Sams new 383ci Stage 3 Stroker $16,900 inc gst DRIVE IN DRIVE OUT 14 working days

[Justice R8]

Stage 3 package
The Stage 3 package includes the following:

Eagle 4340 Crankshaft
Eagle H-Beam Connecting Rods
Custom Diamond Forged Pistons
ARP Main Stud Kit
ARP Head Bolts/Studs
CNC Ported Cylinder Heads
Stainless Valves 2.02IN 1.6EX
Double Valve Springs
Titanium Retainers
Comp Lifters
Moly Pushrods
Pro Select Ring Set
Clevite 77 Race Bearings (Big ends and Mains)
Rotating Assembly fully Balanced
Engine Blueprinted
Custom Hydaulic Roller Camshaft
Rollmaster Double Row Timing Chain
Reconditioned Oil Pump
Engine Dyno tested and Run In
GM Gaskets
Romac 25% underdriven Balancer
PCM Retuned
550-570 FWHP
500ftlb Torque


$16,900 inc gst Drive in Drive out 14 Working Days.
Phone Sam (02) 9772-3105
Note the above is based you supplying the engine

Extra's needed:
Injectors
Fuel Pump

Optional Intake Manifolds are an added expense
Harrop 8 throttle Bodies POA
Fast Intake Manifold POA

[debencha]

so thats about 6-7k for labour?

[Justice R8]

so thats about 6-7k for labour?

Experience is never cheap ;)

You may want to run your numbers again though. Dont forget what it costs for things like R&R engine, retune PCM, Engine Dyno, CNC Cylinder heads (Good Ones). And dont forget the turn around time. Do some comparisons and you will see that this is great value for money. Make sure when you do a comparison it is drive in drive out no more to pay. There is also the Stage one option which is great value too.

I have just ordered one but I ticked the add $1500 for the 408CI :D

NOTE; All parts are in stock

[Justice R8]

Other options are

393ci add $500

408ci add $1500

[LX346]

Engine dyno's aren't cheap and they are hard to find.
Blue printed engine and all.
This is drive in drive out deal so that includes remove and install of engine.

[motomk]

I have just ordered one but I ticked the add $1500 for the 408CI :D

NOTE; All parts are in stock

What's that going in?

Damn.....Damn.....Damn....Damn!!!!! I am going to have to ban you for spending my money!!!!;)
I thought I was going to have a nice quiet weekend....now my brain is spinning real bad!!!!!!!;)
"Must resist! Must resist! I can do it!"
"No, you can't"
"Yes,I can..."
"No, you can't"

motomk

[HAVUGO]

The 408 is worth every cent,believe me.

[Criso]

Now I am in the shiit for bringing great news. I cant win! :lol:

Its not a hard decision moto :lol:
383ci Stage 1,2 or 3
393ci Stage 1,2 or 3
408ci Stage 1,2 or 3


Wow! There is a few choices. I took the red one.Is there a stage six? i f there is i will take that one :lol: :lol:

[Criso]

so thats about 6-7k for labour? :bash: :box: :booty:

[CSV Strada SiR]

How do you get to 408ci with a larger/longer stroke crank or a differant block?

[Justice R8]

How do you get to 408ci with a larger/longer stroke crank or a differant block?

383 is with Crank and rods
408 is crank rods and block

[LX346]

would be interesting to see an itemised acount..ie stroker kit from pt 3990 higgins h/c package 3990 powerbond balancer 170ect...maffless tune..1000-1500...

Add another $1,500-2,000 on balance and blueprinting alone, it takes days to blueprint and balance an engine correctly.

I think there is more then $1,000-1,500 for the tune, its isnt just a basic MAFLESS stock cam tune.

Don't forget the labour to remove/install engine back in car.

Add another $500-1,000 for engine dyno time and it all starts adding up.

[KeenGolfer]

You'd be bonkers if you didn't pay the extra $1500 for 408ci, the torque of a 408 is awesome. Sounds like a great deal :)

[Criso]

with the quality of machine work theese days and cnc ported heads what blueprinting..as for labour i would sugest about 3 days in out disasemble reasemble.+ tuning+block work..as stated above i would like to see theese costs itemised..
When you book your car in to get this package, and your engine is completed then you will have an itemised bill.. :D .How many can i put you down for ? :cool: :cool: The price is there for genuine customers not thread pickers. I am sorry for being so polite. :)

[SS346]

When you book your car in to get this package, and your engine is completed then you will have an itemised bill.. :D .How many can i put you down for??:cool: :cool: The price is there for genuine customers not thread pickers.I am sorry for being so polite. :)

Thats a bit harsh man, honestly

[vt2vx]

Thats a bit harsh man, honestly

trying to pick holes in the deals, they are good and have a price drive in and out parts listed, get a itemised bill at the end from a proven shop. no need to pick it to bits. :confused:

[Justice R8]

would be interesting to see an itemised acount..ie stroker kit from pt 3990 higgins h/c package 3990 powerbond balancer 170ect...maffless tune..1000-1500...

That covers buying some parts. Does the 3990 head and cam package include titanium retainers, what springs are they? are the double springs? what cam and are they CNC'd. I think that is the price to buy it.

Pull the rest of the parts from the list and do some homework and work it out. You do need to compare apples with apples though.

R and R engine
engine dyno. Call somebody and ask them how much to dyno an engine for you to get an idea
Arp Studs boltsbolts etc etc

If you feel you can get it better elsewhere I think you should. You should maybe do some comparisons on all of these packages against anything else available

[Justice R8]

Thats a bit harsh man, honestly

Circh

You know as well as I do the importance of measuring up an engine. Also what the differences between a hand ported heads for 2k (a light dust up with sandpaper were the words we heard some time ago from a well known person.) against some cnc'd big valve heads (brand new heads, not second hand cores reconditioned)

And machine work? Do you know anybody that has had a bit of crook machining with an engine? My point exactly.



with the quality of machine work theese days and cnc ported heads what blueprinting..as for labour i would sugest about 3 days in out disasemble reasemble.+ tuning+block work..as stated above i would like to see theese costs itemised..

This is a perfect example why you MUST blueprint an engine. Machines are better now then they ever have been but the problem is that they are only as good as the operator. Have a look at our beloved LS1's. Dont you think General Motors had the best of the best equipment but how many engines had Piston slap or oil consumption. A machine is only as good as the weakest link. Ever heard of the term (Friday engine) That is why so much time and effort goes into measuring engines and dummy assembly.

Just looking at this thread and some of the people that are either viewing or responded I know for a fact that a number of them have had these machining problems. Am I right or wrong here guys.

I know I for one have. A great example was a set of heads I had decked like crazy and reco'd. Luckily Sam checked them for me and found that the valve was actually sitting on the aluminium of the head and not the seat. I then had to pay to have them repaired. There are lots of these stories out there it's just people dont post them.

What about piston to bore clearance. Any comments on that one?

And I am looking forward to seeing a few more of the Harrops being fitted and tuned :D

I dont want to drag this thread into a negative. It is a take it or leave it option. That is the price. You either want it or you dont. Judging by the amount of orders for it today as well as enquiries there are quite a few that want it that are real happy with the price.

Seems a few have listened to Drew and Havago in regards to the 408

[motomk]

Please keep it clean folks.
debencha...if you want to know the pricing breakdown phone them up. Not many people put up an all inclusive price especially on the internet so Sams Performance can be commended for that. If you "attack" this thread....why would shops put up other offers to forum members? That is partly the reason why the "For Sale" forum is quarantined through the moderators.

motomk

[LX346]

This is the type of posts why business' hesitate or pull out of forum sponsorship.

An answer for everything, if you can build the same quality engine cheaper and more relibale without blueprinting it then do so, we wanna see.

Some parts are so called "balanced", so if you buy a bottom end kit that is "balanaced" to say within 100 grams, is this a very well balanced bottom end?
But it was CNC'd right? Come on buddy.

You think top fuelers don't balance and blueprint there engines these days because everything is CNC'd? :lol:
CNC has been around for a long time, didn't just appear the last year.

These engines probably get dummy built and stripped 2-3 times before finally engine assembly.

Like said above if your interested ring Sam's Performance, plenty of forum members are more then happy with his work and I have never heard a negative thing about them.



with the quality of machine work theese days and cnc ported heads what blueprinting..as for labour i would sugest about 3 days in out disasemble reasemble.+ tuning+block work..as stated above i would like to see theese costs itemised..

[KeenGolfer]

Seems a few have listened to Drew and Havago in regards to the 408

For those who don't know me, I am one of the very few who would have owned both a 383 and 410 stroker. For me, a 383 whilst a good increase over stock, isn't as big a jump as you might expect if you have the power bug. Trust me on this, spend the extra $1500 for the 408. The difference is HUGE, the 408 will give you amazing throttle response and torque.

[HRT 8]

Like said above if your interested ring Sam's Performance, plenty of forum members are more then happy with his work and I have never heard a negative thing about them.

Here you go then. A negative comment.

They're in Sydney which is too bloody far from here.

[IIV8II]

Maybe go talk to the other Sam at COME in Melb - I think he and Issy do a similar packages (drive-in, drive-out) and have done for years with the 'old' iron horse and now Gen IIIs

Everyone seems to be picking and whinging about titanium widgets and CNC hand jobs - has anyone actually asked for a set of 'figures' like: 400kW/5500rpm, 650Nm/3600rpm 13-second quarters with stock six-speed, 10L/100km etc etc? Surely, you don't give a rats what's really IN an engine - you want a certain level of performance...? :(

[Justice R8]

Maybe go talk to the other Sam at COME in Melb - I think he and Issy do a similar packages (drive-in, drive-out) and have done for years with the 'old' iron horse and now Gen IIIs

Everyone seems to be picking and whinging about titanium widgets and CNC hand jobs - has anyone actually asked for a set of 'figures' like: 400kW/5500rpm, 650Nm/3600rpm 13-second quarters with stock six-speed, 10L/100km etc etc? Surely, you don't give a rats what's really IN an engine - you want a certain level of performance...? :(

Glenn

I believe everybody cares what is in an engine. They are costly when they go bang through component failure or incorrect tolerances. Also parts selection is very important. Look at standard valve springs vs comp on a stock car.

3 1/2 years ago Before there were after market springs for the ls1 I broke 3 valve springs. Cost a fortune each time not to mention R&R cyl heads etc in a motel carpark so I could race the next morning. One set I bought and had fitted that were Special Springs broke the first day they were fitted.
This is why I now use Sam exclusively for my work and he picks the parts I use. Experience counts to me and actually saves me time and money.

The FWHP numbers listed are what I would call a base. Sam has plenty of historical numbers that he could use that far exceed what is listed in each package. Lets wait and see the results as they come in. Cam selection will play a part in that. As we all know everybody has a different use for their car.
A great example is the first stage 1 engine has been done and fitted and run in a Calais daily driver. It is at Sams now so if you are seriously interested drop down and have a ride in it and see what you get for $10,800 drive in drive out. He is there till late so you all have plenty of time. You wont be disappointed.

Glenn
As far as comparisons go put them up. I didnt know of any other Drive in drive out packs around but if you know of them list them. Sam is always happy to stand behind his product. Make sure you compare apples and apples, not apples and oranges.


HRT 8

You know you will make the drive up :D How did my old one go? That was pretty much a stage 2

[Justice R8]

That sounds pretty good!! and 14 days, drive in.... drive out!!!

Craig, why dont you go for something like this? :p

He wants a top door slammer with the economy of stage 1. :lol: That takes a litle more time :D

[SS346]

Girch

You know as well as I do the importance of measuring up an engine. Also what the differences between a hand ported heads for 2k (a light dust up with sandpaper were the words we heard some time ago from a well known person.) against some cnc'd big valve heads (brand new heads, not second hand cores reconditioned)

And machine work? Do you know anybody that has had a bit of crook machining with an engine? My point exactly.


Barren, point taken, my post was just to Criso saying his comments were a bit harsh, thats all, i know that Criso was upset from the comments posted by debencha, i would be too. but no need to swear and carry on, (sh!t, i sound like the moderators :hide: ) there are always going to be critics out there, you know that.

i know what debencha is on about, it's not nice we both know that, let the critics have there say and good luck to them. :)

[SS346]

trying to pick holes in the deals, they are good and have a price drive in and out parts listed, get a itemised bill at the end from a proven shop. no need to pick it to bits. :confused:


Mate, regardless of the itemised bill or whatever, all i bloody said was that was a bit harsh! :rolleyes: what do you give a sh!t for?

let people pick all they want, they are obviously trying to rubbish the competition, i know that.

Remember all i said was that Criso's comments were a lil too harsh, thats it!

[Justice R8]

Mate, regardless of the itemised bill or whatever, all i bloody said was that was a bit harsh! :rolleyes: what do you give a sh!t for?

let people pick all they want, they are obviously trying to rubbish the competition, i know that.

Remember all i said was that Criso's comments were a lil too harsh, thats it!

Relax boys. No bouncing off the rev limiter please. Now all kiss and make up. We all know it is a kick ass package now lets get off the rev limiter before we blow a gasket :lol:

You know me Girch. Its all good

[SLE355]

Ok, maybe a silly question but for those going the 408ci option, is that a new cast block so you can keep/sell your original engine or is the original block bored?

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Experience is never cheap ;)

You may want to run your numbers again though. Dont forget what it costs for things like R&R engine, retune PCM, Engine Dyno, CNC Cylinder heads (Good Ones). And dont forget the turn around time. Do some comparisons and you will see that this is great value for money. Make sure when you do a comparison it is drive in drive out no more to pay. There is also the Stage one option which is great value too.

I have just ordered one but I ticked the add $1500 for the 408CI :D

NOTE; All parts are in stock HI ,is the 408 sleeved or just board with 4 inch crank ?

[debencha]

well i seem to have hit a nerve here and i will refrain from making any further comment...i was just trying to asertain the price of components compared to others .as i will be doing my own eng work..

[Justice R8]

Ok, maybe a silly question but for those going the 408ci option, is that a new cast block so you can keep/sell your original engine or is the original block bored?

new cast block. Timing cover sump etc would still be needed for the new eng.

[Justice R8]

well i seem to have hit a nerve here and i will refrain from making any further comment...i was just trying to asertain the price of components compared to others .as i will be doing my own eng work..


Questions are always good. As far as I know he is not selling it as an unassembled kit so it has no real relevance.

Just went down to the workshop and 3 cars came in today to have strokers built. 2 VY utes and a VY clubby. There must be some value in it.

I wish you the best of luck with your rebuild. I hope it all goes well for you but please do not trust your machinist has done everything you wanted. Even if it is a mate or staff. You cannot be too cautious measuring when you are playing with money like this.

[Justice R8]

HI ,is the 408 sleeved or just board with 4 inch crank ?

The 408 is new CI block or you can supply the Cast iron block yourself.

There is an alloy option 408 but that does add to the cost and is POA

[IIV8II]

Glenn

I believe everybody cares what is in an engine. They are costly when they go bang through component failure or incorrect tolerances. Also parts selection is very important. Look at standard valve springs vs comp on a stock car. etc



Hey, don't get me wrong - I think it's all good! I'm almost tired of reading about: buy the engine, plus optional this, optional that, and oh yeah, you gotta buy a tune with that, too. We've seen that afr too much with blower packages recently - where the advertised price get you sfa. Packages are great - and it makes certification SOO much easier. I was just making a point that people are keen to ask what is inside before they want to know about the actual delivered performance, and I find that kinda odd...
Not everyone wants to know what's IN an engine. I pick up a new super-dooper kill-Commodore engine in a couple of weeks (obviously it's not for my Holden!!) and although I know exactly what's in it, I really don't care. (It's mostly stock stuff assembled to give treble the factory performance - and that's what I'm paying for). Like I've heard/read you say, all I want is a certain level of performance for a certain amount of time for a certain amount of bucks. If I get that, it's money well spent and I'm happy. This package looks like money well spent and yet people are publicly picking holes in it by asking about what widgets and bits are in it.. :eek:

[Justice R8]

Hey, don't get me wrong - I think it's all good! I'm sick of reading about engine, plus optional this, optional that and oh, yeah, you gotta but a tuine with that, too. Packages are great - and it makes certification SOO much easier. I was just making a point - people are keen to ask what is inside before they want to know about the actual delivered performance... that I find kinda odd... Not everyone wants to know what's IN an engine. I pick up my new super-dooper kill-Commodore engine in a couple of weeks (no, it's not for my Holden!!) and although I know exactly what's in it, I really don't care. (It's mostly stock stuff assemled to give treble the factory performance - and that's what I'm paying for) Like I've heard/read you say, all I want is a certain level of performance for a certain amount of time for a certain amount of bucks. If I get that, it's money well spent. This package looks like money well spent and people are publicly picking holes in it by asking about what widgets and bits are in it.. :eek:

Hey GT. Thats what forums are for. Share knowledge and public sledging. I never object to people asking questions. Sam has nothing to hide and is more than happy to demonstrate his wares as he and others here do many times.

[IIV8II]

yeah fair enough. But being critical is a bit unfair - especially before someone has even asked what the package does! That's the vibe I got... :)

[Criso]

Barren, point taken, my post was just to Criso saying his comments were a bit harsh, thats all, i know that Criso was upset from the comments posted by debencha, i would be too. but no need to swear and carry on, (sh!t, i sound like the moderators :hide: ) there are always going to be critics out there, you know that.

i know what debencha is on about, it's not nice we both know that, let the critics have there say and good luck to them. :)Its a good thing we have Moderators,I can not see no swearing on here. :D :D

[SS346]

Its a good thing we have Moderators,I can not see no swearing on here. :D :D


i didnt even realise :)

[Criso]

well i seem to have hit a nerve here and i will refrain from making any further comment...i was just trying to asertain the price of components compared to others .as i will be doing my own eng work..No harm done.
Cheers Criso :cool:

[Criso]

i didnt even realise :)Cheers :cheers:

[Animal]

Dam ... how did I miss all this :rolleyes:

In the red corner - two big fella's sporting two of Sam's very quick motors

Criso & Justice

... v's ...

In the blue corner - two fella's thinking about very quick motor



Heaps better than the rock'n'roll wrestling and the rumble in the jungle :D

[Criso]

Dam ... how did I miss all this :rolleyes:

In the red corner - two big fella's sporting two of Sam's very quick motors

Criso & Justice

... v's ...

In the blue corner - two fella's thinking about very quick motor



Heaps better than the rock'n'roll wrestling and the rumble in the jungle :DLol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Good on ya Animal

[GETUTED]

The 408 is new CI block or you can supply the Cast iron block yourself.

There is an alloy option 408 but that does add to the cost and is POA


408 Alloy option details?
ps - i sent you a PM........

[spiv]

An all ally with sleves would be nice 'n light and be an absolute torque beast. :D

[Criso]

An all ally with sleves would be nice 'n light and be an absolute torque beast. :DSam is working on the alloy block with new 4 inch sleeve as we speak,. it should not be long till he gets them back.
Cheers Criso

[team illucid]

what is the weight difference between the LS1 and the all iron block .... is it enough to seriously affect handling and car balance ?

thanks

[GETUTED]

what is the weight difference between the LS1 and the all iron block .... is it enough to seriously affect handling and car balance ?

thanks


DREWBYTES would be the one to ask I'd guess.
40kg heavier block from memory....

[GETUTED]

Sam is working on the alloy block with new 4 inch sleeve as we speak,. it should not be long till he gets them back.
Cheers Criso

Criso,

is that the Darton sleeves? So we should expect a 427ci package?

Just rolls off the tongue doesn't it.......four twenty seven..... :drool:

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Criso,

is that the Darton sleeves? So we should expect a 427ci package?

Just rolls off the tongue doesn't it.......four twenty seven..... :drool: 454 rolles of a lot eazyer :lol: :burnout: :driving: 4.125 crank +4.126 bore THATS ME . LUNATI 447 KIT BORED 20 THOW?

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Sam is working on the alloy block with new 4 inch sleeve as we speak,. it should not be long till he gets them back.
Cheers Criso HOW much for ally block sleeved to 454 stage 1drive in drive out cant email sam so he says,??

[Justice R8]

R8 Maloo and Get uted. Call Sam to discuss if you are genuinely serious. I did get your PM and have spoken to Sam for you so give him a call.

He prefers phone over email as he can generally tell if your serious or not on the phone. If he answered every email he wouldnt have a chance to build an engine :lol:

Sleeves are not Darton. He is building a test engine with something different, sleeve wise, in an effort to bring down the cost of an alloy block 408.

Current cost of an alloy block to make the packages 408 is an additional of approx $2500, 6ltr alloy block (note This is not a resleeved block)

[GETUTED]

R8 Maloo and Get uted. Call Sam to discuss if you are genuinely serious. I did get your PM and have spoken to Sam for you so give him a call.

He prefers phone over email as he can generally tell if your serious or not on the phone. If he answered every email he wouldnt have a chance to build an engine :lol:

Sleeves are not Darton. He is building a test engine with something different, sleeve wise, in an effort to bring down the cost of an alloy block 408.

Current cost of an alloy block to make the packages 408 is an additional of approx $2500, 6ltr alloy block (note This is not a resleeved block)

OK, thanks for the reply.

[Animal]

HOW much for ally block sleeved to 454 stage 1drive in drive out cant email sam so he says,??

Your really going to drive down from Cairns ??

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Your really going to drive down from Cairns ??
DROVE to bris for edit and then COFFS HARBOUR to make shoure it was ok.and then back to CAIRNS ,5000 ks in 7 days, keen hay ???

[Animal]

Crazy comes to mind too :)

I hope the crew in Coffs said it was OK, would have been a pisser if they hadn't.