds. To this, Neil mentioned that he preferred the Mazdas as they were more "refined" than anything with a turbo or V8. I think he needs a bit of a reality check.
3) Another listener rang in to say they owned a Clubbie R8 & that standard equipment like sports suspension, brakes, air bags, ABS etc etc etc made it one of the safest cars on the road. Unfortunately, Neil couldn't see past the fact that it was a V8 "muscle car". Get your hand off it Neil !!

[Nawdy]

To this, Neil mentioned that he preferred the Mazdas as they were more "refined" than anything with a turbo or V8. I think he needs a bit of a reality check.


Maybe they are a sponsor of his??? Love "cash for comment" and "you know they are major sponsors of mine..." a la John Laws and Toyota hehehehe

Sorry, back on topic

These "commentators" all have hidden agendas, and nothing people can say will change that. Don't let commonsense get in the way. They aren't as impartial as most people think.

[Speedy Gonzales]

I doubt very much that the big 4, Daimler Chrysler, Ford, GM, and Toyota will accomodate one country's request to limit a speedometer to 130kph.

Either way you look at it, both Labour and Liberals are a bunch of crooks, whats to say the Libs wouldnt do the same?

Bracks has failed miserably on many road transport issues, the Western Ring Rd cameras, 40kph school zones on main rds, Mitcham Frankston bypass tolls, taxis, public transport, road infrastructure, level crossings etc etc etc the list goes on and on and on and on........

Interesting to see that they hung 2 managers to dry over the Ring Rd, I would much prefer to see Bracks and Batchelor strung up on the Sydney Rd overpass.

Bracks you are incompetent and so are the pollies who share this view.

Civil rights and liberties are VERY quickly going out the window in this state and country, so much so that we are controlled in every aspect of life almost every second we breathe.

History will repeat itself if this continues, and I would not rule violence and anarchy out of the equation.

If a law is introduced by Government who are the minority and the people who are the majority do not agree with it, then the people will regard the law as non existing, and thus disregard it.

[XR6 Martin]

They tried the exact same thing in the US about 20 years ago (80mph speedos and 55mph speed limits), and guess what? Road deaths increased, they soon dropped it increased the highway limit to 75mph in some places and road deaths reduced.

[GHZ28]

I doubt very much that the big 4, Daimler Chrysler, Ford, GM, and Toyota will accomodate one country's request to limit a speedometer to 130kph.


Unfortunately I think that all the manufacturers would comply, if it became law. Either comply with ADR or not sell here, it is that simple really.

So, yes we could back to the days, like in the US, where Camaro, Corvette etc. all had 80mph speedos fitted, and still did 130 mph or whatever.

That period did not last long over there, and surely someone will point that out to these people at the national meeting. Been tried before and didn't work!

[Vx_Adonis]

if you got a speed camera fine for doing just abit over the speed limit and you voted for Bracks, well done - it serves you right, hope you learnt your lesson and not vote that dildo Bracks again!
i would luv to see Bracks or Batchelor on the street, as id abuse the crap out of them - they are both crooks as they are 'legally' robbing Vic with speed cameras.

[scat2k3]

Sunrise on channel 7 are discussing this now. They have a segment coming on shortly. So far the view is unanimous - it's a complete waste of time and makes no sense at all. They are inviting viewers comments at this link: Sunrise Soapbox (http://www.seven.com.au/sunrise/form_soapbox)

Cheers,

Scott

[dogwatch2]

Hmm!, Another car hating, out of touch politician, who gets ferried around in a limo around town and can afford (at our expense) to fly any long distances. I think that it would have the exact opposite effect that Brack's is after as Manufacturers and after-marketers will concentrate more on 0 to 130 km acceleration times to flog their products.

That's life
Mike

[Dickie Knee]

Unfortunately I think that all the manufacturers would comply, if it became law. Either comply with ADR or not sell here, it is that simple really.
!

Bracks can not change ADRs. This is a federal issue not state.

Bracks should pull his head in. :bash:

We could see cars for sale in Victoria with speed limiters and 130km/h speedos but just over the border in NSW you can buy a ""normal car"".

[Smitty]

We could see cars for sale in Victoria with speed limiters and 130km/h speedos but just over the border in NSW you can buy a ""normal car"".

in answer ..but a bit off topic
and
don't laff...this is serious
This is happening NOW with motorbikes and their exhausts!!!
what is legal in QLD and Victoria is NOT legal (you will get a ticket) in NSW
ADR (federal) compliant bikes are being booked as NSW have reduced their legal noise limit. I am aware of one rider who bought a new sportsbike and who copped a ticket (in Sydney) within 10 minutes of leaving the dealer for 'excessive noise'.He is unable to ride it in NSW!
and look at what happened when NSW introduced 'unleaded petrol' regulations a year b4 the rest of the country did.....chaos in the motor industry

what is it about people who lose their commonsense when they become politicians... :bash:

[wally01]

We are going to Vic at XMAs what speed do i set my Cruise on as here in SA you can still do 119 k woops i mean 110 k on the highway ,this maybe just off the subject ,sorry guys,please continue .

[Nawdy]

Heard a funny observation regarding this topic on TV this morning:

"I suppose Steve Brack's solution for fighting obesity would be to limit scales to 80kg" Bwahahahahaha

Why don't they just have a combination digital/analogue speedo? And I think some people in the wider community are missing the fact that Bracks wants to speed limit cars futher down the track?

Why don't these pollies drive themselves around for a month just to see what It's like to travel without a driver???

[SSbaby]

I question the safety aspect with Brack's proposal... could you imagine what cheaper quality tyres manufacturers will spec their cars with? They won't be 'V' rated which means that if owners want to travel the NT at above 130km/h they'd risk a blow out. No doubt, a WARNING sticker affixed to the b-pillar will resolve this issue - note the sarcasm! :rolleyes:

[ssberlina]

Another thing these retard Pollies fail to consider is the design improvements in the safety levels of the new cars.

I could be travelling along in an FJ at 100 and be perfectly legal but I would guarrantee that it would be safer in a Vz at 130. Much, much safer.

Who is hell votes for these twits. I have come to think that a trained monkey could be voted in.

[Dickie Knee]

How about this.

Nice sunny day driving down the M1 in you new VE Clubsport R8 and you pull out into the middle lane to pass a slower car and hit the speed limitter. Then a 200B pulls out into the right hand lane and passes you both. :lol:

and Before limitters but after 130km/h speedos

If you are speeding and you are going more that 130km/h the cops could say you were doing 180km/h and you were only doing 140km/h. How could you know to fight this. Sorry there is no such thing as crocked cops :confused:

Cop " Good day sir, do you know how fast you were driving ?"
Driver " 130km/h thats what my speedo said"


Does this mean the most you can get booked for is 130km/h ? :confused:

Sorry now I am just being silly

[vxcalaiszzz]

The phasing in of speed limits by governments started some time ago...

Phase 1: promote mis-information about speed related road deaths
Phase 2: don't invest in roads, allow them to become run down sh!te
Phase 3: ensure speed limit on metro streets changes at least every 200 metres so nobody knows what the speed limit is
Phase 5: put speed cameras everywhere.

Phases 1 through 5 are now complete.

Phase 6: limit speedo's so people aren't tempted to speed (why don't they shut down Macca's & KFC so we aren't tempted to eat crap. It is called self control / choice / individual responsibility Mr Bracks)
Phase 7: introduce speed limits for cars

As usual it is the agenda's of the vocal minority that drive (or cheuffer ;) ) government policy.

[A9X]

I look around, looks like australia, smells like australia, damn people even talk australian (yes it is a language), why is it everyday goes past it feels like we live in police state, instead of a free country where everybody is FREE to do as they wish...... i cringe to see what my little boy will be going through when he is ready to drive....

[paulvdb]

We are going to Vic at XMAs what speed do i set my Cruise on as here in SA you can still do 119 k woops i mean 110 k on the highway ,this maybe just off the subject ,sorry guys,please continue .

Yeah it's OT but quick answer is 3k over so don't sneeze at the wrong time or cough or stretch your leg or ANYTHING!!! Bracks is a professional money collector.

[PJK]

This whole 130kmh thing is a load of crap!!! How fast a car can go is not an issue and will never be proven to be either.

The idea that one may be tempted to do 240 because the speedo says so is horseshit. Who made this crap up :bash:

[GTS JaZzA]

well if they do impose speed limiting, im sure prices for second hand performance cars will hold their value better as they wont be limited.

[Nawdy]

News article in today's NT News, page 7:

Speedo law bid derided

The Territory Government last night dismissed a call to limit speedometer readings to 130km/h as "ridiculous".

The Labor Victorian Government has called for the speedometers on all new cars to show a top speed of 130km/h - regardless of how fast they can actually go.

NT Transport and Infrastructure Minister Chris Burns said: "The Territory has unlimited speed zones, so the notion that speedometers in the Territory should be capped is clearly ridiculous. This appears to be just another attempt by southern states to impose their road rules and driving conditions on Territory motorists."

Dr Burns said it had been shown that excessive speed was not a dominant factor in the Territory's road toll.



Territorians love their open speed limits!!!

[SSbaby]

Like I said over at the dark side's forum (yes the ban has been lifted :D !)... what's good for the rest of the world, apparently is no good anymore for Australia. Perhaps Bracks should talk to automotive engineers in Germany, France, Italy and the good ol' USA to lobby them about his novel idea. He should indeed pose to them the question of why speedo's display speeds of over 200km/h when speed limits usually stop short of maximum readings. I wonder what the engineer's responses would be?

Why change the way of the world now, Bracks? That's what I would like to know. The mere mention of such an unworkable proposal deserves to have this incompetent government thrown out, let alone the fact that it's unlikely to get through legislature. It just highlights again how out of touch our politicians are. Bracks and Batchelor are a HUGE embarrasment to all Victorians - about as useful as pockets on a singlet.

[SchrgdVSV6]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11336798%255E2862,00.html

"AUSTRALIAN-made cars would have speedos capped at 130km/h under a State Government plan to tackle the road toll.

Premier Steve Bracks said it made no sense to have cars that could display illegal speeds.
"If you can't go at 240km/h, why have you got 240 on the speedo?" he said yesterday.

"That's the issue, really. Why have that incentive? Why have that inducement?"

The idea was labelled naive by carmakers and faces opposition from the Federal Government.

But Mr Bracks was backed by Monash University Accident Research Centre director Ian Johnston, who said limited speedos would make them easier for motorists to read.

"Why is it that we have so little of the speedo devoted to judging legal behaviour?" Professor Johnston said.

"We're giving people a meter which isn't designed to help them comply with the laws."

Transport Minister Peter Batchelor will push for the new car design rules when he meets with his interstate and federal counterparts next week.

Limits for engine power and speed capabilities should also be considered, he said.

RACV general manager public policy Ken Ogden said the idea had merit.

"It's probably a move in the right direction, but it's not the top priority," Dr Ogden said.

He said Australian transport ministers had already agreed to introduce seatbelt warning systems, which will sound an alarm when a belt is not buckled up.

The speedo idea received a cool response from Australian car manufacturers yesterday.

Ford spokeswoman Louise Teesdale said the plan was simplistic.

"I don't think it's a logical response," she said. "Speed is a huge red herring . . . it is not a key contribution in a huge percentage of road accidents."

Ms Teesdale said Ford did not condone speeding, but more driver education would help reduce the road toll.

Mitsubishi spokesman Kevin Taylor said it was out of step with the rest of the world. Holden said it would implement road safety strategies based on scientific merit.

"Holden is not aware of any research that indicates maximum speed marking on speedo influences driving behaviour," spokeswoman Emily Perry said.

She said the idea also had implications for Holden exports, worth 36,000 cars last year.

Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries chief executive Peter Sturrock said the Victorian proposal was a distraction.
"There is no scientific evidence it would have any effect," Mr Sturrock said.
Better driver education and training would be more effective, he said.

Opposition transport spokesman Terry Mulder also dismissed the suggestion.

A spokeswoman for Mr Batchelor said the idea originated inside the Government earlier this year.

A spokesman for federal Transport Minister John Anderson said the Howard Government opposed the proposal.

It would also involve a uniquely Australian design specification that would be difficult to implement, he said.

"The Minister strongly believes better driving education and training would be more effective," he said.
Mr Anderson has proposed uniform driver training courses across Australia to start in 2007. "

[SSbaby]

But Mr Bracks was backed by Monash University Accident Research Centre director Ian Johnston, who said limited speedos would make them easier for motorists to read.

What if they're digital?

Good to know that there's a double-standard and that only local manufacturers would be affected.

[smoke]

In Singapore, the taxis etc have an audible warning bell, to let you know you are speeding :bash: PLEASE, PLEASE dont let them touch our cars in ANYWAY! pollies f--k everything they touch ( by the way all the taxi drivers are tone deaf, it doesnt slow em down, just annoys tourists) We definately need better driver training, for sure. A guy died yesterday on the Mitchell Freeway.He pulled into the right hand emergency stopping lane, and ran into the back of a parked truck :( Cops comments, " SPEED MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR" :mad: What the f--k more like stupidity or a major f--k up, speeds got nothing to do with it. Cause i bet if the car was doing 100km/h and hit the back of that truck, it would have been the same result!!!!!! They will neva stop peddling out the speed caused it bullsh/t, its too easy for them. My apologises to anyone who may have know the guy, not hacking on the deceased, just making a point!

[plonkerchops]

In Singapore, the taxis etc have an audible warning bell, to let you know you are speeding :bash: PLEASE, PLEASE dont let them touch our cars in ANYWAY! pollies f--k everything they touch ( by the way all the taxi drivers are tone deaf, it doesnt slow em down, just annoys tourists) We definately need better driver training, for sure. A guy died yesterday on the Mitchell Freeway.He pulled into the right hand emergency stopping lane, and ran into the back of a parked truck :( Cops comments, " SPEED MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR" :mad: What the f--k more like stupidity or a major f--k up, speeds got nothing to do with it. Cause i bet if the car was doing 100km/h and hit the back of that truck, it would have been the same result!!!!!! They will neva stop peddling out the speed caused it bullsh/t, its too easy for them. My apologises to anyone who may have know the guy, not hacking on the deceased, just making a point!

he ran into the back of the truck cos he was talking on his mobile...with it to his ear...........according to The West Australian today ... :confused:

[roo]

who gives a shit if friggin bracks wants his speedo maxed out at 130, it wont save 1 life.....my ute will do est.250-260kph,but if i get caught doin it i'll go to jail,it wont stop anyone doin 130 through a school xing.these half witted pollies are all just friggin wankers,fair dinkum, if the bastards were serious they might fix the f..... roads,give us real speed limits for hwy driving,so u dont nod off through boredom.give the kids some real driver education,bracks piss off over to cuba or some other shit hole with your bullshit,u know the real problems ect.ect, its not the cars,retard!!!!!!!!!!!!high performance cars my black arse!!!!!!!!! :booty:

[Bumfluff]

Bracks doesn't seem to realise that he has made a generalisation which seems to go against 99% of the population. EVERY car has a speedo which shows illegal speeds (perhaps not pre 1930-40's cars :p ) and the fact that he thinks citizens cannot be responsible enough to make their own choices has proved that he does not give a rat's arse about the people who voted him in (and the ones who didn't) which is rather ironic considering that it's 'supposed' to be a politicians job to represent the people and in most (if not all) cases the majority. Here's hoping this is the beginning of the end for this guy sounds like you guys south of the border have got it just as bad (if not worse) than our bunch of monkeys up here.

Cheers

Jase

p.s. I just remembered a funny comment I heard a few weeks ago regarding the water shortage in Sydney. Minister for planning Frank Sartor was asked why don't they build another catchment area in Sydney, his response was "Why would we do that? We are in the middle of a drought"....... Hahahaha! What a tool! :jester: :jester:

[borry]

who else is just sick of hearing this sort of crap ?

when anything like this comes on tv or the radio, i just simply turn it off. i can be bothered listening to them go on and on about something comletely wrong.

actually me writing this very post is against what i feel. let them talk all the shit they want, i just wont listen.

[jneil]

So who is gonna get a new car??? Probably nobody if they are limited to 130km/h or have a speedo that is limited (imagine the queue's for replacement speedo needles that hit the stop point and snap off!). Gonna hurt the whole of Australia.

We'll just have to spend the extra cash that we were going to use on that new car and all get supercharged strokers...that is a bright side for me I guess :D

Jeff.

[Bumfluff]

So who is gonna get a new car??? Probably nobody if they are limited to 130km/h or have a speedo that is limited (imagine the queue's for replacement speedo needles that hit the stop point and snap off!). Gonna hurt the whole of Australia.

We'll just have to spend the extra cash that we were going to use on that new car and all get supercharged strokers...that is a bright side for me I guess :D

Jeff.

Does that also mean you'll have to edit your avatar?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[turbo king]

who else is just sick of hearing this sort of crap ?

when anything like this comes on tv or the radio, i just simply turn it off. i can be bothered listening to them go on and on about something comletely wrong.

actually me writing this very post is against what i feel. let them talk all the shit they want, i just wont listen.

Yes you're right,giving any credence to this crap is counterproductive.However I just want to say that Bracks is a lousebound,underslung,snivelling ferret :booty:

[jneil]

Does that also mean you'll have to edit your avatar?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Holy crap!! You're right!!

When I made this I was going to do it so that the needle bent, then broke to bits at just over the 220km/h mark...now I'll have to do it at the 130km/h mark instead :mad:

To borrow a line from Ford Fairlane "Here's to you (insert main instigators here)...suck'n my di@k!"

[Alex81]

Up here it Darwin they said no way to that stupid idea, open speed limit and all.

[Smitty]

if anyone wants to complain or make comment
our (Vic) pollies email addresses are here-
http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/mlas.html
yep
you too can let Mr Bracks know how you feel :mad: :mad:

[Smitty]

To borrow a line from Ford Fairlane "Here's to you (insert main instigators here)...suck'n my di@k!"

and of course, you are not talking about Ford Fairlane ...the car, are you....?hehe

[Bekki]

A guy died yesterday on the Mitchell Freeway.He pulled into the right hand emergency stopping lane, and ran into the back of a parked truck :( Cops comments, " SPEED MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR" :mad: What the f--k more like stupidity or a major f--k up, speeds got nothing to do with it. Cause i bet if the car was doing 100km/h and hit the back of that truck, it would have been the same result!!!!!! They will neva stop peddling out the speed caused it bullsh/t, its too easy for them. My apologises to anyone who may have know the guy, not hacking on the deceased, just making a point!


Ok, so driving in a lane that's not meant to be driven in, it's for *emergency stopping* had nothing to do with it? I was gonna ask if the cops are idiots, but I know the answer to that one :p (at least the cops they let talk on tv are, anyway). They just spout these idiotic comments that prove that they're not looking at the factors of the accident, they're just using it as an excuse to justify more speed cameras raising more money.

I think it'd be hugely funny to have a cruise where no one did above 80 (not necessarily *fun* to drive in, but funny to see), to show the impact *stupid* speeds have on traffic (and road-rage, for that matter). Show our support for not changing the speedo display, by showing that we can all control the impulse to speed even with the current speedos, but annoy the hell out of everyone while we're at it. Would be even better if we could do it in front of Bracks's car, so he's stuck behind us all :lol:

Bek

[Smergen]

Hang on sooo....ok he wants to limit the speedo to read up to 130 eh? Why 130? isn't that 20 over the maximum posted limit for aust states anyway?! :confused: (NT excepted...and has anyone asked about that yet???? what do they do? have separate speedos for the NT Puh lease!)
And come to think of it....when I'm travelling through a 50kph zone my speedo says my car will do 130!! why does it need to show that since it is illegal.
Talk about putting spin in the air for the sake of hearing your own voice!! :mad:

[keepleft]

We definately need better driver training, for sure. A guy died yesterday on the Mitchell Freeway.He pulled into the right hand emergency stopping lane, and ran into the back of a parked truck :( Cops comments, " SPEED MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR" :mad: What the f--k more like stupidity or a major f--k up, speeds got nothing to do with it. Cause i bet if the car was doing 100km/h and hit the back of that truck, it would have been the same result!!!!!! They will neva stop peddling out the speed caused it bullsh/t, its too easy for them. My apologises to anyone who may have know the guy, not hacking on the deceased, just making a point!

Here you have got to ask why had the truck not stopped on the left emergency shoulder. Did the truck have its hazard warning lights on?

We need to look in new directions:

Warning triangles need to be mandated a la Europe. The quality.

[SSbaby]

I'm also supporting the same cause over at FF... Click here (http://www.fordforums.com/showpost.php?p=977540&postcount=168).

The gist of the comment I make is as follows...


What's wrong with lobbying for tougher licensing laws, which would encompass driver training? I suspect that many who would oppose it are either afraid they might fail the test and lose their current license or not willing to spend the time or expense to become better drivers. I just hope that none of these reasons apply to some of those who are supporting the Government's latest proposals.

[my_Berlina]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11336798%255E2862,00.html

"AUSTRALIAN-made cars would have speedos capped at 130km/h under a State Government plan to tackle the road toll.

....

But Mr Bracks was backed by Monash University Accident Research Centre director Ian Johnston, who said limited speedos would make them easier for motorists to read.



Is that the same clown who comes on TV to tell us that 'You loose half you speed in the last 5 metres'. So if I am travelling at 100 km/h I can wash off 50km/h in the last 5 metres, however if I'm only travelling at 30km/h I can only only wash off 15km/h in that last 5 metres.

I feel sorry for anyone studying Physics at Monash University.

Dave !

[exploder]

At least the Fedral Transport Minister (and deputy PM) has said the idea is crap. I think I may not hate a politician who's company car is a an SS that he drives himself...

[SSbaby]

Is that the same clown who comes on TV to tell us that 'You loose half you speed in the last 5 metres'. So if I am travelling at 100 km/h I can wash off 50km/h in the last 5 metres, however if I'm only travelling at 30km/h I can only only wash off 15km/h in that last 5 metres.

I feel sorry for anyone studying Physics at Monash University.

Dave !

As the saying goes... "don't bite the hand that feeds ya"... the professor is obviously complying.

[r8ls1]

Doesnt matter who you vote for anymore, theyre all crooked.

[F6 Hoon]

A guy died yesterday on the Mitchell Freeway.He pulled into the right hand emergency stopping lane, and ran into the back of a parked truck :( Cops comments, " SPEED MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR" :mad: What the f--k more like stupidity or a major f--k up, speeds got nothing to do with it. Cause i bet if the car was doing 100km/h and hit the back of that truck, it would have been the same result!!!!!! They will neva stop peddling out the speed caused it bullsh/t, its too easy for them. My apologises to anyone who may have know the guy, not hacking on the deceased, just making a point!

I agree smoke. Heard the same thing on the news. According to the police, there can only be 3 causes for road fatalities - speed, alcohol or fatigue :rolleyes:

Apparantly the guy was using his mobile, wasn't paying attention and veered off the road into the parked truck. Such an avoidable accident :(

[F6 Hoon]

Is that the same clown who comes on TV to tell us that 'You loose half you speed in the last 5 metres'. So if I am travelling at 100 km/h I can wash off 50km/h in the last 5 metres, however if I'm only travelling at 30km/h I can only only wash off 15km/h in that last 5 metres.

I feel sorry for anyone studying Physics at Monash University.

Dave !

Yeah, that's him. What kind of moron would advocate driving into an object (such as the truck used in the advertisement), when anyone with a little experience would only have to turn the steering wheel less that 10 degrees to the right to avoid the truck :idea:

I wonder if Professor Johnston factoring in braking distance if the car had new springs, shocks and 17 or 18 inch tyres?

[300GTS]

I have just read this thread. God you guys are soooo sad.

Buy a Murcielago move to the Territory leave your police state and drive over 300km/hr legally on any day you wish legally!!

That's what I did and I even bought 330 kph personalised plates to show I can.

Hey my speedo is calibrated to 360km/hr!!!

[plonkerchops]

I have just read this thread. God you guys are soooo sad.

Buy a Murcielago move to the Territory leave your police state and drive over 300km/hr legally on any day you wish legally!!

That's what I did and I even bought 330 kph personalised plates to show I can.

Hey my speedo is calibrated to 360km/hr!!!

I think its even more sad that you feel the need to , yet again, bore us to tears in reminding us with the fact that you own a Lambo........yes we know, youre real :moon:

Unfortunately 300GTS , for the majority of the population, thats just not a realistic option
Braggarts are sooooo sad

[300GTS]

Hey Plonkerchops,

Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone but the fact remains I left WA for that very reason. I was sick to death of car theft, radar (no cameras in those days) and police aggro. Just because I have a lambo doesn't mean I don't enjoy the forum nor that I think my car is better than yours.

Everyone has choices I just made mine different that's all.

You don't need to spend a lot of money to enjoy cars in the territory.
No amount of money will let you enjoy a fast car in VIC.

All the best

[smoke]

The sooner we get H.A.V.O.C up & running, the sooner we can give it back to these arseclowns :box: