Pwr Super Charger [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

ATOMIC MALOO R8

11-01-2005, 07:13 PM

HI all, just would like to know has any one got a PWR supper charger kit from POWER TORQUE yet, I had a look at them at the nats nice and tidy, $10,000 drive in drive out :( .HARROP one is very simaler drive is a bit differant in take is at an angle witch makes it look differant ,$5,700 + 700 to fit + intercooler [ not sure how much for that ]+ tune.{ comes with a ruff tune }so I guess there is not much differance price
wise at the end of the day, after you spend $$ on a tune ,and biger injectors as they recomended .no one said aney thing about a blue plate ether{ QLD} what do you guys think?? I'm still leaning to wards 454 stroker .HARROP one coming at the end of the year so they say . CHEERS

JohnS

11-01-2005, 07:54 PM

Have either have been release to the public or tested by the public in final form? Try Mark's Workshop website, they have been selling and installing Eaton LS1 kits for years and have heaps of dyno sheets posted on their site.

VooDoo

11-01-2005, 08:21 PM

JohnS

11-01-2005, 08:42 PM

Mark imports them direct. I belive its a bigger unit than the Harrop one.

Interesting point, Harrop's site says "Harrop LS112 supercharger assembly using Eaton internals", Mark's site says "M112 Eaton compressor". I wonder what the difference is. Does Harrop's LS stand for Lysholm which is meant to be a more efficient type of compressor?

ATOMIC MALOO R8

11-01-2005, 08:49 PM

Marks SC from PT isnt a PWR kit. Mark imports them direct. I belive its a bigger unit than the Harrop one. Mark can advise on options for the kits as well as build strokers or pretty much any other mod you care to make on your LS1. Give him a ring and he will happily discuss what you want from your car and assist you in achieving it. PWR web site list POWER TORQUE and MARKS WORKSHOP as agents and fitters for thear supper charger kits

VooDoo

11-01-2005, 08:58 PM

Lysholm = Eatons Same ppl. (google it and you will find the link)

From what i know, Lysholm is the company and Eatons is the Product/Brand.

Edit: ok... i googled and Lysholm looks more like a whipple than the eaton so im confused as well. http://www.opconab.com/subStart.asp?sPage=1&ContentID=14&langID=1&CompanyID=14

Mark is also a Harrop agent but the PD's he has been fitting in QLD come from overseas and not from Harrop or PWR. They are also intercooled which i dont think Harrop have released yet. In short there are PWR, Harrop and PT kits available.

Either way Mark can fit any of these for you and be able to tell you the differances between them all (im not that technical so im not going to try)

BTW. Mark is the owner of Powertorque and not the Mark from "Marks Workshop" which also do Eatons and Whipple PD Superchargers.

Confused now too?

ATOMIC MALOO R8

11-01-2005, 09:12 PM

Marks SC from PT isnt a PWR kit. Mark imports them direct. I belive its a bigger unit than the Harrop one. Mark can advise on options for the kits as well as build strokers or pretty much any other mod you care to make on your LS1. Give him a ring and he will happily discuss what you want from your car and assist you in achieving it. ALL ready got a price on a 410 stroker from P.T. $ 20.000 drive in drive out .got an edit from thear to ,he said a 454 would be a fair bit dearer . :shock:

VooDoo

11-01-2005, 09:17 PM

There is a really nice 442cu VX SS in there atm getting a freshen up.

I believe Mark can also do the APS Twin turbo and LS1Turbo kits so they are a good option these days as well.

nqcv8

12-01-2005, 07:37 AM

Marks SC from PT isnt a PWR kit. Mark imports them direct. I belive its a bigger unit than the Harrop one. Mark can advise on options for the kits as well as build strokers or pretty much any other mod you care to make on your LS1. Give him a ring and he will happily discuss what you want from your car and assist you in achieving it.

I was at Powertorque on the Monday before Xmas and they had a PD Blower in the Display Case.
Paul told me it was a PWR Kit, Is this not the Case ?

Cheers
Sean

VooDoo

12-01-2005, 08:09 AM

Hmm.. stuffed if i know then. Mark himself said he was importing them but maybe he is just doing the PWR kits now. Ill let Paul answer as he is the PT rep on here.

RhysB

12-01-2005, 08:11 AM

Mate Im pretty sure the "Powertorque" superchargers are the PWR ones. I say that because they were working direct with Kees Weel (ie Paul weels old man) during the development. Shauns Monaro (OLS157) was the development car for the PWR kits. But hey, If Im wrong, Im wrong. Either way, them is a good kit, not badly priced, and offer a very torquey upgrade with good overall power also.
Another option is a PT 383 stroker kit. They are well priced also, and more than likely will be my next upgrade. :)

VooDoo

12-01-2005, 08:16 AM

Ive forwarded this thread to Paul for clarification. I agree Rhys, its a damn nice bit of gear regardless of what brand is on them. Shauns car sounds very nice and he is very happy with it.

Anyone know the differance between the Whipple and Eaton brands?

LYTNING

12-01-2005, 09:08 AM

Rhys is on the money.

We did some of the original aftermarket R&D on the PWR kit using BULLETT's monaro. We are an official supplier/fitter of the kit.

GETUTED

12-01-2005, 09:37 AM

I'm still leaning to wards 454 stroker .HARROP one coming at the end of the year so they say . CHEERS

:eek: 454 stroker?? Any more info on this Red? A friend of mine (cubic nutter) would be v interested!!!

BULLETT

12-01-2005, 01:49 PM

Hi All

As has been posted I have had one of these kits fitted to my car for the last 3 months.

As Lytning mentioned, the kit from Power Torque is the PWR kit and a very nice piece of gear.

Whilst this combination will not win you any dyno comps, the driveabilty is sensational. Bucket loads of torque from 1800 rpm means no matter what gear you are in, it just pulls away so easily. Road manners are very similar to a torquey N/A stroker.

Power wise we have achieved 284 rwkw using 5.5 pounds of boost. This has equated to a quarter mile time of 12.6 @ 114.88 mph in a full weight M6 Monaro using 245/35 19 Wanli street tyres. Traction is bit of a problem with wheelspin in first and second knocking valuable tenths of the et.

As far as blue plates are concerned Power Torque can also supply these when the kits are fitted, although you should confirm this with Mark.

Next step will be to try and increase boost to around 8 - 9 psi which is similar to the boost levels from the harrop kit.

Overall, a great kit for those looking for a very torquey daily streeter.

Martin_D

12-01-2005, 01:59 PM

Q: What does a supper charger do?
A: Bring your dinner in a hurry!

vxcalaiszzz

12-01-2005, 06:29 PM

Q: what does a turbo do?
A: make a nice entree to supper. :hide:

Ken

15-01-2005, 07:37 AM

Lysholm = Eatons Same ppl. (google it and you will find the link)

From what i know, Lysholm is the company and Eatons is the Product/Brand.

Just to clarify...

Lysholm are the Swedish company that make the twin-screw superchargers (as sold in USA by Wipple) and do not make any Roots (tri-lobe) superchargers. Lysholm are part of the Opcon group, and hold the patents and licencing of most twin-screw technology. They supply a few OEMs, Whipple & Harrop.

Eaton are the USA company that make the Roots style units and supply to OEMs, Magnuson (~Northern hemisphere) & Harrop (~Southern hemisphere).

To add some confusion, the Lysholm units are supplied to Eaton for fitment into the Ford GT under a licencing agreement in place between Eaton & Lysholm. It is possible Eaton may consider manufacturing twin-screw units in the future, but do not produce any presently. All "Eaton" twin-screws are made in the Lysholm's Stockholm facility.

JohnS

15-01-2005, 01:36 PM

Just to clarify...

Lysholm are the Swedish company that make the twin-screw superchargers (as sold in USA by Wipple) and do not make any Roots (tri-lobe) superchargers. Lysholm are part of the Opcon group, and hold the patents and licencing of most twin-screw technology. They supply a few OEMs, Whipple & Harrop.

Eaton are the USA company that make the Roots style units and supply to OEMs, Magnuson (~Northern hemisphere) & Harrop (~Southern hemisphere).

To add some confusion, the Lysholm units are supplied to Eaton for fitment into the Ford GT under a licencing agreement in place between Eaton & Lysholm. It is possible Eaton may consider manufacturing twin-screw units in the future, but do not produce any presently. All "Eaton" twin-screws are made in the Lysholm's Stockholm facility.

Ken is the Harrop LS112 supercharger assembly using Eaton internals a roots style supercharger and what is the difference between the twinscrew and roots design in terms of performance and economy?

Ken

15-01-2005, 05:57 PM

Ken is the Harrop LS112 supercharger assembly using Eaton internals a roots style supercharger and what is the difference between the twinscrew and roots design in terms of performance and economy?

The Harrop Stealth LS112 uses the 5th generation M112 "twisted roots" style rotors manufactured by Eaton (Georgia, USA).
To answer the "performance" question is not clear-cut ... it depends on what the measure is. :yup:
The Eaton/roots is a pump, not a compressor.
The Lysholm/twin-screw is a true compressor.
The Eaton will consistently produce up to ~8psi reasonably efficently (not too much parasitic loss) and tops out by about 12psi.
The Lyshlom is not as efficent at low boost <~5psi, but is very good between 5 and 20psi. The Lysholm unit is significantly more expensive to manufacture and is less forgiving to foreign matter ingestion which may have some impact on the life of the twin-screw rotors. :(

Hope this helps ...

NinetySix

15-01-2005, 06:26 PM

i would prefer a twin screw myself any day of the week :cool:

JohnS

15-01-2005, 06:47 PM

The Harrop Stealth LS112 uses the 5th generation M112 "twisted roots" style rotors manufactured by Eaton (Georgia, USA).
To answer the "performance" question is not clear-cut ... it depends on what the measure is. :yup:
The Eaton/roots is a pump, not a compressor.
The Lysholm/twin-screw is a true compressor.
The Eaton will consistently produce up to ~8psi reasonably efficently (not too much parasitic loss) and tops out by about 12psi.
The Lyshlom is not as efficent at low boost <~5psi, but is very good between 5 and 20psi. The Lysholm unit is significantly more expensive to manufacture and is less forgiving to foreign matter ingestion which may have some impact on the life of the twin-screw rotors. :(

Hope this helps ...

Thx Ken that does help and is inline with my previous undetrstanding that if you wanted 10lbs or less boost the the eaton is a good choice.

When will you release the final product, technical data and dyno sheets?

Ken

16-01-2005, 08:32 AM

i would prefer a twin screw myself any day of the week :cool:

Assuming we are still referring to superchargers (rather than having fun with some biological beings born on the same day) ...

Me too ... for pure power. (Hence the reason we are developing the Lysholm kit, allbeit still some time off ... probably 6-9 months :( ).

However ... when price and durability are considered, in line with how most people drive their cars for the majority of the time (everyday transport), the Stealth LS112 has a lot of merit. ;)

Ken

16-01-2005, 08:54 AM

Thx Ken that does help and is inline with my previous undetrstanding that if you wanted 10lbs or less boost the the eaton is a good choice.

When will you release the final product, technical data and dyno sheets?

We are currently building a production run of 40 kits (about 25 pre-sold) for delivery starting in late Feburary.

Technical data is available now ... what would you like to know?

We are refraining from posting our own dyno results, as we use a DynaPack unit (attaches directly to the wheel hubs, thereby overcoming the inconsistency of tyre heat/design/distortion, torque steer, loss of traction, attachment/tie-down variation ... www.dynapack.com), and we do not want to be accused of posting inflated figures. :teach:
I would suggest you talk with some of the tuners that have done a fitment or had a dyno-test. Try Mario at Autotechnique, or Matt/Glenn at G&D, or Geoff/Rob at JHP. Peter at CSV is doing an installation next week. There are also a couple of other kits out there ... but I do not think it is appropriate for me to post individual's contacts on the forum.

Autotechnique and G&D have some dyno figures ... perhaps they will be posted. :burnout:

NinetySix

16-01-2005, 10:41 AM

Assuming we are still referring to superchargers (rather than having fun with some biological beings born on the same day) ...

Me too ... for pure power. (Hence the reason we are developing the Lysholm kit, allbeit still some time off ... probably 6-9 months :( ).

However ... when price and durability are considered, in line with how most people drive their cars for the majority of the time (everyday transport), the Stealth LS112 has a lot of merit. ;)

yeah they certainly aint cheap...

i would be very curious to see how such a high quality blower would perform on a smaller engine thats typically turbo'd like a rotary or a RB26... would it have decent bottom end power with the same up top? :confused:

Ken

18-01-2005, 06:53 PM

Matt at G&D has some info at http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=34389

RedbackTT4.0

18-01-2005, 08:50 PM

Are these the Magnuson superchargers as I know them??
See link
http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/forum_3/showthread.php?t=46209

RedbackTT4.0

18-01-2005, 08:55 PM

http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfelter/product.asp?dept%5Fid=125&pf%5Fid=595
Are these the same thing that is produced be Jerry Magnuson in the states as above??

Ken

19-01-2005, 08:12 AM

Are these the Magnuson superchargers as I know them??
See link
http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/forum_3/showthread.php?t=46209

At the risk of being perceived as hyjacking this thread ...

The PWR kit is fundamentally the Magnuson GTO kit ... Magnuson have been in the supercharger business for a long time and do good things. My understanding from our discussions with Magnuson is that PWR also make the intercooler components.

The Harrop solution has no ties with the PWR/Magnuson kit ... it has been independantly developed here. The only common components are the M112 rotor assemblies from Eaton.

Magnuson & Harrop have a relationship that goes back several years and Harrop do stock some Magnuson products, but not their GTO kit.

VooDoo

19-01-2005, 11:06 AM

Ken

19-01-2005, 12:08 PM

I know i read it somewhere but a search failed to find it. What is the differance in boost between the PWR and Harrop kits. I know the kits have the same base M112 but shaun mentioned the Harrop ones run a higher boost and ultimately will produce more power. Can you clarify this for me Ken?

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I will leave others to report on the PWR kit's boost ... but we have experienced on our kit:

Typically 6.5 to 8.0 psi on our "as shipped" kit, but we have an optional range of pulleys that have shown to consistantly deliver up to 11.5 to 12.0psi.
It should be noted that the efficiency and life of supercharger may be compromised by running high-boost/rpm for extended times, to say nothing of the engine stress :eek:
We STRONGLY recommend installing higher-flow injectors for anybody spending time in the >5500 rpm area.

With the pulley upgrade, we have seen rwkw numbers that are a little scary for a standard engine. :shock:

BULLETT

19-01-2005, 01:24 PM

5.5 psi for the PWR kit.

RedbackTT4.0

19-01-2005, 07:29 PM

At the risk of being perceived as hyjacking this thread ...

The PWR kit is fundamentally the Magnuson GTO kit ... Magnuson have been in the supercharger business for a long time and do good things. My understanding from our discussions with Magnuson is that PWR also make the intercooler components.

The Harrop solution has no ties with the PWR/Magnuson kit ... it has been independantly developed here. The only common components are the M112 rotor assemblies from Eaton.

Magnuson & Harrop have a relationship that goes back several years and Harrop do stock some Magnuson products, but not their GTO kit.

Can't see in neither of my posts where I related it to Harrop...

Harrop don't sell it coz PWR beat them to it.. My thoughts anyway. :rolleyes:

JohnS

19-01-2005, 08:16 PM

Can't see in neither of my posts where I related it to Harrop...

Harrop don't sell it coz PWR beat them to it.. My thoughts anyway. :rolleyes:

Such gratitude :rolleyes: He answered your question and provided some uselful information for other board users such as me. Thanks Ken.

VooDoo

19-01-2005, 10:41 PM

Thanks Ken for the info. After talking to G&D, PT and some users not to mention your comments in here, im now a lot better educated about these kits.

RedbackTT4.0

20-01-2005, 07:35 PM

Such gratitude :rolleyes: He answered your question and provided some uselful information for other board users such as me. Thanks Ken.

I know he answered my question, but I only said that I did not mention harrop. Is there something wrong with me having a rebuttle??

JohnS

21-01-2005, 12:56 AM

I know he answered my question, but I only said that I did not mention harrop. Is there something wrong with me having a rebuttle??

He answers your question, you don't say thanks, in your own words you rebut him. If you think it's normal to rebut people who help you out then we were brought up differently.

gameover

21-01-2005, 08:24 AM

Can't see in neither of my posts where I related it to Harrop...

Harrop don't sell it coz PWR beat them to it.. My thoughts anyway. :rolleyes:

Harrop don't sell the PWR kit cos they are in fact the peer of Magnusson for the southern hemisphere Eaton manufacturing (as Ken posted earlier).

FWIW, i have seen a PWR kit make over 300rwkw at 6 PSI with a not very s/c friendly camshaft installed (ie. 245 on 106lsa) and thru the stock throttle body. In anycase these great value low'ish boost kits are all about bottom end torque (which they all have excessive amounts of) not dyno queen numbers.

I guarantee even if the things only made 250rwkw at the top end most folks wouldn't even notice or care due to the midrange. In fact i'd say a better measure of these kits (even Martin's Gen-T) would be area under the curve from 2500-5500rpm. It would be nice to see the manufacturers have a "battle of the numbers" where it really counts IMHO.

my 2c.

Ken

21-01-2005, 08:34 AM

Can't see in neither of my posts where I related it to Harrop...

Harrop don't sell it coz PWR beat them to it.. My thoughts anyway. :rolleyes:

No offence taken (and I doubt any was intended). You will have to work a WHOLE lot harder than that to offend me. :p

For the record, we started developing this kit over 3 years ago and intended to release it mid last year but were not comfortable with the durability of some of the components, so delayed the release while we continued with a verification program.
Although the Magnuson kit may have been commercially available prior to the Harrop kit, I think the jury is still out regarding "beat them to it".... All forms of competition is good; Friendly competition is great. :D

RedbackTT4.0

21-01-2005, 06:34 PM

Wasn't trying to offend you at any point Ken nor anyone else, although it seems that some people have their knickers in a knot and have been offended. I'll just keep my experience and knowledge to myself. No skin off my nose. Their loss not mine.
As for the other statements regarding Ken answering my question and me not thanking him. I was just asking for a simple remark as to whether or not they were in fact the same thing before I said something that I NOW know(thanks KEN) is not the same thing. A thing that many people do not do before making stupid comments before knowing the facts(100% right). The magnuson supercharger/intercooler is perched upon the LS1 that we have on the new/never seen before car that is being created where I work.
My boss was going to be a dealer for the Magnuson kit but chose not to as PWR are doing it and Harrop have a similiar kit now. My boss is good friends with Jerry and he has sponsored the car that we build.
Oops I've just done something that I said that I wouldn't do at the tops of my post, oops. Mouth now shut, fingers away from keyboard.
Gentlemen have a good day.........

HRT Stroker

21-01-2005, 07:16 PM

Keep this on track guys, personal stuff via PM's if necessary..........

Niggle

23-01-2005, 08:14 PM

With the pulley upgrade, we have seen rwkw numbers that are a little scary for a standard engine. :shock:

What sorta figures did the pulley upgrade yield?

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 08:47 PM

I guarantee even if the things only made 250rwkw at the top end most folks wouldn't even notice or care due to the midrange. In fact i'd say a better measure of these kits (even Martin's Gen-T) would be area under the curve from 2500-5500rpm. my 2c.

Nice thought. Dont include the Gen-T intercooled turbo kit in this though. It easily makes 340-350rwkw with 6psi of boost on a standard motor, and more torque than any PD kit at the same boost.
Why? Its simply better and more efficient in every regard.

Gareth@Willall

23-01-2005, 08:48 PM

Nice thought. Dont include the Gen-T intercooled turbo kit in this though. It easily makes 340-350rwkw with 6psi of boost on a standard motor, and more torque than any PD kit at the same boost.
Why? Its simply better and more efficient in every regard.

Now thats confidence!

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 09:22 PM

Now thats confidence!

It might be confidence....but its also Physics :cool:

SLE355

23-01-2005, 09:50 PM

And physic's says 500rwhp=more than 116mph :lol:

Flame suit on :flame:

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 09:56 PM

Hey thats no prob
On the Nankangs or whatever B ran, I reckon that was pretty reasonable going. Try it sometime :)

keen

23-01-2005, 10:00 PM

116mph , unopened, on street tyres (l might B wrong ,at it first outing?)Impressive in my book

SLE355

23-01-2005, 10:01 PM

I've only tried it with Falken ZE-326 18's with the stock driveline and got 113.9 with 360 odd rwhp, not bad going i thought.

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:10 PM

Remember SLE, the more power you have, the worse the problem of street tyres versus wheelspin becomes. Our old Tonner has only 450rwhp and sat there, on the limiter pushing over the line at 118mph, even with the built in tray top airbrake system :). Our cars are street cars, with full interiors and bodies running on street tyres and pump gas.

SLE355

23-01-2005, 10:12 PM

Yes, i know exactly what you mean ;)

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:17 PM

So much for that 1/4 mile MPH is the ultimate test of power argument... :)

I guess we're all about to the learn why 6psi produces different results under different situations... Either quickly, or by thread torture... :)

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:20 PM

I guess we're all about to the learn why 6psi produces different results under different situations... Either quickly, or by thread torture... :)

What does this mean? :confused:

VooDoo

23-01-2005, 10:24 PM

Happy dyno's and unhappy tracks. Between the 2 I think you could get anyone to believe anything.

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:25 PM

Well, your 6psi fi setup produces more power than some alternative 6psi setups, and it's just physics, so clearly the psi bit of physics is not the bit we need to know about. We need to know the good stuff - even if it hurts us... What is different about the GenT at 6psi that makes it produce so much power? Is it CFM, i.e. greater volume of air at 6psi, or is it tune, or cam?

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:25 PM

Is every dragstrip and day supposed to yield the same result?

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:26 PM

Happy dyno's and unhappy tracks. Between the 2 I think you could get anyone to believe anything.

Any we do, by golly. Thank goodness, otherwise all things would be known and we would buy just one product for one price. Didn't work for the USSR... :) hee hee...

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:28 PM

We need to know the good stuff - even if it hurts us... What is different about the GenT at 6psi that makes it produce so much power? Is it CFM, i.e. greater volume of air at 6psi, or is it tune, or cam?

I see Roarz. A far more efficient ball bearing supported compressor with minimal adiabatic power loss (ie. no drag on the crankshaft to make power), and effective front mounted air to air intercooling. They are the reasons.

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:31 PM

Is every dragstrip and day supposed to yield the same result?

Nope. Agreeing with you mate. Was just a throw back to our arguments on the forum six months ago about dynos not being a true or reliable test of power. The argument was the MPH was the ultimate test of a performance modification. I did not concur at the time, and data seems to suggest that MPH is just as influenced by environmental conditions and dyno runs are... Pretty off topic really... Sorry... :)

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:33 PM

Hey fair enough, its a free world

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:40 PM

I see Roarz. A far more efficient ball bearing supported compressor with minimal adiabatic power loss (ie. no drag on the crankshaft to make power), and effective front mounted air to air intercooling. They are the reasons.

Is the theory with turbos that the exhaust gases were heading out of the engine anyway, so they are a "free" source of energy to power the turbo, or does the resistance created by the turbo when compressing the inlet air actually create a form of back pressure or resistance in the exhaust manifold/cylinder etc? Surely it can't be entirely "free". You've worked with both types of FI - what is the "cost" of belt driven SC vs exhaust driven Turbo?

Of course, the GenX has the same benefit as the GenT with respect to FMIC, so then SC vs Turbo gains/losses at the same psi would come down to parasitic loss only (nah - because volume of air matters too right?).

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:44 PM

Q: What does a supper charger do?

Oh, oh, I know, I know...

It feeds Australia's most powerful LS1, and Australia's most powerful stock block LS1! Cool!

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:48 PM

Nothing is free
You need to understand the efficiency and flow capability of the compressor, and then work out what it costs the engine to drive. This is where Gen-T is particularly effective.

For example, the Crewman would have more than likely made another 300 - 500rwhp at the Summernats with a Garrett GT60 turbocharger in place of the Vortech V7 YSi supercharger. Why? Because it has a compressor capable of flowing more air with less engine resistance.

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:50 PM

Now, what I want to know is when does the GenTT experimental kit go on the Capa Crewman so that we can see the ultimate Celebrity SC vs TT Deathmatch? heh heh... Will the SC slap the TT silly with its gilmer belt drive, or will the TT melt the SC with is vented exhaust gases, or will that 408ci block cry ENOUGH leaving both FIs without a platform on which to mount their epic struggle...

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:51 PM

For example, the Crewman would have more than likely made another 300 - 500rwhp at the Summernats with a Garrett GT60 turbocharger in place of the Vortech V7 YSi supercharger. Why? Because it has a compressor capable of flowing more air with less engine resistance.

I see my question is answered Master Yoda (kinda rhymes with Tuna)... Thank you.

Martin_D

23-01-2005, 10:53 PM

It might take two hands to handle a whopper....but only one turbo to make a GenIII rock.

ROARZ

23-01-2005, 10:55 PM

It might take two hands to handle a whopper....but only one turbo to make a GenIII rock.

Now THAT'S the bumper sticker we've been looking for!!!

Ken

06-02-2005, 08:19 PM

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35245

sgrah

21-02-2005, 02:29 PM

I know Bob Hawkins Performance in Townsville is selling these kits (PWR) if anyone's interested

Easy Mark

25-02-2005, 01:33 AM

To sgrah,

I am a North Queenslander and I am very interested. Do you happen to have any prices to hand?

Also, do you know if the SCV6 injectors are necessary with this kit?

Cheers,

Pete.

VooDoo

25-02-2005, 06:52 AM

nqcv8

25-02-2005, 07:30 AM

Pete,
Drive down to see Mark. He helped with the R&D, testing of the kits and has fitted and tuned a lot of them. Bob might sell them but he cant tune them as he doesnt have the software nor the experiance of PT.

I second this motion :D
Bob does not do any in house tuning of LS1's, its all done on the Gold coast by that Chipmob. :rolleyes:

To sgrah,

I am a North Queenslander and I am very interested. Do you happen to have any prices to hand?

Also, do you know if the SCV6 injectors are necessary with this kit?

Cheers,

Pete..

Make the drive to Power Torque you wont regret it.

Cheers
Sean

nqcv8

25-02-2005, 11:13 AM

Mate
No one in Townsville has any of the software suites to tune a LS1, Bob ships the PCM to the Gold coast, the man told me this himself.

Cheers

VooDoo

25-02-2005, 07:42 PM

Adding a chip isnt tuning the PCM. Do a search mate. I'm not going to comment on non-sponsors but seriously, read up a bit before making recomendations. The members here arent silly. You have only been here a few weeks and have a lot of learning to do.

Ken

10-03-2005, 09:22 AM

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=36637

raptorsc

20-03-2005, 11:07 PM

I saw a PWR kit installed on a Maloo ute the other day, was particularly taken by the small size of the blower especially for a PD blower. Got a few questions

1. How much head room is left in this kit pressure wise, will it go to say 12psi?
2. I see it comes intercooled even at the 4-5psi range. Is this because this unit is already heating the air plenty or is it something that allows owners to pulley up in the future with out worrying about high intake temps? Or does it give a greater safety margin when using 95 octane fuel??

3. What speed does a PWR blower run at when boosting 5psi at engine redline on a Gen3 or better still what is the crank pulley size...... then I can figure it out myself.

I liked the little fluid reservior for the intercooler that sits on top of the battery, very neat!

VooDoo

20-03-2005, 11:14 PM

I believe Mark got one kit to 11psi but required fuel upgrades.

Funk

22-05-2005, 09:53 PM

pagey

22-05-2005, 10:11 PM

i fitted a pwr blower to a customers vy club sport
last week got mark at pt to tune it. Made 285rwkw
the car is a weapon from idle to redline
the kits are really easy to fit a lot better then capa kits

Funk.. what are the details of the car.. I'm guessing pretty much exhaust and cai.. no cam.

I'm sure it is a beast & goes like a rocket & we all know that the dyno means nothing except totune with.. but i would be a bit unhappy if I forked out big $$ and "only" ended up with 285rwkw

Martin_D

22-05-2005, 11:17 PM

It looks like a great alternative to 220 @ 114 cam. And you can remove it when it comes time to sell. Top work! :)

Redline

22-05-2005, 11:47 PM

It looks like a great alternative to 220 @ 114 cam. And you can remove it when it comes time to sell. Top work! :) Especially at four times the price.......thats all :D

Funk

24-05-2005, 08:56 PM

the car is a vy clubsport with pacemaker tri y extactors and diffilipo 2 1/2
inch twin system v6 s/c injectors and mafless tune
its not the rwkw reading that makes these kits worth the money
it the low down torque and instant power off idle
the car aslo has heavy duty solid centre clutch
and rip shifter
the car best run was 295rwkw average heat has a big effect on power readings due to the setup of the water to air intercooler

raptorsc

24-05-2005, 09:34 PM

How much boost is being applied on the 295Kw run?

Funk

24-05-2005, 09:58 PM

think it was about 7psi max

raptorsc

24-05-2005, 10:16 PM

What is the reason the temps of the air to water IC are so variable apart from being on the dyno? I would have expected the power levels to be more consistant and repeatable with the inclusion of the IC. Is it marginal in size or is the air flow compromised in some way?