Whats wrong with teenagers these days and turbo charged cars

[jasonrouse]

Im avid V8 fan since i was a kid and ive been to a few "Hair Dryer" car shows.
The reason I hate turbocharged cars is not because of the cars, but because of 90% of the owners. The owners turn me off the car.

You see young guys 17-22 yr olds in there skylines, wrxs, soarers and what not. Ask them what they have done to there car.

"Oh ive got a pod filter, exaust and computer, and it makes 600HP and runs 10s"

That is what anoys me...... Its the bullshit they talk. You mention to them.... are you sure these few mods bring it upto 600HP? Yeah ive had it dynoed and soon im getting nos!!! it should be good for 9s then.. (remeber these are stock cars with minimal bolt ons)

This angers me.... and when you start getting technical with them explaining that the stock car makes 200HP and the mods they got can only possibly bring it to 250.... they start saying "But on the fast and the furious they did this and that ect ect......"

AHHHHH so this is where there getting there tech knowledge from... i believe thats why so many of the young people talk so much crap and drive these cheesy coloured, lego city, buzzing pain in the asses. There getting there technical knowledge from a movie. I personally believe that the fast and the furious has destroyed the car scene.

What happend to the days when people spent hours working on there own car.... spraying, building ect.... that is what i class as a street machine. not a ****ing skyline that has been taken down to a shop and had a bodykit fitted.

why am i so angrey for you ask..... because my 19 yr old next door neigbour has a stock 97 wrx with an exaust. And he gets angrey at me for not believing he ran a 11.0 flat at the motorplex. Ask for a time slip you ask... i do.... and he looses em. You tell him an exhaust only adds 15 - 20HP on a WRX and he says "Yeah but it upps the boost by 9 lbs and gives it another 200HP"


anyway is there a point to this??
i dunno.

What has happened to the street machine community where people tell the truth and know what they are talking about?

Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts?

There are two types of males in this world..... Men, and boys

And we all know what kind of cars them Men drive.... i am in an LS1 forum after all.

[Esci]

hehe don't hold back.

[BlackClubbie]

I believe that it's about having a car that you like, a car you can have fun driving , not about a car you have fun showing off with. Whatever car it is, stock or not.

[Muffdaddy]

I was under the impression Fast and the Furious was a true story......

[BlackClubbie]

I am going to get the grey parts painted black on my clubbie. This will improve the airflow and i'll be able to do 320km/h .

[VX_CALAIS]

I'm 23 and my first car (at 18) was a Honda, I had the zorst, Stereo an even once put on those tyre valve caps which light up when you move. Back then I thought it was cool and the chicks I was with loved them :hide:

It was through constant playing with that car that I learnt much of what I know about cars. Most teens can't affort V8's so they make do with what they have. Yes sometimes stories get blown out of proportion but the thrill at that age for even a 120kw car can be pretty big.

Don't judge too harshly, most of us come around in the end

:cool: - Wish I had the money for a Clubbie ..

[MountainRunner]

From my experience I have come accross idiots and tool strokers who haven't got a clue what they are talking about in all sub groups of car culture. To try and steriotype any group is a bit ignorant, as Dazza the V8 mullet man is as big a tool as Paul Walker with his Motec System Exhaust.

Personally I judge a car on its performance, not its badge. Its the engineering excellence that makes a car great. I have no time for fools who enter the meaningless slander throwing match such as "Rice Burner" or "Push Rod Dinosour". Give me solid engineering evidence such as build quality, power to weight ratio's, Kw's, torque, chassis rigidity, track times, and especially lap times.

Learn to appreciate all makes and models for what they are and the purpose they were built to achieve. There's nothing wrong with having your favorite ride, but remember its variety that makes the world a great place.

[paul05]

two types of males in this world,men and boy lol
each to there own,i own a VY V6 because i wanted to not because i want to follow the crowd,thats the same as these ricer boy.i've also had a few V8's,but like cars in general,i don't care who drives them.
there's 4 ricers at work and don't seem to have this opinion about ls1 owners,there young guy's that like fast cars including V8's.who's the boy here.
PS hav'nt been beaten by a V8 on the bike yet,have been by a ricer.STI

[dominik]

Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts? I laugh every time I see one of those things making their signature spluttering fart noises and feel sorry for the owners. There's no shame at all in driving a 4 cylinder car, Lancer, Civic, Corolla whatever, but when they put those ridiculous exhausts on them and start ricing them up, they really do embarrass themselves.

As for everything else you said... I'll admit I have watched a couple of the movies that inspired a lot of this ridiculous behavior and each time the carpark outside the cinema was so full of rice I felt like a freak for watching it.

There's nothing wrong with forced induction but I think a real performance car can at least deliver the goods without it, even with a smaller engine. A good example is the M3 with its 3.2L six pumping out close to 250kw. As for Skylines, the GT-R is a masterpiece, however you hardly ever see real ones getting around up here. They're mainly base model R33s with giant exhausts and huge wings with the occasional fake GTR badge and bodykit.

[Brendan]

Ithey start saying "But on the fast and the furious they did this and that ect ect.......
Here is your mistake - as soon as they say this line you should shoot them, it's ok, you're doing the world a favour.

[gto015]

So true they all think they have this huge power all there cars run 10's or 9's and they all think they can keep turning the boost up and not worry about computer systems or fuel systems

I know alot of these people you run into them every friday night on the streets and they lose everytime

[MRSS]

Im 22 turning 23 this year and am lucky enuf to own a vortech driven 5.7ltr SS (very broke, but with a smile :) ). Why did i want a v8? becuase I beleive its a real car. There is nothing like the sound and the grunt of a well built V8 :D

I to hate seeing 4 bangers with stupid size zorts and tacho's hanging off them. It piss's me off! But i also hate seeing a clunking old v8 trying to impress people to. Im not taking sides at all. I wud allways take our side ;)

But i believe movies like the fast and the furious influence people. Why becuase its 'cool' and the 'chicks' go for it. I watched a DVD with Victor Bray in it not so long ago. They interviewed him and he said that he grew up with v8's and our generation has grown up with the turbo/import scene. He also said that yes turbos make good hp but when there chasin real hp they will come back to the v8's lol. I have to agree with him totally. Our generation has grown up with this. they probably dont know better. Maybe me and my friends are exceptions to the rule. For me, my dream car is a two door HK Manaro.

I firmly believe the scene will change no doubt again in 10 years. But i never want to see the beloved v8 leave us. Im a true holden/v8 fan and this is something that will never change. Sometimes me and my friends wish we were born 20 years before our time so we cud see the 'real street cars' again. I love nothing more then seeing a bunch of old tuff cars together cruising. I hope if i ever have a son i will drill into him early what a real car is!!!

[paulvdb]

I am going to get the grey parts painted black on my clubbie. This will improve the airflow and i'll be able to do 320km/h .

Red !!! You should know that. Or in ricer terms, Chrome.

[IIV8II]

Easy fix: Just laugh at them

[Bully]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!!!!

Next time you see one of them, just be grateful that you have the intelligence to drive an ls1 powered car

Variety is the spice of life. Life would be bloody booring if every car on the road was a ls1 powered commodore

[FPV GTHO]

I think if that happened, id try having fun contradicting everything they say

[Steve/redvxss]

A 600hp rex with just an exhaust and bolt on's .You think that is bad I was in a friend of freinds car way back in the late eighties ( yes I am that old ) cruising through surfers in an old XB 302 4 door it was stock we got into a drag .Doesn't sound to bad yet ? He then proceeded to pulluot driving gloves and a helmut and told us to hang on it was the last of the V8 interceptors .

After getting completely wasted by the other car my friend and I got out as quick as we could and never saw him again ,at least no-one had seen me as i was moulded to the floor of the car.

I am pretty sure there are dickheads in all generations the hard part is finding decent blokes among the mass of wankers and their friends .

[NinetySix]

its not the turbocharger under the bonnet that causes this mindset, it can happen in any car.


as for the 11.0 second rex, even if it had an extra 200hp (for a total of ~400hp) it wouldnt be running 11 flat ... just offer him a drag :)

[Jozo]

Today i took my brothers 200sx out for a spin and i must say it was the most fun ive had in a long time. The way it handles and drives makes the SS feel like a station wagon.

Question, have any of you turbo baggers ever driven a turbo charged sports car or are we making the usual assumptions???

I know we are all passionate LS1 owners but there comes a point where we need to stop pretending and appreciate 2L turbocharged vehicles for what they are and what they can achieve with a small motor.

[Brendan]

Question, have any of you turbo baggers ever driven a turbo charged sports car or are we making the usual assumptions???

I drove a Daihatsu Charade when I was young - I'm assuming it's the same as that ............????

[NinetySix]

i used to have a 1996 S14A 200sx about 2 years ago and to be honest my work mates 2 month old VY2 SS runout seems to handle so much better than the 200sx did.. (almost) zero body roll where the nissan would roll a little, and just felt so much more planted and stable where the nissan would be all over the shop...

but thats comparing a brand new car to a 130,000km nissan that was making near 50% more power than stock with stock brakes & old suspension...

but i wouldnt buy a 2.0 litre turbo ever again... unless turbo technology advances in leaps and bounds (and it is) its just not enough engine to spool a decent turbo on a 1200kg+ car

a 2.5L, 3.0L or 4.0L turbo tho.... bring it on :cool: and 5.7L turbos ..... :eek:

[Steve/redvxss]

I owned a 98 rex for 2 years and loved it , drove it like a race car and it never gave me an ounce of trouble not like my vxss if only it sounded like a v8 i'd probably still own it , oh and the insurance was crazy :mad:

[Gareth@Willall]

Today i took my brothers 200sx out for a spin and i must say it was the most fun ive had in a long time. The way it handles and drives makes the SS feel like a station wagon.

Question, have any of you turbo baggers ever driven a turbo charged sports car or are we making the usual assumptions???

I know we are all passionate LS1 owners but there comes a point where we need to stop pretending and appreciate 2L turbocharged vehicles for what they are and what they can achieve with a small motor.

I dont think there is any doubting the smaller engines. Most people here have a pretty good idea!
Problem is there is quite a few twits who drive em who think they are the ducks guts and drivel on about how upping their boost by 10PSI makes there car bad arse and un touchable :rolleyes: And when that gets said to another twit it just keeps on going!
My other favourite is dudes in Auto CA18DE silvias covered in 'performance and drift stickers' :confused:

Gareth

[FNQracing]

Today i took my brothers 200sx out for a spin and i must say it was the most fun ive had in a long time. The way it handles and drives makes the SS feel like a station wagon.

Question, have any of you turbo baggers ever driven a turbo charged sports car or are we making the usual assumptions???

I know we are all passionate LS1 owners but there comes a point where we need to stop pretending and appreciate 2L turbocharged vehicles for what they are and what they can achieve with a small motor.

Yes it probably would have, and so it should. You need to remember the Commodore is a large sedan, and won't always compare favourably to a purpose built "sports" car. Different breed entirely.

That's not to say Commodores don't handle. They do (can) for what they are. But a sports car they are not.

[FNQracing]

I dont think there is any doubting the smaller engines. Most people here have a pretty good idea!
Problem is there is quite a few twits who drive em who think they are the ducks guts and drivel on about how upping their boost by 10PSI makes there car bad arse and un touchable :rolleyes: And when that gets said to another twit it just keeps on going!
My other favourite is dudes in Auto CA18DE silvias covered in 'performance and drift stickers' :confused:

Gareth

Same can be said for Commodore and Falcon drivers. We all like to brag occaisionally about what mods we've done and how much quicker it is for so little loot. All cars have their strengths and weknesses in different areas. I'd love a rex or something similar, but I enjoy large, lazy and powerful rear drivers for whatever reason. Its just what *I* like.

A perfect example is Harley Davidsons. They don't go, stop or handle and cost a fortune. They do not compare well to Jap bikes. But jeez they sound great and look the goods.

[NinetySix]

harleys look like a hat full of arseholes, or at best a bucket of smashed crabs :lol: and the noise is just offencive... IMO a duke or jap twin sounds much better...

or better still, and im sure many people on this forum will love the noise.... of a V-4 honda VFR750/800 :cool:

some examples...

http://www.impactsites2000.com/autozone/sounds/2%20bros.wav
http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Sound_Clips/Hon_VFR750-TBR.wav
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/aftermarket/sounds/vfr-zyclone.wav

the sound the cam gear train makes it sound like a blown v8 .... and you say a harley sounds better????? i think not :cool:


but yeah, some people are willing to pay more for a harley than a jap bike that does *everything* better :rolleyes:

[nikola]

See, I love the V8's but only because of the engine. When it comes to "fun" and "handling" the small 2 litre Jap cars are miles ahead of our Australian sedans.

The only thing putting me off from getting a Commodore is just that, the Commodore. I have driven my friend's Monaro hard a few times and it's somewhat fun but next to my 200sx it's a lumbering boat! The engine is far better than my SR20DET but the package it's wrapped in is woeful in comparison.

Just my 2c. :box:

[dominik]

The only thing putting me off from getting a Commodore is just that, the Commodore. I have driven my friend's Monaro hard a few times and it's somewhat fun but next to my 200sx it's a lumbering boat! The engine is far better than my SR20DET but the package it's wrapped in is woeful in comparison. It's a shame all the Jap cars are designed for people who are 5ft tall. Sure it comes at a cost in the weight and handling department, but give me the extra leg room and overall driver comfort of the Commodore over a little rice rocket any day. The Monaro is a classic.

[FNQracing]

See, I love the V8's but only because of the engine. When it comes to "fun" and "handling" the small 2 litre Jap cars are miles ahead of our Australian sedans.
Just my 2c. :box:

You can still have fun in any car really, its the skill in making them do what you want that's the fun. Fast or not. Well for me it is anyway.

[iwanablackr8]

yes alot of import owner have NFI... but then depending on what car and engine depends on what mods they have depends on the power out put

example- Supra

pod filter, FMIC, exhaust and Boost Controller should see you have 250-260rwkw depending what amount of boost yoru running and what condition the engine is in....

sure you get wankers that go.. yea i got NAWS and its runs 9's, but why not just smile at them, laugh, and then blow them away in your car....

but it happens everywhere, and its not just imports, sure its more likely to be imports but thats cause they are cheaper and easier for kids to get a hold of...

my 0.02c

just dont get all one sided... i know im not.. just look at it from the other side of the fence sometimes

[FNQracing]

harleys look like a hat full of arseholes, or at best a bucket of smashed crabs :lol: and the noise is just offencive... IMO a duke or jap twin sounds much better...

or better still, and im sure many people on this forum will love the noise.... of a V-4 honda VFR750/800 :cool:

some examples...

http://www.impactsites2000.com/autozone/sounds/2%20bros.wav
http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Sound_Clips/Hon_VFR750-TBR.wav
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/aftermarket/sounds/vfr-zyclone.wav

the sound the cam gear train makes it sound like a blown v8 .... and you say a harley sounds better????? i think not :cool:


but yeah, some people are willing to pay more for a harley than a jap bike that does *everything* better :rolleyes:

Don't know why I like Harley's. Like you say, Jap bikes to *everything* better. Well except the sound. Oh and the looks. Jap bikes all look the same to me. But chriiist do they go!

Same for V8 Commodores and Falcons. Why on earth would you buy one? (Unless you *need* the space or you need to tow)..... But I bought one, and I dont need the space, nor do I need to tow. I just lik'em :)

[heavychevy]

Im avid V8 fan since i was a kid and ive been to a few "Hair Dryer" car shows.
The reason I hate turbocharged cars is not because of the cars, but because of 90% of the owners. The owners turn me off the car.

You see young guys 17-22 yr olds in there skylines, wrxs, soarers and what not. Ask them what they have done to there car.

"Oh ive got a pod filter, exaust and computer, and it makes 600HP and runs 10s"

That is what anoys me...... Its the bullshit they talk. You mention to them.... are you sure these few mods bring it upto 600HP? Yeah ive had it dynoed and soon im getting nos!!! it should be good for 9s then.. (remeber these are stock cars with minimal bolt ons)

This angers me.... and when you start getting technical with them explaining that the stock car makes 200HP and the mods they got can only possibly bring it to 250.... they start saying "But on the fast and the furious they did this and that ect ect......"

AHHHHH so this is where there getting there tech knowledge from... i believe thats why so many of the young people talk so much crap and drive these cheesy coloured, lego city, buzzing pain in the asses. There getting there technical knowledge from a movie. I personally believe that the fast and the furious has destroyed the car scene.

What happend to the days when people spent hours working on there own car.... spraying, building ect.... that is what i class as a street machine. not a ****ing skyline that has been taken down to a shop and had a bodykit fitted.

why am i so angrey for you ask..... because my 19 yr old next door neigbour has a stock 97 wrx with an exaust. And he gets angrey at me for not believing he ran a 11.0 flat at the motorplex. Ask for a time slip you ask... i do.... and he looses em. You tell him an exhaust only adds 15 - 20HP on a WRX and he says "Yeah but it upps the boost by 9 lbs and gives it another 200HP"


anyway is there a point to this??
i dunno.

What has happened to the street machine community where people tell the truth and know what they are talking about?

Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts?

There are two types of males in this world..... Men, and boys

And we all know what kind of cars them Men drive.... i am in an LS1 forum after all.

Let 'em dream, I wouldn't get into a conversation with them in the first place. I guess most 'boys' are pretty much 'strapped for cash and keeping up appearences'. I remember my first mod in the 1970's was hammering some nail holes in the muffler of my XW Falcon 6 to make it sound like an 8.

[PsYcHo]

Hey guys. Im 18 and quite new to this forum. I am a HUGE holden fan, but I can't wait to get my "lil Ricer" and do it up. But unlike most people around, it won't be the looks i do up. I understand that people do these cars up to look good. Only so they can feel good driving them. You can't tell me that a VZ SS with some huge 20" and a phat exhaust wouldn't look good? And you would feel good driving it right? Most young people, me included, can't afford these big cars, nor need all the extra room. I'm looking at a Skyline at the moment. And intend on making it go fast. No (Not many) visual mods will be done. But under the hood, well thats a different story. You can call me young and dum, but these Japanese car are far far ahead technology wise then any car made here in Aus. Being 18, there is a limit to what i can do. Even if it dosn't go fast, if it feels fast, i'll be happy.

And i'm not taking sides. I just think its a different culture were growing up in now. In a few years i will buy a Commodore. But for now, on my budget, i can't afford one.

You guys were saying there were lots of idiots found driving "Ricers"? What about all the others driving VP V6's? There are alot more commodores around then jap cars. So you can't really compare that. These "Rice Burners" apeal to younger people, not because there morons and wanna kill them selves, but because the way they are advertised. :booty:

hehe well theres my 2c. . . +10c :rolleyes:

[NinetySix]

Don't know why I like Harley's. Like you say, Jap bikes to *everything* better. Well except the sound. Oh and the looks. Jap bikes all look the same to me. But chriiist do they go!

I take it you didnt click on any of the links in my post to audio clips of VFR750/800's with exhausts? :rolleyes: have a listen and then tell me a harley sounds better.... you'd be lying :p unless your not truley happy with the sound of a worked ls1 and you'd prefer the noise it would make with no harmonic balancer? :lol:

[NinetySix]

i was just in broadmeadows before getting a kebab and i can assure you that all the burnouts being performed were from dented VN's with single spinners.

[Garbs]

Just out of curiosity, not shite stirring but if you are a HUGE Holden fan why are you buying a Skyline? Wouldn't the price of Skyline be about the same as something like a VS SS / Clubbie? At 18, I couldn't even afford the insurance for a STOCK commodore let alone anything more glamorous like a Skyline, not to mention modifying it. I guess that's why I went a smaller car (Astra) but didn't modify it because the money I could save on mods / insurance / fuel etc over the space of two or so years was enough to buy a "performance" vehicle. Not to mention, after two years better insurance rating etc.

"These "Rice Burners" apeal to younger people, not because there morons and wanna kill them selves, but because the way they are advertised."

It's just a pity that a fair few times they do end up killing themselves. The only way I've seen these rice-ies advertised on tv or anywhere are with chicks driving them (like the old lancer add) and the only "advertising" of Skylines and WRX's I see on telly are when one of them slams into a pole.

Regards

[dominik]

I'm looking at a Skyline at the moment. And intend on making it go fast. No (Not many) visual mods will be done. But under the hood, well thats a different story. You can call me young and dum, but these Japanese car are far far ahead technology wise then any car made here in Aus. Psycho, at 18, for the money, an old R32/R33 Skyline sounds tempting, but don't forget to take into consideration a) cost of parts for a Jap import car, b) cost of insurance on an import, c) cost of upgrades vs. performance gains compared to an LS1, and d) they're 10+ years old so expect quite a few things to start going wrong if they haven't already. Also on d) remember in those 10 years or so every ricer and his dog has thrashed the thing unlike quite a few V8s out there that have been owned by older guys who have taken good care of them.

The LS1 might be considered "old technology" or "inferior" to the Jap stuff, but I'll tell you this much, you can give it a real belting and it keeps coming back for more. Skylines are much more fickle beasts by comparison. Take a look at a few Skyline logbooks to see what I'm talking about, and repairs don't come cheap. There's my 10 cents.

[CarlFST60L]

95% of these young guns are just soooo full of sh!t
99% wouldnt have a clue what it really takes to run 12's, let alone what it takes to make the car last more than a year, 'just boost it up' :lol:
50% of them actually believe the sh!t comming out of their own mouths
50% want to believe the shit that comes out of their own mouths
99% of them think there car will run something WWWAAAAYYY out of the league, while they would be very luck to run a 14 second pass
99% of them stire me up, race once, then wont even come up next to my car, its like they suddenly arnt interested :lol: the sound of dual 2.5 inch exhaust with no mufflers must scare the cr@p out of em :lol:


But there are exceptions...

[Sonnymad]

95% of these young guns are just soooo full of sh!t
99% wouldnt have a clue what it really takes to run 12's, let alone what it takes to make the car last more than a year, 'just boost it up' :lol:
50% of them actually believe the sh!t comming out of their own mouths
50% want to believe the shit that comes out of their own mouths
99% of them think there car will run something WWWAAAAYYY out of the league, while they would be very luck to run a 14 second pass
99% of them stire me up, race once, then wont even come up next to my car, its like they suddenly arnt interested :lol: the sound of dual 2.5 inch exhaust with no mufflers must scare the cr@p out of em :lol:


But there are exceptions...

hey carl do you make ricer alarms ? so we know wen we are being appraoched by a ricer ? :nyuk:

[borry]

say all you want, this has been around for donkies years...

different strokes for different folks..

availability might be a key factor here, semi decent 180's are a dime a dozen, whereas a clean vs ss is a bit harder to find...


plus grab a cheap 180 and a 4500 front cut and you have yourself a nice litel weapon on your hands for not alot of cash.

i appreciate both cars in different ways, but some people have differnt needs, im a big example, would love nothign more then a 6 speed ss ute, but i drive an I6 au falcon ute, why ? cab chassis, room behind the seats, all minor things and only being 20, insurance is a big factor to take into consideration.

just saying that there is alot of different reasons for people driving what they do, just appreciate the amount of variety we have on our roads and that were not all limited to driving priuses ? ( prius' ? priuee' ? )

peace out..

[CarlFST60L]

plus grab a cheap 180 and a 4500 front cut and you have yourself a nice litel weapon on your hands for not alot of cash.


Sonny, I think that alarms going off :lol:

Your not talking about a Datsun 180Y are you :lol: :lol: :lol: Front cut :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are OK cars, while they go, but you cannot call it a weapon until you spend $20,000 redoing everything, suspension, brakes and building a strong engine, intercooler, drive line, gear box, what will really happen is you boost it up on near stock enginer with this stupid idea in your head that you wont have a problem cause no one speaks up when they have problems coz they are to busy talking about how big their dicks are, then it will go 'hard' (WOW 14 seconds at BEST), then you drive it hard for a couple of months, then it starts, you will have issues with the turbo, sensors will fail, turbo will dismount itself, turbo will need to be rebuilt with all new seals etc, shit will start unpluggin its self, thermo fans will fail (these are the problems my mates 96 200SX has had in the last 2 months, he boosted it up to 9lb 4 months ago), not to mention a phew other 180's and 200's i know of with similar fate of shit conintually being f#$ked...

But hay, what would i know, i've only heard the same bullsh!t 100000 times before from some other young gun that knows it all, you will just think i'm full of crap and go on your merry way thinking you know better, bla bla bla... Go spend you money, you'll just be another turbo that fits my above discription...

Shit, i just read what i wrote, dam I must be having a bad day :rolleyes: :lol:

[Sonnymad]

Sonny, I think that alarms going off :lol:

Your not talking about a Datsun 180Y are you :lol: :lol: :lol: Front cut :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are OK cars, while they go, but you cannot call it a weapon until you spend $20,000 redoing everything, suspension, brakes and building a strong engine, intercooler, drive line, gear box, what will really happen is you boost it up on near stock enginer with this stupid idea in your head that you wont have a problem cause no one speaks up when they have problems coz they are to busy talking about how big their dicks are, then it will go 'hard' (WOW 14 seconds at BEST), then you drive it hard for a couple of months, then it starts, you will have issues with the turbo, sensors will fail, turbo will dismount itself, turbo will need to be rebuilt with all new seals etc, shit will start unpluggin its self, thermo fans will fail (these are the problems my mates 96 200SX has had in the last 2 months, he boosted it up to 9lb 4 months ago), not to mention a phew other 180's and 200's i know of with similar fate of shit conintually being f#$ked...

But hay, what would i know, i've only heard the same bullsh!t 100000 times before from some other young gun that knows it all, you will just think i'm full of crap and go on your merry way thinking you know better, bla bla bla... Go spend you money, you'll just be another turbo that fits my above discription...

I must be having a bad day :rolleyes:

well put carl !! these guys always forget about stopping and suspension etc and so on,wat can i say,theres just lots of rice in the blood :lol:


on the other hand i knew this bloody idiot ricer that turbo charged his car,then drove like a idiot and had a head on coz his suspension couldnt make him round the bend and his brakes couldnt stop him,result : in his car,best mate in the rear had his left arm torn off,good mate in the passenger seat got brain damage,and now not all there,himself a totall face reconstruction,on cuming car : killed the whole family but the little 4 year old gal now orthan.end result his was being charged with man slaughter and skipped the country

[SASLS1]

Thing that ticks me off, but really makes me laugh is for example. Walking into Westfield through car park and there is this clapped out, passed its useby date four door hatch, lucky to pass a road worthy in a pink fit car, more rust than paint, you get the picture.

Here standing around car is a couple of guys and the owner bragging about his huge 5in monster Autometer tacho and shift light he's just installed.

So as I walk by I loudly mutter " The tacho's worth more than the car mate", the guys friends laugh under there breath and the owner stopped bragging and gives me a dirty look. Arrrhhhh justice

My two mates walking behind me burst out laughing as we continued walking past...

Other thing I hate are all the povo base model lancer coupes, with the full wanker kit, huge spoilers and wings etc, those friggen chrome aftermarket tail lights that look totally horrid, and the of course the huge storm water exhaust/muffler for there 1.5 litre N/A engine that sounds like a reconstituted lame excuse for a fart exhaust sound...........

[dominik]

Other thing I hate are all the povo base model lancer coupes, with the full wanker kit, huge spoilers and wings etc, those friggen chrome aftermarket tail lights that look totally horrid, and the of course the huge storm water exhaust/muffler for there 1.5 litre N/A engine that sounds like a reconstituted lame excuse for a fart exhaust sound........... Right on the money. They deserve an award for bad taste if anything. But watch these guys, they all seem to act like wannabe gangsters and don't like it when you take the bait and nail them at the lights or anywhere else, laugh in their direction while their fully sik bro on the passenger side is telling you that your car is "a piece of bevan shit", etc. etc. They really can't take a joke. Actually, they take the whole rice scene so seriously it's like a religion for them... a cult. It's sad.

[HardcoreLS1]

Alright lets get things into perspective, prior to the LS1 coming onto the scene there was not much including 5L, 351 , etc that went well with bolt ons. I know because i owned and still own a cordia turbo with an I/C, exhaust ,bigger turbo etc and 6 years ago there wasn't much that could beat me in a drag race especially v8's. Since the LS1 phenomenon the tables have turned but there is still plenty of rice out there that can stick it to a bolt on LS1. But yes you still get kids and I heard a beauty the other day (Daily driver 200sx runs 160mph passes) that think there abc brand car is the fasted. Remember when you got your first car didn't you think that it was shit hot and the best car in the world so we can't be to hard on them as we were like that once. :cheers:

[BlackClubbie]

I don't care about the engine, it's got to be rear wheel drive, and it's got to have oversteer, lots of it. :-)

[irvbulldogs72]

I have but one thing to say about this. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FRONT WHEEL DRIVE SPORTS CAR. AWD yes. But your Corolla/Lancer/Accord/CIVIC!!! is not meant to be fast. Yes, I drive a Lexus. But I accept it for what it is. Which is why the only "mod" I've done is an HID conversion, and that's because I can't drive down the Saw Mill River Parkway without my highbeams on the stock lights are so dim. Just a little more than my .02

[Edit] This includes those freaking Dodge SRT-4s. I don't care how much boost you're running......it's still a goddamned Neon!

[MyCat-cc]

harleys look like a hat full of arseholes, or at best a bucket of smashed crabs :lol: and the noise is just offencive... IMO a duke or jap twin sounds much better...


yeah go the duke's I love the sound they make. I agree 100% about harleys over priced junk - most of the 'modded' ones sound like a corolla with a busted muffler :lol:

[CarlFST60L]

when you got your first car didn't you think that it was shit hot and the best car in the world so we can't be to hard on them as we were like that once. :cheers:

Yes, for a while, then i grew up and realised how wrong i was :D

[PepeLePew]

Other thing I hate are all the povo base model lancer coupes, with the full wanker kit, huge spoilers and wings etc, those friggen chrome aftermarket tail lights that look totally horrid, and the of course the huge storm water exhaust/muffler for there 1.5 litre N/A engine that sounds like a reconstituted lame excuse for a fart exhaust sound...........

Ah, but they're not all wankers. My Mrs drives one of these we bought new. She just likes the way it looks, nothing else. Hates those Tezza tail light things, wont have them, and laughs at tin can exhausts.

The little bastard handles like its on rails. And steers a lot more directly than my SS. Those are the reasons I hate it. And it cant pull the skin off a banana....

BUT even if it compared I couldnt carry 3 rugrats in it. End of story :)

[Red CV8 R]

This thread makes me laugh, I remeber the days when Joe Mullet would sit there telling me how fast his VB with bigger carby and exhaust was and how it would run 11s easy when he slaps his chaser rims on. When I would question them I would get a blank stare and the words, but it is a V8 mate! Times may change but some things stay the same! :lol:

[VKCommo]

Its not necissarily the ricers that are the biggest tools in the teenage car scene. Sadly its the earlier model commodore owners. So many times VN commore owners rock up to import cruises and just make absolute dicks of themselves. + They are not immune to the "my vn has a podfilter and monsta tacho and makes 10,000hp."

Youth are young. They just need to grow up.

And the turbo imports IF looked after are much more reliable than you guys give credit for.

[all4ford]

I'll start by saying im a V8 fan through and through, and I too hate hearing people talk bullsh!t about how fast their car is.

But I'm sick of hearing people getting bagged for being ricers, because of huge exhausts and non-performance enhancing mods. When people started putting the new monaro bonnet on their older commordores I never once heard anyone scream ricer, when essentially its exactly what they have done to the car (i.e. riced it up).

Everyone has their own personal tastes, if people want to believe their car is capable of 10's etc let them, or prove them wrong by wasting them in your own beast. ;)

[XLR8 V8]

When people started putting the new monaro bonnet on their older commordores I never once heard anyone scream ricer, when essentially its exactly what they have done to the car (i.e. riced it up).


I don't recall anyone putting one on a totally stock car? The ones I've seen have been put on as a finishing touch to an already modified (at least bolt on) vehicle.

[PepeLePew]

I'll start by saying im a V8 fan through and through, and I too hate hearing people talk bullsh!t about how fast their car is.

But I'm sick of hearing people getting bagged for being ricers, because of huge exhausts and non-performance enhancing mods. When people started putting the new monaro bonnet on their older commordores I never once heard anyone scream ricer, when essentially its exactly what they have done to the car (i.e. riced it up).

Everyone has their own personal tastes, if people want to believe their car is capable of 10's etc let them, or prove them wrong by wasting them in your own beast. ;)

Yes, and what constitutes RICE is in the eye of the beholder.

And adding Monaros bonnets in my mind isnt ricing.....

SMALL visual enhancements are not ricing, whether applied to Commodores or to imports. A huge useless exhaust can to me is RICE, big stickers are RICE (although MOROSO stickers aint rice they're just as offensive in my mind), HUGE WINGS are RICE. Just coz a car is an import doesnt maker is a ricer in my mind.

I changed the rear spoiler on my old EL XR6 to the XR8 version, does that make it rice? Hmmmmm.... :)

[SexyWGN]

I am no genius when it comes to cars. In fact i no very little. (but hey for a chick i know a thing or two)

i too am sick of these guys who spin so much crap.

Do they really think that by having a spoiler bigger then the car itself its going to go faster??? Or i hate it when they have a front mount and have there car lowered and its calssified as "highly modified". (let us not forget the led nozzle washers. they increase the cars hp by 10%)

Especially being a chick... i have guys try to tell me that there car runs 10's? or that it will once they finish. because they are getting a bigger turbo.

my fiance has a wrx. he has spent quiet a bit. bigger turbo, front mount, apexi fc computer. bla bla bla. and boy it doesnt run no 10's. it actually runs like shit. he is now selling so that he can concentrate on doing up his gemini wagon. He said it gives him more pleasure. Good luck to him.

I'm happy with my VY wagon. probably pulls about 18 sec down the 1/4 mile. but at least it gets there in one piece. he he he

[mmciau]

welcome sexyWGN to the site,

When I was a milkbar cowboy, my FJ Ute had a 3/4 race cam speedo, exposed wheel nuts and a whippy aerial for the old valve radio and the only thing that stopped it falling over when cornering was the door handles!!!!

And that was long before RICE became fashionable

Oh how I've mellowed with old age

Mike :D

[jasonrouse]

There is another guy getting around town in a black CRX with the biggest muffler ive ever seen, about 6" in diameter. It has .... HUGE rims, maby 19 - 20" rims on a small car, and there mirror. Looks bloody rediculous. now this is what shits me, the numberplate. 8ETAAA (8 eater)

I confronted him at the local maccas one day to ask why he chose them plates. And he said he is sick of V8s. And that we need to learn to get with the times and get with the new technology. He then started explaining that his overhead cammed engine makes so much more power than an v8 and that he had run an 12 flat on street tyres.

I followed him out of the car park, and he was in front of me. When we turned onto the main road, he booted it, then i booted it. I cought him and past him. When we pulled up at the lights i said to him...... Shit mate... if I beat you, must means I run 10s then :)


PS: my car is stock apart from cold air and exauhst and quickest I have run is 14.02

[SSFreak]

I'm ashamed to admit it but I must have been a bit of a ricer when I was a lad. I bought a new Datsun 180B, and added extractors, new exhaust system including the obligatory Hot Dog, a better cam and mags. Oh, and some stickers too. :lol:

But after a couple of years I traded it in on a new 5.0L Sandman. Then it was a 4.2L Torana. After that it was 4 cylinder cars for a while.

I like SV8s, SSs, Monaros, Clubbies, etc. because they are muscle cars rather than sports cars. Same with the Fords. Just like the old Camaros, Mustangs, etc. Big cars with big engines. There's nothing like them. Sports cars are too much of a compromise - too small, too uncomfortable, etc.

I don't care that our V8s might not be the most technological advanced or even the fastest. It's the relaxed power and brute force combined with a family car body that makes them attractive to me. It's not a specialised machine but a multi purpose vehicle that's also a lot of fun. It's a great combination. I like some of the 4 cylinder cars now on the market but their application is limited. Try towing a boat or caravan with a WRX and see how far you get.

[Mongy]

Bogan's :lol:

[mmciau]

As is continually uttered, "You can't beat cubic inches"

Mike

[Merlin]

Psycho, at 18, for the money, an old R32/R33 Skyline sounds tempting, but don't forget to take into consideration a) cost of parts for a Jap import car, b) cost of insurance on an import, c) cost of upgrades vs. performance gains compared to an LS1, and d) they're 10+ years old so expect quite a few things to start going wrong if they haven't already. Also on d) remember in those 10 years or so every ricer and his dog has thrashed the thing unlike quite a few V8s out there that have been owned by older guys who have taken good care of them.


OK heres my 2c from someone who moved from an S13 Silvia to a Galant VR4 then on to the Holdens/Fords:

a) a common misconception – parts were the same if not cheaper for the Silvia
b) true insurance was a hassle when I was 18 but just did an internet quote for a R33 Skyline and it was $1100 comprehensive (the BA is $1000) (Im 24) and times have changed from 5 years ago when imports first came on the scene.
c) as would any 10 year old cars – from my experience the jap ones have a hell of a higher standard of quality than the aussie cars (anyone on here can attest to that)
d) any performance car is going to have had a hard life, most of the imports have less than 80,000kms on them though and lived idling in traffic in Japan.

Lets face it they are a cheap fast option for anyone wanting to get into a performance car. If I was spending under $20K then I would buy a skyline as nothing else for the money can touch it. If I was spending over $20K I would get an LS1 or XR6T.

Also people are once again confusing the definition of rice – i.e. a part of a car added which serves no performance function. From what I am reading people seem to think it is any jap car.

I understand and agree with peoples points about Civic’s and Corolla;s ect. they are not performance cars but don’t see why people are bagging out the skylines, 200sx’s ect – you can get these really moving for not much money and they can be plenty reliable if taken care of (it’s the idiots that up the boost without thinking that ruin the reliability)

[C4B]

Can somebody answer this question for me? Why do these Ricers sit on the highway at 90k's an hour?

[Merlin]

Can somebody answer this question for me? Why do these Ricers sit on the highway at 90k's an hour?

probably as their as their car is redling at 90km/h (if by rice you are referring to non-performance car) eg corolla

[SSFreak]

Bogan's :lol:

Bogan's what???

[Red CV8 R]

Bogan's what???


I think he was making a joke on the fact that V8 drivers are seen as Bogans by the 4 cylinder crowd like the 4 cylinder crowd is seen as rice by the V8 crowd.

[Merlin]

I think he was making a joke on the fact that V8 drivers are seen as Bogans by the 4 cylinder crowd like the 4 cylinder crowd is seen as rice by the V8 crowd.

whilst the 6 cyl crowd fly nicley under the radar...

[chops]

Actually I think SSFreak was referring to the use of the apostrophe.

[SSFreak]

I think he was making a joke on the fact that V8 drivers are seen as Bogans by the 4 cylinder crowd like the 4 cylinder crowd is seen as rice by the V8 crowd.

Ahhh, okay thanks. I wasn't familiar with this term. I must have lived a sheltered life. :)

[NinetySix]

Can somebody answer this question for me? Why do these Ricers sit on the highway at 90k's an hour?

the extra downforce (errr, drag) created by the rear wing commonly found on excels and the like combined with a 6" exhaust system (untuned) will reduce its maximum speed to around 90kph :lol:

[SASLS1]

"And Another Thing"

What's it with getting 50 sheets of Checka plate and linning every surface of the interior with the stuff??????

Extra weight doesn't equal extra performance, hello!!!, or haven't they worked that out yet!!!!!!! ARRRhhhhhhhh.............

[LS1 Cobra]

If I had a riced up excell I'd be barfing a lot :spew: It's probably easier to clean vomit off checker plate.

[traco]

Why not go the whole hog and get a tin of F117 stealth paint - you could then go 320 and also beat the radar traps while you're at it.

In all seriousness though, Australian car culture mirrors our politics - Liberal versus loony leftwing laborites. One is like most turbo owners - all piss and wind living in a world of their own, while the other likes to walk softly and carry a big stick. Then there's the Volvo/European peddlers called the Democrats.

[exwrx]

I have owned and enjoyed both 4 cylinders and V8's and have always placed a higher value on performance over appearances.

Others arent interested in performance, but use their cars as fashion accessories, penile extensions, whatever. I cant relate to someone who loads their mirage up with 150 kilos of fibreglass, nor can I relate to the idiot dropping skids in his VN V6. They are miles away from being car enthusiasts.

The cars may change, but the idiots have always been with us, and they're breeding :lol:

[dominik]

Lets face it they are a cheap fast option for anyone wanting to get into a performance car. If I was spending under $20K then I would buy a skyline as nothing else for the money can touch it. If I was spending over $20K I would get an LS1 or XR6T.

Also people are once again confusing the definition of rice – i.e. a part of a car added which serves no performance function. From what I am reading people seem to think it is any jap car.I use the term "rice" interchangeably because most Japanese imports are "riced up" as soon as they hit our roads. Surely you agree? Or maybe I'm imagining the giant wings, 3"+ exhausts, and Star Trek style body kits, not to mention the 8 items or more shopping list stickers down the side of the car. This is rice, precisely for the reason you said and also because it looks ridiculous.

I agree with you about the sub-$20K market which is why I said I can see why at 18 they'd be an attractive choice. As far as insurance goes, you'd be talking about a totally stock Skyline and there aren't many of them getting around on the streets up here. They might be imported stock or "de-modified" before entry to pass our ADRs but not long after they arrive they're fiddled with. And considering most budding buyers are expecting to be launched into 2Fast2Furious territory, it's easy to see why.

P.S. I've noticed an interesting trend in the WRX community lately. The wings are coming off. Either they're getting sick of being challenged at every set of lights or they want to distance themselves from the real ricer crowd.

[Doug]

I can't work out why some of you care so much about what other people do to their cars. Is it a sign of insecurity? Is there nothing better you can be doing with your time than worrying about what other people are driving? How do you banter the word 'hate' towards a driver you have never met, talked to, and might never see again - just because you don't find their car aesthetically pleasing?

I figure those who have spent good money on their riced up 4's are more likely to be careful where and how they park, and also make an effort to keep their vehicle well maintained. I get more annoyed when I see all those family Commodores, Falcons, Magnas and Camrys down at the shops with bald tyres.

[Peter B - CV8]

I can't work out why some of you care so much about what other people do to their cars. Is it a sign of insecurity? Is there nothing better you can be doing with your time than worrying about what other people are driving? How do you banter the word 'hate' towards a driver you have never met, talked to, and might never see again - just because you don't find their car aesthetically pleasing?

I figure those who have spent good money on their riced up 4's are more likely to be careful where and how they park, and also make an effort to keep their vehicle well maintained. I get more annoyed when I see all those family Commodores, Falcons, Magnas and Camrys down at the shops with bald tyres.

Fair comment !!!
I for one, don't particularly give a crap what people do to their own car. So long as they do it safely (ie roadworthy), don't aggravate me, or cause grief to other road users.

[FNQracing]

Can somebody answer this question for me? Why do these Ricers sit on the highway at 90k's an hour?

Any faster and the fiberglass accessories would blow off. They are'nt cheap.

[Merlin]

I use the term "rice" interchangeably because most Japanese imports are "riced up" as soon as they hit our roads. Surely you agree? Or maybe I'm imagining the giant wings, 3"+ exhausts, and Star Trek style body kits, not to mention the 8 items or more shopping list stickers down the side of the car. This is rice, precisely for the reason you said and also because it looks ridiculous.


Yeah I agree - 99% of them are riced up - its a shame really, some of the nicest imports i have seen are the simple clean ones with the rear wing removed.

PS - As a sidenote I don't view a 3" exhaust on a turbo car as rice (2L and up) - most performance shops would recommend a straight through 3" turbo back exhaust as the best performance option. Although if you are just talking about the stupid muffler tips then once again I agree!

[OscarTheGrouch]

Although if you are just talking about the stupid muffler tips then once again I agree!

Otherwise known as the "rice cannon"... :lol:

[NinetySix]

its hard for a 3" exhaust tip not to look big, and its what all turbos need to make some decent torque, infact bigger still is even better

but when they aim it up and out on a 45 degree angle!!!!! :mad:

[Merlin]

but when they aim it up and out on a 45 degree angle!!!!! :mad:

lol that was cool for about 10 seconds :lol:

[OscarTheGrouch]

Having said that, there are some that are cool - for example there is a series 4 rx-7 getting around town here that belongs to a guy I know, which shoots some awesome flames. It's piss funny watching it cruise around and this thing just goes "bang, bang, BANG!" under deceleration.... gotta make sure not to follow too close behind him though :)

Was having a chat to him as we were driving around town one night (although between his huge ass turboed rotary and my cammed LS1 we had trouble hearing each other) and I think he said something like "it's running a LITTLE bit rich..." :rofl:

[NinetySix]

ahhhh the best rotary turbos are the ones you least expect.... ie, capella's covered in primer with 155 cheese cutters :cool:

tho i should have realised its potential when i saw the rank rotary sticker in the back window and the 2-3 feet flames comming out the pipe...

none the less i decided to try have a play with it in my old 200sx... and from a 80kph roll on i saw his face light up with a shift light and then it was as if i jumped on the brakes ...

i soon wanted to sell the nissan for a rotary... :lol:

[CarlFST60L]

Disposable car the old rot'a, tried to tell my mate that, he got it and it was off the road for 3 months of the year with three rebuilds :lol: He use to stick up for it, now he knows, hes selling to get a newer car :lol:

[all4ford]

Yes, and what constitutes RICE is in the eye of the beholder.
And adding Monaros bonnets in my mind isnt ricing.....

Of course it isn't, we are talking about Holden lovers now, couldn't possibly have a problem with them. How can useless scoops that are added for no reason but to look good (highly questionable!), not be considered rice?

Some of you people are so hipocritical about what others do to their cars. Sure it might not tend to your personal tastes but if the person driving the car is happy with the way it looks, then that is all that matters.

I have seen plenty of ridiculous riced up holdens and fords before and no one ever seems to have a problem with them. As someone said before it is good to know that these people respect their car and take care of it regardless of the make and model.

Once again I'll remind you that I've never been interested in imports, I love my V8 Fords and Holdens, in fact I drive a 351 powered XW falcon. But seriously some guys need to lighten up and stop bagging other car enthusiasts just because they consider a stereo to be a more important mod then a suitable exhaust system. It's only them that look foolish after claiming their car is capable of quick times and then being beaten by you in your near standard holdens and fords.

[sloone]

harleys look like a hat full of arseholes, or at best a bucket of smashed crabs :lol: and the noise is just offencive... IMO a duke or jap twin sounds much better...

or better still, and im sure many people on this forum will love the noise.... of a V-4 honda VFR750/800 :cool:

some examples...

http://www.impactsites2000.com/autozone/sounds/2%20bros.wav
http://www.twobros.com/Cust_Service/Sound_Clips/Hon_VFR750-TBR.wav
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/aftermarket/sounds/vfr-zyclone.wav

the sound the cam gear train makes it sound like a blown v8 .... and you say a harley sounds better????? i think not :cool:


but yeah, some people are willing to pay more for a harley than a jap bike that does *everything* better :rolleyes:
Opions to are just like ****. :bash:
Why everyone has one and each to their own.
Did I pay more for my Harley? Definitely.
Will resale be better after doing 125,000K's? Definitely. :booty:
It is still worth at least 3/4 of what I paid. :D
And why did I buy it? Cause of the torque and the relaxed easy cruising 2 up with luggage:lol: .
And it has never broken down in 5 years. :p
Anyway thats my 2c worth

[PepeLePew]

Of course it isn't, we are talking about Holden lovers now, couldn't possibly have a problem with them. How can useless scoops that are added for no reason but to look good (highly questionable!), not be considered rice?

Some of you people are so hipocritical about what others do to their cars. Sure it might not tend to your personal tastes but if the person driving the car is happy with the way it looks, then that is all that matters.


Sir, me thinks you forgot to read the rest of my post. As I pointed out I also modded my old EL by fitting the larger XR8 spoiler from the Ford parts bin, I can far from be accused of being a Holden one-eyed type. The larger spoiler was also useless, however I, and others liked it, whether you would have I cant comment on.

Hypocritical is those that take the parts of posts they require to make a point and leave out the rest.

Now if you read what you said first in the first paragraph, then what you said second, they contradict each other. So its ok for people to do what they want to their cars and everyone should be happy, but its "added for no reason but to look good (highly questionable!)" putting 'useless' scoops on?

Seriously.... :rolleyes:

This whole thread while sort of interesting at the beginning is starting down the gurgler.....

[Chris5.7ltr]

Geez, soon people will be saying 'nice paint' is rice.

It ads no performance gain but does looks better then undercoat.

[Merlin]

Geez, soon people will be saying 'nice paint' is rice.
.

it depends - you talking about that pearl paint :p

[NinetySix]

Opions to are just like ****. :bash:
Why everyone has one and each to their own.
Did I pay more for my Harley? Definitely.
Will resale be better after doing 125,000K's? Definitely. :booty:
It is still worth at least 3/4 of what I paid. :D
And why did I buy it? Cause of the torque and the relaxed easy cruising 2 up with luggage:lol: .
And it has never broken down in 5 years. :p
Anyway thats my 2c worth

i guess i was a little too direct in my approach on that, so each to their own...

but the fact is, no true V8 lover could possibly think a harley sounds better than a VFR with a loud pipe :cool:

[dominik]

Yeah I agree - 99% of them are riced up - its a shame really, some of the nicest imports i have seen are the simple clean ones with the rear wing removed.

PS - As a sidenote I don't view a 3" exhaust on a turbo car as rice (2L and up) - most performance shops would recommend a straight through 3" turbo back exhaust as the best performance option. Although if you are just talking about the stupid muffler tips then once again I agree! Yeah, I meant the rice cannon, especially the ones that are almost dragging along the road. re: wings, I saw one last night on a white Skyline that took the cake. Height of wing: level with the roof :eek: Not one of those drift wing types you see on R34 GTRs, but the curved shape. Why do they do it?

This is where the problem lies. Stripped of all those useless bits most of the Jap imports look fine and would have a lot more fans and respect if the owners kept them looking close to stock. That's why I like the Monaro so much and plan to get one later in the year. It turns heads but in a subtle way.

Anyway, all the rice was cruising around last night and a few hundred bov pffftts later it came to me like a bolt of lightning. I remembered a funny ricer contraption a friend once sent me a link to, so when I got home I looked around online and found it. I present to you...

The ultimate way to rice up your non-turbo import on a budget (http://www.sunamiturbo.com/)

[Merlin]

Anyway, all the rice was cruising around last night and a few hundred bov pffftts later it came to me like a bolt of lightning. I remembered a funny ricer contraption a friend once sent me a link to, so when I got home I looked around online and found it. I present to you...

The ultimate way to rice up your non-turbo import on a budget (http://www.sunamiturbo.com/)

Ahh - now I believe that would have to be the ULTIMATE rice - what else could possibly beat that?

[Inter-ceptor]

Yeah, I meant the rice cannon, especially the ones that are almost dragging along the road. re: wings, I saw one last night on a white Skyline that took the cake. Height of wing: level with the roof :eek: Not one of those drift wing types you see on R34 GTRs, but the curved shape. Why do they do it?

This is where the problem lies. Stripped of all those useless bits most of the Jap imports look fine and would have a lot more fans and respect if the owners kept them looking close to stock. That's why I like the Monaro so much and plan to get one later in the year. It turns heads but in a subtle way.

Anyway, all the rice was cruising around last night and a few hundred bov pffftts later it came to me like a bolt of lightning. I remembered a funny ricer contraption a friend once sent me a link to, so when I got home I looked around online and found it. I present to you...

The ultimate way to rice up your non-turbo import on a budget (http://www.sunamiturbo.com/)


Ok I understand neon lights, magz, huge subbie etc, but THAT? Why would you want to have something like that in your car? The fact that its also a rip off... I mean :lol:

[VQ304]

but the fact is, no true V8 lover could possibly think a harley sounds better than a VFR with a loud pipe :cool:

I respect your opinion, but I don't get what you mean. Isn't the whole appeal of the V8 sound because it's got a deep rumble? And isn't that what Harleys sound like too? Jap bikes have more of a high pitch whine.

[NinetySix]

once again, somebody has assumed that a harley will always sound better than a loud VFR, without actually knowing what one sounds like :rolleyes:


go back a few pages in this thread i posted some links to audio clips of vfr's being revved... you wont be disappointed :cool:


if only they made them in 1000+cc variants..

[TUNDV8]

Hey guys, looks like from the length of this thread that ricers aren't popular amongst the LS1 crowd... so i present to you the GLOSSARY OF RICE :D

Courtesy of ----> http://www.anti-rice.com/ :lol:

Rice: (Not the food) A car that is has one or more stock parts replaced that offer little or no performance gains, often resulting in a ridiculious looking car with lower resale value. You'll know one of these cars when you see one. The word probably comes from the fact that many of these cars are Japanese. (No offence)

Mods include but are not limited to:
Rims that cost more than car, tacky body kits, Altezza tail lights, fake lowering kits, mismatched rims, vivid color schemes that hurt the eye, skinny tires, spinners, wing, and more.

Ricer: One who does any of the above modifications to their car, usually without consideration for true performance.
Altezzas: A set of rear lights that are transparent with only the tail light regions being colored. Often seen stock on the Toyota Altezza, Nissan Maxima/Altima, and others. Often considerd cliche.
Spinners: Fan-like extentions to the wheels that spin independenly like a pin wheel.
Lowered-Look: Refers to cars that have a body kit that makes the car look like it has been reduced in height. Some are dumb enough to make their car unable to go over speed bumps because of this.
Vinyl: Aftermarket decals that supposedly add HP.
Ghey/Gh3y: This is a color sheme that has a very bad shade of pink or some other vivid/girly color. It's a colorful way of saying that a car really sucks.
Lambo Doors: Doors that open vertically like on a Lamborghini. They swing upward (rather than outward like the gullwing doors on a Delorean.) Often conidered an insult to Lamborghini and in bad taste.
Fart Cannon/Fart Can: An absurd sounding and large exhaust pipe. Sounds like a Drive-by fart. They don't necessarily do anything for performance.
Neons: Additional colored lighting on the interior and exterior of a car. Another popular mod for ricers.

My Defs:
Rice on Ice: When a ricer drives too fast in snowy conditions, you have rice on ice.
Fried Rice: A rice mobile that has caught on fire.
Fart mobile: A rice mobile with a loud, farty exhaust.
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Thats all I can think of now, I know I have more, but in the mean time, add your own.

[TUNDV8]

Sorry it wouldn't let me edit my post so ah... another post in this never ending thread... lol

Check out the gallary section is a laugh!

http://www.anti-rice.com/

[NuffNuff]

http://www.jademonkeys.com/cyabye.jpg

Saw this car today, not sure what kind of statement that number plate is trying to make. (and it wasnt a sleeper .. thankfully) :confused:

[CarlFST60L]

http://www.jademonkeys.com/cyabye.jpg

Saw this car today, not sure what kind of statement that number plate is trying to make. (and it wasnt a sleeper .. thankfully) :confused:

:lol: Thats what you read in your rear view mirror

[NinetySix]

im tipping the guy is gonna gun it to get in the right lane and turn into supacheap auto to buy some carbon fibre look contact, some alloy checkerplating, and a WRX style air scoop ("can be used as a prop or real scoop!") :lol:

[NuffNuff]

haha, it ended up being some girl, traffic got busy a bit up the road and she was weaving in and out of it like f1 cars trying to keep their tyres warm. :errr:

[commomate]

I work in a area that has a lot of riced up cars in it and many come into the workshop eg.
Honda Civics with 5" exhausts, huge spoiler kits, massive front air dams that put the v8 supercars to shame, huge driving lights, neon lights inside and out, monster tachos with shift lights (most in 3 speed autos), lights on the windscreen washers, stereos with amps and a bootload of subwoofers, fake checker plate lined on the inside, so called "sponsership stickers down the door that have nothing to do with the car (more of a wish list) massive wheels with rubber bands for tyres, heaps of things blutaked to the dash and a pod filter being maybe the only performance gain

This is what I call RICE!

Little do they know they have increased drag added 200kg+ of weight lost alot of torque makig the car alot slower.
But in their eyes thay have turned the car into a street animal

We have a guy at work that belives that a pod filter on his 1.8l n/a nissan has given him 20kw at the wheels and says that it does so because jap cars work different to aussie cars when I say that they only give V8's 3-5kw MAX

Don't get me wrong I like most cars and belive that every car performs a purpose to a certian person and alot of jap cars are fun well built and powerfull cars to drive. And putting a nice neat rear spoiler, lowering and nice set of wheels on your car is fine But sticking a heap of useless and anoying crap (neon and washer lights) and thinking you have made your car faster is RICE!!!!!!

[Nawdy]

I'm no fan of rice either but it's a matter of perception and availability of dollars. Perception in that they think their cars look cool, getting good value for money, and giving themselves an edge in the black-catting stakes. If they want to kid themsleves, they can go for it.

Availability of dollars is just that - as has already been said, it's all a lot of them can afford. Everyone has to start somewhere.

What gets up my nose is when they try to convince you what they are telling you is true - they remind me of Mormons selling religion. And the attitude that comes with it.As the saying goes - when the flag drops the bullshit stops. And so the world moves on.

[ls1ozstyle]

Im avid V8 fan since i was a kid and ive been to a few "Hair Dryer" car shows.
The reason I hate turbocharged cars is not because of the cars, but because of 90% of the owners. The owners turn me off the car.

You see young guys 17-22 yr olds in there skylines, wrxs, soarers and what not. Ask them what they have done to there car.

"Oh ive got a pod filter, exaust and computer, and it makes 600HP and runs 10s"

That is what anoys me...... Its the bullshit they talk. You mention to them.... are you sure these few mods bring it upto 600HP? Yeah ive had it dynoed and soon im getting nos!!! it should be good for 9s then.. (remeber these are stock cars with minimal bolt ons)

This angers me.... and when you start getting technical with them explaining that the stock car makes 200HP and the mods they got can only possibly bring it to 250.... they start saying "But on the fast and the furious they did this and that ect ect......"

AHHHHH so this is where there getting there tech knowledge from... i believe thats why so many of the young people talk so much crap and drive these cheesy coloured, lego city, buzzing pain in the asses. There getting there technical knowledge from a movie. I personally believe that the fast and the furious has destroyed the car scene.

What happend to the days when people spent hours working on there own car.... spraying, building ect.... that is what i class as a street machine. not a ****ing skyline that has been taken down to a shop and had a bodykit fitted.

why am i so angrey for you ask..... because my 19 yr old next door neigbour has a stock 97 wrx with an exaust. And he gets angrey at me for not believing he ran a 11.0 flat at the motorplex. Ask for a time slip you ask... i do.... and he looses em. You tell him an exhaust only adds 15 - 20HP on a WRX and he says "Yeah but it upps the boost by 9 lbs and gives it another 200HP"


anyway is there a point to this??
i dunno.

What has happened to the street machine community where people tell the truth and know what they are talking about?

Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts?

There are two types of males in this world..... Men, and boys

And we all know what kind of cars them Men drive.... i am in an LS1 forum after all.



Well Said.
For a 22 year old, you sure have a lot of old school in you my friend.
:bow: :bow: :bow:
How is it round my way? There seems to be a heap of 4cylinder shit boxes getting around with the blow off valve realease noise yet their not even turboed, that my friend is 100% pure RICE.

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[gmh308]

>>> PS - As a sidenote I don't view a 3" exhaust on a turbo car as rice (2L and up) - most performance shops would recommend a straight through 3" turbo back exhaust as the best performance option. Although if you are just talking about the stupid muffler tips then once again I agree!


About 4,000 years ago I had a turbocharged 5L XU1 Torana with a 3 inch exhaust and 3" straight through muffler and that beasty was certainly not rice. But of course no BOV blatt noise as the wastegate vented to the exhaust. All you could hear was a healthy V8 rumble and this cool little whistle when it got up and hauled.

[dominik]

Hey guys, looks like from the length of this thread that ricers aren't popular amongst the LS1 crowd... so i present to you the GLOSSARY OF RICE :D

Courtesy of ----> http://www.anti-rice.com/ :lol: Some real shockers there.

I guess there are many levels of rice, from mild to extreme... you know, the shopping list down the side and the rice cannon, they're pretty common, and then there's those wheel spinner things, neons, etc. which crank the tackiness up a few notches, but what always gets a laugh out of me is a giant wing.

Anyone know where I can get one like this for the SS? I think I need more DOWNFORCE :rolleyes:

http://www.riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_10/pink_civic.jpg http://www.anti-rice.com/rice19/6b_1.jpg

And then you've got bodykits that make the car look like some kind of spacecraft ->

http://www.anti-rice.com/rice12/0143.jpg

It's all good for a laugh but I think it's a shame when it ends up on some of the performance cars so it gets to a point where the lines are blurred and we start calling it all rice.

And then you've got the cloning problem. A good example is the Evo. Many experts consider it superior to the STi yet with so many riced up Lancers on the streets trying to look like one you'd probably think twice before plonking down big bucks to drive one when a lot of people are not going to think it's anything special, until you put your foot down that is. To a lesser extent the Skyline GT-R is like that. You don't often see the real deal around here but when you do it doesn't make you do a double take because of all those clones with fake badges and replica bodykits that are everywhere.

[Bully]

At first I couldnt be bothered buying into this one, but anyway......
The reliability factor which has been argued about can be proven if one goes back to Bathurst late eighties early nineties, how many sierras and skylines started the race, how many finished??? Also, 1990 the old 304 came through for Holden, Alan Grice winning Bathurst by outlasting the failing turbos.
Yes technology has improved since then, but most of the imports are in fact from this era.

[Bully]

As for the bodykits & dickhead factor, Ive seen a shit load of V6 commodores with stupid bodykits on em, and the dickhead factor, you just have to hear a VN/ VP with a "SPORTS" exhaust, V6 commodore with big exhaust sounds horrible, then they will try & impress & show how tough they are by finding a wet road & going sideways around corners & try spinning the wheels at every opportunity.
Moral of the story: Dickheads are aplenty, not just limited to jap cars!!!!!

[NinetySix]

But of course no BOV blatt noise as the wastegate vented to the exhaust

a blow off valve is different to a wastegate... if you gave it a stick and then got off the throttle, would you hear a "chu chu chu" noise?


At first I couldnt be bothered buying into this one, but anyway......
The reliability factor which has been argued about can be proven if one goes back to Bathurst late eighties early nineties, how many sierras and skylines started the race, how many finished??? Also, 1990 the old 304 came through for Holden, Alan Grice winning Bathurst by outlasting the failing turbos.
Yes technology has improved since then, but most of the imports are in fact from this era.

actually it was only really the sierras that were melting a few engines per weekend, but they were making some silly HP from a 2 litre with some equally silly boost.. and they were from the UK not japan :p

the GTR certainly suffered some teething problems when it first got into group A here, but nothing could touch it thru 91 and 92 ....

for a detailed read on the time it spent in group A racing here from about 89 to 92 have a read of this:

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-27539.html

very interesting read even if you hate em or love em. brings back some dusty memorys any way :D

[Inter-ceptor]

I wonder if the owner of antirice.com has anything else to do apart from chasing cars around and being a "rice paparazi." Judging by his efforts I think he loves them... :D

[SASLS1]

The ultimate exhaust!!!.......


http://images.urbandictionary.com/view/large/3824.jpg

[gmh308]

[QUOTE=NinetySix]a blow off valve is different to a wastegate... if you gave it a stick and then got off the throttle, would you hear a "chu chu chu" noise?

mmm...so right. No there was no surge (chu chu) on closing the throttle when giving it some stick. Cant remember why, probably coz it was a low boost setup 5 - 6 psi running standard 9:1 comp, and / or a relatively small compressor compared to those used these days and / or the fact that it was a carbed setup with the carb on the front of the compressor.

The VH SS I had later had throttle body injection and was on the compressed side, but still no surge.

See ya.

[NinetySix]

guess it didnt need a BOV then...

basically all jap turbos come standard with them, but they usually run no less than about 7psi stock... some up to 14psi! but they are silent bovs that just plumb back into the intake ... and the ECU usually compensates for the extra air with extra fuel but with an external BOV it dosnt get the air... just the fuel! so when you see a jap turbo sneezing and farting at the same time you know its dying for a tune :lol:


mmmm turbo v8's.... :cool: i had a video somewhere of a LX torry with a turbod 308 running a very low 9 second pass... huge intercooler behind the grill and a boxed carby sticking thru the bonnet ;)

[Chris5.7ltr]

mmmm turbo v8's.... :cool: i had a video somewhere of a LX torry with a turbod 308 running a very low 9 second pass... huge intercooler behind the grill and a boxed carby sticking thru the bonnet ;)
That sounds like Jake's torrie from Jakes Performance in the ACT, runs a modified Mack truck turbo and HQ heads with a standard stroke 308 and blow through carbie set up.
Last I heard he was changing to EFI.

Wild car, I think it pulls over 800rwhp?

[NinetySix]

yeah i heard it was mostly standard... cubes + forced induction = spastic :cool:


800rwhp i could easily beleive with the ~150mph trap speeds

[V8_UTE]

so many funny coments !! love it :box: Lets get ready to rumble rice vs Bogans :mad: what annoys me is these rice boys who think they are cool because they can beat a totally stock commodore out of the lights with a v6 and they have 1000 rice funtions

[dominik]

so many funny coments !! love it :box: Lets get ready to rumble rice vs Bogans :mad: what annoys me is these rice boys who think they are cool because they can beat a totally stock commodore out of the lights with a v6 and they have 1000 rice funtionsV8 UTE, it does seem like it on the streets at times (us vs. them), but the best thing about this place is how everyone is focused on getting the most out of their ride and the bottom line = track times. I also appreciate the fact the moderators aren't interested in direct Holden/HSV vs. X bashing. Sadly this kind of approach elsewhere is rare.

On a lot of other car forums there's so much bragging of beating car X on the street without any stats/times to back it up and then they all join in the bashing and declare all Commodores a joke. Let's face it, the only place where you can really find out what your car is capable of and how it measures up to the competition is down at the track. Everything else can't be taken too seriously, even if some of the street-based discussions are entertaining.

For example, I've lost count of how many times I've read "yeah, Commos are shit, I gave one of those $100K GTS Monaros a flogging the other night... too easy... heavy dinosaurs LOL" type messages on WRX/etc. forums which is a real bore because they seem to throw all the variables out the window. And for all we know they could be racing stock V6s with Clubby kits and GTS rims.

Have I bought into it on the street before? Sure. Sometimes I take the bait and sometimes I couldn't care less, it depends on my mood at the time, the situation, and how they're behaving. Whenever those guys say our cars are slow and old technology (WTF? :confused: Ask them what years OHV and DOHC designs came out and I bet they can't tell you, and then ask them about fuel economy in both designs...) my first line is "how about you take the hairdryer off or I bolt a hairdryer on?" They often forget we have the same tuning options as they do, but it seems their knowledge of our cars is really outdated and a lot of what they say smacks of ignorance. Anyway, no matter how much crap I talk myself, I never lose sight of the real test which is on a drag strip.

Here most guys would just say "bring it down to the track and we'll see", a no-nonsense attitude and I respect that. The LS1 timeslips are there for everyone to see and speak volumes about the kind of performance possible with Aussie cars running Yankee muscle under the hood. If the import fans and ricers aren't interested in what really matters then I don't care much for what they think of us and what we drive. Anyway, I reckon it makes things more fun out there :)

[NinetySix]

gawd... i was at a dying party on new years eve and in the early hours of the morning when the alcohol was wearing off a long discussioned started about motoring...

i gave praise to the LS1 and XR6T for their enourmous BFYB potential... and all of a sudden a homosexual arts student (no joke) piped up about how fantastic his brand new $18k pulsar was and how much potential that had, and that OHV v8's really needed to get with the times as its "old technology" even if it was making huge power... then when i praised the LS1's (fuel) efficiency without using the word "fuel" i was shot down saying "no it is not efficient, its nearly 6 litres! its all about power per litre.." :confused:

i then left the convo and got stuck into some canadian club after that :p

[Merlin]

and that OHV v8's really needed to get with the times as its "old technology" even if it was making huge power... then when i praised the LS1's (fuel) efficiency without using the word "fuel" i was shot down saying "no it is not efficient, its nearly 6 litres! its all about power per litre.." :confused:



Lets not start up that whole argument again we will be here for years :confused:

Best not to argue and blow them away at the first opportunity.

[NinetySix]

well i couldnt really *cough* offer to blow him away in my 1984 laser sedan ... unless maybe he was only running on 2 cylinders :rolleyes:


he wasnt real keen to race my bike tho :cool:

[Merlin]

he wasnt real keen to race my bike tho :cool:

Ah com'n you could have given him a kilometre head start and made it fair :D

[NinetySix]

thing is his car was bone stock cept for a stronger clutch cause he burnt the stocko trying to drive it fast :lol:

kept going on about how if it had a turbo and a LSD fitted it would be the shiznit. meh.


hell no body races the bike, im no traffic light GP hero (and downright sensible on the rd, lets not start up about being a safe driver/rider!) but i enjoy the odd squirt to just over the speed limit with or without somebody next to me ... and one thing i notice is that anybody in a riced skyline or supra waits until im about 15 meters ahead of them before even taking off... and even then they go like a granny! :lol: they are probably mostly n/a, but even the subtle ones that are turbos are the same... when i had such a car i would give it a bit of stick here'n there at least...

certainly a lot of LS1's quite actively like to play... i remember a ute the other day with the plates NGHTMR, he was keen as mustard for a run :lol:

V6 commodores are usually pretty keen too... i cruise away form the lights with about 15% throttle and notice theres a god awful rattling/vibrating comming from a car next to me with the driver flat to the boards taking each gear to the limiter :eek: i just let them rocket ahead of me, too scared of being impaled on a flying conrod!

[Inter-ceptor]

I drive my car like its a HSV... lol I think I should cut down on the number of quick take offs I do.

The thing I noticed is when I drive slow and let people in i usually get abused, people rush past me and cut right infront of me. This never happens when I drive like a hoon because I pretty much eat every car out there as long as its not some high powered beast of a muscle car or a quick sports car.

[NinetySix]

i go hard away from the lights on the bike all the time... its always safer to leave a buffer between me and other traffic

[Inter-ceptor]

i go hard away from the lights on the bike all the time... its always safer to leave a buffer between me and other traffic
Exactly my point! You are to manuver anywhere you like when you have that extra buffer between you and the horde of cars behind you.

[Merlin]

Exactly my point! You are to manuver anywhere you like when you have that extra buffer between you and the horde of cars behind you.

yeah but there really isnt much point to it in a car - we do it on a bike so we dont get collected by susie lipstick in her white camry (which barely missed me today i might add on Victoria Rd) :mad:

[Inter-ceptor]

yeah but there really isnt much point to it in a car - we do it on a bike so we dont get collected by susie lipstick in her white camry (which barely missed me today i might add on Victoria Rd) :mad:
Yeah bikes are dangerous things, dunno how you guys can ride em.

[Merlin]

Yeah bikes are dangerous things, dunno how you guys can ride em.

danger is my middle name :lol:

lol - just like the whole P plate debate a bike/car is only as dangerous as the rider/driver.

But with a bike you stilll have to add in the other road users who try and kill you daily, concentration, buffers not riding in blind spots - the bike licensing system teaches you all that its brilliant, its whats needed in car training.

[Inter-ceptor]

danger is my middle name :lol:

lol - just like the whole P plate debate a bike/car is only as dangerous as the rider/driver.

But with a bike you stilll have to add in the other road users who try and kill you daily, concentration, buffers not riding in blind spots - the bike licensing system teaches you all that its brilliant, its whats needed in car training.
Well if falling of a bike is ok by you then your a brave or silly man ;)
Although they are great at cutting travelling time... but IMO the risk with them just aint worth it.

[NinetySix]

the fun is, how ever :cool: and its not something you can ever understand till you go for a blat on one.

[RedbackTT4.0]

If any of you guys saw my car you would probably presume that "I" had a RICE exhaust too because of the drone of my 3" exhaust, 4" tip( 3" looks weird) and the plain interceptors. Although many LS1's would have trouble keeping pace. Try checking the front before making assumptions. Now I dont want everyone up in arms regarding my "many" comment. In other words " a lot of" and not " all LS1's" I was reffering to.
And I drive a 12 second daily driven hasn't broken down once in 4 yrs VLT. :cool:
And to the dude that stated "RICE" to my another post about our magnuson supercharged LS1 Redback. Good 1 idiot. If that's rice, I'll take two serves.

[NinetySix]

me too! ... with a helping of spicy mongolian pok :D

[Inter-ceptor]

the fun is, how ever :cool: and its not something you can ever understand till you go for a blat on one.
Oh ive had my share of motorbikes as a kid, offcourse they are prolly nothing compared to what you guys ride. Its a lot of fun but I much prefer cars :)

[RedbackTT4.0]

If any of you guys saw my car you would probably presume that "I" had a RICE exhaust too because of the drone of my 3" exhaust, 4" tip( 3" looks weird) and the plain interceptors. Although many LS1's would have trouble keeping pace. Try checking the front before making assumptions. Now I dont want everyone up in arms regarding my "many" comment. In other words " a lot of" and not " all LS1's" I was reffering to.
And I drive a 12 second daily driven hasn't broken down once in 4 yrs VLT. :cool:
And to the dude that stated "RICE" to my another post about our magnuson supercharged LS1 Redback. Good 1 idiot. If that's rice, I'll take two serves.

Regarding my RICE remark I apologize as it was another 'forbidden site' and I couldn't edit my remark, although it still believe it's relevant.
See link to understand what I am talking about. http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/forum_3/showthread.php?t=46209

[blk285]

My first car was a Toyota starlet GT. A 1.3 litre turbo. I spent 17000 to buy and 5k on engine mods. It put out 187kw at the wheels after mods. I ran a high 11 on low boost. Believe me they have unreal potential for a small budget. And very addictive. The fun part was i could adjust the boost for the turbo in side the car by pushing a button. Cant do that with a V8.

[220i]

Saw this bloke the other day in a debaged RX done up like a WRX...who does he think he's fooling, why would you debage a real wrx?? Anyways, he had it done up with rims, lowered it, Milo tin exhaust and had a weird whistle when he changed gears. Didn't sound right. So he drops it down and revs the crap out of it and lets off the token moose call yet this thing was basically going nowhere, must've had one of those fake blow-off things...sooo :limpy: it made me cringe.

But back to debaging, is it considered rice to put a clubby kit on an executive? I think the general view of 'rice' is tyring to be something your not, so is mocking up a commo with HSV gear rice?

The term rice is pretty strange to me as when I first heard it going around I thought Jap cars = rice due to it being Japanese (as stated before, no offence). If someone puts thier 'shopping list' down their car, calling it RICE has about as much relevance as calling it 'tree'. ahh well, maybe its just me haha :rolleyes:

[dominik]

Saw this bloke the other day in a debaged RX done up like a WRX...who does he think he's fooling, why would you debage a real wrx?? Anyways, he had it done up with rims, lowered it, Milo tin exhaust and had a weird whistle when he changed gears. Didn't sound right. So he drops it down and revs the crap out of it and lets off the token moose call yet this thing was basically going nowhere, must've had one of those fake blow-off things...sooo :limpy: it made me cringe.

But back to debaging, is it considered rice to put a clubby kit on an executive? I think the general view of 'rice' is tyring to be something your not, so is mocking up a commo with HSV gear rice?Interesting. I've seen quite a few 200SXs and WRXs that have been debadged (and some with the wings removed). There's nothing wrong with it in my opinion, in fact, if a car has been lowered, had engine mods done, etc., I think it's a nice touch.

As for a Clubby kit on an Executive, I think once again, if it's been modified elsewhere it probably gets more respect and seems justifiable. A Clubby kit on a stock V6 just doesn't do anything for me. If it's an LS1 then it shares the same engine so it's no big deal. There's a red VX Executive with a Clubby kit in a recent SC magazine that pumps out 340kw at the treads and has a stack of expensive drivetrain upgrades making it better than anything HSV sells so I have no problem with it. The VX Clubby kit is easily the best kit they've ever put on a car anyway.

P.S. As for the definition of "rice" I think it's been pretty well covered on this thread. Giant wings, coffee can exhausts, shopping list stickers down the side (thieves must really love that one), neons, etc. etc. etc. Anything that serves no functional or performance enhancing purpose. Kind of like "I wish my old clapped out Lancer was a Tommi Makinen EVO..." and then away they go putting bits and stickers on it that do nothing to make it perform better but maybe in their mind it feels more like a race car. Leather seats and 19" rims on an LS1 might do nothing for performance but most people agree it looks better. Ditto for a better sound system. Otherwise, the money is better off going toward the engine and drivetrain.

[Merlin]

But back to debaging, is it considered rice to put a clubby kit on an executive? I think the general view of 'rice' is tyring to be something your not, so is mocking up a commo with HSV gear rice?

The term rice is pretty strange to me as when I first heard it going around I thought Jap cars = rice due to it being Japanese (as stated before, no offence). If someone puts thier 'shopping list' down their car, calling it RICE has about as much relevance as calling it 'tree'. ahh well, maybe its just me haha :rolleyes:

Yes of course it is rice - it comes in all flavours you know :D

Rice: "a modification that does not hold any performance value" or as you said "pretending to be something your not".

Yesterday I saw a Commodore with those European plates - to me that is rice and just looked plain stupid, each to their own though.

A recent "rice story":

I went to get a pizza on Saturday night. So I am waiting outside pizza hut at Baulkham Hills and if anyone is familiar with this place basically the car park is full of all the 17 year old red P plater delivery boys who waste their money on exhausts and wheels for their red Barinas and Charades :bash:

Anyway I'm standing there and suddenly I hear this screeching noise and a white Camry comes tearing into the car park. It is a plain white Camry approx 1995 model. It had one of those cannon exhausts on it and it had mags – BUT the mags were like 14 inches so they just looked stupid as there was a huge space between the mags and wheel arch. To top it off – HKS stickers down each door! :confused:

So Mr 30 odd year old habib gets out of the car (no it wasnt a p plater) picks up a pizza then as he is leaving decides to “give it some” and does a pathetic wheelspin up the road (this thing sounded like a giant fart machine).

My fiancé and I are pissing ourselves laughing and the pizza delivery boys (about 4 of them standing around) are staring at me. Anyway one goes “what are you laughing at that was awesome” Me: “umm that ridiculous Camry” when one of the others turns to another and says “man that was so cool – what do you think he had done to it, it must have been a turbo 6” By this stage I am thinking “what’s wrong with teenagers these days” how can you be so niave. I informed them that any manual front wheel drive POS will spin the tyres and that was just a riced up Camry to which said argument ensued until my pizza was ready and we left. :box:

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[dominik]

My fiancé and I are pissing ourselves laughing and the pizza delivery boys (about 4 of them standing around) are staring at me. Anyway one goes “what are you laughing at that was awesome” Me: “umm that ridiculous Camry” when one of the others turns to another and says “man that was so cool – what do you think he had done to it, it must have been a turbo 6” Merlin, there's a certain rule I follow and I do my best to enforce it: DO NOT piss off people in fast food. I eat out quite often so I'm at the mercy of them and the last thing I need is for some pizza guy to mess with my super supreme :)

I agree with what you said though... all that stuff is ridiculous. I guess you just have to tell yourself at times like that, "I'm glad that's not me."

[Merlin]

I agree with what you said though... all that stuff is ridiculous. I guess you just have to tell yourself at times like that, "I'm glad that's not me."

I could have sympathised if the guy was young (ie. dosnt know any better and will grow out of it) but he was 30 with a combover! Very strange

[Merlin]

I agree with what you said though... all that stuff is ridiculous. I guess you just have to tell yourself at times like that, "I'm glad that's not me."

I could have sympathised if the camry guy was young (ie. dosnt know any better and will grow out of it) but he was 30 with a combover! Very strange

PS- sorry double post

[dominik]

I could have sympathised if the camry guy was young (ie. dosnt know any better and will grow out of it) but he was 30 with a combover! Very strangeSounds like he's a late bloomer and potentially a lost cause. Like the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks," I'm not sure Habib can be saved.

He might make up for it in other ways... I'll bet he makes a mean pizza.

[V8ERUS]

Mate i'll go one step further and say it is UNAustralian to 1) own a jap car
and 2) owning a japper and bragging about it and 3) not owning an Australian made car with a V8 :)

[exwrx]

Mate i'll go one step further and say it is UNAustralian to 1) own a jap car
and 2) owning a japper and bragging about it and 3) not owning an Australian made car with a V8 :)

OK then I wont, but dont brag too hard about how 'Australian' your car really is :rolleyes:

[220i]

Mine is :hide:

[DJ_LG]

I think the reason why people on this forum get annoyed at riced up cars is because they remember what the website is called: www.ls1.com.au Its named after a bloody engine, so you'd think it was all about performance enhancement and a place to meet like minded people. I was pretty stupid to think that everyone on this site owned an LS1. Everyone else who keeps protecting those rice burners should think about that. Why are you here?

[ls1ozstyle]

Has the meaning of 'Rice' changed?
I always thought 'Rice' was short for 'Rice Burner' which was a funny term for any car made in Japan. :confused:



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[NinetySix]

IQ's skyrocket when "us against them" mentalities are prosperous.

[POLARBEAR-HSVR8]

This is some pretty funny reading. I got this link off the Perth WRX site and it reminded me that I am still logged in here too.

Having owned a basic mod 99 wrx, a clubbie with about 215rwkw and now a 2 door WRX STI. It is obvious that I am fairly unbiased when it comes to cars.

I would have to say that I hate rice as much as all of you but I would suggest that you dont need to have a japanese car to be "rice". If you read street commos and Hot 4's there are just as many tarted up stockies wanting to be brockies as their are lancers with TOMMI on the front window and a SPoon sticker on the rear bar.

The interesting bit is, I have never been able to get a race out of the 19" chrome wearing commo's with big stezza's and mega loud exhausts. The only goers I have raced were an old holden ute with just two tone paint and pin stripes (QIK-318) and a few stock looking LS1's with zaust and the usual mods. The most fun was a red VU ute on mounts bay road near UWA. We had 2 runs one rolling start and one from the lights and it was great fun. Maybe he is on here to verify racing a a blue 2 door STI.

So don't brand us all "Rice Rockets" just cause we drive a jap car. Just as many commo drivers treat their cars like giant excels with the murals, stickers and all white leather interior to match.

My car is a blue 2 door STI with gold 16" rims. I have not seen another riding around on the stock rims in perth so if you ever see me on perth roads feel free to try and fry my rice but beware, I ALSO have a sticker that reads only milk and juice comes in 2ltr.

[Chris5.7ltr]

Feb 06 I'll be getting hitched (married) and tghe missus has agreed that after that I can start building my dream car, a 1933 Ford 3 window coupe hot rod.:D
Which means I'll be selling my SS and more then likely buying a VT onwards wagon V6. :(
But I can't drive around a stock looking car so I'll be adding a VZ Monaro front (minus the bonnet),19" chrome wheels,lowering it with nice (very) dark tinted windows and theres a good chance it will be white (easy to keep clean)
Nice parts runner then can seat more then 2 people (unlike a ute), does this make it rice?:rolleyes:

[ls1ozstyle]

Feb 06 I'll be getting hitched (married) and tghe missus has agreed that after that I can start building my dream car, a 1933 Ford 3 window coupe hot rod.:D
Which means I'll be selling my SS and more then likely buying a VT onwards wagon V6. :(
But I can't drive around a stock looking car so I'll be adding a VZ Monaro front (minus the bonnet),19" chrome wheels,lowering it with nice (very) dark tinted windows and theres a good chance it will be white (easy to keep clean)
Nice parts runner then can seat more then 2 people (unlike a ute), does this make it rice?:rolleyes:


This is not Rice by my defenition (not from Japan). But it seems the term 'Rice' has changed :eek: . From what I've read on this thread 'rice' it seems is more about impersonating rice. Also from what I've read I myself would be quilty of 'ricing up' (if you will) :eek: as I have changed my taillights to something other than stock and it gives nil performance value. Can someone please spill a drop of wisdom on this confusing subject? :D


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[POLARBEAR-HSVR8]

I think the biggest component of rice is copying a feature of another model/make of car and trying to put that on your car and pass it off as the same (same look, same power, etc).

Ala the WRX bonnet scoop on everthing with 4 wheels and a bonnet including the odd commodore.

Or the ever bastardised HSV bodykit that even finds its way onto jap car front ends :eek: and usually accompanied by the WRX bonnet scoop mentioned above.

As a whole RICE is either pretending or bad taste and sometimes both. All of the items mentioned as RICE in this thread seem to match one of these points.

1. Additions copied from another model/make to a lesser model.
2. Additions that the owner has put on to increase "Power", which actually don't or only work on 2F2F cars with full "Motec System Exhausts". IE the Techincally challenged people out there.
3. Additions that involve 2 or more tissue boxes, stuffed toys, pokemon figurines or other #42 with rice type behaviour.
4. Additions that are dissproportionate to the rest of the car, ie 6 spot brakes on an excel with no engine, a wing higher than a 2 storey house on anything other than a full on drift car or stock 700hp GTR (arent they all 700hp nowadays?). Of course the drainpipe exhaust has to crack a mention all 8 inches of tip (with neons).
5. Any additions seen in 2F2F are almost guaranteed to be rice. I would like to see a 1.6 or 1.8 civic even with a SPOON, KNIFE and FORK engine spool up a T-61 turbo let alone drive around as if they have instant throttle response.
6. A tonne of money spent on a car that makes it completely undriveable and restricted to shows only (what is the point other than to beat off about how fried your rice is compared to the other guys).
7. Anyone who claims that a HSV bears any relation to a V8 supercar or that any technology has passed down from v8 supercars to the HSV range. The rear suspension until recently was no more advanced than a Beetle of 50 years of age. :box: At least Subaru's and Mitsu Evo's share a whole bunch in common with their race car big brothers when their owners claim they have rally heritage. :booty:
8. Lasty, Rice is anyone driving a VL commodore who is currently at macca's telling his mate Abdul how his other mates VL does 10 secs (half the LS1 forum right now).

This post has heaps of hate directed towards the poor Jap car owner. I think this UnAustralian hatred is because Jap car owners are thinner and dont require massive coulson seats to house their massive frames and massive engines to pull their massive bulk. :D

[VX11SS]

I think the biggest component of rice is copying a feature of another model/make of car and trying to put that on your car and pass it off as the same (same look, same power, etc).

Ala the WRX bonnet scoop on everthing with 4 wheels and a bonnet including the odd commodore.

Or the ever bastardised HSV bodykit that even finds its way onto jap car front ends :eek: and usually accompanied by the WRX bonnet scoop mentioned above.

As a whole RICE is either pretending or bad taste and sometimes both. All of the items mentioned as RICE in this thread seem to match one of these points.

1. Additions copied from another model/make to a lesser model.
2. Additions that the owner has put on to increase "Power", which actually don't or only work on 2F2F cars with full "Motec System Exhausts". IE the Techincally challenged people out there.
3. Additions that involve 2 or more tissue boxes, stuffed toys, pokemon figurines or other #42 with rice type behaviour.
4. Additions that are dissproportionate to the rest of the car, ie 6 spot brakes on an excel with no engine, a wing higher than a 2 storey house on anything other than a full on drift car or stock 700hp GTR (arent they all 700hp nowadays?). Of course the drainpipe exhaust has to crack a mention all 8 inches of tip (with neons).
5. Any additions seen in 2F2F are almost guaranteed to be rice. I would like to see a 1.6 or 1.8 civic even with a SPOON, KNIFE and FORK engine spool up a T-61 turbo let alone drive around as if they have instant throttle response.
6. A tonne of money spent on a car that makes it completely undriveable and restricted to shows only (what is the point other than to beat off about how fried your rice is compared to the other guys).
7. Anyone who claims that a HSV bears any relation to a V8 supercar or that any technology has passed down from v8 supercars to the HSV range. The rear suspension until recently was no more advanced than a Beetle of 50 years of age. :box: At least Subaru's and Mitsu Evo's share a whole bunch in common with their race car big brothers when their owners claim they have rally heritage. :booty:
8. Lasty, Rice is anyone driving a VL commodore who is currently at macca's telling his mate Abdul how his other mates VL does 10 secs (half the LS1 forum right now).

This post has heaps of hate directed towards the poor Jap car owner. I think this UnAustralian hatred is because Jap car owners are thinner and dont require massive coulson seats to house their massive frames and massive engines to pull their massive bulk. :D

What POLARBEAR-HSVR8 says is spot on :D
Jay

[NinetySix]

gotta say i agree with the bear :cool:


also...


I ALSO have a sticker that reads only milk and juice comes in 2ltr.
i had the same sticker on the back of my 1996 200SX for a while :rolleyes: mainly to stick it to a guy at work with a VS SS who became familiar with my tail lights :lol:

[POLARBEAR-HSVR8]

I have the sticker because my car is not a 2ltr. :demon: :karate:

[Danv8]

Im gonna try and find a sticker saying "Zero grams of rice" or "all pain no grain"

:D

[stinga]

Hey Polar, you forgot to mention to these revheads that you got whipped in a run with a chick in a Rex............... :o

[POLARBEAR-HSVR8]

Yeah, suck my exhaust stinga. As usual selective editing of the story. I drove off from idle after waiting for her to go first and she did a launch off the rev limiter. If she had wanted to see who was faster she would have driven off from idle 2 as I had told her I was not going to launch and break my box in the process. We also were racing towards a 45 degree corner and I came off boost slowing for it and then going around it. She only beat me by like 3 car lengths after getting 5 off the start with a full launch so it wasnt exactly a hammering.

Anyhow, my 6 speed is going in soon and I will be able to do launches without spitting my box out the bottom of the car due to ~240KW ATW.

[piffk_ss]

Im avid V8 fan since i was a kid and ive been to a few "Hair Dryer" car shows.
The reason I hate turbocharged cars is not because of the cars, but because of 90% of the owners. The owners turn me off the car.

You see young guys 17-22 yr olds in there skylines, wrxs, soarers and what not. Ask them what they have done to there car.

"Oh ive got a pod filter, exaust and computer, and it makes 600HP and runs 10s"

That is what anoys me...... Its the bullshit they talk. You mention to them.... are you sure these few mods bring it upto 600HP? Yeah ive had it dynoed and soon im getting nos!!! it should be good for 9s then.. (remeber these are stock cars with minimal bolt ons)

This angers me.... and when you start getting technical with them explaining that the stock car makes 200HP and the mods they got can only possibly bring it to 250.... they start saying "But on the fast and the furious they did this and that ect ect......"

AHHHHH so this is where there getting there tech knowledge from... i believe thats why so many of the young people talk so much crap and drive these cheesy coloured, lego city, buzzing pain in the asses. There getting there technical knowledge from a movie. I personally believe that the fast and the furious has destroyed the car scene.

What happend to the days when people spent hours working on there own car.... spraying, building ect.... that is what i class as a street machine. not a ****ing skyline that has been taken down to a shop and had a bodykit fitted.

why am i so angrey for you ask..... because my 19 yr old next door neigbour has a stock 97 wrx with an exaust. And he gets angrey at me for not believing he ran a 11.0 flat at the motorplex. Ask for a time slip you ask... i do.... and he looses em. You tell him an exhaust only adds 15 - 20HP on a WRX and he says "Yeah but it upps the boost by 9 lbs and gives it another 200HP"


anyway is there a point to this??
i dunno.

What has happened to the street machine community where people tell the truth and know what they are talking about?

Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts?

There are two types of males in this world..... Men, and boys

And we all know what kind of cars them Men drive.... i am in an LS1 forum after all.

don't worrie, the world isn't over! there are still a bunch of smart young people driving v8's! look out side my mates house to see 3 ls1's, 2 holden 304's, 3 ecotech's :rolleyes:, and a 253! and where all under 25 :D :D :D :D

[eldan89]

I found this video on the net, the owner of a ricer mustang (If Possible)makes fool of himself when tries to brag about his car. :lol:

Right Click And Save Target As
http://users.tpg.com.au/eldan/cars/domestic.avi

[Mongy]

http://www.jademonkeys.com/cyabye.jpg

Saw this car today, not sure what kind of statement that number plate is trying to make. (and it wasnt a sleeper .. thankfully) :confused:

Here's another one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/mongy/Tyre002.jpg

The right number plate, 4 1/2" fart cannon, body kit, stickers everywhere, lots and lots of noise, and guess what, wheels that look too small and skinny for the car, around 15" I think. I look at it this way, their spending helps keep other Australians in a job, no matter how misguided there judgement is :lol:

[Thumper]

The age old question. In my younger days, I was challenged to a drag by a guy who had a GTHO ph3. My car was a 57 Chev 331ci with toploader 4 speed, 9" etc. The guy who challenged me was an Aussie on a contract to the company I worked for, and someone told him that my car would cream him. He was as typical of todays ricers could ever be back then, his mind told him, "hey my car is the fastest V8 on the road -Wheels says it is, I can't have people saying it's not". So he challenged me to race for rego's (ownership), (what he didn't know is that my car was doing 12.6 @ 111mph - this was 27 yrs ago) so I gladly accepted, I thought - gee, I'll score a good HO here.
Unfortunately, he found out my car times at the drags from a magazine, and came and apologised.
So, I don't think there's much difference in the youth of today, they go with the flow, media or what the GF says is cool.
A young freind of mine had me build an EVO 4G63 Turbo engine for his rally car, I established that he wanted around 450hp so I built it, I must say easily.
At the same time, a Chev SBC was delivered for a speedway modified. 600bhp on methanol was the ask. Young friend said how is that POS going to make that, I said, Hey easy, more like how can I not get it to make it. He was gob smacked that a 50 yr old engine could make that sort of power.
So this is it, they don't know because they haven't been shown.
Si it is up to us OB's to tell them about wahat worked and works without being smart about it. BTW this did not stop me from enjoying the look on the WRX drivers face when the Cobra 470ci I was in absolutely blasted him. He would not even pull up level at the next lights :lol: :lol: :lol:

[NinetySix]

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/ninetysix/lame.jpg

can anyone else see the irony?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[TURISMO_CV8]

The age old question. In my younger days, I was challenged to a drag by a guy who had a GTHO ph3. My car was a 57 Chev 331ci with toploader 4 speed, 9" etc. The guy who challenged me was an Aussie on a contract to the company I worked for, and someone told him that my car would cream him. He was as typical of todays ricers could ever be back then, his mind told him, "hey my car is the fastest V8 on the road -Wheels says it is, I can't have people saying it's not". So he challenged me to race for rego's (ownership), (what he didn't know is that my car was doing 12.6 @ 111mph - this was 27 yrs ago) so I gladly accepted, I thought - gee, I'll score a good HO here.
Unfortunately, he found out my car times at the drags from a magazine, and came and apologised.
So, I don't think there's much difference in the youth of today, they go with the flow, media or what the GF says is cool.
A young freind of mine had me build an EVO 4G63 Turbo engine for his rally car, I established that he wanted around 450hp so I built it, I must say easily.
At the same time, a Chev SBC was delivered for a speedway modified. 600bhp on methanol was the ask. Young friend said how is that POS going to make that, I said, Hey easy, more like how can I not get it to make it. He was gob smacked that a 50 yr old engine could make that sort of power.
So this is it, they don't know because they haven't been shown.
Si it is up to us OB's to tell them about wahat worked and works without being smart about it. BTW this did not stop me from enjoying the look on the WRX drivers face when the Cobra 470ci I was in absolutely blasted him. He would not even pull up level at the next lights :lol: :lol: :lol:



I'm sure here in syd there would be plenty of REX or GT-R owners who wouldnt be scared to line up any cobra @ the lights (with a big block or not in it) ... god I've seen some from behind and I doubt any RWD even running the stickiest rubber would scat away as quickly ... remember not every REX u pull up to is modified that much even if they might be running a diff muffler or zorst system (and u gotta know how to drive these things, not as simple as putting it in "D" and away we go) ... these cars have built a feard rep for good reason ... its not all hype! .... i love my eights ... but for every quick 8 out there ... there is just as quick 4, 6 and rotor .... ive seen a few edited and cammed (even 1 blown) cars get embarrassed on the street by so called "ricers", ive also seen the opposite happen too .... point is there isnt just one way to power a car to make it go quick ... many ways .. and many combinations to get to the same point & beyond.


and when it comes to power figures .. well nizpro have videos of there 1000HP+ XR6T engine ..... not sure coz i havent looked into it but are there any 1000HP+ LS1's turbo or supercharged enignes? (that even look remotely standard not like anything living inside an outlaw drag car) .... as i said just a question/comment havent really looked into it .... again 8 isnt the only way when it comes to "street cars" .... many ways and methods u can use and im sure any good tuner will admit to that.

[Thumper]

I'm sure here in syd there would be plenty of REX or GT-R owners who wouldnt be scared to line up any cobra @ the lights (with a big block or not in it) ... god I've seen some from behind and I doubt any RWD even running the stickiest rubber would scat away as quickly ...
I guess the point I tried to make, is that I realise that every ricer is not necessarily going to be embarrassed, but not every LS1 or V8 is going to be embarrassed either, I can tell you though, that WRX driver had real fear on his face last time I blasted past him. I guess Cobra's in NZ can have real loud exhausts so maybe that scared him :D and the one I was driving feels as strong as any of the 10sec cars I have driven.
From experience, it's hard to keep any car that claims 1000bhp, at that full potential.

[gmh308]

Has the meaning of 'Rice' changed?
I always thought 'Rice' was short for 'Rice Burner' which was a funny term for any car made in Japan. :confused:

From my memory you are dead right on the origins via "rice burner" ls1ozstyle. The term Rice has evolved over the years from, at least as I recall, the original RX1/2 Rotaries from Mazda. I dont recall the term prior to that "era". Before the Mazda rotaries - and there was a pretty quick RX 1 or 2 at AIR running 13's 25+ years ago, cant recall any early performance cars out of Japan.

Rice Burners became driven by "ricers" (sic....racers?), and the cars became "rice cars", and the look was "rice". No other description defines the concept of "rice". My kids can look at a car (and hear it) and call "rice".

To me, "rice" is purely a look - usually accompanied by a "sound/s" all of which are covered on previous posts"

Lowered, big chrome wheels that look like mutant boat propellas, 3, 4, 5 or 6" exhaust that rats and cats live in when the engine is off, noise usually heard during methane dispensing (faaaarrrrrt), blow off noise (pssssshhhhhhttt), big wing, wierd aero body kits, paid for "sponsors" stickers, drivers with caps on backwards sitting so low in the seats there eyes are level with the bottom of the window.....etc).

In summary - low on taste (from a muscle car view), high on exaggerated features - though a stock looking sleeper GTR is low on rice look or sound - and you gotta respect these Godzilla rockets - until they get "riced".

Rice is a popular sub culture - with asian origins, and is popular with people with asian roots (and spread beyond now) because they did not grow up with american "muscle cars" with mouse and rat motors from which the hot rod culture and real drag racing came from out of the 50's and 60's - which most of us on here with a tendency towards V8's were lucky enough to spawn from. (though "rice" is probably more environmentally friendly - uses less gas/petrol).

American Graffiti covers those cultural roots (where were you in '62?), Fast and Furious is a modern day version of American Graffiti.

Rice is the same thing for a different era, and we are just lucky we know, understand and appreciate "muscle" (which came first) and that cubes truly do always rule in the end, and mostly we like a cleaner high quality "look" (current Monaro - best looking Oz car ever built, best engine etc....).

As Thumper said, "ricers" simply dont get / understand muscle - they are oblivious to it - maybe we should feel some sympathy that they dont get the real world. They are weaned on EFI overhead two stick engines, with VVTi, one or more turbos and blow off valves, bird catcher intercoolers a must because you gotta use a lot of boost to make real grunt, four wheel drive to get the power down once the lag goes, gas to add even more power.

Muscle is simple (i.e. cubes) and sounds great (Even with a turbo and gas!)
goes fast - witnessed by 11sec LS1's with minimal investment.

See youse all...

[dominik]

To me, "rice" is purely a look - usually accompanied by a "sound/s" all of which are covered on previous posts"

Lowered, big chrome wheels that look like mutant boat propellas, 3, 4, 5 or 6" exhaust that rats and cats live in when the engine is off, noise usually heard during methane dispensing (faaaarrrrrt), blow off noise (pssssshhhhhhttt), big wing, wierd aero body kits, paid for "sponsors" stickers, drivers with caps on backwards sitting so low in the seats there eyes are level with the bottom of the window.....etc).That's my definition too. I've done my fair share of bagging rice and it's never had anything to do with the brand of the car. It's always about the ricey bits added to them that look tacky and offer no performance gains.

To be fair, as a few others have gone out on a limb and pointed out, "rice" isn't just part of a 4-6 cylinder culture. I've seen my fair share of older Commodores and Falcons that have received the rice treatment and it's not any prettier.

The new models have some elements that could be called "rice" too. Don't get me wrong, I like the VZ scoops (IMHO they look better on the HSV GTO... I still prefer the Monaro with a regular bonnet), but if we're going to be fair it's worth pointing out that they serve no real purpose at all since most owners are probably keeping them closed and they were added purely for aesthetic reasons to please nostalgic GTO buyers. I'd have preferred to see something like the Evo VI/VII vents on the Monaro for heat dissipation if something had to be added or an XR8 or M3 style bonnet bulge which looks muscular enough to me. As for Ford, the wings on the FPVs aren't far off the STi's for sheer size. Is this (http://www.czechferrari.cz/obrdesign03/des14small.jpg) what their designers had in mind? ;) And while it may look like rice and quite ugly to some, at least the WRX's bug catcher is a critical part of the car's design.

So even though it's in a far more subtle way, like a few aspects of recent HSV bodykits, "rice", if we're going to be consistent with the way we interpret it, is increasingly becoming a part of local V8 designs as well.

[NinetySix]

good post gmh308


ive got a mate with a HX/HZ prem wagon with a lethargic 253 on gas... and it has twin 3" exhaust tips on the twin 2" system it has... to which i call "RICE!" :lol: to which they scratch their heads... but then they see a standard skyline and go spastic calling "rice rice rice!!!" :rolleyes:

[seldo]

RICE = Ridiculous Idiotic Crappy Extras ;)

[all4ford]

RICE = Ridiculous Idiotic Crappy Extras ;)
I like this definition.

[ls1ozstyle]

American Graffiti covers those cultural roots (where were you in '62?), Fast and Furious is a modern day version of American Graffiti.




Yeah very true, the modified car scene has changed alot over the years but it really hasn't changed at all, if you get my drift. American Graffiti is a great old movie too :driving:





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[seano14]

You see young guys 17-22 yr olds in there skylines, wrxs, soarers and what not. Ask them what they have done to there car.

"Oh ive got a pod filter, exaust and computer, and it makes 600HP and runs 10s"

just question why their car doesnt get 9's already. and suggest "it's you're fuel man, it's got a nasty hole. That's why you're unloading in 3rd. Fix that and you'll be running 9's " :lol:

[lumina ss]

Theres 2 ways to look at this either the "young" person is independant and does and drives what he or she wants , in which case the darwin principle kicks in, Wa$kers die and unfortunately so do a few bistanders,and you cant do a damn thing about it.
Then theres parental responability, if little johny lives at home and dad lets him step into something potentially dangerous then the darwin principle kicks in even harder you get dead people and people to blame as well.
Would I let my 19 year old on the road in a high power v8 or ricer, not willingly I dont want a phone call at three in the morning, I consider it child abuse by negligence.

[Red CV8 R]

You guys need to remember that not all Parents know about cars, my parents for example know stuff all about cars let alone what is fast and what is not. Still they raised me with a certain level of responsbility so luckily I havent ened up as a spot on the road despite owning all turbo and V8 powered cars since i was 17. In the end the individual has to take responsability for their own actions.

[Merlin]

Theres 2 ways to look at this either the "young" person is independant and does and drives what he or she wants , in which case the darwin principle kicks in, Wa$kers die and unfortunately so do a few bistanders,and you cant do a damn thing about it.
Then theres parental responability, if little johny lives at home and dad lets him step into something potentially dangerous then the darwin principle kicks in even harder you get dead people and people to blame as well.
Would I let my 19 year old on the road in a high power v8 or ricer, not willingly I dont want a phone call at three in the morning, I consider it child abuse by negligence.

Ahh isnt this thread about rice? :confused:

[gmh308]

Well it was about rice.....maybe the world is lucky rice does mostly not mean a lot of power and is more of a "look/sound", too much power for too much rice may be natures way of ending some bloodlines.

[Tron2004]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!!!!

Next time you see one of them, just be grateful that you have the intelligence to drive an ls1 powered car

Variety is the spice of life. Life would be bloody booring if every car on the road was a ls1 powered commodore
This is true, but I don't know about you but EVERYONE I have pulled up alongside at the lights driving a rex or skyline have this look on their dials that nothing is gonna beat em!! jasonrouse is right... it's all about attitude.

What amazes me is the number of turbo'd cars on the road today. It's sorta like the standard these days.

[Tron2004]

harleys look like a hat full of arseholes, or at best a bucket of smashed crabs :lol: and the noise is just offencive... IMO a duke or jap twin sounds much better...
I think it's time you got some glasses and cleaned the wax build up in yer ears.
I have owned a jap bike, a Harley and a Ducati 750 and IMHO, it was the jap bike that looked and sounded like the hat / ahole / crabs thingy!

Still... to each their own.

[vuster]

I had a late model 200sx which I recently sold as I am in the market for a large aussie v8. I put a cat back exhaust on it not for looks but it did actually perform much better than normal. I am not prejudice to people who drive V8's or jap 4 boxes however I believe that the majority of idiots are those who drive the old models in which they can only afford. There are just as many idiots in old model commodores as there are in jap cars. I usually laugh and think these guys are idiots on the roads but then I start thinking that they are just young and it's easy for them to get caught up in this sort of stuff. I laugh at lancers with bodykits and zorts on but you can understand that they don't have the cash to buy ls1's.

[dominik]

I laugh at lancers with bodykits and zorts on but you can understand that they don't have the cash to buy ls1's.True, but as someone else said, it's more about the attitude. Putting a giant rice cannon on the Lancer doesn't make it go any faster. They still splutter from 0 to 100 in the high 9s. I mean, what's the point? Who are they fooling? Why not just leave it stock for a few years while you save up for a real performance car instead of pretending it's a sports car by adding the ricey bells and whistles.

It's like fake Rolexes and those fake Louis Vutton bags every woman wants. Sure they'll fool a few people into thinking you're loaded but those in the know will pick the fakes a mile away and think you're a joke. Why not wear a Seiko or whatever until you can afford the Swiss watch you've always wanted? That's my take on it.

If I want an Evo but can't afford one I'm not going to dress up a Lancer in an Evo bodykit and pretend it's an Evo... I'll just wait until I can afford an Evo, either new or used. I mean it's possible to make a V6 Commodore look like a GTS with the bodykit and badges but who are you fooling? Why not just do up the V6 and make it something unique or leave it stock? It all comes down to attitude. Some people just like to bullshit everyone and live in a fantasy world. The definition of rice fits into that somewhere.

[VX2VESS]

From http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12172140-29277,00.html

Two men were arrested after they allegedly attacked police trying to establish a crime scene at an industrial estate in Strathfield in Sydney's west.
A Datsun sedan was travelling down Madeline Street just before midnight (AEDT) last night when it collided with a parked Nissan Pulsar, a New South Wales police spokesman said.

"This vehicle veered onto the incorrect side of the road and collided with a parked Nissan Pulsar," he said on 2UE radio.

"At the time there were numerous spectators at the intersection and the force of impact forced the vehicle onto the spectators, with ten people receiving numerous injuries."

The 10 people were taken to several metropolitan hospitals with injuries ranging from cuts and bruises to one suspected case of spinal injury, the spokesman said.

He said it appeared the crowd of about 60 had gathered to watch an illegal drag race.

"We haven't established it yet but it's leaning towards ... street racing," he said.

Two men in the crowd were arrested after assaulting police officers who were trying to gather information about the crash.

[Martin_D]

I mean it's possible to make a V6 Commodore look like a GTS with the bodykit and badges but who are you fooling? Why not just do up the V6 and make it something unique or leave it stock?

Thats rice too, and every bit as bad as the clear tail lights and drain pipe exhausts on the Lancers. The point being missed here is that the four cylinder scene is its own unique sub-culture, and amongst the cars that are picked as rice are some really nicely built and modified cars as well. Stuff that would just blow your mind.

I should know, I write for Hot4s (first magazine I ever got a gig with over ten years ago now!), and find it a really enjoyable part of my job. So there you go!

[all4ford]

Thats rice too, and every bit as bad as the clear tail lights and drain pipe exhausts on the Lancers. The point being missed here is that the four cylinder scene is its own unique sub-culture, and amongst the cars that are picked as rice are some really nicely built and modified cars as well. Stuff that would just blow your mind.

Agree 100%!

[msfyter]

In the Us we just ignore them. what matters is at the track. All the ricers ive seen run 17's and 18 second quarter miles. A few WRX's have dipped into low 14's. but with a lot of money spent. Its the parts producers who are fueling all the crazy with cheap junk parts painted every color of the rainbow. Ive always have been a v8 man and always will be.

[PepeLePew]

One thing that interests me in the fake GTS crew, is they seldom remove the V6 badges. I respect that. Why not have a better looking V6 if thats all you want?

Its hard on this forum with so many people hung up about performance to justify a dressed car sans performance mods. But I see my missus with her Ricey Lancer happy as hell, and I understand more why people will do it.

Not everybody CARES about qtr mile times, or 0-100 times. Or how big their appendage is with respect to others. What they want is something THEY think looks smart/cool whatever, and its their money. My missus' car wouldnt pull the foreskin off a newborn, but she loves the thing to death. NOT to fool people into thinking shes driving something shes not, just so she can be a little individual and not have to look at a car that looks like crap everyday.

Similarly, I modify my SS significantly to make ME happy. Not to run your car down on the qtr, and not to have lightly hung teenagers drooling over the idle at the traffic lights. I just enjoy driving it more. What the hell would I want to spend my money on you for, or something as useless as my ego? Its all perspective.

I bet the anti-rice brigade are less inclined to look down on a car when a female is driving it also, rice cannon or not. This IS about appendages in many cases.

[vuster]

One thing that interests me in the fake GTS crew, is they seldom remove the V6 badges. I respect that. Why not have a better looking V6 if thats all you want?

Its hard on this forum with so many people hung up about performance to justify a dressed car sans performance mods. But I see my missus with her Ricey Lancer happy as hell, and I understand more why people will do it.

Not everybody CARES about qtr mile times, or 0-100 times. Or how big their appendage is with respect to others. What they want is something THEY think looks smart/cool whatever, and its their money. My missus' car wouldnt pull the foreskin off a newborn, but she loves the thing to death. NOT to fool people into thinking shes driving something shes not, just so she can be a little individual and not have to look at a car that looks like crap everyday.

Similarly, I modify my SS significantly to make ME happy. Not to run your car down on the qtr, and not to have lightly hung teenagers drooling over the idle at the traffic lights. I just enjoy driving it more. What the hell would I want to spend my money on you for, or something as useless as my ego? Its all perspective.

I bet the anti-rice brigade are less inclined to look down on a car when a female is driving it also, rice cannon or not. This IS about appendages in many cases.

Well said Pepe and totally agree with all your points. Everyone is different.

[dominik]

One thing that interests me in the fake GTS crew, is they seldom remove the V6 badges. I respect that. Why not have a better looking V6 if thats all you want?I have no problem at all with that. Bodykit is fine. Fake badges are not. There are a few Skylines getting around pulling this trick and to the untrained eye "there goes a GTR!" Do I have a problem with it? Well, I don't lose any sleep over it but I'd feel ashamed to drive a car with badges that did not belong on my car. This is the worst aspect of the rice scene I believe. Just my opinion.


Not everybody CARES about qtr mile times, or 0-100 times. Or how big their appendage is with respect to others. What they want is something THEY think looks smart/cool whatever, and its their money. My missus' car wouldnt pull the foreskin off a newborn, but she loves the thing to death. NOT to fool people into thinking shes driving something shes not, just so she can be a little individual and not have to look at a car that looks like crap everyday.

Similarly, I modify my SS significantly to make ME happy. Not to run your car down on the qtr, and not to have lightly hung teenagers drooling over the idle at the traffic lights. I just enjoy driving it more. What the hell would I want to spend my money on you for, or something as useless as my ego? Its all perspective.You don't care about 0-100 times, etc. but I do and I know I'm not alone. I have in no way suggested it's the be-all and end-all. Each to his own. If someone wants to drive a slow car I have no problem with it at all. But if they take that slow car and dress it up to be a faster car (think Evo kits and stickers on Lancers), well I really don't see the point to it. As for giant wings and other stuff, I do find it mildly amusing and I'll continue to. Why do most ricers believe bigger is always better? Bigger exhaust, bigger wing, bigger spacecraft like bodykits, more gauges on the dash...


I bet the anti-rice brigade are less inclined to look down on a car when a female is driving it also, rice cannon or not. This IS about appendages in many cases.Maybe you've touched on something here... women driving rice, is it okay then? Maybe this all gets to the core of what separates the men from the boys so to speak. Most women I've met know almost nothing about what goes on under the hood of a car and couldn't care less about performance. If it looks good and goes alright, they love it. But guys, traditionally, do care, and performance is at the heart of their obsession with cars.

It just got me thinking... put a little 4cyl or 6cyl engine in something that resembles a Ferrari convertible, and women will go crazy over them. Most guys won't touch the thing unless it's got a V8 or V12 like a Ferrari should. This is why women don't mind rice. They don't mind it because it fits in with the way a lot of them think when it comes to choosing a car. Looks is everything and rice is all about looks (often ridiculous) and no substance.

It's also why guys love cars shaped like aerodynamics were a big factor in their design, whereas a lot of women are happy to drive cars shaped like a bubble.

[dominik]

Women rev up over motor show (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12172325-421,00.html)

"Girls have a lot of disposable income these days," he said. "Look at all the money they spend on make-up and shoes – they need a car to complete the look."

For Ruth Perez, 19, the highlight was a ride in the hot pink Holden Torana TT36 – a revamped Australian classic.

"It's to die for," she said. "If I won lotto, this is the first thing I'd buy."

That says it all. Looks. It's no surprise that a lot of women dig rice. Fortunately not every car these days was designed with women in mind. And this ain't some sexist rant... I just see a connection with women and rice.

[clixanup]

I just see a connection with women and rice.

Kitchens maybe... :lol: :hide:

[Grif]

Does that mean guys could be considered rice? I know for a fact most if not all red blooded aussie males would go for a girls looks on first shot. Stupid size rear wing, or insanly large breasts. Deep blue eyes that glint like diamonds, or a pearl paint job. And of course both with a nutter body kit! :D

Now i cant deny the fact even if the girl doesnt have the performance per say, but if shes got some nice looks, i aint complaining. :thumbsup:

(unless we are talking marriage here!)

[dominik]

Does that mean guys could be considered rice? I know for a fact most if not all red blooded aussie males would go for a girls looks on first shot. Stupid size rear wing, or insanly large breasts. Deep blue eyes that glint like diamonds, or a pearl paint job. And of course both with a nutter body kit! :D

Now i cant deny the fact even if the girl doesnt have the performance per say, but if shes got some nice looks, i aint complaining. :thumbsup:

(unless we are talking marriage here!)Yes, yes, and yes. Most of us switch off our brains when shopping for a woman. Nice observation :)

[Kingyvl]

I am a member of www.#################### and this sort of discussion comes up 4-5 times per year.

And there is really only 1 reply "each to there own".

This guy likes this, this guy likes that, or that chick has done this.

It really deosn't matter alsong as you are happy with what you have achieved. (wheather you did it yourself or workshop)

In regards to these young car enthusiasts who claim they have all this hp, I would doubt that they have ever taken there car on a dyno! Or even a G-tech for that matter. What they have done is just got they stock power figure add "X" many hp for this mod and some more for the next.

Which I can see would really piss people off, but easy to fix.
Just walk away and don't give a stuff what they say, let them think they have all this power but at the end of the day they are just kidding themselves.

You have to be realistic when modifying (sp) a car cos serious things can go wrong and they will cost alot of money to fix.

I went down the road of modifying my vl turbo as a hobby, it then led to the game of more boost. It is a drug, a very addictive 1.

And to tell you the truth I don't even use all the power it makes, the only time I flick the high boost switch is on the dyno for tuning and a power figure. And at the drag strip.

And thats another thing...all this bloody street racing......ffs go to a drag strip and do it there so you don't kill yourselves!


what a rant that was from a new member.......lol


Each to there own!

[FNQracing]

Yes, yes, and yes. Most of us switch off our brains when shopping for a woman. Nice observation :)


GOLD, pure GOLD!.... Never a truer word spoken! :cool:

[Boosted]

G'day people..... Yep, this is my first post. There have been many valid points put foward in this discussion..... I agree with *most* of them. I do sometimes have a chuckle to myself if i do see a riced up shopping cart from time to time... but it's thier, and i suppose it's thier right to do what ever they want to it, (with in the confines of the law of course) As a WRX owner myself, and being an avid turbo charged car enthusiast, i must comment that even though alot of people do speak alot of crap about thier cars, in no way should it affect the educated car enthusiast... Let em talk thier crap... it doesn't really matter. It's not only the turbo charged "hair-dryer" owners that may talk dribble, i have been in many a debate with mates, collegues etc etc whom also don't know what they are talking about when it comes to N/A 6's & 8's aswell (especially holden because just about all of my mates are loyal to Holden)

An an ex Holden owner (VL Calias Turbo, series 2: RB30, Garett Turbo etc etc @ 270kwrw I will always respect the Commies....

The true enthusiast respects all types of cars, thier potential and their design.

BTW, nicely set out site

PS: Well done to Roarz, red SS yesterday at the APC dyno day, 650+ HP at the rear wheels and as quiet as a mouse fart !!

[dominik]

Boosted, have you read the latest copy of Motor? As a Rex fan you'd get a real kick out of the Kia Rio w/ "Sports Pac" / STi article. I'll scan a photo for you. If you get a chance, pick up a copy and have a read. Funny stuff.

Kia Rio with "Sports Pac" meets the Subaru STi (http://brisbanemotorshow2005.50megs.com/kia.html)

[myles]

Kia....Rio.....

All that comes to mind is 'what a piece of crap'. I wouldn't piss on it if it were flaming.

[NinetySix]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:rolleyes:

never realised the likeness they share as it stands...

did somebody just tack that scoop on to the bonnet or is that part of the sports pack???

[dominik]

Man, how out of touch am I with cutting edge Korean technology??? Apparently the Kia "Sports Pac" creation has been around for over 18 months now. Old news but none the less entertaining.

Rio goes for Rex (http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,6729085%255E21825,00.html)

Some highlights:

"The sporty Rio runs the regular 71kW 1.5-litre engine and takes 15 seconds to go from 0-100km/h."

By comparison, the $55,130 four-wheel-drive turbo WRX STi that it mimics has 195kW and can dash from 0-100km/h in 5.5 seconds.

Subaru spokesman David Rowley says: "We are confident that people will be able to distinguish between this car and the WRX. For a start, there is a slight difference in the acceleration figures.

"All I can say is that imitation is a serious form of flattery."

Kia says it did not intend to model its Sport-Pac on the Subaru WRX. Kia spokesman Edward Rowe says: "It's just a coincidence."

Kia is confident the Sport-Pac will be popular with young people who want a car that looks fast but who can't afford to buy or maintain a car such as a WRX or a Lancer EVO.

"This conversion won't affect people's insurance premiums and that is quite important for people who are 25," Rowe says.

"It is also very affordable."

Anyone seen one of these Korean rockets in "Rally Blue Mica" out on the street? I'm looking forward to their WRC debut :rolleyes:

[dominik]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:rolleyes:

never realised the likeness they share as it stands...

did somebody just tack that scoop on to the bonnet or is that part of the sports pack???Ninetysix, it's apparently all part of the dealer-fitted Kia rocket launcher pack.

"Although Kia doesn't have a rally program, it has a colour called Rally Blue Mica, which is the hue chosen for the Rio sedan in this guise . . . it's the beginning of the flattery for Subaru but by no means the end.

The dealer-fitted Sport-Pac adds 15x6-inch gold ROH Strada alloy wheels that look an awful lot like the STi rims, wearing 195/50 Bridgestone Potenza tyres."

Hey, if you're gonna sprint to 100 in 15 seconds, why not do it in style, eh? :cool:

[Danv8]

[QUOTE=dominik]Man, how out of touch am I with cutting edge Korean technology??? Apparently the Kia "Sports Pac" creation has been around for over 18 months now. Old news but none the less entertaining.

Rio goes for Rex (http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,6729085%255E21825,00.html)

Some highlights:

[font='times new roman']"The sporty Rio runs the regular 71kW 1.5-litre engine and takes 15 seconds to go from 0-100km/h."

:lol: 15 sec 0-100 :lol: :lol: :lol: oh thats mint.

[Merlin]

[QUOTE=dominik]Man, how out of touch am I with cutting edge Korean technology??? Apparently the Kia "Sports Pac" creation has been around for over 18 months now. Old news but none the less entertaining.

Rio goes for Rex (http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,6729085%255E21825,00.html)

Some highlights:

[font='times new roman']"The sporty Rio runs the regular 71kW 1.5-litre engine and takes 15 seconds to go from 0-100km/h."

:lol: 15 sec 0-100 :lol: :lol: :lol: oh thats mint.

The funny thing is, if you read the MOTOR article, they take the cars around some country hick town and everyone they speak to prefers the Kia over the WRX :bash:

They even spoke to the owner of the Kia who said he has fitted a sports exhaust and the car gives "V8's a run for there money through the mountains" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some people have no freaken idea :eek:

[Danv8]

The funny thing is, if you read the MOTOR article, they take the cars around some country hick town and everyone they speak to prefers the Kia over the WRX :bash:

They even spoke to the owner of the Kia who said he has fitted a sports exhaust and the car gives "V8's a run for there money through the mountains" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some people have no freaken idea :eek:


Amazing isn't it a fully loaded B-double would give it a run for its money. :lol: I saw a pink yes "pink" hyundai excel riced to buggery with a sticker on the back window V8 eater. Yeah them drum brakes in the back look real good with 19 inchers. :lol: Its amusing on how much people spend on rice rubbish when you can use the money to get some go out of their cars. Yould never hear a ricer playing AC/DC in their doof door mobiles. :lol:

[dominik]

The funny thing is, if you read the MOTOR article, they take the cars around some country hick town and everyone they speak to prefers the Kia over the WRX :bash:

They even spoke to the owner of the Kia who said he has fitted a sports exhaust and the car gives "V8's a run for there money through the mountains" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some people have no freaken idea :eek:I like the bit where the Kia Sports Pac owner takes the STi for a spin and returns with "That...ah... that's frightening." Must have been a big shock accelerating 3 times faster with awd, Brembos, and decent suspension on the twisties. A non-functional hood scoop and useless rear wing helped move the thing out the dealer's door but unfortunately for him didn't move it any faster after that :)

[XLR8 V8]

Kia says it did not intend to model its Sport-Pac on the Subaru WRX. Kia spokesman Edward Rowe says: "It's just a coincidence."


Do they actually expect people to believe that? :rolleyes:
Seeing the 2 cars side by side in the magazine article, it's obvious the Kia designers entire toolkit consisted of:
1 x sharp HB pencil
1 x photo of WRX STi
1 x sheet of tracing paper :lol:

[dominik]

Do they actually expect people to believe that? :rolleyes:
Seeing the 2 cars side by side in the magazine article, it's obvious the Kia designers entire toolkit consisted of:
1 x sharp HB pencil
1 x photo of WRX STi
1 x sheet of tracing paper :lol::lol: I love that "it's just a coincidence" comment from Kia. By all rights Subaru could take legal action because the trusty HB and tracing paper definitely got a work out (that dummy hood scoop and the "Rally Blue Mica" paint is the icing on the cake) but I think the 10 second acceleration buffer between the two cars probably convinced them to just laugh it off.

[Boosted]

Do they actually expect people to believe that? :rolleyes:
Seeing the 2 cars side by side in the magazine article, it's obvious the Kia designers entire toolkit consisted of:
1 x sharp HB pencil
1 x photo of WRX STi
1 x sheet of tracing paper :lol:

agreed..... Right down to the tyre choice as well as the paint name similarities...

And as for that saying, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...... hmmm... in this case it could almost be insult.....

[ss-gt]

The best statement by far from that article is....

"Any takers at the lights?"
"Oh yeah. It does a fair few of 'em, too." "You've just got to know how to drive it"


:bash:

Who could you possibly take from the lights in a car that takes 15 seconds from 0-100. My old 1978 sigma would beat the thing. I gave one a go in my au lets just say I thought my car was slow until I went against the rio.

On another note im 20 just about to finish uni this year was looking along the lines of clubbie/gt but now thinking of getting an evo :bash: Though a job is required first :(

Another new evo is out at the end of the year... 9, has some power upgrades but so far looks like nothing exciting. Also heard they will be importing as many as they can rather then their current 100 a year only.

[Boosted]

The best statement by far from that article is....

"Any takers at the lights?"
"Oh yeah. It does a fair few of 'em, too." "You've just got to know how to drive it"


:bash:

Who could you possibly take from the lights in a car that takes 15 seconds from 0-100. My old 1978 sigma would beat the thing. I gave one a go in my au lets just say I thought my car was slow until I went against the rio.

On another note im 20 just about to finish uni this year was looking along the lines of clubbie/gt but now thinking of getting an evo :bash: Though a job is required first :(

Another new evo is out at the end of the year... 9, has some power upgrades but so far looks like nothing exciting. Also heard they will be importing as many as they can rather then their current 100 a year only.


I'm pretty sure it will still sport just under the 200 kw mark, but it will have improved interior (better than the standard tacky mitsu build quality), and small tweaks....

As for the Kia Rio Sports.. i'm yet to see one with a wrx copy kit around the north side of brissie

[myles]

I can't wait to see a Kia Rio rally blue driving around. I won't race it (not that I'd stand a chance, it does many V8s!), I'd rather pull up next to it, follow it around for 20 mins just to laugh at it. :lol:

See if it can 'get away'. :lol:

[dominik]

I can't wait to see a Kia Rio rally blue driving around. I won't race it (not that I'd stand a chance, it does many V8s!), I'd rather pull up next to it, follow it around for 20 mins just to laugh at it. :lol:

See if it can 'get away'. :lol:You're a mean bastard Myles :) I wonder how it'd run with a turbo or a nitrous kit? Wouldn't that surprise you?

"It does a fair few of 'em, too." He must have meant other Kias. The 16 second ones :rolleyes:

ss-gt, I've been for a test drive in an older 5-speed Evo6 and that was a lot of fun. I doubt an Evo8 would be that much better and output is the same. What do the used VI's go for these days? In black without all the ricey stickers etc., with a few tweaks in the budget, might be worth considering. Sure it wouldn't look all that different to the legion of Lancer Evo clones but it sure wouldn't drive like them :)

[TheRogue]

I've always luved the rumble of a V8 on WOT.

5 years ago I bought a VS 5ltr 5 speed, did the usual cam, 3.5" exhaust, extractors, ecu etc.
It made decent power and had a real nice sound.

I have to admit as soon as the power was up a little the diff, gearbox & rear IRS subframe didn't hold up. All breaking and costing me quite a few $$.

I decided enough was enough of factory work so I decided to sell the VS and buy some thing a little cheaper that I could afford to run at Uni.
After a LOT of research I settled on what I thought was a bit of an Ugly looking car.

The R32 GTS-T. From what I could gather it did have quite a bit of potential, was good on fuel (factory specs state 10.5L/100km's), diffs and gearbox's are rather strong.

So I layed my money on the line and bought a dead stock R32 GTST.

Within 3years and 100,000km's the only parts that have broke are,
Radiator top tank $90, clutch master cyl. $75.
Its a damn reliable car.

I spent a little on the stock motor and had an exhaust & intercooler fitted.
Raised boost up to 1bar via a bodgy wastegate actuator mod and before long it was running 0-100 in 5.2secs and the 1/4 in 13.7.

It did that for ~2years when I decided to build a motor that uses the RB30 bottom end with a set of forged pistons, rb25 head that had been ported/polished, inlet valves deshrouded, port matched.
All up with my doing the remove/install it cost me $6000.

The turbo has since cost me $1880, wastegate $650 and powerfc $1100.

The turbo's is a GT35R .82 exhaust a/r that is rated to around 620hp.
I will be happy with 300rwkw at the wheels and no doubt it will make it fairly easy. It is still currently being run in so only time will tell. Hopefully it will run in the 12's. I don't plan on running slicks, just the usual 255 street tyres.

Working Holiday money is all I have.

I'm not one for wasting money on ricey body kits or lights and crap.

My point is I come across just as many Commodore young blokes that crap on how much power their car makes. People like this are everywhere.

One observation is generally the nerdy chicken wing dudes tend to own the imports. :P

[VX SS S2]

... i think that the turbo vs. V8 wars are stupid... real happiness lies in being a car enthusiast...

the best car i have driven hard on a drive day around some twistys near where i live was in a '91 Silvia with 200rwk...(also a very light car with amazing brakes)... however,

as an everyday car with grunt-a-plenty and a smooth ride with a nice note... i have a VX SS...

yet the best car in terms of handling and just a fun day was in a BMW 330ci convertible....

there's not doubt there are people who are total idiots in their Lancers who think a 5' chrome tip makes it go as fast as it sounds crap...

but you also get people who think cubes = victory every time...

[TheRogue]

I agree. :D

I think the ultimate is V8 (lots of cubes) + forced induction. :D

Once day. Once I get this Uni course out the road.

But for the twisties.. I nicely balanced S15.

[V8ERUS]

Hey blokes

Just an addition to the whole "what's wrong with teenager's these days" thread.
There is this 19 year old here at work, first he bought a Mitsubishi Colt, wasted $3000 on a stereo (mind you downloaded a WRX revving it up wave file, and actually played this up loud whilst he was driving around doing laps), and then just strapped on a Ford Laser Turbo (no mods to engine), big exhaust, and had it lowered, then he finds more rust in it, no sooner had that happened, he has found a 1984 Mitsubishi Cordia from this wrecker/car yard. Wrecker/Car yard want's $4000 for it ($3000 too much in my books), he get's a trade of $2500 on the colt (which I think he was fortunate to get). Now the Tool is going to waste more money on dropping in one of those VR4 2L DOHC motors (brand new from Mitsubishi mind you - yeah right :lol: ), has spent $800 on exhaust/drivetrain for it to be ready for the power output from a....get this.....30psi turbocharger bolted on :rolleyes: , no engine mods to the "brand new" 2L motor, no mention of brake upgrades or tyre/wheel upgrades mind you in all of this. These people are the fools that make it dangerous, old cars modded up without thinking of all the posibilities that might happen. Also he is a tool for listening to his Ricer mates who obviously feed him unrealistic information on power outputs. I doubt if he will get insurance anyway. He would have been better off going out and buying a secondhand WRX with 160k on the clock for $15k I reckon, least it would be safer with AWD and better handling than that old POS.
At the moment this cordia is spitting out 135rwkW running on 15psi boost....yeah right.
Just thought I would drop this story in, it is typical of the people mentioned in that other Ricer thread.

[amckiwi]

Was much safer in my day we put 3L V6's into Mark 1 Cortinas
Put shackles on the back to lift them to get wheels fitted.
Cannot remember exactly how old we were but licences could be had at 15 then.
This guy is not reinventing the wheel I kind of recognise myself a little in him

[a9x_hatch]

i dont see why any teenagers own these stupid little turbo's if they where sensible they would save the money their spending trying to get an extra 5kw out of their turbo and buy a v8 they would probably save $1500 a year on insurance to start with. dont put shit on all teens though theirs still a few decent ones out their to carry on the holden v8 legend take me for example im building a 1976 lx ss torana hatchback fitted with an ls1 gen3 (should be good for around 520hp-530hp@flywheel) it costs a fortune but it's all worth it in the long run (or the short 1/4 mile run)

[Tron2004]

but you also get people who think cubes = victory every time...
Doesn't it????? :D

[Quen10]

Im avid V8 fan since i was a kid and ive been to a few "Hair Dryer" car shows.
The reason I hate turbocharged cars is not because of the cars, but because of 90% of the owners. The owners turn me off the car.

You see young guys 17-22 yr olds in there skylines, wrxs, soarers and what not. Ask them what they have done to there car.

"Oh ive got a pod filter, exaust and computer, and it makes 600HP and runs 10s"

That is what anoys me...... Its the bullshit they talk. You mention to them.... are you sure these few mods bring it upto 600HP? Yeah ive had it dynoed and soon im getting nos!!! it should be good for 9s then.. (remeber these are stock cars with minimal bolt ons)

This angers me.... and when you start getting technical with them explaining that the stock car makes 200HP and the mods they got can only possibly bring it to 250.... they start saying "But on the fast and the furious they did this and that ect ect......"

AHHHHH so this is where there getting there tech knowledge from... i believe thats why so many of the young people talk so much crap and drive these cheesy coloured, lego city, buzzing pain in the asses. There getting there technical knowledge from a movie. I personally believe that the fast and the furious has destroyed the car scene.

What happend to the days when people spent hours working on there own car.... spraying, building ect.... that is what i class as a street machine. not a ****ing skyline that has been taken down to a shop and had a bodykit fitted.

why am i so angrey for you ask..... because my 19 yr old next door neigbour has a stock 97 wrx with an exaust. And he gets angrey at me for not believing he ran a 11.0 flat at the motorplex. Ask for a time slip you ask... i do.... and he looses em. You tell him an exhaust only adds 15 - 20HP on a WRX and he says "Yeah but it upps the boost by 9 lbs and gives it another 200HP"


anyway is there a point to this??
i dunno.

What has happened to the street machine community where people tell the truth and know what they are talking about?

Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts?

There are two types of males in this world..... Men, and boys

And we all know what kind of cars them Men drive.... i am in an LS1 forum after all.

Well i be blowed.... This is the same dickhead who came onto the MRT forum and talked up his LS1 and bagged th WRX.


rousey
Newbie



Australia
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Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 22:23:12
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raced a white 04 sti down freeway today from 100kph, hahah i dropped it back to 4th (supposed to drop to 3rd for 100kph roll on) and i paced him. once the revs got too 4000 i pulled away like a kid from micheal jackson.

238Rwkw (315Flywheel KW) VX SS Ser II
13.28 @ 107mph on street tyres.

Just one of his posts before he got OWNED. The members on MRT were quite friendly & receptive to him until he started talking absolute dribble.

He calls himself a man , i doubt he even has a license to own a car . I feel sorry for you other mature LS1 members who bag others like this guy has.

By the way i like all cars

[subarudude]

Originally posted by jasonrouse
anyway is there a point to this??
i dunno.

How useful. Maybe you should tell us?


Originally posted by jasonrouse
There are two types of males in this world..... Men, and boys
And we all know what kind of cars them Men drive.... i am in an LS1 forum after all.

And these "men" are sensible to drag-race up freeways where someone is quite likely to total you one way or another?


jasonrouse
Why is it you hardly see any real street machines anymore but these girly ricers .... civics with shift lights and guages?? Excels with 5" diameter exhausts?

And all Commodore/Falcon owners are completely exempt from that? haha, bullshit. How many Falcodores do you see with panels of five other cars, made all the more obvious by different colours [B)], thinking they are king shit doing all kinds of stupid things? I've only ever seen three cars drifting on public roads, two Commodores and one falcon, the commons nearly lost it (both of them) and the failcon did lose it.
:bash: :mad:

Goddamn, you are so hypocritical. Yes, i readily recognise that some of the things jasonrouse whinged about do happen/are true, but are largely exagerated and really if you were such a big man with your LS1 consuming half the worlds remaining unleaded, surely it would be beneath you?

[SV99]

I was under the impression Fast and the Furious was a true story......


I tell this to everyone but no one listens. For some odd reason since that movie ricers became cool "in some Peoples" eyes


They think buy having a honda civic with 20in rims, white fake leather and 4in system its going to do 400kph. :lol: :booty:

What happened to all the guys who hotted up Older Fals and Commodores.

Real Muscle Cars.

I still like my V8s :cool:

[SV99]

How useful. Maybe you should tell us?

Goddamn, you are so hypocritical. Yes, i readily recognise that some of the things jasonrouse whinged about do happen/are true, but are largely exagerated and really if you were such a big man with your LS1 consuming half the worlds remaining unleaded, surely it would be beneath you?


Being from newcastle im sure you will see all the bullshit that carries on,

and how the Ricer Boys "lap" the foreshore !!!!

[subarudude]

Yep, the foreshore is like a car exhibition on sat & sunday afternoons. So is George St in Sydney at midnight... that was surprising.

I hate newcastle. Sucks.

[SV99]

The main thing that annoys me is. If i decide to goto the beach or take the gf for dinner in the top of town we cant go that way.

1. there has been an acident because some tool is on the phone and doing a burnout and has hit a car or person.

2. they think its cool to hold up traffic.

3. the police have blocked one lane to stop burnouts.



:mad:

[SSFreak]

I like all sorts of cars regardless of the make. However, I still prefer V8s. Whether they're the quickest thing on the road or not I don't really care.

I don't like generalising but, although I have seen idiots in all sorts of cars, the majority of them have been in Skylines. Nothing wrong with the car, just a few of the "drivers" (I'm applying that term loosely in this instance).

I was driving along minding my own business on the weekend when some idiot driving a Skyline spotted me and decided it was time to be a menace. He sped up and then tailgated me for the next couple of kilometres.

Going through a roundabout in the right lane I passed some slow cars that were in the left lane. Boy racer tries to overtake me on the left but runs out of lane. He tailgates me to the next roundabout where I pass a couple of more cars that were in the left lane. Getting sick of this tailgater, I decide to give it a bit more juice coming out of the roundabout. I have just enough time to safely get past a car that is in the left lane before it becomes one lane.

Boy racer decides that other traffic is irrelevant and tailgates me so close I'm getting worried that his car is trying to have sex with mine. He nearly runs the other car off the road because he leaves him no room to merge. Then when it changes back to two lanes he just sits in the left lane parallel to me, looking at me. I swear it looked like he was only just out of nappies.

You know, sometimes you just wish you had a gun. ;) Next time, I'm just going to stop in the middle of the lane until the idiot drives past.

[the big fist]

there are idiots in all types of cars.
I enjoy all types of cars and the majority of my mates have imports AND are putting out the power and times they quote, however they also respect and like v8's. different strokes for different folks. I think it's more the age rather than the car make !

[subarudude]

Rousey, mate, you are so unbelievably full of shit. Get a life, and a brain. Racing people up the F3 then saying you can't tell us the speed. How stupid are you? :bash: :box: Stop licking your ego by doing dangerous shit on the roads, get your license cancelled & trash your car.

[ROGUE]

Group hug :)

http://www.dltk-kids.com/crafts/cartoons/wp_adopt/pic/pooh_hug.gif

[myles]

This has been said a thousand times.

You can pick on any car, make or model if you tend to make an effort to notice it. Skyline, HSV, WRX, SS, XR6T.......right down to the civics and lancers.

It's the moron behind the wheel regardless of the car you have to worry about. Dumb and stupid people drive all sorts of cars.

I haven't got a problem with WRX, Skyline or SS drivers. I find people who take pride in their cars, sure they might give it a bit of stick every now and then, but generally they drive it in a decent manner.

side note- nearly got cleaned up by a young girl driver some sort of crappy hatchback. Wasn't a turbo or a V8. Just a small crapbox with a stupid driver who decided to take a carpark corner at 40ks. Make sense? It's not the car, it's the driver.

[dominik]

This has been said a thousand times.

You can pick on any car, make or model if you tend to make an effort to notice it. Skyline, HSV, WRX, SS, XR6T.......right down to the civics and lancers.

It's the moron behind the wheel regardless of the car you have to worry about. Dumb and stupid people drive all sorts of cars.True, it's not the cars, it's the drivers. Somebody else mentioned it... age is probably the biggest factor in all this. What's the first thing a young guy wants to impress his mates once he's good to go with license in hand? A fast car. Something cheap that's easy to do up. There are two categories there... Jap imports like old Silvias, R32s, 180SXs, etc., and old Commodores (and Falcons) like VK-VNs. The majority of crazy driving I see involves cars that are around 15 years old and are cheap to modify.

All that aside, I just hate seeing a nice Skyline ruined with useless drift wing and 20 stickers. I saw a nice white R33 the other day which looked great except for a giant TRUST sticker on the windscreen (which btw didn't look legal). When they're kept close to stock looking, nice and clean, I can really admire and appreciate them. Just my 2 cents.

[dominik]

Boy racer decides that other traffic is irrelevant and tailgates me so close I'm getting worried that his car is trying to have sex with mine. He nearly runs the other car off the road because he leaves him no room to merge. Then when it changes back to two lanes he just sits in the left lane parallel to me, looking at me. I swear it looked like he was only just out of nappies.Some of those little guys are pretty funny. The ones who try and look all bad ass giving you death stares but seem to be sitting on two phone books and still can hardly see over the dashboard. It must be tough when their car breaks down and they'd have trouble pushing a spare tyre across a street let alone their car :)

[Inter-ceptor]

When they're kept close to stock looking, nice and clean, I can really admire and appreciate them. Just my 2 cents.

But thats boring :p

[dominik]

But thats boring :pEach to his own :) Skylines already look pretty good stock. Bodykit, so long as it's not like something out of Star Trek, for example the GTR style kits look good, some decent rims, lowered, wider tyres on the back say 255s... and spend the rest of the dough on engine mods, stereo, etc. You honestly think the giant drift wing, neon stuff, shopping list stickers, and all that other ricey stuff improves the look?

Wings are the main one for me. Check out how fast they get M3s going on the Autobahn with nothing more than a boot lip. Once you get up near 300kph, I understand the need for all that extra aero stuff like on the V8 supercars, but come on, for the street? It's getting out of control :)

[Inter-ceptor]

Each to his own :) Skylines already look pretty good stock. Bodykit, so long as it's not like something out of Star Trek, for example the GTR style kits look good, some decent rims, lowered, wider tyres on the back say 255s... and spend the rest of the dough on engine mods, stereo, etc. You honestly think the giant drift wing, neon stuff, shopping list stickers, and all that other ricey stuff improves the look?

Wings are the main one for me. Check out how fast they get M3s going on the Autobahn with nothing more than a boot lip. Once you get up near 300kph, I understand the need for all that extra aero stuff like on the V8 supercars, but come on, for the street? It's getting out of control :)
yeah godo point im not a fan of big wings either and some rediculous body kits but some clever neon work is OK :D

[NinetySix]

hmmmm, "drift wing" .... is that where they put a regular wing on upside down, so it makes the rear end nice and light and easy to spin the wheels at speed?

wont help most of the auto n/a silvias out there :lol:



said it before and ill say it again, V6 commodores are by far the most common cars i see being driven stupidly by teenagers. whereas alot of the teenagers out there driving $20-30k cars cant afford to crash them and tend to drive semi-sedately, unless mummy bought it for them..


theres a few storys on the skylinesau forums about tools who were given $60k GTR's for their ~18th and ran them into a bus stop in suburban streets at 120kph ...

[subarudude]

Look, i've seen rousey on the road (F3) and hes a dickhead, pure & simple.

[ROGUE]

Karma has a good way of dealing with dickheads. I'm sure we'll see a post in the not too distant future along the lines of "Got fined for....." or "I crashed into a .....".

What goes around, comes around.

This thread must be due to be locked soon :D

[myles]

Well put Rogue. :)

[Doug]

I can't work out why some people have such a problem with accepting people have different opinions. *shrug*

Anyway, thread "V8's vs all others", version 473, has gone on long enough.