VT Supercharged S pack or SS

[Inter-ceptor]

Hey guys,
What do you think about this car? Performance wise and economy wise against an LS1.

How much would one be around for money wise? They look like a nice neat package and a level up from standard ecotec V6.

Comments?

[Bully]

Off the line they can give a std ls1 a run for their money (until the ls1 winds up!!!), but in the end you will regret not paying a little more for an ls1.
Thats my 2c worth anyway.

[VooDoo]

I know of a mint 'VX Calais for sale. LS1, $24k

[VX SS S2]

If you were looking to buy a VT S with a supercharged 6 or a VT Series 1 SS with the 5.0 litre... and if it's purely how quick you're going to get to 100km/h or the quarter... choose the VT 'S' supercharged... faster than the 5.0litre...

however...

If it's the Gen III you're looking at in the VT Series 2 SS... then choose that for sure... just be careful on choice as seen in the massive amounts of info on piston slap...

The 'SS' will cost you more than the 'S' initially, but remember it will always have the better re-sale than the 'S' becuase the 'S' is so mild in the VT in terms of looks and features over the Exec that it will be worth very little more...

The 'SS' is the whole package too remember, not just a bigger engine...

[Nawdy]

I owned a VT S/C 6 SS (Bermuda Blue) for a while. Nice car, goes quite well with a few mods but give me an LS1 anytime! If you are looking at a series one, go the 6 for the above mentioned reasons, plus the fact the car handles better (the VT was never designed with the 5.0 litre in mind) and you can't go past that S/C whine.

Did you know you have to run a minimum of PULP in Super 6's? It a real pain in the boondocks, let me tell you!

[VX SS S2]

1 more important thing to note:

The VT 'S' Supercharged engine NEEDS to be filled only with Premium Unleaded... and based on the fuel consumption of the 'S' (only a couple of litres per 100 less in the city and about the same in the country) the difference in fuel consumption between the 'S' and the 'SS'... the extra money you will be spending on premium for the 'S'... you could run an SS with the LS1 on normal with more power....

Also, from checking insurance prices for myself (also considering the same scenario) the supecharged S seems to be the same cost as the SS...

[Mongy]

Just another point to ponder, they are a good car, there is no disputing that and some people are happy with them, but others never stop wishing they brought the V8. You really have to decide which are you going to be, the guy who is going to be happy with the S/C 6 for quite a while, or the guy who will wish he brought the SS after a few months of owning the S/C 6, because it will be an expensive mistake if you are. I think I know the answer, because you are already thinking about the SS. :confused:

[Swordie]

Stock there would be about $4000 difference between the VTII S6 and LS1. As someone mentioned a S6 uses unleaded and will probably cost as much to run as an LS1. Stock the S6 will feel a little stronger off the mark, an LS1 with a diff change will feel stronger again. There is probably more bang for buck modifying the LS1.

An extra $4000 may sound like a lot, there is probably on a small differnce in loan repayments.

[Inter-ceptor]

Well I never owned a V8 so I will certainly not miss it... the VS ecotec is the most powerful car I ever got to drive on a daily basis. So having a SC with it will certainly make me smile.

Its sucks that it must only run PULP but as far as IM concerned I think it will still be much cheaper to run SC 6 than a 5 litre or an LS1 V8.

As far as performance wise, many of you said it can match the Ls1 of the mark... thats plenty for me.. i aint a racer... maybe a 60 KM zone racer :D

Its just I might need a car for myself as the car I drive at the moment is shared...

This looks awesome:

http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedCarID=705906&TabID=3328&Alias=carpointau


For anyone who lives in Melbourne, you reckon I could find one like this for about 15 grand at Lowes or Jupps auctions?

[oz_utester]

guys i think the question he is asking is this;

compare for me;
the s/c 6 s pack
and the s/c 6 ss (available in VT)

against the ls1 SS's.

[Inter-ceptor]

guys i think the question he is asking is this;

compare for me;
the s/c 6 s pack
and the s/c 6 ss (available in VT)

against the ls1 SS's.

Sorry thats correct. I was a bit unclear.
the s/c 6 s pack
and the s/c 6 ss (available in VT)

Not an LS1 or 5 litre V8.

[oz_utester]

well it comes down to trim and equipment levels and any sort body kit differences between the two (Vt s and Vt ss).

and in regards to comparing the s/c 6 against the ls1 as you first asked, well that was covered above by the other guys.

[Inter-ceptor]

Thanks guys. If i end up buying a new car it may as well be the SC 6 VT S or SS.

[Tron2004]

As far as performance wise, many of you said it can match the Ls1 of the mark... thats plenty for me.. i aint a racer... maybe a 60 KM zone racer

This is gonna sound totally biased... but I haven't had ANY V6 SC keep up with me away from the lights. I had some guy who thought he could and he tried a second time from the next set of lights, but he finally realised he didn't quite have the goods.
LS1's rocket away... provided they're "launched"!!! :D

[oz_utester]

This is gonna sound totally biased... but I haven't had ANY V6 SC keep up with me away from the lights. I had some guy who thought he could and he tried a second time from the next set of lights, but he finally realised he didn't quite have the goods.
LS1's rocket away... provided they're "launched"!!! :D
i think they were refering to 304's

[Inter-ceptor]

This is gonna sound totally biased... but I haven't had ANY V6 SC keep up with me away from the lights. I had some guy who thought he could and he tried a second time from the next set of lights, but he finally realised he didn't quite have the goods.
LS1's rocket away... provided they're "launched"!!! :D
Thats cool mate, maybe when I have a house I could buy myself the latest HSV with LS20 :D Heh

Na seriously... Im not in it for the "I have a faster car therefore I have a bigger dick" contest, I just want a nice looking car that has some balls :)

[black_friday]

ive seen supercharged v6's as cheap as $16500 private

[Tron2004]

Thats cool mate, maybe when I have a house I could buy myself the latest HSV with LS20 :D Heh

Na seriously... Im not in it for the "I have a faster car therefore I have a bigger dick" contest, I just want a nice looking car that has some balls :)
Yup... I know wot you mean.
I drool every time I look at my huge poster sized Yellow GTS pic I have hanging in my garage. :drool:

[dave007]

How does the BA Falcon XT compare against the VT supercharged 6? In terms of 0-100km/h, doesnt the VT SC do low 7's, and the BA does low to mid 7's? So therefore they would keep up with eachother? Or am I totally of the track??

[Bully]

A mate of mine had a vt s/c6 ss, sold it & got a vy ss (obviously ls1). His comments were in no particular order: heaps more power, better fuel economy(even around town!!) plus doesnt HAVE to run on pulp, easier to drive, just a more comfortable car.
If its between the s/c6 and 304, go the s/c6, but remember, it doesnt take long to get used to the power even though you have only driven an ecotech6, and for my money, I'd lash out for the ls1. Dont forget, ls1 was available on exec etc on vt, which you should be able to get for around the same sorta money as what you are looking at. You can always add suspension parts, bodykit etc & end up with a better package anyway than an ss.
Thats my 2c worth, good luck

[craigoh]

ive seen supercharged v6's as cheap as $16500 private

I got my VT s/c 6 for $15,000

[VX SS S2]

From what you have said, i think you would be happiest with the S/C6 in just the 'S' pack.... remember you have logged on to ls1.com.au so it is fairly likely that most of us are going to be pro the ls1....

Looking at it purely from what you've said, it sounds like you've convinced yourself of the S/C6 and i think the cheapest package (which also sounds like a priority) for this is the 'S' pack which apart from less sporty seats, milder body-kit and a few other features less, will still be a far better package than the VS and i think you would be very happy.

And just to be pedantic... assume that Premium is 10c higher than normal unleaded... the factory stats according to the Glass Guide for a '99 VT 'S' Series 2 S/C6 is:
Highway - 7.6 ltrs/100
City - 13.0 ltrs/100

It has a 75 litre tank, assuming the tank is dry, at $1.05 (premium) a litre it will cost you $78.75 to fill the car... and the tank (if you were doing highway driving) will run dry again at 987kms... costing roughly $7.97 per 100 kms...

The same year in an SS (with the Gen III) uses:
Highway - 8.5 ltrs/100
City - 13.0 ltrs/100

Assuming the fuel was exactly $0.10 cheaper than the premium it would cost you $71.25 to fill the car... and the tank if you were doing highway driving would last you 882kms.... costing you $8.08 per 100 kms...

So at the end of the day, country driving will cost you 10cents per 100 kms more in the S/C6 and you wont have as much overtaking power... and in the city, you will find both cars use the same according to factory stats...

But in a few reveiws i have read in Drive.com.au... it seems that you would be better off with the ls1 in the city AND the country, purely becuase of the premium you're paying for.... premium.

I know that these are factory stats on fuel usage and the Gen III can use more... but from reading this forum... the stats on the Gen III really aren't that far off, and i know the S/C6 can use just as much over those stats in City traffic as the Gen III can.

I just think the fuel excuse is not a valid one if comparing these two vehicles... but it sounds like you've convinced yourself anyway, enjoy the car you buy and make sure you will have no regrets...

In saying this, the S/C6 in the 'S' pack is still a great package...

See a MOTOR mag from a few months back for a past blast i think it was for a reveiw...

[Nawdy]

Its sucks that it must only run PULP but as far as IM concerned I think it will still be much cheaper to run SC 6 than a 5 litre or an LS1 V8. Your assumption is incorrect. I've been there and done that, and the Super6 costs about the same fuel-wise as an LS1 and less than a 5.0 litre. Just because it has two less cylinders or a smaller capacity doesn't automatically mean it's more fuel efficient - this is the sort of thinking exhibited by the great unwashed and old school know-alls. Technology in cars has come a long way since this thinking rang true. Having to run PULP all the time can be a real pain.


As far as performance wise, many of you said it can match the Ls1 of the mark... thats plenty for me.. i aint a racer... maybe a 60 KM zone racer :D Don't fool yourself mate - maybe up to 40km/h if you are up against an M6 LS1 (auto vs manual), but after that, no contest. Maybe you aren't a racer, and plenty of LS1 owners aren't either.

You also stated that you have only ever driven 6's - you will find driving a S/C 6 bit of a step up ----> :) but step up to an LS1 ----> :D :D :D :lol: . All I can say is test drive both, and then come back and tell me I'm wrong.

And if you have a choice, go the SS. Better value for money in the long run.

[VX SS S2]

Your assumption is incorrect. I've been there and done that, and the Super6 costs about the same fuel-wise as an LS1 and less than a 5.0 litre. Just because it has two less cylinders or a smaller capacity doesn't automatically mean it's more fuel efficient - this is the sort of thinking exhibited by the great unwashed and old school know-alls. Technology in cars has come a long way since this thinking rang true. Having to run PULP all the time can be a real pain.

Don't fool yourself mate - maybe up to 40km/h if you are up against an M6 LS1 (auto vs manual), but after that, no contest. Maybe you aren't a racer, and plenty of LS1 owners aren't either.

You also stated that you have only ever driven 6's - you will find driving a S/C 6 bit of a step up ----> :) but step up to an LS1 ----> :D :D :D :lol: . All I can say is test drive both, and then come back and tell me I'm wrong.

And if you have a choice, go the SS. Better value for money in the long run.

I 100% agree with the above post :) ... going from a VH SLE with a 4.2 V8 on LPG :rolleyes: ... to a 5.7 V8... on fuel... was my biggest concern with running costs being so high... :eek:

and to tell you the absolute truth... i have been nothing but pleasantly surprised by the fuel economy... range between 9-10 ltrs/100 on the weekends driving around, to 12-13ltrs/100 during the week travelling on the Monash every morning (literally stopped in some areas).

You won't regret the SS based on fuel consumption.

[Swordie]

I think the S6 needs to be considered for it time. When released (around the VS) it was very competitive for it's time compared to the 5.0. It had around the same power as the standard 5.0 and it was perceived as more fuel efficient (that's litres per 100). I don't think many people would of sat around and calculated unleaded (for the 5.0) compared it to the premium (for the S6).

When the VT was released it appeared Holden was waiting for the LS1. Also Ford had it's 5.0 in the EL and AU, in standard form it was close to the S6. When the LS1 hit it changed all the performance dynamics for both and Ford and Holden. When the VX released the S6 was an option in Berlina and Acclaim, its exclusiveness was reduced.

When the LS1 hit salary packaging of cars was starting to accelerate, interest rates were lower (allowing more to be borrowed) and the cost of having a high performance cars did not seem as prohibitive.

The S6 probably reached it’s peak in terms of performance relative to other cars in the VS.

[VX SS S2]

I think the S6 needs to be considered for it time. When released (around the VS) it was very competitive for it's time ...The S6 probably reached it’s peak in terms of performance relative to other cars in the VS.

I agree totally... but when considering which vehicle to buy in terms of SC6 vs. LS1... you said it... the LS1 set a new standard in what is expected from a V8 performance vehicle... and in terms of VT Series 2, it's an aged engine proved even more so by the fact the Ecotec has been replaced by Alloytec.

[Inter-ceptor]

Wow, this place is a gold mine of info!

So in the long term its still better to save up for an SS VT II LS1 cos resale value will be higher and also the overall economy is pretty much the same?

Heaps to consider :confused:

[Bully]

Wow, this place is a gold mine of info!

So in the long term its still better to save up for an SS VT II LS1 cos resale value will be higher and also the overall economy is pretty much the same?

Heaps to consider :confused:
You got it dude, spend the extra & go the ls1!!!!!! :D
BTW did you expect to get a different answer than that considering this is an ls1 based forum??? :lol:

[Inter-ceptor]

You got it dude, spend the extra & go the ls1!!!!!! :D
BTW did you expect to get a different answer than that considering this is an ls1 based forum??? :lol:
Hah why did I even bother? :lol:

[Nawdy]

Wow, this place is a gold mine of info!

So in the long term its still better to save up for an SS VT II LS1 cos resale value will be higher and also the overall economy is pretty much the same?

Heaps to consider :confused:

Simple answer - yes.

[jed55]

Had a VX Berlina Super 6 and a vt2 clubsport which I used to alternate on same trips. In city running the 6 would use around 15l/100 and the clubby would use around 16l/100. Highway was low 8's for the 6 and low 9's for the clubby.

So fuelwise there isn't enough of a difference between them for it to be an issue when deciding which one to get. If you like getting into it, both would drop into the 20's but you will get there quicker in the ls1. :D . Sounds better too. :) .

[ruffie]

hi inter-ceptor

i was after a s/c 6 just as u r . then when i started ringing arround for insurance i found out that the ave. price (in syd ) was about $200 p/a more to fully cover than a gen iii , i went for a vx exec gen iii , which was about 1/2 the premium of a ss . now i have a 2001 vx exec ,that can pull a 13.4 with a hsv cat back exhaust & a mafless tune from dick. no other mods

all i am saying is to keep you options open ( go for the gen iii )!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Inter-ceptor]

Ok guys, thanks a lot. I think Ill just have to save up... ill be back in 2 years :D :bash:

Cheers for the info dudes! :)

[motomk]

As has been mentioned, insurance can be nasty!
A good way around it is to look into a Calais or a Berlina. One lot was nearly double the insurance on an SS compared to a Berlina.
Super 6's can be had as Calais's back to VS series II and Berlinas as VT II's.
There are a few rare VX execs and Acclaims with super 6's in them too.
The Super 6's come up at those auctions mainly as Calais's or they used too.

motomk

[super6vt]

im one of the people that regret gettin the s/c 6. and they didnt come out in manual. but they r fun when modded. but not as fun as an ls1 manual with exhaust and edit.
my 2c

[Inter-ceptor]

im one of the people that regret gettin the s/c 6. and they didnt come out in manual. but they r fun when modded. but not as fun as an ls1 manual with exhaust and edit.
my 2c
I decided a while ago to get a VX SS II or Exec II with an LS1.

But I want an auto so I think theres more options for me out there in choice of cars :)

[antvt]

im a sc6 driver, and i gotta admit, im pretty happy with the car. has some power behind it, sounds good with the sc 'whine' and a good exhaust. and they respond quite well to mods. there has also been a lot of development in the way of mods for the sc6. take a look here - www.v6supercharged.com.au.
some great products, and some awesome vids showing the possible potential of the sc6. but in the end it is up to u and wat u think you will be happy with.