No VZ Series II [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

jed55

13-11-2004, 05:17 PM

I was told the same thing today whle I was testing the new HSV. No vz ii, ve coming out feb 2006.

Liked the new clubbie, felt nice & stong down low (a4) which is the way I want it as I do a lot of traffic work. Not a big improvement over my vt11 clubbie but it only had 70km on the clock so very tight.

So now I have to crunch the numbers & the emotions (luv my tiger mica) and if all works out I may be sitting in my Impulse clubbie next weekend.

pah

13-11-2004, 07:13 PM

I hope you're all right.

Early 2006 is only a bit over a year away and the release of the VE (no VD?) will hopefully bring three BIG improvements. The introduction of:

* The LS2 (hopefully).
* Wishbone suspension.
* A rear end style that is better than VY or VZ

After the flack from the motoring press re the M6 gear shift and the improvements made by Ford to the same box, maybe VE M6 will be a bit better too?

Several good reasons to save my pennies rather than spend $ on my VY.

Regards from PAH

gto015

14-11-2004, 07:37 AM

i have heard different i heard there will be a vz 2 for sure

because there has to be changes to the cars before the end of 2005 to past the new laws that are coming

BlackClubbie

14-11-2004, 11:04 AM

..but there won't be any LS2 in the vz2 ( if it happens) . Who's going to buy an HSV then, if there's 297KW is a standard SS , unless they de-tune the buggers ...

hsv423

14-11-2004, 11:31 AM

..but there won't be any LS2 in the vz2 ( if it happens) . Who's going to buy an HSV then, if there's 297KW is a standard SS , unless they de-tune the buggers ...
id say they'll keep ls1 for series II vz...tune it up to 265Kw...then in ve with ls2 the ss will be prolly 280-5Kw...series II of the ve might be 297Kw 6.0-litre......lol im a bit too far ahead tho

ABS

14-11-2004, 01:53 PM

id say they'll keep ls1 for series II vz...tune it up to 265Kw...then in ve with ls2 the ss will be prolly 280-5Kw...series II of the ve might be 297Kw 6.0-litre......lol im a bit too far ahead tho

I'm guessing the LS2 Commodore SS will be detuned to 270kW.

flappist

14-11-2004, 02:27 PM

Holden not bring out a new model in 2005, yeh right.

There has been a new model every year since the 90s why would they change?
Owners might get used to having better resale value.... can't have that happen.

Before the flames start concider this:
A 2002 BAXR8 ihas jusy had a facelift and if it is an auto there is bugger all difference. Look at the average secondhand price.
A 2002 VY SS is 2 models old VY2 & VZ and the difference is very significant as is the secondhand price.

This is nothing against the car it is purely the markeing behind it.
But then they do sell a lot of cars even it many are runnout discounts.

VooDoo

14-11-2004, 02:52 PM

Id say there will be a VZII around March/April and with the LS2 (all the testing done in the HSV) with HSV going to 320+kw and the SV8/SS/Calias/Caprice scoring around 270/280kw

Thats what im betting on when im due for a new Caprice next year :)

Evil LS1

14-11-2004, 04:11 PM

I don't believe VE is coming out in February 2006; all info points to April release. So Holden would have to offer a VZ II in say July-August 2005 and I bet those with VZ's (and older too) would be pissed big time seeing such a quick update. Ford has learned it's lesson with the BA. Holdens II updates are a wank and they should get it right with the release of the new model and then wait two years for the next model.

I would have held off on the VZ until early new year, and given it a better upgrade (rather than the usual smoke and mirrors BS) and that would have easily seen them over until VE wo need for another dodgy II series.

Mozz

14-11-2004, 04:40 PM

I have heard from my contacts that SS models etc will get the LS2 in October 2005 - at least that's the word given to high volume V8 fleet mgr's.

hsv423

14-11-2004, 05:25 PM

Firstly, Voodoo, id love to see it m8, but putting the SS'S up 20 KW to 270kw in the VZ II would be staggering, it would be a more realistic figure tho for the VE... And putting the HSV's up 23Kw's in March when they've only been on sale for 6 months would be surprising too...but then again there is a rumour that there is a new 6.2 Litre coming.

I think it would be wise to put a LS2 in the VZ II V8 SS's or Calais only. Why? So holden can make sure there is nothing wrong with the LS2, try and snuff out those extra few kW's for the VE. But i doubt they will, Holden are saying the VE is a all new platform ect... so im guessing they will stick to HSV'S LS2 testing ( and hope like hell theres nothing wrong with the LS2 ) and bring out the whole new engine with the VE too. I also think it would be cheap of holden, if the did put a VZ II out, to try and rip some money of us with only a few minor facial changes.
~Hope it makes sense lol~

keen

14-11-2004, 05:40 PM

I was told by a holden insider that there will be no series 2 VZ, Also said that HSV wanted a stand alone Engine - loosing sales to holden - his guess was 6.2 lt to HSV come VE,also he has heard a rumour that there will be a limited release of GTS at 330kw next year?

A9X

14-11-2004, 05:50 PM

I have had it on good authority that depending on vz sales is what will trigger a series 2 (if they sell slowly) or just special packs (international etc) to move along the last of the old chassis's.
There definitely is an LS2 in VE (detuned version :( - nothing an LS2 edit cant fix :D ) running a new bosch engine management, and with a new 6 speed auto (optional paddle shift in HSV) with a NEW ZF manual 6 speed gearbox and then displacement on demand for VE2...
The other news is there is definetly plans for a forced induction 6 (Twin Turbo) as there are several test mules (four at last count) running the streets of melbourne...(hopefully giving XR6T owners the shits by being slaughtered by a stock looking VY2).
suspension on new chassis will be state of the art... and finally be able to have a car that steers and handles with out tyre wear issues.
most importantly is the way car is being put together, fit and finish targets are AUDI and MERCEDEZ standard as this is going to be a world car.

as i said this is on good authority... but as usual nothing is set in stone until the sign off for production (and bean counters)

by the way GTS is back with 330-340 kw as limited edition running LS6 with new 6 speed manual with some very different styling and handling.

See ya

I DRIVE AND I VOTE....

VooDoo

14-11-2004, 05:59 PM

My Wish list

LS2 in the SS, Calais and Caprice
5/6 Speed Auto (that can handle bigger hp)
Paddle Shift on the Steering wheel
Brake upgrade on the Stato range.

Ill be buying one in March/April so heres hoping i get my wishes.

BlackClubbie

15-11-2004, 11:02 AM

Funny stuff, Holden and Ford cars are a bit like Microsoft Software .... when am i gonna get my Clubsport R8 Service Pack 2 ( with all the patches and bug fixes ) ?

clixanup

15-11-2004, 11:55 AM

Funny stuff, Holden and Ford cars are a bit like Microsoft Software .... when am i gonna get my Clubsport R8 Service Pack 2 ( with all the patches and bug fixes ) ?

No, no they aren't.

The problems with the first of a series of cars made by either Holden or Ford are generally ironed out pretty quickly - without introducing other problems. By the time series 2 rolls out, they're pretty much on top of things.

Microsoft's patches ALWAYS create other problems. SP2 is a perfect example of this. But people still buy their crap - maybe that is the point: if Microsoft's software was as good as Holden and Ford cars, people would never upgrade...

flappist

15-11-2004, 03:26 PM

Funny stuff, Holden and Ford cars are a bit like Microsoft Software .... when am i gonna get my Clubsport R8 Service Pack 2 ( with all the patches and bug fixes ) ?

Why, are you finding the performance of your "RED vehicle" is showing intermittent loss of operational superiority by the "BLUE screen of death"?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wezza

15-11-2004, 07:40 PM

^ Highly unlikely. As we all know Red goes faster! :D

elisiX

11-02-2005, 06:53 PM

Went to a dealer today and I was told that there definatley will be a VZII.

The Monaro will get the LS2 (detuned) and the SS will go to 260 (current VZ Monaro spec).

Blind0wl

11-02-2005, 07:09 PM

I hope you're all right.

Early 2006 is only a bit over a year away and the release of the VE (no VD?) will hopefully bring three BIG improvements. The introduction of:

Uhh...ever heard of venerial disease?? ;) Think Id skip on a VD if I was Holden too!! :p

mavss

11-02-2005, 07:32 PM

Went to a dealer today and I was told that there definatley will be a VZII.

The Monaro will get the LS2 (detuned) and the SS will go to 260 (current VZ Monaro spec).
Stop playing with my mind damnit !!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

TimVYSS

11-02-2005, 07:33 PM

I was at the only Holden dealer here in Rockhampton getting some prices on 04 VZ runouts. After getting all the figures got to chatting with the salesman and asked when we'd see the LS2 in the Commodore, he said in a matter of fact way, August when the VZII comes out...... :confused: I asked him why this would beand he said "so they are not debuting a new engine and a whole new car at once, like they did with the vtII. Power figures he stated were approx, 280kw.

I was like ok then, what about he VE's? He said that they'll be out in March as you guys have been told.

Jac001

11-02-2005, 07:45 PM

VE Sedan and LWB (statesman) in march 2006 (production) so they should be ready for delivery in april 2006.

Wagon about 6 months later (possibly ute as well if it doesn't go to the US with the coupe).

There will be a VZ series 2 not sure when.

oz_utester

11-02-2005, 08:15 PM

a9x we all wish everything you said is true, time will tell

PJK

11-02-2005, 08:26 PM

I reckon we'll see a VZ series II - probably just cosmetic though to keep some interest going until VE arrives. As for VE, LS2 etc according to this

http://media.gm.com/division/2005_prodinfo/powertrain/engines/05_car_engine_specs.html

we will still have LS1 (261kw) in VE & W?(stato) series. Only likely candidate for LS2 would be the Monaro cause thats what the yanks are getting. As for transmissions, unless GM brings out or sources a 5 speed auto that can handle the torque of a V8 we'll still have the same crappy 4 speed.

ABS

11-02-2005, 10:04 PM

At the Brisbane Motor Show I was talking to the display manager and while he didn't directly state that there would be a VZII he didn't deny it. I suggested that the next hero colour on the Commodore SS in VZII, if there was one, would be Turismo, in like with copying the pervious Manora hero colour. He didn't deny my logic and did suggest the VZII would be a good way to clear out final stocks of the old body shape. So I'm assuming a 90% chance that there will be a VZII.

SCiFiRE

11-02-2005, 11:36 PM

goauto.com.au has VZII sketched for August.
Personally i dunno, hope its april. thats when im getting new ride.
but then, go auto also thinks HSV is going to import Corvettes (not just the motors, the cars)...which sounds a bit stupid to me.

BlackClubbie

12-02-2005, 01:26 AM

I'll get a corsport or a clubette R8, please !

elisiX

12-02-2005, 09:27 AM

I wonder what additions they could make to Monaro VZ II.

ie; S3 Monaro got the rear parking sensors and auto dimming mirror.

alexcs

12-02-2005, 08:22 PM

from the consistent dyno results the SS sedan and utes are getting stock of 210-220rkw, i reckon the SS's are already getting a cammed gen3. mine sounds and feels cammy compared to a few vy I and II's ive been in, and the kick in the pants is noticeable.

vzII SS = 275kw LS2, mark my words. figure it after end of financial year, would be stupid to have two updates in one financial year.

elisiX

12-02-2005, 09:13 PM

I seriously doubt the LS2 will be in anything but HSV and Monaro at VZII update with the Monaro probably at 280KW detuned.

I reckon the SS Ute, Sedan & Calais will stick with the LS1 and get 260KW.. a small but gradual move much like previous series I - II updates.

alexcs

12-02-2005, 09:17 PM

Ghia351

12-02-2005, 09:38 PM

I thought around Melbourne and Sydney motor show dates are normally the time of substantial car releases by all the big four so my guess is if there is a VZ series II it will be at the SMS as should the BA replacement. And if I were to bet, VE would be showcased at Melb 2006 or possibly Sydney 2006 but the latter show seems too far back so I pick Melb. 2006/March. IMO, if VE is due March 2006 and as word spreads, a VZII would seem likely to keep sales running to avoid a stall.