We test drove XR6 turbo and LS2 today!!

[BIG T]

Well my brothers, my step father and I test drove an XR6 Turbo today. Was not impressed at all, it doesnt have the neck snapping power as the GenIII, instead it seems to take off slowly, steadily building up speed. Still it was a nice car, the turbo six is silky smooth and the transmission is something Holden could aspire too.

We then decided to go to Boyed Holden in Parramatta. They only have one blue HSV clubsport LS2. They would only let one of use drive it, so my stepfather drove it. Considering it had 4 big blokes, a skinny bloke (sales guy) hot day with the climate on, it haulled like a freight train. It drives virtually identical to my brothers edited monaro III. The exhuast sounds nice and tough too. I also noticed that the LS2 does not have extractors like the LS1 HSV. Obviously HSV will add extractors on when it comes time to increase the power. My stepfather is a Ford bloike, but he had to admit that the HSV was a better drive than the XR6 Turbo. But he reckons the Ford GT FPV goes harder. I beg to differ. :)

[marcu5]

But he reckons the Ford GT FPV goes harder. I beg to differ. :)

Its funny how ford people only seem to have that comment to hold on too... lol. Although I havnt driven an xrt6 only a xt BA falcon, Im surprised that you wernt impressed overly with the turbo aslect of the falcon, I thought that they would of been better then that. But anyways.. :)

[SSbaby]

But he reckons the Ford GT FPV goes harder. I beg to differ. :)

I had a chance to witness a little of the Typhoon's performance as recently as last week - albeit from the back seat :( . Not a bad looker and goes OK but not as quick as I thought notwithstanding the 2 passengers on board. It sounded great from the inside and with leather and full sports instrumentation, the demo car looked fantastic.

My mate (forever a Holden man) was so impressed he ordered one in silver. But for $72K drive-away, I think it's stretching one's enthusiasm a tad far. Admittedly, the package did include Brembos ($6K) but no leather! For that price I would be looking at an LS2 R8.

I tried to get the mate to also test drive an R8 but he was convinced the Typhoon was the car for him as he had never sampled a high-tech turbo before and he was so in love with the car that he didn't even bargain... and that's before he even drove it! Anyway, he didn't care, he just wanted it! This will be his first ever new car, btw.

[Aus8]

I wouldnt compare a stock XR6T with a Clubsport personally. Thats Like comparing a SS to the LS2 really. A F6 would be a fair Clubby competitor if you can find one to test I guess is the issue. Apples with Apples.

The latest Wheels mag has a interesting comparo between F6, GT & Ls2 Clubby. Worth a read.

Cheers

Aus8

[aftahours]

I used to drive all the ford performance cars at my last job (as I have said before). It was my job to move cars from car yard to car yard, storage yards etc.

The xr6-t is quite disappointing for me. When I look at my 220rwkw commodore, the commodore definately has alot better acceleration, and just FEELS so much more oomphier.

I even drove a few DJR320 falcons, and they were nice, but still didn't really impress me compared to the gen3 with the same modifications.

XR6t burnt orange sedan looks absolutely gorgeous tho.

And tell your stepfather that he is dreaming if he thinks the gt or gtp goes harder than the xr6t, I totally disagree. They sound a hell of alot better, which may make you think they go harder. :D

[COSMOS]

I had a chance to witness a little of the Typhoon's performance as recently as last week - albeit from the back seat :( . Not a bad looker and goes OK but not as quick as I thought notwithstanding the 2 passengers on board. It sounded great from the inside and with leather and full sports instrumentation, the demo car looked fantastic.

My mate (forever a Holden man) was so impressed he ordered one in silver. But for $72K drive-away, I think it's stretching one's enthusiasm a tad far. Admittedly, the package did include Brembos ($6K) but no leather! For that price I would be looking at an LS2 R8.

I tried to get the mate to also test drive an R8 but he was convinced the Typhoon was the car for him as he had never sampled a high-tech turbo before and he was so in love with the car that he didn't even bargain... and that's before he even drove it! Anyway, he didn't care, he just wanted it! This will be his first ever new car, btw.


your mate is a lucky man to have found a car to reignite his passion in motoring to such an extent. i think we all lose sight of the real reason we love these cars in the holden v ford argument. They are about enjoyment, and getting an adreniline rush when you are in them. Obviously your mate has found what he is looking for - good on him.
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[MaDDoG]

I wouldnt compare a stock XR6T with a Clubsport personally. Thats Like comparing a SS to the LS2 really. A F6 would be a fair Clubby competitor if you can find one to test I guess is the issue. Apples with Apples.

The latest Wheels mag has a interesting comparo between F6, GT & Ls2 Clubby. Worth a read.

Cheers

Aus8

The Wheels article has the only thing the LS2 Clubsport doing better than the F6 Typoon and BA2 GT....fuel consumption. Biggest motor best economy...go figure. The rest is well.....a tad dissappointing when I read it. Rated best F6, next GT, then Cubby. :(

[gto015]

The xr6-t is quite disappointing for me. When I look at my 220rwkw commodore, the commodore definately has alot better acceleration, and just FEELS so much more oomphier. :D

Not on ford or holdens side here i like both cars

But to compair a standard xr6 turbo to a 220rwkw SS is a bit silly how about you give the xr6 turbo the same power then drive them both and see what you think??

You have to compair apples with apples like said above i would hope the ls2 clubsport was better than a xr6t there is a big price difference there

[GM350]

WRX,STI,SV8,SS,XR8,XR6T,F6,R8,GT drive it if you like it and you can afford it buy it.

[payaya]

The Wheels article has the only thing the LS2 Clubsport doing better than the F6 Typoon and BA2 GT....fuel consumption. Biggest motor best economy...go figure. The rest is well.....a tad dissappointing when I read it. Rated best F6, next GT, then Cubby. :(

interesting any performance times??

[ls1 VN]

your mate is a lucky man to have found a car to reignite his passion in motoring to such an extent. i think we all lose sight of the real reason we love these cars in the holden v ford argument. They are about enjoyment, and getting an adreniline rush when you are in them. Obviously your mate has found what he is looking for - good on him.
t

I agree with your comment, the other day i took a vx clubbie for a drive,nice compfy car. completely standed 255kw. I just did'nt get the adrenalin rush or wow factor of an old school ride set up with load exhaust, no body roll, body hugging seats and a live rear end.

[MaDDoG]

F6 Turbo 0-60 = 3.4 0-100= 6.3 0-140= 11.0 0-180= 17.7
quarter 14.6 @ 162 km/h

GT 0-60= 3.1 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.4 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 166

LS2 Clubby 0-160=3.3 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.3 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 169


rolling start 3rd 4th 5th 6th gears b/w 80-120
f6 3.8 4.7 6.6 9.6
gt 4.2 6.0 7.5 11.4
LS2 4.0 5.7 7.5 12.8 :(

Hope the columns came out OK.......

[payaya]

so to sum it up the F6 is the Freeway king, And the Clubby and GT are quarter mile kings, but the Clubby had more style in the trap speed department!

Very suprised the GT matched the LS2, i thought the LS2 would of beaten the GT easy from its lower weight and power advantage?

Maybe the new Ford T56 is doing wonders for the GT?

[evil_ss]

F6 Turbo 0-60 = 3.4 0-100= 6.3 0-140= 11.0 0-180= 17.7
quarter 14.6 @ 162 km/h

GT 0-60= 3.1 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.4 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 166

LS2 Clubby 0-160=3.3 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.3 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 169


rolling start 3rd 4th 5th 6th gears b/w 80-120
f6 3.8 4.7 6.6 9.6
gt 4.2 6.0 7.5 11.4
LS2 4.0 5.7 7.5 12.8 :(

Hope the columns came out OK.......


well i think ill wait for motor to to put some accleration times down as wheels is always slower in that department.I mean 14.2 for the ls2??? the vy2 clubby ran 13.5 1/4 in motor so the extra torque of the 6.0l should get it into very low 13's

[jed55]

LS2 Clubby 0-160=3.3 ..

Now we're talking :)

There was a breakout with the article talking about how they were having big traction problems due to the amount of rubber still on the drag strip from previous days meeting.

So it seems that these figures dont show the cars full potential. Makes you wonder why they bothered publishing them when they know they can do better. Maybe they should wait for rain next time?

[blackjacknz]

F6 Turbo 0-60 = 3.4 0-100= 6.3 0-140= 11.0 0-180= 17.7
quarter 14.6 @ 162 km/h

GT 0-60= 3.1 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.4 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 166

LS2 Clubby 0-160=3.3 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.3 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 169


rolling start 3rd 4th 5th 6th gears b/w 80-120
f6 3.8 4.7 6.6 9.6
gt 4.2 6.0 7.5 11.4
LS2 4.0 5.7 7.5 12.8 :(

Hope the columns came out OK.......

i saw these figures in the mag and was more than a bit surprised..esp on the typhoon. I was starting to worry about it compared to a my car.....being a super V6..with a few goodies.....but with the typoon running a 14.6 1/4...and mine a 13.1...i dont need to worry...

seems strange that the typhoon..rated at 270kw...(so est 270rwhp)....is 1 1/2 sec slower than mine with 276rwhp??

[MaDDoG]

Now we're talking :)

So it seems that these figures dont show the cars full potential. Makes you wonder why they bothered publishing them when they know they can do better. Maybe they should wait for rain next time?

Thanks for that Jed55.....seems my fingers are getting dislexic jbjdbkfbk

Whhels can be pretty harsh at times....seems they just wanted to be the first to do the comparo....strange how nobody has done this yet. Is there a supply problem with HSV.....I haven't seen one on the roads yet.
Having looked at the HSV web site I think a blue Senator is the go for me..... ;) Although I would like the new auto and not the old clunker.

[strife]

F6 Turbo 0-60 = 3.4 0-100= 6.3 0-140= 11.0 0-180= 17.7
quarter 14.6 @ 162 km/h

GT 0-60= 3.1 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.4 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 166

LS2 Clubby 0-160=3.3 0-100= 6.1 0-140= 10.3 0-180= 16.2
quarter 14.2 @ 169


rolling start 3rd 4th 5th 6th gears b/w 80-120
f6 3.8 4.7 6.6 9.6
gt 4.2 6.0 7.5 11.4
LS2 4.0 5.7 7.5 12.8 :(

Hope the columns came out OK.......

so why are people talking about supercar scare

[gto015]

The Motor times for the clubby , gt and f6 are much quicker

GT was 13.8
LS2 was 13.6 or 13.5 cant remember
F6 was 14.2 extra weight makes the extra power pointless over the xr6t

[F6 Hoon]

Seems most people who read the Wheels article only read the performance times, and jumped to their own comclusions. If you read the whole article the journoes wrote that their was no traction at the drag for any of the cars, but if traction wasn't an issue, it was the opinion that the F6 would have been the quickest car by far. Look at the 80-120km/h times - the F6 is the quickest by a country mile over the other cars.

As for the 220rwkw Commodore comparison against the stock Turboed Falcon - hardly fair now is it.

I haven't driven a LS2 Commodore, but have driven a VZ SS M6, and a Mk 1 5 speed Falcon XR6T. The VZ was a total dissapointment compared to the Falcon. For one, the VZ lacks torque down low where as the XR6T pulls from 1500rpm in 5th effortlessly.

I know I can't wait for my M6 XR6T to arrive :) A little PCM tweak, slight boostup, bigger injectors & fuel pump, bigger FMIC and exhaust and I know I'll be hunting LS1's down :lol: And prolly at half the cost for a H/C package for a GENIII :cool:

[Venom XR]

Those Motor times for the F6 were only published figures frpm FPV-derived results. Motor have yet to give it a full thrashing themselves.

[payaya]

yeah wait for the F6 to hook up should post a very good time! Also people Wheels test their cars with 2 people + half or more tank of petrol. While Motor do the same but with just the driver.

[BLACK 346]

Hasn't wheels already tested the Typhoon? I had a quick
glance the other day whilst shopping. The comparo was
between Typhoon, Nissan Skyline and an E49 Charger.
The Typhoon was the slowest.
I am sure it was Wheels.

[gto015]

I know I can't wait for my M6 XR6T to arrive :) A little PCM tweak, slight boostup, bigger injectors & fuel pump, bigger FMIC and exhaust and I know I'll be hunting LS1's down :lol: And prolly at half the cost for a H/C package for a GENIII :cool:

You are so right they are so cheap to hot up 300+rwkw is so easy to get will only cost you 5k at the most

[m@w8]

Seems most people who read the Wheels article only read the performance times, and jumped to their own comclusions. If you read the whole article the journoes wrote that their was no traction at the drag for any of the cars, but if traction wasn't an issue, it was the opinion that the F6 would have been the quickest car by far. Look at the 80-120km/h times - the F6 is the quickest by a country mile over the other cars.


I'm amazed how many people put so much importance over a single set of figures. :confused: Track temp and weather conditions can have a big effect (especially for RWD or FWD cars), not to mention the driver. And yet so many people look at magazine figures as gospel. :rolleyes:

[RATT]

I'm amazed how many people put so much importance over a single set of figures. :confused: Track temp and weather conditions can have a big effect (especially for RWD or FWD cars), not to mention the driver. And yet so many people look at magazine figures as gospel. :rolleyes:


I see your point m@w8, but from what I can see vt2execls1 is saying is that the in gear times show the real story albeit a contradicting one to the quater mile times achieved by Wheels, which quite frankly are in no way representive of the true potential of all three cars.

[m@w8]

I see your point m@w8, but from what I can see vt2execls1 is saying is that the in gear times show the real story albeit a contradicting one to the quater mile times achieved by Wheels, which quite frankly are in no way representive of the true potential of all three cars.

Yup, I was agreeing with vt2execls1... ;)

[V82xist]

You are so right they are so cheap to hot up 300+rwkw is so easy to get will only cost you 5k at the most

This is the biggest load of porkies I've seen for a long time. I have seen a lot of turbo fords spending a lot more money to get quick times at the drags and having expensive problems also.

What is you best time for the quarter mile or lap time gto015?
Power figures are one thing but real world times are another.

[carfreakxr6]

Just wait a few months for some proper times from the drags then we will all see just how great the typhoon really is :D But yeah i dont understand why they would publish times that dont show the full potenial of these cars. Hopefully they publish some better times soon

[gto015]

This is the biggest load of porkies I've seen for a long time. I have seen a lot of turbo fords spending a lot more money to get quick times at the drags and having expensive problems also.

What is you best time for the quarter mile or lap time gto015?
Power figures are one thing but real world times are another.

I havnt been able to run my car yet due to gear box problems

But what i said si true 5k and you will get 300+rwkw easy

[m@w8]

Just wait a few months for some proper times from the drags then we will all see just how great the typhoon really is :D But yeah i dont understand why they would publish times that dont show the full potenial of these cars. Hopefully they publish some better times soon

They publish the times they get on the day, and as has been said before, it wasn't a great day, with low traction.

I remember Motor testing the Liberty RS turbo and the VN SS Group A. On that day they were getting over 15 seconds for the 400m and well over 7 seconds for the 0-100.

Everyone knew the cars were capable of better, but on that day (27deg C track temp at Eastern Creek) that was the best they got. That's life...

[RICHO]

As an FF had the opportunity to drive both an F6 and a new LS2 Clubby over the last week. I didn't drive them back to back so bit hard to make a direct comparison. But my overall impressions.

The F6, just felt silky smooth, gear change is still pretty notchy but is direct enough. And it's really deceptive speed wise. It certainly wasn't neck snapping acceleration that I remember from V8 days, it just seems to build endlessly and when you do look at the speedo...it really was a case of HOLY SH@$ am I going that fast!! Overall a really refined package... Note that word "refined"... it felt far more euro than Aussie Muscle car. I'd love to get back behind the wheel again when there's a decent 6-speed auto behind that engine.

Now for the LS2......to sum it up WOW!!!!! That thing is a barely caged animal!!! It IS a full on, genuine Muscle Car!!! It feels like it from behind the wheel, and I liked the fact that you do sit "in" the car more. The gearbox wasn't a patch on the F6 for feel, but with that engine who cares!! It sounds fantastic (much better than an unmodified LS1). And the acceleration is absolutely instant, plant the foot and your head gets jolted back in the seat and I couldn't help myself I was grinning like a maniac!!

And for me that's the key difference....in the F6 I had a kind of self satisfied smile, a kind of, "now this is really nice" expression as I drove it, it was impressive, it was incredibly smooth, it was refined. The LS2....it was the maniac grin!! I was smiling like a kid at Christmas and about to burst into insane laughter every time I planted the right foot on the loud pedal. So which did I prefer???

At 32 (I know, I know, it's not that old..but it feels it!! These days surveys want to know what white goods I buy and not the pubs / clubs I go to!! It's depressing!!) and desperately trying to hold onto everything that is genuinely fun and takes years off my age...It would have to be the LS2...I could argue till I was blue in the face that the F6 is the "better" car...but it was the LS2 that took wiped 10 years off my age when I was behind the wheel. I just wish that engine came in a Ford body...then all my dreams would come at once!!

[Danv8]

Now for the LS2......to sum it up WOW!!!!! That thing is a barely caged animal!!! It IS a full on, genuine Muscle Car!!! It feels like it from behind the wheel, and I liked the fact that you do sit "in" the car more. The gearbox wasn't a patch on the F6 for feel, but with that engine who cares!! It sounds fantastic (much better than an unmodified LS1). And the acceleration is absolutely instant, plant the foot and your head gets jolted back in the seat and I couldn't help myself I was grinning like a maniac!!

I really need to get my butt in either for a spin. Now I wish LS2 edit would hurry up and arrive to really uncage the animal. The F6 sounds really sweet and I think Ford wanted a more euro appeal with the BA and I think they have done it.

Good read Richo.

[m@w8]

At 32 (I know, I know, it's not that old..but it feels it!! These days surveys want to know what white goods I buy and not the pubs / clubs I go to!! It's depressing!!) and desperately trying to hold onto everything that is genuinely fun and takes years off my age...

He he... I know how you feel. I'm 34! :eek:
If you're after something that's a ball of fun, have you tried an STI or EVO 8?
They're fun around corners too! ;)

[jed55]

Now for the LS2......to sum it up WOW!!!!! That thing is a barely caged animal!!! It IS a full on, genuine Muscle Car!!!

Welcome to my world. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.members.westnet.com.au/deef/

[dominik]

Great looking ride Jed. I'm sure you'll be hearing that a lot. I would have picked phantom on impulse but the aggressive lines stand out more in blue... good choice. I'll be honest and say I still prefer the VX shape over the VY/VZ shape in the Holden models, but the HSV VZ is a winner from all angles. (Btw, I'm glad they didn't add the bonnet scoops to the Clubby--it suits the GTO coupe better.) It's got a real badass look. Let us all know how the LS2 performs once you've racked up a few more Ks. I've heard the exhaust note and I like it a lot.

Btw, I've seen those plates around ;)

[HSVMAN]

Yeah forget all the crap you read, get in and drive one!!

Drove the VZ Clubsport Auto first time couple days ago....... HOLY F....K! Without T/C on, its nigh on impossible to prevent wheelspin :D
Great sound, neck snapping launch, so much fun.
Auto is better than before.
And well under 6 seconds 0-100 :dance:

[BLACK 346]

Yeah forget all the crap you read, get in and drive one!!

Drove the VZ Clubsport Auto first time couple days ago....... HOLY F....K! Without T/C on, its nigh on impossible to prevent wheelspin :D
Great sound, neck snapping launch, so much fun.
Auto is better than before.
And well under 6 seconds 0-100 :dance:

What did you time it with?

[jed55]

Btw, I've seen those plates around ;)
Hi Dominik. Another southsider, eh.

Which car did you see them on? I had them on my VX Berlina s/c6 and swapped them onto the VT11 clubbie when I got it earlier this year.

Done just over 900km so far and the exhaust note seems to be improving. Just gave it a good squirt up 140ish in 2nd when merging onto the freeway and it sounded tough. I only intended to go to 120 but it was sounding so good I just had to listen to it for a couple more seconds.

And as HSVMAN and some others have said, don't just read about it, drive one if you can. You will enjoy. :D . Haven't switched the t/c off yet. Have to save a bit more towards the next set of P Zeros.

For those who are interested, I have uploaded some more pix, including interior & under bonnet shots.

http://www.members.westnet.com.au/deef/

Fuel consumption is 14.5 l/100km, 2/3 traffic, 1/3 highway. nice.

Cheers

[Danv8]

For those who are interested, I have uploaded some more pix, including interior & under bonnet shots.

http://www.members.westnet.com.au/deef/

Nice pixs.
I think im gonna see if i can find some sound clips of an LS2 at full bollocks.

:D

[F6 Hoon]

You are so right they are so cheap to hot up 300+rwkw is so easy to get will only cost you 5k at the most

Thanks. That's good to know. Does the Falcon engine suffer from design problems like the GENIII does (noisy, high oil consumption etc)? Anything to watch out for?

[Danv8]

Thanks. That's good to know. Does the Falcon engine suffer from design problems like the GENIII does (noisy, high oil consumption etc)? Anything to watch out for?

Just hope it has stronger valve springs than the earlier models.

[kompiler]

Drove the VZ Clubsport Auto first time couple days ago....... HOLY F....K! Without T/C on, its nigh on impossible to prevent wheelspin :D
Great sound, neck snapping launch, so much fun.
Auto is better than before.
And well under 6 seconds 0-100 :dance:

Aint that the truth...
I've taken 2 autos for a drive now and a manual....while I must admit the auto definately had cleaner gear changes and a MUCH better feel to it, I couldn't go past the manual :D

Placed my order on the weekend for a Red 6 speed. Figure I can still live with gear changes while im young....

Delivery is not until Feb however...

Jed, make sure you keep us up to date. Its like episodes of Days of our Lives, cant wait for the next installment :p

[gto015]

Just hope it has stronger valve springs than the earlier models.

valve springs arent that bigger problem theyt cost $200 for a new set and then you dont have to worry about them anymore

[gto015]

Thanks. That's good to know. Does the Falcon engine suffer from design problems like the GENIII does (noisy, high oil consumption etc)? Anything to watch out for?

the only real problem is conrods but have had my car way over 350rwkw now and havnt had a problem with them yet i think it all comes down to good tuning

[BLACK 346]

Thanks. That's good to know. Does the Falcon engine suffer from design problems like the GENIII does (noisy, high oil consumption etc)? Anything to watch out for?

Your still on here bagging out the LS1. Like I said
last time, you might have had a bad experience
but just get on with your life bloke. And don't
expect your Coon to throw you into the seat like
the 334rwkw car in your avatar, even after spending
5g on it :lol:

[dominik]

Hi Dominik. Another southsider, eh. I live in the city but I spend a bit of time out that way.


Which car did you see them on? I had them on my VX Berlina s/c6 and swapped them onto the VT11 clubbie when I got it earlier this year. It was definitely the tiger mica VTII but I can't remember where. The fact I remembered seeing it means I've probably seen it more than once.


Done just over 900km so far and the exhaust note seems to be improving. Just gave it a good squirt up 140ish in 2nd when merging onto the freeway and it sounded tough. I only intended to go to 120 but it was sounding so good I just had to listen to it for a couple more seconds. Even though I like the VT/VX shape, I think the VZ Clubsport is definitely a step up in terms of looks and the stock sound of them is great like you said. It's a really nice car. I'll have to keep my eye out for an impulse blue flash going onto the freeway.

[HSVMAN]

Thanks. That's good to know. Does the Falcon engine suffer from design problems like the GENIII does (noisy, high oil consumption etc)? Anything to watch out for?
:lol: not if they are run in with mineral oil - not synthetic :bash: Only thing you need to watch out for now is the back of any car with an LS1/LS2 cos thats all you'll see :lol: Stop bagging it and get over it

[cosmo vyss]

This was posted previously by other members and i beleieve these describe it best.

your mate is a lucky man to have found a car to reignite his passion in motoring to such an extent. i think we all lose sight of the real reason we love these cars in the holden v ford argument. They are about enjoyment, and getting an adreniline rush when you are in them. Obviously your mate has found what he is looking for - good on him. :cool:

WRX,STI,SV8,SS,XR8,XR6T,F6,R8,GT drive it if you like it and you can afford it buy it. :D

it doesn't matter what car it is-- THE ONLY THING THAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE ENJOYMENT AND THE EXCITEMENT OF DRIVING A SWEET RIDE. :cool:

jb
just my thoughts agreeing with what some others have wrote.
Enjoy your rides cause thats why we have them

[Danv8]

valve springs arent that bigger problem theyt cost $200 for a new set and then you dont have to worry about them anymore

Well hopefully that $200 can go on tuning instead of replacing valve springs now. :-)

Mate had a 6 cyl BA XLS ute and his engine went early because of the valve springs Ford put a new engne in for him. He drives a Hilux now 4x4 is becoming more handy by the day.

[Danv8]

Your still on here bagging out the LS1. Like I said
last time, you might have had a bad experience
but just get on with your life bloke. And don't
expect your Coon to throw you into the seat like
the 334rwkw car in your avatar, even after spending
5g on it :lol:


Now now be nice the BA falcon has its own little quirks most likely to annoy the owners during the ownership.;)

[F6 Hoon]

Your still on here bagging out the LS1. Like I said
last time, you might have had a bad experience
but just get on with your life bloke. And don't
expect your Coon to throw you into the seat like
the 334rwkw car in your avatar, even after spending
5g on it :lol:

What's wrong mate, can't handle the truth? :lol: :booty:

Not bagging out the GENIII, just pointing out FACTS!!!!! :lol: Do a search for piston slapping, lifter clacking, oil burning issues the LS1 suffers from on THIS forum and you'll realise it's not me making up stories. At least I don't have my head buried up my arse pretending those issues don't exist.

And no, I won't expect the Falcon to throw me back like my old car did. I'll be expecting a whole lot more :dance:

Nothing quite like having a giggle at the reaction of die-hard Holden owners when a few home truths are pointed out :lol: :lol: :lol:

[F6 Hoon]

GOT350 - when did you're car come out with a 350? Last time I checked the LS1 was a 346. Unless of course you've installed a small block 350 chev in your car :lol:

[BLACK 346]

What's wrong mate, can't handle the truth? :lol: :booty:

Not bagging out the GENIII, just pointing out FACTS!!!!! :lol: Do a search for piston slapping, lifter clacking, oil burning issues the LS1 suffers from on THIS forum and you'll realise it's not me making up stories. At least I don't have my head buried up my arse pretending those issues don't exist.

And no, I won't expect the Falcon to throw me back like my old car did. I'll be expecting a whole lot more :dance:

Nothing quite like having a giggle at the reaction of die-hard Holden owners when a few home truths are pointed out :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nah, I know my car is far from perfect, but yes I am
happy with it (at the moment). Well aware that there
are cars out there with these problems and more,
I guess so far I am lucky. So no, my head is not
up my arse. I will say though that once the
Commonwhore is gone you won't find me hanging
around here giggling like a school girl as I try to get
bites from fellow car enthusiasts. Oh and did you
have your meanest Jack Nicholson face on when
you typed that first line? :)

[PepeLePew]

GOT350 - when did you're car come out with a 350? Last time I checked the LS1 was a 346. Unless of course you've installed a small block 350 chev in your car :lol:

Now we're just getting childish. How about some posts on the actual SUBJECT of this thread.

[BLACK 346]

GOT350 - when did you're car come out with a 350? Last time I checked the LS1 was a 346. Unless of course you've installed a small block 350 chev in your car :lol:

Who said my forum name had anything to do with
my current vehicle? Once again you are telling me
things I already know. I guess you could be forgiven
for thinking I had an engine swap though. At least
then I would have gotten rid of that LS1 boat anchor
I suppose :rolleyes:

[F6 Hoon]

Nah, I know my car is far from perfect, but yes I am
happy with it (at the moment). Well aware that there
are cars out there with these problems and more,
I guess so far I am lucky. So no, my head is not
up my arse. I will say though that once the
Commonwhore is gone you won't find me hanging
around here giggling like a school girl as I try to get
bites from fellow car enthusiasts. Oh and did you
have your meanest Jack Nicholson face on when
you typed that first line? :)

I sold my VTII, not my VXII Calais LS1 ;)

Guess I'm in a unique position of owning both an LS1, and soon a XR6T :cool:

[Drizt]

vt2execls1: people get sick of you repeating yourself.... yes we have heard your distaste for your old VT.... build a bridge..

enjoy your new xr6t...
you dont have to convince anyone that you have traded up... if you are happy who cares...

others would consider it a downgrade...

[BLACK 346]

I sold my VTII, not my VXII Calais LS1 ;)

Guess I'm in a unique position of owning both an LS1, and soon a XR6T :cool:

Good one mate, and good luck with the new one.
And I thought I was extravagant having one
fuel guzzler.

[F6 Hoon]

vt2execls1: people get sick of you repeating yourself.... yes we have heard your distaste for your old VT.... build a bridge..

enjoy your new xr6t...
you dont have to convince anyone that you have traded up... if you are happy who cares...

others would consider it a downgrade...

Hahaha, don't beat around the bush. Why not ask me "Please, please, stop bagging out our beloved Commodores. Please go away quietly :bawl: ". Nope, I won't.

It's ok for people to post their good experiences with the VZ, yet it's not ok to post experiences of other models?

Get with the program dude, and back on topic.

[BLACK 346]

Hahaha, don't beat around the bush. Why not ask me "Please, please, stop bagging out our beloved Commodores. Please go away quietly :bawl: ". Nope, I won't.

It's ok for people to post their good experiences with the VZ, yet it's not ok to post experiences of other models?

Get with the program dude, and back on topic.

You really are on a mission, aren't you.

[Drizt]

Hahaha, don't beat around the bush. Why not ask me "Please, please, stop bagging out our beloved Commodores. Please go away quietly :bawl: ". Nope, I won't.

It's ok for people to post their good experiences with the VZ, yet it's not ok to post experiences of other models?

Get with the program dude, and back on topic.

last post i make in response to you...

i dont care what your opinion is, you are entitled to it... but we are all getting sick of hearing your sob story broken record....

if i posted the same shit everytime then people would be getting pissed at me....

take a hint

[motomk]

Keep it on topic please or I will go Knife-like!

[Ghia351]

Keep it on topic please or I will go Knife-like!

How about this one, why would you compare a 240kW car with a lighter 297kw car and talk performance while if you could afford the Clubby why bother with the T? Even I would take a Clubby over an XR6T...did I say that?