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IgottaLS1
01-04-2005, 03:15 PM
This was taken from today's Drive.com.au


Falcon hits a six
The Sydney Morning Herald
Friday April 1 2005

A gearbox once exclusive to Jaguars and Aston Martins is destined for locally made Ford sedans, writes JOSHUA DOWLING.

Ford will have the most technically advanced automatic transmission in an Australian-made car when an updated Falcon goes on sale in October.

In a major coup, Ford's performance and luxury models will be available with a six-speed automatic transmission - the first time such a gearbox has been fitted to a locally made car.

Significantly, Ford will leapfrog Holden, which amid much fanfare late last year released a five-speed automatic gearbox for its V6-powered performance and luxury models.

The Falcon's six-speed automatic is being sourced from the respected German transmission specialist, ZF.

Ford Australia will not confirm what changes, if any, are to be made to the Falcon later this year to bring the range into line with the latest emission standards, as well as to give it a visual freshen-up before Holden releases an all-new Commodore in March next year. (An all-new Falcon is not due until 2007).

A number of Ford Falcon GTs with German number plates have been spotted in the car park at ZF's German head office and Drive's European sources have confirmed they are being tested with the new six-speed transmission.

The Falcon's six-speed automatic will be far more expensive than the humble four-speed auto it replaces.

For this reason, Drive understands the six-speed will be reserved for the upstream models such as the Fairmont Ghia, Fairlane and LTD and the performance models such as the XR6 Turbo, Typhoon, XR8 (pictured) and GT. It is expected the rest of the range will retain the four-speed auto.

Other makers to use the Falcon's new six-speed automatic include Jaguar and Aston Martin - brands owned by Ford's luxury division, the Premier Automotive Group.

Drive believes that Ford has used its enormous buying power to lower the costs and enable such an expensive and technically advanced gearbox to be fitted to Falcons.

Ford was forced to fit an expensive ZF gearbox because no other automatic could comfortably and reliably handle the huge power outputs of Ford's latest range of engines.

The shift to a ZF gearbox is certain to take Holden by surprise, in more ways than one: first, that Ford is prepared to get such an exotic transmission and, second, that it can afford it.

Ever since the disaster that was the AU Falcon, Ford has adopted a policy to be a technical leader wherever possible. The AU Falcon was built to a price - and it showed - while the BA was built to a higher standard of excellence at a substantial cost.

Fortunately, Ford's investment has been rewarded with stronger Falcon sales, although the company says there is still room for improvement on the sales charts.

RICHO
01-04-2005, 03:45 PM
It'll make the cars a much nicer drive, but weight is still going to be an issue that blunts performance...

In the S-Type Jag (supercharged 8) a 298kw engine + 1800kgs + the ZF transmission only equates to claimed 0-100m times of 5.6secs and I doubt a magazine has ever managed to match those times.

So unless it comes with less weight or power power Holden are still going to hold a performance advantage

TJS-81
01-04-2005, 03:49 PM
Great move by Ford! It should be a nice step forward in fuel economy, drivability and performance.

NODDY347
01-04-2005, 04:35 PM
I'm curtain that i read that the zf six speed that is destined for oz is a more compact and lighter box than the vunerable btr 4speed that is uses now, so as long as ford don't add some more fat elsewhere weight may drop slightly. Nothing significant though.

pagey
01-04-2005, 04:45 PM
Fools..............

RICHO
01-04-2005, 04:51 PM
Why Fools??

It's in Ford's business and product development plans...has been for 2 years

BlueVZSS
01-04-2005, 04:57 PM
I suspect that the VE will be getting a six speed auto also. Can anyone confirm that it will be the X15R?

http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/tech/pdf/rwd_6speed.pdf

Phido
01-04-2005, 05:20 PM
This was a very obvious move.. BTR/Ion is dying, so is the 4 speed.. Ford US has already been using the ZF 6 speed in falcon priced trucks for years. Ford makes them now.

Should make a great diffrence to the car, smoother, faster, lighter, better economy, lower NVH, much more driveable. 6 speed auto models will be highly desireable. It won't blow 1/4 times away, but factional .1-.3 second improvements are certainly possible.

It will also allow engines with more torque and higher RPM limits. Not to mention also fit the AWD system of the territory.

rednut99
02-04-2005, 12:51 PM
I can see bosted turbo sixes with 6-speed autos running stagering 1/4 mile times, if they aren't the best value for money performance car yet, they will be with the ZF :D

Can you imagine? Where else can you get a ute with 6 speed auto and an affordable Phase II upgrade making 270 at the wheels! Pretty awesome stuff!

gto015
02-04-2005, 01:50 PM
Wonder whether it will be strong or just as weak as all the other ford gear box's

ExAreSix
02-04-2005, 03:02 PM
Wonder whether it will be strong or just as weak as all the other ford gear box's

Well they've been putting this box behind 390kw/580Nm V12 engines... I don't think strength will be an issue somehow?

lowriding
02-04-2005, 09:04 PM
I can see bosted turbo sixes with 6-speed autos running stagering 1/4 mile times, if they aren't the best value for money performance car yet, they will be with the ZF :D

Pretty awesome stuff!

Staggering ? Having a 6spd auto wont help you out much on the 1/4 !
Infact it may even slow the time due to extra gearchanges - check out how many drag cars run 2 spd powerglides for example.
I'd be very surprised if 6 spd auto cars ran any quicker- but you never know .
Economy gain would be the big benefit IMO.

GM also are building a new 6 speed hydra-matic that was announced about 2 years ago.

From Wards Auto :

" ..General Motors Corp. will build an advanced 6-speed automatic transmission at a former WWII bomber plant in Willow Run, MI, preserving nearly 600 jobs. The plant employs roughly 4,000 hourly and 400 salaried workers. The investment will cost GM $300 million.

The new Hydra-Matic 6-speed automatic, says Homi Patel, vice president of GM Powertrain, is earmarked for “up-level rear-wheel-drive cars and light trucks.” Production begins in 2005 for '06 models.

The facility currently produces 4L80-E and 4T80-E 4-speed automatics and components for other GM automatics.

This 6-speed is not to be confused with the 6-speed automatic GM and Ford Motor Co. announced last October they would develop jointly, says Patel. That transmission is meant for transversely mounted engines fitted primarily in front-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive vehicles. The 6-speed automatic to be built here is meant primarily for longitudinal engine/RWD vehicle platforms, although it, too, can be used for AWD layouts....."

regards
lowriding

Phido
03-04-2005, 08:00 AM
You can get away with a 2 speed transmission if you have gobs of power and don't care about driveability.

The 6 speed should see some reduction in times for the fords, mostly due to a more reasonable 1st ratio, closer ratios across all other gears and the new trans being smarter, faster, smoother etc.

6 speeds are the new standard for transmissions. With in 5 years all new cars will have six speed transmissions. Even Korean cars and small hatch backs..

I belive the ZF trans is rated to 650 Nm of torque and is able to handle ~7000 rpm in its current state. Thats plenty of development room for Ford OZ..

GM has a six speed auto as well, but it looks a while off, unproven and maybe for just the V8's.

The thing about the ZF box is that its been used in top of the line Jags, BMW's, astons etc.. and its proven to be a great box.

rednut99
03-04-2005, 10:34 AM
Wonder whether it will be strong or just as weak as all the other ford gear box's

THe BTR 4-speed won't grenade in a standard car, never has. It is actually renowned for its relative strength, its only midified cars that are blowing them to pieces. With a Phase 3 making over 700nm, its only 10% more torque than the ZF can handle, and there are lots of Phase 3 XR's getting around with upgraded clutch packs in there otherwise standard 4-speed and they hold together fine. IIts the heat from slipping that breaks them, not the actual torque.

VeeTee346
03-04-2005, 01:04 PM
Fantastic move by Ford, kudos to them. The ZF has been widely praised. This is a coup for Ford.. will be interesting to see what it does for sales. First came the ride of a BA being described as better than an E-Class, now this!

Hooray that the moonshot 1st gear ratio (established when they lowered the final drive ratio way back in the ED Falcon if I'm not mistaken) will finally be gone. And driveability and economy should be something else.

My mate owns a '04 Jag S type V8 (with the ZF 6 speed) and looks down on anything Holden/Ford. I will enjoy breaking him the news. Already :stick: him that Ford owns Jaguar..

VTberlinaWAGON
03-04-2005, 01:33 PM
Yeh i heard this about 2 years ago, they are meant to be much much lighter, smaller and a hell of alot stronger than the current box!

Rohan

chevypower
03-04-2005, 05:33 PM
It's the same auto tranny used on the Discovery3

NODDY347
03-04-2005, 05:56 PM
I agree that the reliability and longevity of the btr 4sp is much better once the clutch packs are upgraded and line pressure is increased but the only reason they have had reasonable reliability in std form throughout the au-ba V8 history is because of torque truncation.

Without this the btr auto in std form would have a shortened lifespan in this application. I have seen as much as 6+ degrees (auiii) of timing pulled out of the engine in wot applications from idle to take torque loads off the auto. Ford has done well to get by on the btr box to the current model.

My cars engine timing at wot from idle goes straight to 19 degrees and stays there until 3500rpm which it then continues on at 25 degrees.

Edit will fix this issue but i will be playing with fire.

Does the Holden 4sp auto have torque truncation of some sort?