BA 6 NA tuning, WOW!

[nikola]

I know this is not a Ford forum but these results look incredible. Nizpro are claiming some big numbers from Fords NA 6 cylinder after one of their tunes.

Package one looks like a match for a stock XR6 Turbo!

I wonder if it's for real and what the cost is.

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BA Falcon N/A Tuning Packages
It's here! A naturally aspirated alternative. We've been playing with the Naturally Aspirated BA Falcon and through extensive testing we now offer the following packages:

Package 1


• Extractors
• Nizpro Camshafts
• Nizpro valve springs
• NiZedit tune

Performance:

• 451 Nm @ 4870 rpm
• 240kW @ 6010 rpm

Still want more?
Through further testing, using upgraded injectors and utilising one of our Cobra Inlet Manifolds, the figure jumps to an impressive 273kW.

Package 2 (same as package 1 plus)

• Upgrade Injectors
• Cobra Inlet Manifold

Performance:

• 270+kW

That's a massive 50% power increase!

[Danv8]

Pretty impressive wonder if they are going to wave their magic for the HFV6 donk. I hate using the name alloytech yuck.

[Aus8]

Lol me too When I hear Alloytech it reminds me of the old XD/XF Falcons with Alloyhead badges on the side.

Cheers

Aus8

[clixanup]

How does the clutch cope? :lol: :hide:

[Merlin]

damn thats impressive - i must look away NOW!!

House repyments, house repayments - I will keep repeating this until I forget I read this post.

[OakenShield]

I assume that power is at the Donk??

VERY impressive numbers, will give my stock genIII a good run.

If it's at the treads, my GenIII is a goner at only 208 kW...

[Danv8]

I assume that power is at the Donk??

VERY impressive numbers, will give my stock genIII a good run.

If it's at the treads, my GenIII is a goner at only 208 kW...


I wouldn't fear mate its rated at the flywheel I guess they would have to make the Nizpro N/A BA I6 engine rev like hell without having a heart attack to reach 208 rwkw. :)

[Ghia351]

I wouldn't fear mate its rated at the flywheel I guess they would have to make the Nizpro N/A BA I6 engine rev like hell without having a heart attack to reach 208 rwkw. :)

Danv8,
I was trying to find out just that, can you direct me to where it states fly or rear wheel output. Sounds great for my future Territory.
Thanks.

Edit:
Just realised based on their 50% increase claim that it is fly as you stated.

[matty s]

[QUOTE=clixanup]How does the clutch cope? :lol: :hide:


Thats Just too F%$#*N Funny :D

[Danv8]

Danv8,
I was trying to find out just that, can you direct me to where it states fly or rear wheel output. Sounds great for my future Territory.
Thanks.

Edit:
Just realised based on their 50% increase claim that it is fly as you stated.


To be honest I can't find anything where it states where it classifies it RWHP or FWHP. But I did send them an email to see how much a stage 2 kit would cost and if the power comes from the fly or the drive.

My turn to edit:
Just read your edit reply. :)

[BenZor]

How does the clutch cope? :lol: :hide:


Probably about as well as a Gen3 on oil usage, or a Power Steering pump in a Holden..

People in glass houses.. stones.. :p

Seriously though, im gunna get some prices on these for my car :D

Edit: Also it'd cope fine, seeing as it isn't the twin plate in the F6. The other Ford's have no clutch issues.

[dogsballs]

damn, that some decent ponies, torque would be good as well i'd guess!! but, not entirely suprising seeing the displacement of the engine and the twin cam design. Remember BMW have been doing it for years. would be definitely interesting to see what size sticks they are putting in there though??

Finally, when has any tuner or aftermarket place ever given rwkw's, its always fwkw's, makes marketing sense

[VX2VESS]

and what does this type of tuning get without the stick, just bolt ons?

[clixanup]

Edit: Also it'd cope fine, seeing as it isn't the twin plate in the F6. The other Ford's have no clutch issues.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just put the twin plate clutch in the F6 instead of publically announcing that there is no fix?

[Merlin]

If that's the case, then why didn't they just put the twin plate clutch in the F6 instead of publically announcing that there is no fix?

putting aside all the F6 jokes - with a 50% power increase to 270kw I'm thinking the stocky clutch is going to need upgrading anyway - I also wonder how the 5 speed would cope though it looks like its making the power up high so should be OK.

Still wouldnt stop me from looking at this package if the price was right though.

[clixanup]

Still wouldnt stop me from looking at this package if the price was right though.

All jokes aside, I'd do the same. Those are some good numbers from an NA 6.

When are people gonna start tickling the Alloytec like this? Will we have to wait 3 years until they first ones are out of warranty or what?

[Febs]

Probably about as well as a Gen3 on oil usage, or a Power Steering pump in a Holden..

People in glass houses.. stones.. :p

Bwahaha...read that, and without looking at the username thought "WTF? Ben's joined up the forums?"

Then I looked at the username...haha. :)

Play nice now mate. :p

[ozzyjim]

If that's the case, then why didn't they just put the twin plate clutch in the F6 instead of publically announcing that there is no fix?

They probably could have, but then they would have to drop the price, and have a notchy (but strong) 5 speed in it, then most would say stuff it ill just buy an xr6t and boost it myself.

Cheers
Jim

[Merlin]

All jokes aside, I'd do the same. Those are some good numbers from an NA 6.

When are people gonna start tickling the Alloytec like this? Will we have to wait 3 years until they first ones are out of warranty or what?

Well its taken 3 years for the BA NA packages to appear so I'm guessing at least the same amount of time

[SV8VY]

Sounds good but I think I need proof at WSID or other reputable track to see a time slip :deal:

[lowriding]

how much ?- anything more than a couple of grand forget it - waste of time. Biggest problem i see is that there already is a factory turbocharged version - on the 2nd market only a couple of thousand $ more.Who will pay 5k + for this ?? That leaves this package for diehards only . the turbo has obviously so much more potential - and much better drive too ,and actually have a resale too.

Good luck to them though.

[Ghia351]

how much ?- anything more than a couple of grand forget it - waste of time. Biggest problem i see is that there already is a factory turbocharged version - on the 2nd market only a couple of thousand $ more.Who will pay 5k + for this ?? That leaves this package for diehards only . the turbo has obviously so much more potential - and much better drive too ,and actually have a resale too.

Good luck to them though.

True, except that the turbo is only available on one model, this kit would be available to everything else from XT up, to wagons to LWB to Territory and if you can't/won't buy a V8 (which still lacks in performance when compared apart from XR8/GT) a modded I6 would be a great sleeper.

[nikola]

the turbo has obviously so much more potential - and much better drive too

Personally, I prefer the instant response of an NA engine. Turbo's are great but their throttle response is always soft. If the choice was this or a stock XR6 Turbo I'd prolly go this. It's just my preference keep in mind.

I can see this engine being good for putting into a smaller, lighter car because it will be cheap (how many NA 6 Falcons are there out there?) and it's got good performance.

[flappist]

If that's the case, then why didn't they just put the twin plate clutch in the F6 instead of publically announcing that there is no fix?
In that you have obviously done a LOT of research before your comments.....
The clutch is the F6 is a dual plate unit and in only fitted to that model.
The problem with the clutch is a circlip that can fail preventing one of the plates of the clutch from moving and therefore fully engaging.

More simply, the clutch will not allow you to change gears. It does not slip, burn, clunk or whatever.

The failure has occured in about 20 or so cars (out of 80 odd sold) and FPV have recalled them and stopped sales until thay are all fixed.
Every F6 owner (even if their clutch had not failed) was given the option of a GT or GT-P on loan until the situation has been rectified.

Now can you give me another example of ANY vehicle manufacturer in Australia going to those lengths to look after their customers.

You can probably think of a few fairly major stuffups with other manufacturers in the past few years, what was their response?

(Yes I know this is ls1.com.au but this appears to be a ford thread and the attack was a bit unfair)

[clixanup]

The failure has occured in about 20 or so cars (out of 80 odd sold) and FPV have recalled them and stopped sales until thay are all fixed.

Thankyou for your detailed explanation of the situation.


Now can you give me another example of ANY vehicle manufacturer in Australia going to those lengths to look after their customers.

To be fair, the customers you're referring to are premium customers purchasing a top shelf car which has been hyped for the past 12 months. If I was ever affected by such a problem I'd expect no less - regardless of manufacturer. Several people on this forum have had their engines rebuilt under warranty by Holden and had a 'loaner' while the work is being done.


(Yes I know this is ls1.com.au but this appears to be a ford thread and the attack was a bit unfair)

Attack? It was a joke mate. Someone took it the wrong way, got offended and inferred that the stock clutch is tougher than the F6 one, leading to the post which seemingly offended you. :confused: Sorry if that's the case.

[Evil LS1]

I could never see HSV going to such lengths to help out customers.

The NA option is very good, because a lot of people can't get insurance for turbos or don't want the high premiums.

[BLACK 346]

Cant vouch for HSV, but my old Holden dealer used to treat
me pretty good. Free loaner VY Wagon whilst my master
and slave cylinders were replaced, another free loaner
whilst gearbox was replaced and used to pick car up
and deliver home for servicing whilst I was overseas
and mrs was pregnant. So not all bad by Holden.

[GT-P 738]

I wouldn't fear mate its rated at the flywheel I guess they would have to make the Nizpro N/A BA I6 engine rev like hell without having a heart attack to reach 208 rwkw. :)

Its not as far away as you think .

[flappist]

Attack? It was a joke mate. Someone took it the wrong way, got offended and inferred that the stock clutch is tougher than the F6 one, leading to the post which seemingly offended you. :confused: Sorry if that's the case.
No offence taken at all....

Being a V8 owner I have had many giggles at the turbo zealots who were predicting the end of the legitimate use of the words "V8" and "performance" in the same sentence.

[Swordie]

I wonder how much the Ford NA 6 upgrades cost? How long is the warranty and will it need premium unleaded?

[Merlin]

I wonder how much the Ford NA 6 upgrades cost? How long is the warranty and will it need premium unleaded?

At a guess
1) expensive
2) non-existent
3) most Xr6 owners already use premium.

[Swordie]

I can't see the point of spending thousands on improving a 6 when you could of purchased a V8 to begin with. The XR6T would be an exception.

[Merlin]

I can't see the point of spending thousands on improving a 6 when you could of purchased a V8 to begin with. The XR6T would be an exception.

Maybe at the time you could only afford the 6 but now you have the money (well thats my situation anyway).

Also - insurance is a lot cheaper than both the turbo and V8 and fuel consumption would be less than a worked turbo or V8.

Having said that I do agree with you and cant see the point in spending big bucks on modifying the NA 6 when you could get bigger results with the turbo or V8 and have better resale.

But in the end its something different I suppose and a 270kw XR6 non-turbo would be pretty unique.

[clixanup]

I think the key word is "availability". New or second hand an NA 6 is always going to be cheaper than a T or V8 of the same age.

To be honest, I'm surprised that it took the tuners this long to pander to the masses.

[Phido]

Not to mention most Fords are not XR (just yet anyway).. and the V8's do kinda suck.. (heavy, guzzlers, 5000 rpm red line, not much faster stock, expensive etc).

You could pick up a BA Fairmont Ghia for ~<$25k, do $5k of mods and have a pretty sweet ride.. Also a sleeper..

Some over at FF were claiming ~220Kw @ fly with exhaust/intake mods to a I6. I wouldn't be that suprised if with edit, a exhaust and a typhoon intake you couldn't get ~230-240kw and you could do it for about $1500..

[Danv8]

Ppl I got an email from Nizpro about the BA kit.
"Dan,

Hi and thanks ever so much for enquiring about our BA XR6 NA packages.
However, rather than only replying to the point/s raised in your email, I
have expanded my reply to give you a better idea of our approach.



Components, Combinations and Pricing Structure:



COMPONENTS:



1. Nizpro camshafts (changeover) and valve springs: $1995 (fitted)

2. NizEdit custom tune (CAPA Flash) and Fuel Pressure Regulator: $1850

3. Nizpro Plenum and induction system: $1850 (fitted)

4. Extractors and high-flow exhaust system (utilising existing cat):
$1400 (fitted)



COMBINATIONS.

Stage 1:

NizEdit and Fuel Pressure Regulator. Expect a 15-20 rwkw increase and
between 160 and 165 rwkw.



Stage 2:

As per Stage 1 + Extractors and high-flow exhaust system. Expect a 15 rwkw
gain and between 175 and 180 rwkw.



Stage 3:

As per Stages 1 and 2 + either: Nizpro camshafts and valve springs, or,
Nizpro plenum and intake system. Expect a 20-25 rwkw increase and between
195 and 200 rwkw.



Stage 4:
As per Stage 1, 2 and 3, including both the Nizpro Plenum / intake system,
camshafts and valve springs. Expect an additional 20-25 rwkw increase and
between 215 and 220 rwkw.



PRICING.

Stage I: $1995

Stage 2: $3250

Stage 3: $5245 (camshafts), $5100 (intake system)

Stage 4: $7095



NOTES:
NizEdit and Fuel Pressure Regulator. Why? Because the factory injectors find
it impossible supplying the needs of an engine having been edited and with
the rpm increased to 6500 (as opposed to 5800rpm standard). By increasing
the rev limit, it increases the thirst of the engine, but this is overcome
with increased fuel pressure.



The increase in fuel pressure is acceptable for power figures of up to 280
flywheel kilowatts.



Essentially, the packages provide approximately 200, 220, 250 and 270+
flywheel kilowatts for Stages 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively.



We have developed the packages for people to pick and choose from. For
example, Stage 3 with camshafts and valve springs (no plenum), and the
engine is effectively stealth and you would not know - apart from the
exhaust - that it had been played with.



Alternatively, with the plenum, as soon as the bonnet is opened, you know it
is a serious piece of equipment.



All Nizpro Cobra N/A Stages are suitable for XR6, XT, Territory and all
other BA model 6-cylinder Falcon vehicles.



Hopefully this answers your questions, and we look forward to being of
service to you in the future.



Cheers.




An excellent reply I must say.
:)

[Merlin]

Thanks Dan

How much do you guys pay for the ls1 edit.

$1850 looks a little pricey just for edit???

[Danv8]

Thanks Dan

How much do you guys pay for the ls1 edit.

$1850 looks a little pricey just for edit???


A brazilian (maf/muffless tune edit)
Is around $1300 or so bucks depends where you get it done I guess.

[ozzyjim]

A brazilian (maf/muffless tune edit)
Is around $1300 or so bucks depends where you get it done I guess.

Is that with a custum tune? or off the shelf?

Cheers
Jim

[RATT]

Not to mention most Fords are not XR (just yet anyway).. and the V8's do kinda suck.. (heavy, guzzlers, 5000 rpm red line, not much faster stock, expensive etc).



5000rpm redline??

[clixanup]

Is that with a custum tune? or off the shelf?

That'd have to be a full custom tune.

You can get an off-the-shelf LS1 Edit tune for under $500 from at least one place I know of.

[paulvdb]

I got exactly the same customised reply from Nizpro. Hmmm :(

My question was WRT torque curve. They're speccing a peak torque at over 4000rpm. I want to know what it's like lower down.

[NinetySix]

They're speccing a peak torque at over 4000rpm. I want to know what it's like lower down.

"potato, potato, potato" :lol:

nah im sure it would be ok ... but bring on the graphs

[ozzyjim]

That'd have to be a full custom tune.

You can get an off-the-shelf LS1 Edit tune for under $500 from at least one place I know of.

Hell yeah thats allright!! And its what the capa flash should cost imo.

Cheers
Jim

[Bully]

Thankyou for your detailed explanation of the situation.



To be fair, the customers you're referring to are premium customers purchasing a top shelf car which has been hyped for the past 12 months. If I was ever affected by such a problem I'd expect no less - regardless of manufacturer. Several people on this forum have had their engines rebuilt under warranty by Holden and had a 'loaner' while the work is being done.



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I can personally assure you that HSV wouldnt do that - I did get a loaner when I put clubby in to have tailshaft balanced - proposed loaner- vr wagon - I dont think so Tim; ended up with a vz s ute demo, which was a piss off because it was an m6 & mrs isnt very good with gears!!!!! Hats off to FPV for doing that, although I think they may be a little harder up for sales than HSV.

[NinetySix]

Hell yeah thats allright!! And its what the capa flash should cost imo.

Cheers
Jim

capa flash/boss edit aint been around anywhere near as long as ls1edit tho...

how much was ls1edit when it first hit the streets?

[F6 Hoon]

Personally, I prefer the instant response of an NA engine. Turbo's are great but their throttle response is always soft. If the choice was this or a stock XR6 Turbo I'd prolly go this. It's just my preference keep in mind.



Have you driven a tuned XR6T? ;)