Problems with V6 in adventra

[vh-holden]

Was listening to Will Hagen on tony delroy last night and he was saying that during a test drive of the v6 adventra the other day, it had troubles with water crossings.

they were driving through water and found that the engine would not rev afterwards for a few minutes. something to do with water getting into an oxygen sensor and the computer going into limp home mode before realising it was all fine and going back to normal.

anyone know anything else?

[V8R]

yep i was listening to that last night as well, seems odd.. will hagen really shits me tho, god damn he rattles on with shit at times. wouldnt mind his job tho :)
i wouldnt mind a 195 alloytec crewie, as well.


JM

[Muffdaddy]

I can't see how putting a V6 in the Adventra will help it sell anymore than the V8 did. I know it will reduce the cost but the V8 didn't sell very well at all . I just can't see the logic personally. I do realise that the V8 will still be available etc, etc. What they needed to do was increase the ground clearance and make it a real off-roader if they want to compete with the Territory.
I tried to convince the missus we should trade in the Berlina wagon and buy an Adventra but she said if we were going to go down the track of a 4WD or AWD we'd be better off going for something that we could actually go off road in.
The main reason you see a lot of mums driving around in 4WDs is because its a lot easier on your back to load a bub in a 4WD than it is in a normal wagon. The Adventra is not that much taller than a Commodore wagon so no point in trading up just yet( I hate it when she makes sense :( )

[Aus8]

I actually think the V6 will at least double the sales of the V8 version. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I always thought the V8 version was quite overpriced for what it was even when it had the $4000 price drop.

Cheers

Aus8

[ssberlina]

I can't see how putting a V6 in the Adventra will help it sell anymore than the V8 did. I know it will reduce the cost but the V8 didn't sell very well at all . I just can't see the logic personally. I do realise that the V8 will still be available etc, etc. What they needed to do was increase the ground clearance and make it a real off-roader if they want to compete with the Territory.
I tried to convince the missus we should trade in the Berlina wagon and buy an Adventra but she said if we were going to go down the track of a 4WD or AWD we'd be better off going for something that we could actually go off road in.
The main reason you see a lot of mums driving around in 4WDs is because its a lot easier on your back to load a bub in a 4WD than it is in a normal wagon. The Adventra is not that much taller than a Commodore wagon so no point in trading up just yet( I hate it when she makes sense :( )

Well the V6 should sell much better than the V8 due to a few of the items you mentioned.

Such as.

Fuel economy and hence range (major compliant of the V8)
Price. The new SX6 is 40990 plus on road.

As for being serious off roader they are not, more designed for the soccer mums.

[Muffdaddy]

I see where your heading but these days soccer mums( And I know quite a few) are buying CRVs, Escapes, Tributes etc, because as I said they are easier on the back to load in babies and shopping etc. I sincerely hope the V6 Adventra can turn the sales around for the model but I can't see it happening on the current platform/ride height. Its too close to the normal wagon.
I'm a Holden man through and through but when we upgrade, we'd go a CRV over an Adventra at the moment. Even a Prado, they're more expensive again.

[exploder]

I see where your heading but these days soccer mums( And I know quite a few) are buying CRVs, Escapes, Tributes etc, because as I said they are easier on the back to load in babies and shopping etc. I sincerely hope the V6 Adventra can turn the sales around for the model but I can't see it happening on the current platform/ride height. Its too close to the normal wagon.
I'm a Holden man through and through but when we upgrade, we'd go a CRV over an Adventra at the moment. Even a Prado, they're more expensive again.


There's three CRV's at work and everyone regrets buying them. They are a great car when there is only one person in it, but once you load the family and supplies they turn into a slug.

I think v6 adventra will do better because its not to big a step to drag the people who like the outback/forrestor type vehicle but have out grown the Subaru size.

[ssberlina]

I see where your heading but these days soccer mums( And I know quite a few) are buying CRVs, Escapes, Tributes etc, because as I said they are easier on the back to load in babies and shopping etc. I sincerely hope the V6 Adventra can turn the sales around for the model but I can't see it happening on the current platform/ride height. Its too close to the normal wagon.
I'm a Holden man through and through but when we upgrade, we'd go a CRV over an Adventra at the moment. Even a Prado, they're more expensive again.

Hey,

I agree. my missus is currently looking the 2005 CRV (5 speed auto) The adventra is too big, and looks too much like a wagon !! Go figure.

Check out my thread yesterday to Holden and add your comments.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35125

[vxberwag]

Any one know which eng and transmission the new 6 cyl Adventra is using.

[Ghia351]

Any one know which eng and transmission the new 6 cyl Adventra is using.

190kW V6/A5 combo.

[IIV8II]

I can't see how putting a V6 in the Adventra will help it sell anymore than the V8 did. I know it will reduce the cost but the V8 didn't sell very well at all . I just can't see the logic personally. I do realise that the V8 will still be available etc, etc. What they needed to do was increase the ground clearance and make it a real off-roader if they want to compete with the Territory.
I tried to convince the missus we should trade in the Berlina wagon and buy an Adventra but she said if we were going to go down the track of a 4WD or AWD we'd be better off going for something that we could actually go off road in.
The main reason you see a lot of mums driving around in 4WDs is because its a lot easier on your back to load a bub in a 4WD than it is in a normal wagon. The Adventra is not that much taller than a Commodore wagon so no point in trading up just yet( I hate it when she makes sense :( )oh here we go again... :rolleyes:

"Real offroader"... Adventra has more clearance than Territory... if you want a Cruiser, buy a bloody cruiser!

[seldo]

oh here we go again... :rolleyes:

"Real offroader"... Adventra has more clearance than Territory... if you want a Cruiser, buy a bloody cruiser!
It always fascinates me how most people want to drive around in a bloody 4wd with all the downside that entails, for 351 days a year, just so they can use one for 14 days in their holidays. Why don't they hire one for 14 days and drive a proper car for the balance of the year ferchrisakes! It's about as logical as the bloke who drives a tip truck all year round just so he can use one to clear the rubbish away from his hobby farm once a year.
And also, when will everyone stop trying to compare the Adventra with the Territory. They are of totally different configuration and are not direct competitors. The Adventra possibly should be compared with other station waggon type AWDs like Outback, Forrester, Offroad etc. But, you might find that Holden pop up with something that is comparable in the not too distant future..

[V-Car]

you might find that Holden pop up with something that is comparable in the not too distant future..

A rebadged Chevy Trailblazer maybe?
IMO the Territory is a great product, and Ford have really got the jump on Holden who were left with their pants down.
Most are being sold in just 2WD form, which shows that the mums really like the size/height etc. but know they dont need the AWD capabilities.
The Trailblazer (or whatever they use) is going to have to be good to catch up.

[large]

I just wonder how many people bagging the Adventra have actually driven one both on and off the road under all conditions. Well this black duck has and I am more than pleased with its performance, and road manners even at high speed. Its cornering and handling ability is amazing and has no problems at all in the rough stuff. It may even be in the ls1 drag nationals. It won't set too many records but will leave most standard 308 VR, VS Drivers scratching there heads.
Cheers Large.

[fester1]

Well the V6 should sell much better than the V8 due to a few of the items you mentioned.

Such as.

Fuel economy and hence range (major compliant of the V8)
Price. The new SX6 is 40990 plus on road.

As for being serious off roader they are not, more designed for the soccer mums.


I always thought that the Adventurer looked too much like your everyday exec wagon to attract sales at the price they had it pitched at. The Territory, however, didn't look anything like the BA it was based on so could be marketed as a whole new model and be priced accordingly. IMHO Ford deserves the COTY award for smart design and marketing.

This is a smart move by Holden - puts the Adventurer at around the same price as the Territory RWD and with the 190/A5 and that price i'd be very surprised if they didn't sell. But I'd be amazed if it didn't cut deeply into the sales of your standard exec wagon.

[myles]

I looked at Chevrolet's web site http://www.chevrolet.com/suvs/ and they have some nice SUVs there.

I looked at the trailblazer (mentioned in a post above) but personally, I think the Chevy Equinox would be ideal for the Aus market. http://www.chevrolet.com/equinox/photogallery/ It would definitely appeal to buyers wanting the same look and specs as the territory and would be of a similar price as well.

Looks great!
http://www.chevrolet.com/equinox/index.jsp
:driving:

[Goggles]

if Holden and Ford are serious about getting into the 4wd market, and I suspect that the Adventra and Territory are toe-in-the water exercises, then they need to have trucks which compete with the Landcruiser and Patrol.

rather ironic that today, we got our Patrol raised 3 inches, when most people lower their cars.

now the top of my SS is level with the bottom of the windows of the Patrol :lol:

[ABS]

Holden are getting a rebadged Daewoo SUV in 2006/2007. It's alot better than it sounds.

I reall DON'T see a point in making Aussie versions of the Landcruiser and Patrol.

[Goggles]

I reall DON'T see a point in making Aussie versions of the Landcruiser and Patrol.

I agree with this point - the volume of Cruisers and Patrols sold (about the same as the territory and adventra) do not justify Ford and Holden making their own versions - importing them would make more sense.

[large]

I don't think you would find many Adventra buyers worried about "serious" offroad capabilities. I purely bought mine because its basically a Calais wagon!

If I wanted to buy a "tip me over,killing machine" I would have bought a pointless suburbia truck like a landcruiser or the like.

The Adventra should never be compared against a landcruiser etc because they are clearly totally different cars. One goes around corners on 4 wheels the other on two!

[ABS]

For Holden or Ford to build an Australian version of the Landcrusier would be downright lunacy!!! The logic behind the Ford Territory was to create a softroader that appealed to AWD buyer, but did not carry the same flaws as the full size 4WDs, such as high centre of gravity and crap handling. It better for the soccer mums to be driving a Ford Territory with good handling, low centre of gravity and good safety than a lumbering 2.4 tonne Nissan Patrol with crap handling.

[nikola]

The Adventra is too close to the normal wagon. Why buy it when the normal wagon is lighter, has better fuel consumption and perfomance and the Adventra can't really go off-road anyway.

Makes no sense which is why nobody is buying it.

[bigmack]

[QUOTE=large]I don't think you would find many Adventra buyers worried about "serious" offroad capabilities. I purely bought mine because its basically a Calais wagon!

If I wanted to buy a "tip me over,killing machine" I would have bought a pointless suburbia truck like a landcruiser or the like.


Funny that over 10 years driving 4x4's I never tipped one over. Almost tipped my Patrol over 4x4ing but never had any problems with normal driving. Its people who think they can drive them like a race car that gets you into trouble. People have to learn how to drive them not to blame the vehicle for their mistakes unless there is something seriously wrong with the vehicle to make it dangerously unstable.

[Goggles]

Funny that over 10 years driving 4x4's I never tipped one over. Almost tipped my Patrol over 4x4ing but never had any problems with normal driving. Its people who think they can drive them like a race car that gets you into trouble. People have to learn how to drive them not to blame the vehicle for their mistakes unless there is something seriously wrong with the vehicle to make it dangerously unstable.

I remember that the first time I drove our Patrol, I went around a mild bend between Windsor and Penrith at 80kmh, and the thing noticeably understeered where my Commodore would not even notice the bend.

From that time on, I have always been conscious of the fact that I am driving a bigger, and worse handling car, and compensated accordingly.

With a modern 4wd with good tyres and the right pressures, you have to do something very wrong to tip it over.

[seldo]

if Holden and Ford are serious about getting into the 4wd market, and I suspect that the Adventra and Territory are toe-in-the water exercises, then they need to have trucks which compete with the Landcruiser and Patrol....
:lol:
I couldn't disagree more. Firstly, they already have things like Jackaroo, and secondly, as I have said in other posts, 80% of the people currently driving 4WDs in the city only bought them because they needed the space that the big 4WDs offer, and until Territory came along, their only other options were people movers which didn't offer the big car feel/ride/handling/performance and sense of solidarity that Territory/Cruiser/Patrol/Pajero etc offer.

[chevypower]

Dont buy a 4wd cos people only take it off road now and then? So why buy a sports car? How often to people "use" that? I think the new LR Discovery 3 is the great all-rounder from what I have read. Seats 7 adults very comfortably, 0-100 in 8 seconds, beats any other stock 4wd off-road, supposed to have great handling and comfortable ride with air suspension, and tows 3.5 tonne, has a 6 spd auto too.... now the price of the damn thing.....

[Cat755]

A lot of Territory AWD and a few Adventra's sold out this way are to people who need a vehicle that can handle gravel roads,flood ways etc., but still want the handling of a standard, higher spec car, when on bitumin roads. The biggest loser out here in the bush has been the Toyota and Nissan agents. I think if Holden offer the 195kw V6 with the 5 speed auto in the Adventra , as expected, they will sell a lot more of them. I have a need for two 4WDs in my business. One needs to be pretty tough to handle all road and weather conditions possible, for that I have a Landcruiser trayback. The other is a lighter vehicle for more bitumin work. Would seriously look at the Cross8 if they put the V6 plus 5 speed auto in it and replace the smaller 4WD.
What I would love to see actually is a V8 one tonner with the cross8 running gear :cool:

[large]

[QUOTE=bigmack

Funny that over 10 years driving 4x4's I never tipped one over. Almost tipped my Patrol over 4x4ing but never had any problems with normal driving. Its people who think they can drive them like a race car that gets you into trouble. People have to learn how to drive them not to blame the vehicle for their mistakes unless there is something seriously wrong with the vehicle to make it dangerously unstable.[/QUOTE]

Wholeheartedly agree!

Its the red neck drivers of these things who drive like race car drivers that tip them over.
One day go to a wrecked car auction and have a look how many 4 x 4 land cruiser, pajeros and the like are there. Count them, then count how many are roll over accidents. I think it would be around the 90% plus mark. Do the same exercise with a sedan or wagon and the same percentage would be under 5 %.

The Adventra and Territory ( which I reckon are ok ) are totally different vehicles.

[vh-holden]

so any other information on the actual engine problems?

[chevypower]

I thought a Cross6 was planned to come out? Holden should make a standard cab ute Cross6 and Cross8 also - i wouldn't buy one, but it would would probably sell.

[V-Car]

I thought a Cross6 was planned to come out? Holden should make a standard cab ute Cross6 and Cross8 also - i wouldn't buy one, but it would would probably sell.

They do now.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=21&navid=1

[Chris52]

They do now.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=21&navid=1


And looks like there is a 16 inch pursuit rim,(finally).

[Avalanche]

It is funny how the adventra is compared to the territory when they are aimed at different markets. The territory is aimed at people who want high driving position and maybe want do do some offroad. The adventra is an allround vehicle with more offroad capability than the territory. It is more comparable to the forrester, & out backs, the volvo awd wagons, the audi all wheel drive. I wonder who is in front profit wise when comparing cost of production & advertising to actual amount of vehicles sold ?????? I think ford spent about half a billion and holden about 125 million.

[FPV GTHO]

Holden spent $250million on Adventra alone at a time they also spend $250million on the VY, comparatively theyve spent half as much as Ford done on the BA/Territory. Overall i'd say Holden's plan is paying more dividends than Ford's as as far as local production goes, theyre still pushing out around the 100,000 mark and Ford had to spend twice as much to get there

[Merlin]

It always fascinates me how most people want to drive around in a bloody 4wd with all the downside that entails, for 351 days a year, just so they can use one for 14 days in their holidays. Why don't they hire one for 14 days and drive a proper car for the balance of the year ferchrisakes! It's about as logical as the bloke who drives a tip truck all year round just so he can use one to clear the rubbish away from his hobby farm once a year.


lol - For once I agree with Seldo - whenever I argue with someone about the negatives of a large 4WD (such as the many V8 Landcruisers getting around my suburb) the age old comeback is always about how they go offroading once a year and hence require a 4WD when they live in the city.

It would make a hell of a lot of sense to buy a less compromised vehicle and hire a 4wd a couple a days a year.

[chevypower]

compromised?.. the only compromise is fuel economy... they can go just as fast around the suburbs as any other car - isnt it always CAR drivers that complain about 4 wheel drives sitting on their backsides when they are going too slow?

[Merlin]

compromised?.. the only compromise is fuel economy... they can go just as fast around the suburbs as any other car - isnt it always CAR drivers that complain about 4 wheel drives sitting on their backsides when they are going too slow?

when I said compromised I was talking about:

1) less performance (in comparison to a car with the same engine size)
2) higher fuel consumption
3) poor handling (in comparison to a car)
4) dangerous in a crash to other road users (more weight)
5) higher centre of gravity (more likley to roll in a crash)
6) more expensive to maintain (ever checked the tyre prices :eek: )
7) Irritate others as no-one can see around them

Some people will always choose this type of vehicle and I dont want to start an argument as many people on here are passionate about 4WD driving and if thats what they want to buy then go for it Im not going to stop you (each to their own) but you cant claim they are as efficient as a passenger car in normal on road driving.

[large]

compromised?.. the only compromise is fuel economy... they can go just as fast around the suburbs as any other car - isnt it always CAR drivers that complain about 4 wheel drives sitting on their backsides when they are going too slow?

If you ever do an advanced driving course you will very quickly realise that a land cruiser type vehicle is an awfully dangerous performer. I personally did a course with a very experienced 4 x 4 driver in our group with a 2002 Land cruiser. I was instructed to run the course at 75kmh and passed every time, he was instructed to go 55 kmh and failed every time ( ie; knocked over witches hats). On the swerve and manouvre test this thing ended up with two wheels in the air.
the drivers comment to me was " I have been driving these things for years and had know idea just how dangerous they when pushed to the extreme".

The unfortunate reality is that these types of vehicle are often driven like cars when they are clearly not capable of it.

[chevypower]

Yeah but ya drive them differently... anyhow, current speed limits, you can drive a semi trailer in the wet fully loaded safely - anything that handles better than that is overkill unless they increase the limits - and i didnt say they were as efficient as a normal car, in fact i said the opposite -assuming you are talking about fuel consumption, but performance (accelerating and stopping, these days they are as good, and handling is not much worse anymore either)

[payaya]

i think the Adventura isnt going to sell even in V6 form because have to state the facts its ugly! The AU is a fine example!

[Chris52]

i think the Adventura isnt going to sell even in V6 form because have to state the facts its ugly! The AU is a fine example!


To put the adventra on the same ugly scale as the AU Falcon is just plain wrong mate. :bash: IMHO the rear wheel arch panel on the territory is ugly!

Cheers.

[LSX-438]

do we really care? they are hardly exciting cars. I might buy an Adventra or Territory for mind-numbing family duties. The kids will trash it, fill it with sand, and wife will ding the crap out of it. Respective Holden/Ford CEO's will have us believe these are the most significant cars ever! what a crock. Build me a low-slung and light weight 6-speed AWD LS2 munro, then i'll be listening...

[Aus8]

To put the adventra on the same ugly scale as the AU Falcon is just plain wrong mate. :bash: IMHO the rear wheel arch panel on the territory is ugly!

Cheers.

Its not far off the mark mate. The Adventra is pretty fowl to look at IMO. Mechanically a strong package though. I see the Territory as a beautifully looking car and that would be one of the reasons its selling well.

Cheers

Aus8

[O5BRKY]

It always fascinates me how most people want to drive around in a bloody 4wd with all the downside that entails, for 351 days a year, just so they can use one for 14 days in their holidays. Why don't they hire one for 14 days and drive a proper car for the balance of the year ferchrisakes! It's about as logical as the bloke who drives a tip truck all year round just so he can use one to clear the rubbish away from his hobby farm once a year.
And also, when will everyone stop trying to compare the Adventra with the Territory. They are of totally different configuration and are not direct competitors. The Adventra possibly should be compared with other station waggon type AWDs like Outback, Forrester, Offroad etc. But, you might find that Holden pop up with something that is comparable in the not too distant future..

AGREE 100%.
I had a Jackaroo :rolleyes: ,which I had plained to do alot of FWD, however I never got the time to get out and do it enough, so went back to the good old Commodore.
If I get the chance to go FWD, I'll go and hire one...

[O5BRKY]

The Adventra is too close to the normal wagon. Why buy it when the normal wagon is lighter, has better fuel consumption and perfomance and the Adventra can't really go off-road anyway.

Makes no sense which is why nobody is buying it.

Wrong, I'd buy one so when I take the boat up to the Murray and take it out of the dirt boat ramp, I've got the advantage of AWD, and the comfort/ride of teh Commodore without the body roll of a normal 4WD.

[HSVMAN]

4x4's are just that, 4x4's.
AWD are in different market alltogether.
SUV AWD Crossover is the category that Adventra (and Cross8) falls into which doesnt line up with conventional 4x4 vehicles and is not intended to.
They are aimed at buyers looking for multi use type vehicles that can tow up a slippery surface and handle ice/snow/sand with relative ease.
You can throw all the kids/tools/dog in and head off anywhere you want.
Parking in a conventional carpark is not too difficult and you can overtake in safety and know that in horrible road conditions your missus and kids are in a bloody safe car that wont fall over with the smallest tweek on the wheel.

I just spent the weekend in a Cross8 and was impressed for a commercial type vehicle just how comfortable it was. I gave it a hard time over 3 days and averaged 17.7l/100 which is a tad more than the SS and a shite load better than any other SUV or 4x4 I've driven - 6 0r 8 cyl
AWD technology is growing in use and will only increase in numbers.
Holden have only just entered the market with Adventra, Cross8 (HSV versions include Coupe4 which of course isnt an SUV) and now Cross 6. They had no intention of competing with Ford models or conventional 4x4s but rather aiming at the market mentioned above. There is much more to come yet..... :)

[V-Car]

There's no doubting that the Adventra is a great product, but it shouldnt be compared to the Territory, as it caters to a very different market, whereas the Territory appeals to a much larger consumer base that wouldnt even consider the Adventra.
Holden may sell as many Adventra's as they planned, but to compete against the Territory, they really need to offer something from the GM world like the Cadillac SRX. Its AWD system is basically the same as Adventra's.
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/gallery.jsp?model=srx
Price would be a huge disadvantage however, but this type of large SUV (like the Territory) is just what the market is looking for.
Holden needs to plug this gap in their lineup fast, and im afraid to say that Ford just did their homework better, found out what the market wanted, and quietly got on with it, while Holden missed the boat.
They might say that there was nothing available at the time, but neither was there at Ford, so top marks must go to Ford Australia who designed their own...with much less resources and finances than Holden have available to them.
If Ford could do it while they were making a loss, then Holden should have been able to do it with the huge profits they have been making.
Im not bashing Holden, but credit where credit is due, Ford did it better IMHO. :)

[HSVMAN]

There's no doubting that the Adventra is a great product, but it shouldnt be compared to the Territory............Holden may sell as many Adventra's as they planned, but to compete against the Territory, they really need to offer something from the GM world like the Cadillac SRX. Its AWD system is basically the same as Adventra's.
Price would be a huge disadvantage however, but this type of large SUV (like the Territory) is just what the market is looking for.
Holden needs to plug this gap in their lineup fast, and im afraid to say that Ford just did their homework better, found out what the market wanted, and quietly got on with it, while Holden missed the boat.
They might say that there was nothing available at the time, but neither was there at Ford, so top marks must go to Ford Australia who designed their own...with much less resources and finances than Holden have available to them.
If Ford could do it while they were making a loss, then Holden should have been able to do it with the huge profits they have been making.
Im not bashing Holden, but credit where credit is due, Ford did it better IMHO. :)

Yeah good on Ford for doing well with the Territory.
I think many people are missing the point however regarding Holden's intentions in the market. Large SUV is not what Holden were looking to design and they dont intend to either IMO.
The market they are looking to capture is far greater ;)
Take a look at the latest line up of full time AWD "Crossovers":
V8 or V6 Adventra (3 V6 models), Cross 6 Crewman, Cross6 1 Tonner & Cross8 Crewman
Like I said earlier they are only just starting so it isnt about producing one model that sells well.

[V-Car]

While its relatively easy if you do one AWD, to put AWD under everything you sell, thats fine, but as much as Holden marketing might push the line that the large SUV market is not what they were after, the fact is that Ford are selling up a storm with the Territory (in RWD and AWD) and Holden will be doing everything possible to offer something similar...but for now, i think they were left flat footed, and misread the market. Dare i say arrogance again?
Whether you like them or not, that segment of the market is where its all happening at the moment.

[Blown 454 AWD]

If anyone needs a little clarification on what the Adventra is capable of as an AWD toy after a few mods, next time your in Sydney and near Botany, look me up at Mainlube Lubricants and I’ll put a large smile on your face. :D

There is no comparison to the VX SS I had before when it comes to putting the power down on a slippery surface.

On a recent trip away towing a 22 foot 2 ton boat, in the wet you are still looking at about 7 seconds with 0 to 100k.

Just what it was built for, lots of fun, safe (non skid), (loose no demerit points) fun, even mum can drive it (with the track. on.)

You will never get me back to 2 wheel drive. (except for a C6 Vette) :lol:

Sorry for bringing the V8 into a V6 thread however, TTV6 will also be loads of fun.

[ssberlina]

Speaking of V8's if anyone in Brisbane is looking to buy a LX8 (yes LX8 not CX8) they were advertised in the paper on Saturday for $39,990 DRIVE AWAY.


Now that is a very very good deal even if it is run out stock.

[MTC]

Speaking of V8's if anyone in Brisbane is looking to buy a LX8 (yes LX8 not CX8) they were advertised in the paper on Saturday for $39,990 DRIVE AWAY.


Now that is a very very good deal even if it is run out stock.

Mate could you email me a copy of the add or give more detail's As the wife miss's her V8 AUII FMONT WGN so a lx8 could be the go & at the price i would buy one up there & drive back to VIc in it :)

[fouronthefloor]

just to kick my 2c worth into the can.....

I reckon one of the big reasons the Adventra doesn't sell more is cause holden dealers do not have the interest or expertise to do it. Of course , this is a generalised comment, specific to my experience but.....I am yet to see one appear in an ad in my local paper, the local dealers have had a token one on the lot which the salespeople ( when they actually bothered to talk to me) had no clue about. Ditto goes for the SAABs but thats a WHOLE 'nother story.......

If you stack an Adventra up against its actual competitors it looks pretty good. Who are these actual competitors? Well I think that Holden has no clue about that but in my humble opinion they are:

Outback
XC 70
Allroad
V8 Holden & Ford Wagons

It is obviously not a high-rise 4wd with serious offroad ability so why waste time with comparisons? The people i spoke with either wanted to sell me an SSV8, a Calais V8 or tried valiantly to establish some sort of case for the Adventra vs a Landcruiser/pajero...... and I was a customer who was actually interested in the thing! :rolleyes:

IN the end I bought a prado for a different purpose ( towing, boats, horses etc..) but I still have a soft spot for the AWD V8. You get an awful lot of realestate for your $$, thats for sure. perhaps the V6 will open the doors of perception a little.

[ssberlina]

Well, I went to the Brisbane motor show yesterday and had a good look at the territory.

Seriously I thought the concept is very good but the build quality of the ones at the show were very suspect and had poorly alligned panels and a few of the seat levers etc were broken after a few days at the show. The salesman was apologetic but seriously it was disappointing. The base model had lots of cheap looking plastic as well and looked more like the Kia than the ford "car of the year".
Before you say it I wasnt being biased either as i was looking at it with my wife to replace her Honda, but she was most disappointed at how cheap it looked in comparison to her 4 year old honda.

I hope they were not examples of what is being sold to the market as I would expect lots of warranty work otherwise.

Before I get a range of insults from the Ford guys, I recommend that they go and have a look for themselves. Ford have done no favours to the car with the cheap plastic look and quality of the install. Maybe that is standard for the ford but it isnt good enough for me so my wallet stayed in the pocket.

I mean in reality the CRV honda and the adventra were so much better in quality you would have thought the territory was cheap ripoff from Korea.

[Danv8]

I mean in reality the CRV honda and the adventra were so much better in quality you would have thought the territory was cheap ripoff from Korea.[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean I had a look at a few inside and out I was looking at the mid spec TS AWD and the Territory is a good looking MPV I hate the term SUV. But the interior was very cheap to look at and to feel but then again it is a BA interior so it was very familiar look at and use. Shame that I didn't have the time to take one for a test drive. Other than that I don't think its a bad vehicle at all but I won't be handing my money for one either. Same with the adventra as well.

[who_me_?]

Finally you can get one in white.

Happy that you can get a V6 with the 5 speed auto.

I was waiting for the V6 so that it would have Stabilty Control (great for gravel) and the fuel econ should be a bit better...

I WILL be ordering one but I want cloth trim and a luxury model so I am wondering which I will choose...

Yes, I do drive a X5 at the moment but the boot is just too small...

[Danv8]

Great they have released a Cross 6 1 tonner ute now:

Dear Holden can you please release an S and or SS with a V8 and AWD in the 1 tonner range?.


:cool:

oh p's' them steelies look shite on the cross 6 1 tonner as well.

[fouronthefloor]

just flicked thru the Adventra site, looks like the CX 8 has gone. There's now 3 x V6 models + the V8 as flagship.
Its been said before but, you've got to pay an awful lot of $$ to get that much realestate + KW/NM from europe. Then they'll ping you for the leather + sunroof as well. Oh, you want a CD player with that? AND speakers?.....

on the AWD note, BMW seem to be going this way with AWD versions of the 5 series + second gen x5/x3 + new awd people movers in the next 5 years.

[cutter bob]

Dear Holden can you please release an S and or SS with a V8 and AWD in the 1 tonner range?.

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and MANUAL!!!!!!.....every other company seems to be able to master this feat!!!

[ABS]

I just went to the motor show today and I was shocked with the Adventra SX6. The base model Adventra at $41,990 does NOT have rear seat head restraints. That's a really appauling cost cutting measure and Holden have no excuse. I was speaking to one of the engineers and while they are unable to specifically comment he did say that he was surprised. The manager of the Holden stand at the motor show was more interested in the feedback and said he'll look into it.