piston slap = dark side

[highlander_69r]

well like many other gen 3 owners out there i have a vy ss that now has piston slap and about to be rebuilt by holden.after considering other experiences of friends with the same problem and results makin their car worse i have decided to look more carefully at the xr8 who knows maybe its worth trading it in and heading to the dark side

[BlackClubbie]

But the dark side always loses mate !

[Danv8]

No matter what brand of car you buy you could end up with a dud. Fords quality is no better than Holdens really I rate them both the same.

[V82xist]

well like many other gen 3 owners out there i have a vy ss that now has piston slap and about to be rebuilt by holden.after considering other experiences of friends with the same problem and results makin their car worse i have decided to look more carefully at the xr8 who knows maybe its worth trading it in and heading to the dark side

How many Klms have you done and what was your build date?

[Brendan24688]

mmm Mate if you were i would be gettin the Boss Edit :D I have seen a GT that has now done a ET13.1. And i think the BA XR8's look awesome. And the IRS is better. So i would realy consider it mate.

[highlander_69r]

30k and 11/02 ,its auto

[Toa]

But the dark side always loses mate !
never underestimate the power of the dark side...lol

but yeah the BA XR's are kick ass looking cars, and sound great too

[VooDoo]

Of all the ppl i know that have had a rebuild (myself included) i dont know of a single one that isnt happy with the result. Mine even went up in power :)

[markone2]

:D I have seen a GT that has now done a ET13.1. And i think the BA XR8's look awesome. .


:eek: Interstate track / Blower equipped or G tech??

[V82xist]

30k and 11/02 ,its auto
Mines a June 03 with 36k and is nice and quiet.


have seen a GT that has now done a ET13.1
Hmm, I shall go looking for this guy when I'm at the drags next, sounds like he has more than an edit though :D

[Martin_D]

Heya Markone2 we had a manual one here in Adelaide - which I edited, with only a cat back, go 13.18 @ 110.7
They aint that slow

[flappist]

:eek: Interstate track / Blower equipped or G tech??
Yep, if it hasn't been seen at willowbank, it cannot be true.....

[markone2]

Yep, if it hasn't been seen at willowbank, it cannot be true.....

I believe I covered that ;) ......if you want to see a stock GT run 13.1 you'll have to travel out of Queensland

[flappist]

I believe I covered that ;) ......if you want to see a stock GT run 13.1 you'll have to travel out of Queensland

Well I would say that if you wanted to see a stock ANYTHING that ran 13.1 you would have to look at something that was not made in Australia.

But this wasn't stock, was it? It was bolt ons and an edit, you know, like most of the LS1s that normally turn up to the test and tunes.
There are several documented 12s that have been run in NA FPVs with bolt ons and at least 1 10 second XR6 turbo but then there are quite a few 10 second S/C LS1s about too.

I wonder if a reason there have not been too many 13 second passes at willowbank by GTs is that the edit has only been available for about 3 months and the only time the temperature at willowbank has dropped below 30 degrees since december is when it has been pissing down rain?

Remember that a lot of practice is required to attain the skill to do consistant quick passes. If it was easy then he who spent the most money would always win. You already know it is NOT easy.

Yourself and some of the others from Brisvegas on this forum spend a lot of time at the track and I suspect would be able to pull a quicker time in your cars than others driving identical vehicles.
At Calder there is a group calling themselves OFR who do the same but in Fords.

Maybe one day the two groups will meet on the same track.......

[geea]

well like many other gen 3 owners out there i have a vy ss that now has piston slap and about to be rebuilt by holden.after considering other experiences of friends with the same problem and results makin their car worse i have decided to look more carefully at the xr8 who knows maybe its worth trading it in and heading to the dark side

Like many people have said both makes have there problems, it all depends on how lucky you are. If you are going to have a look at the "Dark side" include the XR6Turbo in the cars you look at. The down side is that it will never sound like an 8. The up side is that if you intend to mod at all they give very good power for $ spent. If your looking at the XR6Turbo the auto is a good option as they appear quicker at the moment and don't go off boost in between gears.

Geea.

[Aus8]

Hey Geea! Sorry for the o/t but I see you have a new PB! 11.6 at 120mph! well done mate!

Aus8

[geea]

Hey Geea! Sorry for the o/t but I see you have a new PB! 11.6 at 120mph! well done mate!

Aus8

Thanks Aus8. :cheers:


Geea.

[Dacious]

Not enough examples of the XR8 have covered high enough mileages to have any idea of how it'll live long term or problems down the road.

A TOG Sgt I know had one on his squad. It used more oil than any recent SS they've had - 1.5 litres/1000km - and was getting noisier from the top end as time went by. Remember - they are one of the few mobs who drive these things hard consistently.

He also said it was starting to show real signs of age (diff, gears, suspension) despite the frequent servicing TOG cars get; compared to SSs which he said are mostly pretty good inside and out despite a hard life when retired. Even the Ford enthusiasts on the payroll didn't like it as much as the SSs and it wasn't a popular car to be rostered to. Not as comfortable on long shifts, not as stable or confident at speed.

It was reliable, but with the few faults it developed the dealer's didn't engender confidence in their abilities to fix, despite selling FPVs.

He volunteered this info without being asked. And no, he's not especially fond of Holdens - drives a Toyota HiLux privately.

[Roddy]

well like many other gen 3 owners out there i have a vy ss that now has piston slap and about to be rebuilt by holden.after considering other experiences of friends with the same problem and results makin their car worse i have decided to look more carefully at the xr8 who knows maybe its worth trading it in and heading to the dark side

The only Ford I'd consider is the 6T.

[MNR-0]

All IC engines have piston slap regardless of size or manufacturer. The difference between the LS1 and, say a Jap buzz box is the tolerances and power levels. For a German car you get a much tighter quieter engine that, although you can't hear any slap, is there but heavily engineered out.

Manufacturers have different techniques for managing this phenomenon. The brutal point is this - while the LS1 has all the latest computer and emissions management bolt-ons it is still a 50yr old SBC inspired design - muscle and brawn with the occassional fart.

[clixanup]

The brutal point is this - while the LS1 has all the latest computer and emissions management bolt-ons it is still a 50yr old SBC inspired design - muscle and brawn with the occassional fart.

The only thing that is common between the LS1 and the old SBCs is the spacing of the bore centres.

Everything else is new, not just the fuel system.

[highlander_69r]

Of all the ppl i know that have had a rebuild (myself included) i dont know of a single one that isnt happy with the result. Mine even went up in power :)




that said my uncle had 3 rebuilds and work mates with models vx through to vy2 have had multiple rebuilds and most traded them to ford without many hiccups at all i guess its all in the build

[paul05]

Not enough examples of the XR8 have covered high enough mileages to have any idea of how it'll live long term or problems down the road.

A TOG Sgt I know had one on his squad. It used more oil than any recent SS they've had - 1.5 litres/1000km - and was getting noisier from the top end as time went by. Remember - they are one of the few mobs who drive these things hard consistently.

He also said it was starting to show real signs of age (diff, gears, suspension) despite the frequent servicing TOG cars get; compared to SSs which he said are mostly pretty good inside and out despite a hard life when retired. Even the Ford enthusiasts on the payroll didn't like it as much as the SSs and it wasn't a popular car to be rostered to. Not as comfortable on long shifts, not as stable or confident at speed.

It was reliable, but with the few faults it developed the dealer's didn't engender confidence in their abilities to fix, despite selling FPVs.

He volunteered this info without being asked. And no, he's not especially fond of Holdens - drives a Toyota HiLux privately.
don't you mean 1.5/10000 not 1000,that would have better fuel consumtion than oil consumtion,unless it's a caribu. :lol:

[MNR-0]

Hmmm... I did say inspired, not evolved. Ah well...

[Gto_255]

Well I would say that if you wanted to see a stock ANYTHING that ran 13.1 you would have to look at something that was not made in Australia.

But this wasn't stock, was it? It was bolt ons and an edit, you know, like most of the LS1s that normally turn up to the test and tunes.
There are several documented 12s that have been run in NA FPVs with bolt ons and at least 1 10 second XR6 turbo but then there are quite a few 10 second S/C LS1s about too.

I wonder if a reason there have not been too many 13 second passes at willowbank by GTs is that the edit has only been available for about 3 months and the only time the temperature at willowbank has dropped below 30 degrees since december is when it has been pissing down rain?

Remember that a lot of practice is required to attain the skill to do consistant quick passes. If it was easy then he who spent the most money would always win. You already know it is NOT easy.

Yourself and some of the others from Brisvegas on this forum spend a lot of time at the track and I suspect would be able to pull a quicker time in your cars than others driving identical vehicles.
At Calder there is a group calling themselves OFR who do the same but in Fords.

Maybe one day the two groups will meet on the same track.......

Mate, dead stock LS2's are running 13.1!!

[flappist]

Mate, dead stock LS2's are running 13.1!!

Ah but are they doing it is Queensland? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[VooDoo]

Close.

13.3sec in a VZ clubbie, The owner had never run before in his life. Car was 100% stock from the factory. 0 mods.

[NODDY347]

well like many other gen 3 owners out there i have a vy ss that now has piston slap and about to be rebuilt by holden.after considering other experiences of friends with the same problem and results makin their car worse i have decided to look more carefully at the xr8 who knows maybe its worth trading it in and heading to the dark side

back on topic, i think you were unlucky to get a slapper as i was under the impression that the issue had been sorted by the vy series commode. I would get the rebuild and then make a decesion when you get the car back, if your not happy then check out other options.

[dazza]

Of all the ppl i know that have had a rebuild (myself included) i dont know of a single one that isnt happy with the result. Mine even went up in power :)

well you can add me to your list
5/03 vy/1/ss ute
rebuilt at 10,000 went down in power and started rattling its head of by 12,000 again . dont know what its doing now as some other sucker owns it .

[VX SS S2]

30k and 11/02 ,its auto

When and how did you first notice the piston slap problem?

And how much would it cost to get it rebuilt if it wasnt under warranty?

What would you contribute the problem to? Bad run in... hard life... too easy life? :confused:

[VX SS S2]

I emailed Holden on the piston slap problem and they told me the following:

On the 233rd day of 2001, they revised the Gen III by modifying the gudgeon pin clearance and used different piston and rings... to rectify the problem... :rolleyes:

However, after speaking with an ex-employee of Holden, this was only the major change in the engines... they have done on-going fix ups to the engine since it was released in the VT Series 2...

So seems the later one you get... the better they should get... :)

I was told it was only a small percentage of the build... but i suppose with so many sold... many to enthusiast... it's likely there will be a fair few problem engines... :(

[highlander_69r]

dont know what caused it really it started to sound like it had no oil in the top end sort fo what u woul normally hear for a few secs on a cold start up but it continues all the time, the eng started makin the noise at bout 30 000 k so run in for the engine cant really be a factor. i considered gettin a performance to rebuild it for me but the cost is 6g +.(basic rebuild) it is covered under warrenty but that isnt the point , the problem i have is the way that holden "fixes" the problem. so the only explanation i got is holden needs to look at how they are building gen 3s .it started in the vt2s and is still a prob no yes there is a vz with the prob and got 5k on the clock so there is still issues to b sorted by a less than quality manufacturer

[V82xist]

dont know what caused it really it started to sound like it had no oil in the top end sort fo what u woul normally hear for a few secs on a cold start up but it continues all the time, the eng started makin the noise at bout 30 000 k so run in for the engine cant really be a factor. i considered gettin a performance to rebuild it for me but the cost is 6g +.(basic rebuild) it is covered under warrenty but that isnt the point , the problem i have is the way that holden "fixes" the problem. so the only explanation i got is holden needs to look at how they are building gen 3s .it started in the vt2s and is still a prob no yes there is a vz with the prob and got 5k on the clock so there is still issues to b sorted by a less than quality manufacturer

Dude, Holden don't make the LS1/Gen3 they are sourced from Canada.

[Bully]

It all depends on who you get to do the build for you..... as we all know, some dealers are great, others, well........you get what I mean. Ask around on here for where a really good dealer is, get it fixed & then see what you think. Cars by nature are going to have problems, be they ford or holden, I even know of 2 seperate instances of terrible problems with brand new $70k + volvo's (yeh I know) that would make your problems pale in comparison, with the result in both instances being owners sold cars.
I guarantee you that after its rebuilt, it will be a different car. My clubby was really giving me the sh*ts with little niggling problems, changed dealers, problem fixed & now cant wipe the smile off my face. Goes in for a 'zaust tomorrow I cant wait. Anyway good luck with it whatever way you go I hope you end up being happy with whatever you drive!!!
Greg

[kaniSS-81]

Guys I know this will sound like a stupid question but what happens when the car piston slaps?

My VX when idling always wobbles and feels like its not firing right is this what it is ?