Massive improvement after getting the GTS tuned with Dick Today

[Ryzz]

Just got home after spending the day with Dick tuning the GTS. Wow what a difference it makes. Sooo much more power, everywhere in the rev range.

Firstly we started with just correcting the A/F ratios which were pretty out of wack and lean since fitting the extractors. Once we fixed this we moved the redline cut out from 5500 to 6000 and put more timing in the top end to make it rev to 6000 happily. (Peak power is prob about 4500rpm, but that can be changed if i get a better manifold!).

Dick also experimented around with a setting that was limiting torque (like an abuse mode if you like) and as soon as we zero'd it out, the torque came back in tyre smoking amounts :burnout: :D

Off to WSID this wednesday me thinks, see if i can get a low 14!!!!

Thanks Dick, was money well spent, no regrets!!!!

[keen]

Good stuff mate , glad to here you have resolved a few problems :cool:

[Mongy]

Haleluleah. At last. Good to see you are finally happy Ryzz and now you can put all the other behind you. ;)

[Ryzz]

Haleluleah. At last. Good to see you are finally happy Ryzz and now you can put all the other behind you. ;)
Totally mate, drives like a weapon, and i love it. Only problem is i can feel the wallet getting dryer as i search for more power :rolleyes:

Some saving to do as the next thing i would do would probably be a new manifold and dual throttle bodies!!

[SLE355]

Totally mate, drives like a weapon, and i love it. Only problem is i can feel the wallet getting dryer as i search for more power :rolleyes:

Some saving to do as the next thing i would do would probably be a new manifold and dual throttle bodies!!

You will need a cam and some compression with that, $$$ :D

[Ryzz]

You will need a cam and some compression with that, $$$ :DHahhahaha possibly, need to look into it further, not going to be happening any time soon though, unless i wake up with a few bags with "$" on them in the boot of the GTS!!

[Febs]

Great to hear you've finally got all your problems sorted Ryzz. It doesn't surprise me that Dick was the man to sort them out either. :D

Hope to see you at WSID on Wed mate.

Cheers,
- Febs.

[Mongy]

Totally mate, drives like a weapon, and i love it. Only problem is i can feel the wallet getting dryer as i search for more power :rolleyes:

Some saving to do as the next thing i would do would probably be a new manifold and dual throttle bodies!! :lol: That's it, it has happened, you've got a taste of the power. You are now a gone duck. Once you start you just can't stop :p

[Ryzz]

:lol: That's it, it has happened, you've got a taste of the power. You are now a gone duck. Once you start you just can't stop :p
Is there a cure???

[220i]

Sounds great mate :headbang: I've always wondered if you could do something about the torque limiters, tyre frying sounds like fun! Any decent tuner should be able to sort out things like that right? Is yours a manual or auto? Is it possible to get a 'hard' tune for the power mode and a sedate one for normal?

Cheers

[sloone]

Is there a cure???
No. Not that I am aware of.

[Ryzz]

Sounds great mate :headbang: I've always wondered if you could do something about the torque limiters, tyre frying sounds like fun! Any decent tuner should be able to sort out things like that right? Is yours a manual or auto? Is it possible to get a 'hard' tune for the power mode and a sedate one for normal?

Cheers
I dont think you will get the same results on the torque limiter as the VT limiter is seriously scaled down compared to the VR/VS. As for the Power/Econ modes, i THINK you can, however im not a tuner so im not to sure.

Best bet is to give Dick a ring and he will set you on the right track. Worth the phone call if only to satisfy your curiousty

[MountainRunner]

Do you have any before and after dyno charts showing power & torque. That would be great to see. I am always curious how much of a change you need to feel it and where in the rev range does it feel the most improvement. I am always chasing more low down torque than upper power.

[VYSS]

Totally mate, drives like a weapon, and i love it. Only problem is i can feel the wallet getting dryer as i search for more power :rolleyes:

Some saving to do as the next thing i would do would probably be a new manifold and dual throttle bodies!!

Hey Ryzz man, it Dougy here from Fairlight. Dude your car must be sweet as a nut now! iam hearing ya bout the wallet getting dryer. Its like a drug addiction aye.
I got a vyss(1) bout 7 months ago, god i love these donks.
A couple of weeks ago a rushed in and chucked on supercat, catback zorst on my ride, and i frigin regret it.... E bay here i come, but thats another story.

Anyway, mad if ya didnt show me your ride,, , , i'd love to see it.

later skater.
:cool:

[Ryzz]

I am always chasing more low down torque than upper power.I agree with you there mate. Low down torque is what makes it fun to drive. Its the torque that lets you punch it out of a corner sideways (not that we on this forum would do such a thing :hide: )

[GTS215i]

Thats great news Ryzza, i was going to send u a PM , but i'll wait till i come up to wollongong and meet you next week to get the ins and outs of your latest tune.

I'll buzz you around thursday to discuss a meet time.

[BossV8]

Gday Ryzz

The tuning that Dick done to your car, did he use the new real time tuning he has been developing or the usual ls1edit way most guys get.....and if so do you think it made any difference to the way the car was tuned, $$ and/or wear and tear on the engine?

[brock05]

so what were the before and after figures Ryan and how did the curves compare?

[Delco]

Just got home after spending the day with Dick tuning the GTS. Wow what a difference it makes. Sooo much more power, everywhere in the rev range.

Firstly we started with just correcting the A/F ratios which were pretty out of wack and lean since fitting the extractors. Once we fixed this we moved the redline cut out from 5500 to 6000 and put more timing in the top end to make it rev to 6000 happily. (Peak power is prob about 4500rpm, but that can be changed if i get a better manifold!).

Dick also experimented around with a setting that was limiting torque (like an abuse mode if you like) and as soon as we zero'd it out, the torque came back in tyre smoking amounts :burnout: :D


Off to WSID this wednesday me thinks, see if i can get a low 14!!!!

Thanks Dick, was money well spent, no regrets!!!!


Now can I say TOLD YOU SO :p

Glad you finally got it all sorted out :D

[Ryzz]

Now can I say TOLD YOU SO :p
You can and you did. And i took your *cough* trusty *cough* advice and look where i ended up. Happy as a hooker on 2c nite :D


Glad you finally got it all sorted out :DDitto mate, its a pleasure to drive again.

[Ryzz]

so what were the before and after figures Ryan and how did the curves compare?
No dyno charts yet Brad, it was all done on the road, no dyno time was used for the tuning.

[Ryzz]

Gday Ryzz

The tuning that Dick done to your car, did he use the new real time tuning he has been developing or the usual ls1edit way most guys get.....and if so do you think it made any difference to the way the car was tuned, $$ and/or wear and tear on the engine?
BossV8, my car is not a LS1, as perviously stated, i found something better than a LS1, its called a 353 Stroker :D

That being the case, the Realtime software dick uses only works on the LS1's. Instead we used an older software package that was used as a datalogger, then we went back to his workshop, played with the tune in his editing software, flashed it and tried again, and so forth. Took about 8 attemps to get it all sorted to where i am now.

All logging was done on the road with me driving and dick in the passanger seat. No dyno time was used, and i personally believe that its better this way. Its tuned for the way i drive it on the road, in the conditions of the road!!!

[AQICLS3]

well done..........sounds like dick really knows his stuff by the threads I have been reading lately.......... :thumbsup:

[Clubby250]

The Torque Monster Is Back,

[Febs]

and i personally believe that its better this way. Its tuned for the way i drive it on the road, in the conditions of the road!!!

Couldn't agree more.
Tune on a dyno if you plan on driving on a dyno.
Tune on the road if that's where you do your driving.

That's how I see it anyway, and as my previous thread showed...it seems to work! :D

[BossV8]

BossV8, my car is not a LS1, as perviously stated, i found something better than a LS1, its called a 353 Stroker :D



:bash: I Should've seen the ride on the user descript!! (i'll use the too pissed after xmas excuse)

Looks like you got what you were after anyhow, a good improvement makes the car so much better to drive, and a good tune makes it ideal throughout the entire rev range

[MountainRunner]

I almost agree. But I think dilligance would have you do the initial power runs on the dyno to check that everything is ok, get those air fuel ratios too lean and your never going to catch it on the road. Having said that, final tune on the road is a must.

[seldo]

Like most of the posters who told you that you would need a re-tune when you change something major like fitting extractors, after all the shyt-bagging you gave Pacemaker and Sureflo, I'm surprised that you haven't been man enough to at least offer some sort of retraction or apology to them... At least it is now going well and you are happy...

[V82xist]

BossV8, my car is not a LS1, as perviously stated, i found something better than a LS1, its called a 353 Stroker :D


The only thing I've seen that's better than an LS1 is an LS2 :p
It's good news mate, you should be able to beat a stock LS1 now :booty:
C'mon lets see you get out there and into the 13s for the 1/4.
Well done to you and Dick.
:cheers:

[ShanghaiVZ]

Ryzz you behave yaself now. Btw there IS a cure... Sell your ride :(

[Senator 215]

My Automatic 215i Senator is 100% bog stock standard, even still has the original Bridgestone Expedia SO-1's. My best a WSID was a 14.796 and that was at 30 degrees with low humidity. Low 14's should be a piece of cake with mods and expert tuning. The Australian Muscle Car Club of NSW had a drag day at WSID a few weeks back. Mark Oastler and the Australian Muscle Car Magazine crew attended and are featuring the day in the March issue. 35 cars all up, sensational day, should be a fantastic read.

Here is a sneak preview.....

http://www.fujicolor.com.au/en/Album/Cover.asp?A=715942

Cheers,

Bob.

[brock05]

good to see you over here Bob

[Senator 215]

What's up with the other place???????????????????????

I am getting serious withdrawal symptoms.

Bob.

[Ryzz]

What's up with the other place???????????????????????

I am getting serious withdrawal symptoms.

Bob.
What other place is that one mate??

[Senator 215]

vkgroup3.com

[Mongy]

Sorry Ryan, there is no known cure for power addiction. It all comes down to how much you can or want to get your hands onto. I take it Greg was very happy for you when you appologised?

[SSbaby]

Glad Dick made you happy, Ryzz (and no pun intended!). I'm hoping he makes a trip down south... like soon. ;)

[brock05]

What's up with the other place???????????????????????

I am getting serious withdrawal symptoms.

Bob.

nothing at all Bob, just good to see you here as with your knowledge of the Holden marque i am sure you will be a valued addition here as you are on vkgroup3.com.

cheers
Brad

i know what you mean about withdrawals

[Ryzz]

I almost agree. But I think dilligance would have you do the initial power runs on the dyno to check that everything is ok, get those air fuel ratios too lean and your never going to catch it on the road. Having said that, final tune on the road is a must.
A dyno run would not pick up all the lean stops as a dyno is typicall done at WOT. A lot of the lean spots were on part throttle.

[VX2VESS]

A dyno run would not pick up all the lean stops as a dyno is typicall done at WOT. A lot of the lean spots were on part throttle.


can do part throttle on dyno, you just don't get the same airflow conditions, fan is one speed.

[CarlFST60L]

eeezzzz up... Whats this about 'better than an LS1' :stick:

Can wait to see it in full flight at the Jan skid pan day...

Forget the dyno, get ya ET/MPH...

[Clubby250]

eeezzzz up... Whats this about 'better than an LS1' :stick:

Can wait to see it in full flight at the Jan skid pan day...

Forget the dyno, get ya ET/MPH...


agreed, he is a little deluded on the ls1

i think he has been stroking a few more things then his car

his 353 stroker maybe how many times he does it a day and not cubic capacity

cheers brett

[Ryzz]

eeezzzz up... Whats this about 'better than an LS1' :stick:

Can wait to see it in full flight at the Jan skid pan day...

Forget the dyno, get ya ET/MPH...
Meh, crap times last nite, couldnt get a launch because of my diff single spinning. my MPH's we up though.

PB from stock: PB Tonight
R/t: .460 .150
60': 2.156 2.326
330': 6.056 6.280
660': 9.347 9.521
mph: 75.00 76.17
1000': 12.147 12.297
ET: 14.512 14.650
MPH: 95.28 95.70
K/mh: 153.34 154.02

[IIV8II]

can do part throttle on dyno, you just don't get the same airflow conditions, fan is one speed.

and you're not pulling the 'real' weight of the car

[MountainRunner]

I agree with all comments on the limitations of dyno tuning, BUT I still think its the first port of call before getting serious on the street for tuning.

And a BIG YES to horse power being an addiction. Last dyno run saw 375hp@wheels and I already have a box of parts to go on. Aiming for 430 to 450 at the wheels early in the new year.

[CarlFST60L]

Any 14 second car is a quick car! Was that an improvment on you last outing?

Its hard around hear coz so many people are doing sub 13's!

[Ryzz]

Any 14 second car is a quick car! Was that an improvment on you last outing?

Its hard around hear coz so many people are doing sub 13's!
Crap times because i couldnt even do my PB of 14.512. But as i said that is because of the Diff.

How easy do you think high 13's would be if i go 3.9's?

[CarlFST60L]

3.9 is usually good for upto/around 2 tenths... OTRCAI or similar ram air intake upto 3 tenths (on the LS1 as the throttle body position is perfect for that setup, not sure about the strocker)...

If your getting you diff fixed may as well put 3.9's in it, maybe even 4.11's unless your a frequent high way driver....

I just drove down the coast for 6 hours each way, i have the 3.9's, it sits on 2100rpm at aroudn 140km/h, drop it back to fourth match the revs to around 3200rpm, and off ya go, left a STi wondering what the hell just happened :lol:

[VRIIClubby]

heya Ryan, long time mate...

good to see what your getting now bummer bout the times they will come down though, def go the 3.9's with your 6 speeder, I have the 3.7's in mine and she still cruises nicely (well 10 months ago when i drove it last) but def get that Holden LSD fixed, mine slipped and carried on at East Creek went across in 3rd at a 45deg angle was fun though..

[Ryzz]

heya Ryan, long time mate...

good to see what your getting now bummer bout the times they will come down though, def go the 3.9's with your 6 speeder, I have the 3.7's in mine and she still cruises nicely (well 10 months ago when i drove it last) but def get that Holden LSD fixed, mine slipped and carried on at East Creek went across in 3rd at a 45deg angle was fun though..
How come you havnt taken her out in so long??

[VRIIClubby]

How come you havnt taken her out in so long??

Been a naughty boy :D

Got my licence back on Xmas Eve, So now just got to get the car registered, pain in the backside though cause she has to get a Blue Slip, anyone help here? So yeah she has been sitting in the garage covered in dust!

[Ryzz]

Been a naughty boy :D

Got my licence back on Xmas Eve, So now just got to get the car registered, pain in the backside though cause she has to get a Blue Slip, anyone help here? So yeah she has been sitting in the garage covered in dust!
I know a guy in DY that can help. PM me for details