Harrop Entry Level Brake kit

[The Nurse]

I noticed some while back that Harrop has an entry level brake kit coming out soon, what does the kit consist of and what sort a dollars are we looking at?

Cheers
Andrew

[HRT 8]

When I bought my 356mm kit from them a couple of weeks ago Ken and Chris were telling me about it. Pics too.

Entry level will be 343mm front and rear rotors wiith 4 spot calipers all round. The callipers dont look like the current callipers they use either.
Price, going of the spec sheet is $3500 plus fitting.

[Ken]

Yep ... we have 2 low-cost solutions coming.

There is a "upgrade kit" which consists of replacment rotors and caliper slide-brackets, possibly with new flexible lines.
The front rotors are vented 343 x 28mm, & the rear rotors are solid 332 x 16mm. The new slide-brackets are to accomodate the bigger rotors. The standard pads can be used. This kit is currently on a couple of our vehicles for durability testing, with the intention releasing into production within the next 2 months.
Price will be approximately $1,600.

There is an "entry level 4 piston kit" which we are currently tooling up. It consists of vented 343 x 32 front, and vented 343 x 28 rear, with 4 piston calipers all round.
We intend to have these available during June.
Price will be approximately $3,600.
:D

[MNR-0]

Nice. Please keep us updated. My rotors are screwed and I would prefer to buy your product than the PBR one as it performs better on the stat sheet.


Cheers

[The Nurse]

Both those setups sound really good, keep us updated on how they go.

[Immy]

Waiting for the entry level 4 piston kit. :burnout:

[Beej]

Hi - great news! The "upgrade kit" sounds like what I am looking for - 2 questions though:

1) Would the "flexible lines" be braided?

2) Will the rotors be slotted?

Cheers,

Beej

[Ken]

Hi - great news! The "upgrade kit" sounds like what I am looking for - 2 questions though:

1) Would the "flexible lines" be braided?

2) Will the rotors be slotted?

Cheers,

Beej

Both options will be available ... at a small fee. :D

[Red CV8 R]

Yep ... we have 2 low-cost solutions coming.


There is an "entry level 4 piston kit" which we are currently tooling up. It consists of vented 343 x 32 front, and vented 343 x 28 rear, with 4 piston calipers all round.
We intend to have these available during June.
Price will be approximately $3,600.
:D

With this kit will you include pads, fluid and brake lines? I assume it will be like your other kits where slotting of the rotors and painting of the calipers will be optional?

[Ken]

With this kit will you include pads, fluid and brake lines? I assume it will be like your other kits where slotting of the rotors and painting of the calipers will be optional?

It will include the friction pads. It will utilise the standard original lines, but braided lines will be/are available ... optional. Painting and slotting are also optional.

The reason we offer them as optional is that there are so many variations available, we find many customers have their own preference brand for fluid, preferred slotting pattern, specific colour etc. It would be extremely difficult to keep all variations in stock ... so we offer the "vanilla" flavour, and then ask "would you like sprinkles on that?".
:D

[Red CV8 R]

Ah Ok, thanks for the response. I await this package's release.

[The Nurse]

Ken: Thanks for all your responses so far, they are very informative and you seem to really know your stuff. I really enjoyed the Harrop supercharger article in motors hot tuner - straight to the point with all the facts.

Another question about the entry level 4 piston brake kit, looking at the website the setup as you've described sounds very similar to two pairs of 99-KC15R17-VT standard front brakes.

How does the entry level kit differ to these and how come the entry level kit is so much cheaper ($3600 opposed to 2x $2,686.20) it sounds like a killer deal!

Cheers
Andrew

[Ken]

Ken: Thanks for all your responses so far, they are very informative and you seem to really know your stuff. I really enjoyed the Harrop supercharger article in motors hot tuner - straight to the point with all the facts.

Another question about the entry level 4 piston brake kit, looking at the website the setup as you've described sounds very similar to two pairs of 99-KC15R17-VT standard front brakes.

How does the entry level kit differ to these and how come the entry level kit is so much cheaper ($3600 opposed to 2x $2,686.20) it sounds like a killer deal!

Cheers
Andrew

Thanks for the praise .... it's easy for me to appear knowlegable when I'm surrounded by a team of very skilled & passionate guys that I work with ... :D

The differences are in the design & manufacture ... we have designed them explicitly for the VT-VZ using some novel design concepts that will enable the manufacture to be extremely efficent ... without compromising function & quality ... efficent manufacturing equates to less cost.
They will also not be hard-anodised which is a significant cost saving ... the existing product range is hard-anodised. (The calipers we supply to HSV are not).
Another saving is in the rotor design - 1-piece instead of 2-piece rears.

The biggest saving is in the quantity ... we are pricing them at a level that we hope to sell a larger volume, therefore we can ammortise the R & D and tooling over a larger number ... the more we sell, the less they cost.
;)

[The Nurse]

Ken: thanks, that sounds great.

I know I will be buying a set later in the year once I get my trip O/S out of the way

[hdj105]

They will also not be hard-anodised which is a significant cost saving ... the existing product range is hard-anodised. (The calipers we supply to HSV are not).


Ken,

I suspect the "hard anodised" process is not just for looks ;) What does hard anodising mean to the masses?

[FatBoy]

Ken, i intend building an Improved Production VX Commodore in the very near future. Given their weight, can you recommend a suitable package ?? I know of a VT running Porsche brakes and i'm guessing you guys can come up with something even better ?? :)

Cheers,
Paul...

[Ken]

Ken,

I suspect the "hard anodised" process is not just for looks ;) What does hard anodising mean to the masses?

The hard anodising advantage is at least 2-fold ...
1 - VERY hard surface which ensures the bores will never wear from the hardened stainless pistons moving in them. Hard anodising is not the same as decorative anodising (typically seen on hose-end fittings etc).
2 - The anodising as an extremely good "corrosion beater". Uncoated aluminium will oxidise and the hard anodising protects the entire surface as it is done after machining, whereas when painting the machined surfaces are usually masked.
:teach:

[Ken]

Ken, i intend building an Improved Production VX Commodore in the very near future. Given their weight, can you recommend a suitable package ?? I know of a VT running Porsche brakes and i'm guessing you guys can come up with something even better ?? :)

Cheers,
Paul...

Hi Paul ...
Yep ... I'm sure we can come up with something :D
Give Damian a call on 03.9474-0900 or email damian@harrop.com.au and he will put together a quote for a package to suit the application & budget. I suspect there are some catagory rules that need to be considered.
;)

[FatBoy]

Thanks Ken - i'll give Damian a call this afternoon. Thanks for the quick reply too... :)

Cheers,
Paul...

[dadem0n]

Is the $1500 entry level really just a "wheel filler"?? Do you have to move to 4spot for a big jump?

Is there a measurable improvement over standard brakes even though stock calipers are used?

Thanks mate

[Ken]

Is the $1500 entry level really just a "wheel filler"?? Do you have to move to 4spot for a big jump?

Is there a measurable improvement over standard brakes even though stock calipers are used?

Thanks mate

Hi Dadem0n ...

Yes ... there is a measurable improvement. We have not had it on a brake dyno (yet) but the rotors are 16% bigger with improved cooling. There is a noticable improvement, but not as big as jump as going to 4-piston all-round.

Cheers ...
:)

[Ken]

It will include the friction pads. It will utilise the standard original lines, but braided lines will be/are available ... optional. Painting and slotting are also optional.

The reason we offer them as optional is that there are so many variations available, we find many customers have their own preference brand for fluid, preferred slotting pattern, specific colour etc. It would be extremely difficult to keep all variations in stock ... so we offer the "vanilla" flavour, and then ask "would you like sprinkles on that?".
:D


OK ... We now have these "Standard Plus" (entry level) upgrade kits (http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/brake_assemblies/harrop_standard_plus.html) IN STOCK!.

And ... I got it wrong ...
We WILL be supplying new lines with them as some model vehicles will need them in some suspension travel circumstances, and it would be negligent\dangerous to supply the kit and rely on the installer to determine if new lines are needed.
The good news is that it is all included in the $1,500 price.
:D

[team illucid]

Ken

now you are just teasing my tax dollars :)

[VooDoo]

OK ... We now have these "Standard Plus" (entry level) upgrade kits (http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/brake_assemblies/harrop_standard_plus.html) IN STOCK!.

And ... I got it wrong ...
We WILL be supplying new lines with them as some model vehicles will need them in some suspension travel circumstances, and it would be negligent\dangerous to supply the kit and rely on the installer to determine if new lines are needed.
The good news is that it is all included in the $1,500 price.
:D


Thats great value for bigger brakes. Would be interesting to see how they go in some spirited driving with some decent pads behind them. I'd say these would be better than the C5 330mm/315mm upgade even with the better front caliper that is used.

[Gareth@Willall]

Can you purchase the rear caliper brakets and disks by them self? Oh and the rear lines.

Gareth

[Ken]

Can you purchase the rear caliper brakets and disks by them self? Oh and the rear lines.

Gareth

In a word ... No.

It would be negligent of us to sell only fronts or only rears, as the braking balance of the vehicle would then be compromised.
In fact, we have now implemented a company policy of not even selling fronts-only for road cars unless there is a proportioning valve change (or similar) as we do not want to be responsible for uncontrolable braking. We understand and accept that we may lose some market share because of this policy, but it is the only responsible and ethical solution ... and we do not want to be trying to justify contributing to an accident in a coroners court!
:( :eek:

[Chris52]

In a word ... No.

It would be negligent of us to sell only fronts or only rears, as the braking balance of the vehicle would then be compromised.
In fact, we have now implemented a company policy of not even selling fronts-only for road cars unless there is a proportioning valve change (or similar) as we do not want to be responsible for uncontrolable braking. We understand and accept that we may lose some market share because of this policy, but it is the only responsible and ethical solution ... and we do not want to be trying to justify contributing to an accident in a coroners court!
:( :eek:


Good call Ken. Integrity is a business' best policy.

Cheers

Chris.

[Gareth@Willall]

In a word ... No.

It would be negligent of us to sell only fronts or only rears, as the braking balance of the vehicle would then be compromised.
In fact, we have now implemented a company policy of not even selling fronts-only for road cars unless there is a proportioning valve change (or similar) as we do not want to be responsible for uncontrolable braking. We understand and accept that we may lose some market share because of this policy, but it is the only responsible and ethical solution ... and we do not want to be trying to justify contributing to an accident in a coroners court!
:( :eek:

I only ask as I have an ADR approved front only kit at the moment and this would be a cost effective upgrade for my rears to fill out the 19's....... I cant see how it would upset the balance from what it is now :confused: I can see where you are coming from tho.

[Ken]

I only ask as I have an ADR approved front only kit at the moment and this would be a cost effective upgrade for my rears to fill out the 19's....... I cant see how it would upset the balance from what it is now :confused: I can see where you are coming from tho.

There are always exceptions to the rule ... ;)
What is the front-only kit you have which is ADR approved?

[Gareth@Willall]

There are always exceptions to the rule ... ;)
What is the front-only kit you have which is ADR approved?

Its a Cebco AP 4 spot (330mm disks) kit (your competitor hence why I didnt state what it was) Has all the paperwork to go with it saying its ADR'ed. Came with replacement pads and disks for the rear only...... Never had one issue with brake bias or dangerouse operation (touch wood)

[Ken]

Its a Cebco AP 4 spot (330mm disks) kit (your competitor hence why I didnt state what it was) Has all the paperwork to go with it saying its ADR'ed. Came with replacement pads and disks for the rear only...... Never had one issue with brake bias or dangerouse operation (touch wood)

I guessed it was ... (We like the competition). It is a shame that the (old) ADR for brakes (ADR-31) was so relaxed and vague, especially when compared to the ADR-11 for "Internal Sun Visors" or ADR 15 "Demisting of Windscreen" or ADR 50 "Front Fog Lamps". :D

A couple of points of interest ....
- If you stand on the brakes in an emergency situation, I am confident that the fronts will lock/skid/pulse before the rears. If this is the case, then the brakes are not balanced and can become uncontrolable. If its not the case, the "upgrade" .... wasn't.
- Unless the vehicle tested (for the ADR certificate supplied) was the same make, model, year, specification (manual/auto/sedan/wagon/ute/options) etc, then the "kit" you have is not ADR-31/01-2.1 approved. It may be ADR-31 compliant for a specific vehicle, but not approved to the current ADR-31/01-2.1 for all applications. :(


I am not intending to knock the product you have as it obviously works well for you, but I would like to dispell the myth of this "ADR approved" claim by some of our competitors.

;)

[seldo]

In a word ... No.

It would be negligent of us to sell only fronts or only rears, as the braking balance of the vehicle would then be compromised.
In fact, we have now implemented a company policy of not even selling fronts-only for road cars unless......snip :
I guess that explains why you ignored my PM'd enquiry....

[Ken]

I guess that explains why you ignored my PM'd enquiry....

Hi Seldo ...

I didn't ignore it ... I didn't get it. :(
Just checked now (in case it was full) and do not have anything from you. When did you send it?
It may be quicker to email me directly ... ken@harrop.com.au

I will ALWAYS respond ... sometimes a bit slow tho'. ;)

[seldo]

Hi Seldo ...

I didn't ignore it ... I didn't get it. :(
Just checked now (in case it was full) and do not have anything from you. When did you send it?
It may be quicker to email me directly ... ken@harrop.com.au

I will ALWAYS respond ... sometimes a bit slow tho'. ;)
That will certainly explain it then as it is certainly not what I have seen of Harrop's excellent service in the past.. Thanks Ken, I'll email you direct. :)

[seldo]

Thanks Ken for your prompt email sorting that out for me :)

[smoke]

Hi ken, your standard upgrade kit ($1500) sounds the go! Can you confirm that i can also buy upgraded calipers to suit this kit (at a later date)? thanks.

[Ken]

Hi ken, your standard upgrade kit ($1500) sounds the go! Can you confirm that i can also buy upgraded calipers to suit this kit (at a later date)? thanks.

Any caliper that fits the standard bracket will be suitable, but we have no intention of making our own unit. We can supply new calipers if required.
I am not sure if there is an upgrade path for these ... so in the interest of not wanting to mislead you I suggest not. :(

[smoke]

Ok Thanks For That

[Hammer]

just out of curiosity ken, being in the trade (not a toolmaker like your team) but still up there, how are you making the rotors and calipers ? are you making them via cnc..... or making them via die cores ?


cheers,
Always wondered how dics were constructed....

[Ken]

just out of curiosity ken, being in the trade (not a toolmaker like your team) but still up there, how are you making the rotors and calipers ? are you making them via cnc..... or making them via die cores ? cheers,
Always wondered how dics were constructed....
Depending on the model, the calipers are die-cast or sand-cast & heat treated (in our own casting facility) then CNC machined, hard anodised, painted if required, assembled, and tested.
The rotors are cast (not in-house, but using our tooling & material spec/formula) aged & heat-treated, CNC turned & ground.
It's all good fun. ;)

[Hammer]

indeed it is. im sure you all have those monster big ass haulers on your car too eh ;)

where i work now for a food place installing a new conveying system got a nice box of food :)

[MRVZSS]

Hi Ken,

I am interested in the Entry level brake kit for the VZ SS (Auto).

Would this kit provide Ideal stopping power on the street and ensure no brake shudder will occur?

I understand each driver is different, and being an auto there is more relliance on the brakes as opposed a Manual vehicle, what do you reckon?

Cheers,

George

[Ken]

Hi Ken,
I am interested in the Entry level brake kit for the VZ SS (Auto).
Would this kit provide Ideal stopping power on the street and ensure no brake shudder will occur? I understand each driver is different, and being an auto there is more relliance on the brakes as opposed a Manual vehicle, what do you reckon?
Cheers, George

I may be biased ;) :lol: ...
The "Standard Plus" upgrade is a significant improvement over the OE units, and we have had VERY positive feedback from those who have installed them. No-one who has bought them have had any negative comments. :cool:
Brake "shudder" is more a result of wheel bearings and driving characteristics than of the brakes design ... regardless of manufacturer. If you do a search on "DTV" there is some good information on this forum.
I can certainly recommend them, based on my own experience and on the feedback we have received. Give Damian a call on 03.9474-0900

Cheers ... Ken.

[gen3ss]

Harrop Plus

Are you able to get this kit with the 66 groves??? :D

[Ken]

Harrop Plus

Are you able to get this kit with the 66 groves??? :D

Absolutely. We will do them to (almost) any specification you desire ... at a price. ;)

[TANNO]

Ken you sound like you would make an excellent politician. Can you answer a simple question DO YOUR BRAKES SHUDDER (not the ones on your car) but the ones you are selling.

[TANNO]

One week later and still no reply.

[VooDoo]

The more correct question would be "Do Brakes Shudder?"

I think you can make any brake setup shudder with the wrong setup, pads, bedding in proceedure, poor tyres, flatspots, overheating etc.

Its a loaded question. Of course you could have brake shudder but i dont believe its a feature they build into the kits.

[pagey]

One week later and still no reply.

hmmmmm... first post eh? :hmmm:

I think you will also find that Ken has 1 or 2 things on his plate atm.. and has also stated that he very rarely has the time to check the forum... of course you would know that if you had been here for more than 30 minutes trying to put sh!te on people.

If you are that desperate for an answer.. perhaps make use of those new fan dangled devices below.
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/freshwater/pictures/t746.jpg

[Uncle Tone]

One week later and still no reply.

Not worth replying to in my opinion :nutkick:

[Ken]

One week later and still no reply.

The question was answered before you asked it. As I previously stated "If you do a search on "DTV" there is some good information on this forum" it will save several pages of repeat information. :rolleyes:

Ask a valid question, and I will answer it to the best of my ability.
:)

[TANNO]

Just like a politician a whole lot said but no reply to the original question, and i can see you have full support from your cabinet.

[VooDoo]

Nope, he has the full support of members who know how to use the search feature of the forum and not re-ask the same questions over and over.

I can see your gunna be a whole lot of fun here.

[pagey]

I don't think we need worry much about the legendary Tanno.. he/she won't be here for long with that attitude.

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[TANNO]

Thanks guys you've been a great help

[Uncle Tone]

Thanks guys you've been a great help

Well, we do try..... :wave:

[dattoman1000]

I build brake shudder into all of my kits...... keeps the customers coming back. Nothing like that repeat business

Brakes get the blame but rarely cause the problem.

You think shudder is designed into a brake package ? I'm not sure how that is even possible.

[TANNO]

All i did was ask a question (ok i'll admit it was a bit direct), one week later i still hadn't got a reply. Then all you guys start with smart arse answers. I thought this forum was going to be helpful and informative, everyone seems to be smarter than me and it sounds like you guys have all the answers but no one wants to share them. It must be a case of just pick on the new kid on the block.

I didn"t suggest anyone build shudder into a brake kit but if the kit had any to see if they could engineer it out of it instead of blaming dtv, most of the imported brake kits don't seem to suffer as much as the kits produced here

[seldo]

All i did was ask a question (ok i'll admit it was a bit direct), one week later i still hadn't got a reply. Then all you guys start with smart arse answers. I thought this forum was going to be helpful and informative, everyone seems to be smarter than me and it sounds like you guys have all the answers but no one wants to share them. It must be a case of just pick on the new kid on the block.

I didn"t suggest anyone build shudder into a brake kit but if the kit had any to see if they could engineer it out of it instead of blaming dtv, most of the imported brake kits don't seem to suffer as much as the kits produced here
I guess it all depends how you ask the question. It's just the same as if you burst into a party where you don't know any one and ask in a loud voice if anyone wants a root. You'll probably do far better if you at least chat to a few of the ladies first.....;)

[Uncle Tone]

I guess it all depends how you ask the question. It's just the same as if you burst into a party where you don't know any one and ask in a loud voice if anyone wants a root. You'll probably do far better if you at least chat to a few of the ladies first.....;)

BLAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHRRRRR!!!!!!! :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :booty: :p :nutkick:

[TANNO]

Uncle Tone your a gem :booty:

[dattoman1000]

Imported brake kits are usually multi opposing piston designs..... dtv usually occurs on sliding caliper setups
Imported stuff is probably better engineered than local stuff in some cases.
Imported stuff usually isn't intended for local produced cars.

[Ken]

Imported brake kits are usually multi opposing piston designs..... dtv usually occurs on sliding caliper setups
Imported stuff is probably better engineered than local stuff in some cases.
Imported stuff usually isn't intended for local produced cars.
and ... there is a major local vehicle assembler who is experiencing the worst brake shudder they have ever seen ... using an imported caliper.
Again ... (for Tanno's sake :rolleyes: ) ... the brakes are the symptom, not the sickness.
An analogy would be going to the doctor because you have diarrhoea and the doctor tells you that you have a stomach bug ... there is nothing wrong with your bum. I suspect Tanno would argue that the doctor is wrong ... Tanno's bum must be faulty cause that's where it hurts!
:p

[team illucid]

An analogy would be going to the doctor because you have diarrhoea and the doctor tells you that you have a stomach bug ... there is nothing wrong with your bum. I suspect Tanno would argue that the doctor is wrong ... Tanno's bum must be faulty cause that's where it hurts!

ROTFLMAO !!!! classic :)

[NickS]

Is it just me or does every thread that UT posts in eventually end up talking about male rear ends :confused:

:booty:

[pagey]

Is it just me or does every thread that UT posts in eventually end up talking about male rear ends :confused:

:booty:

Oh Dear.. I think I might be in trouble with UT again...

but funny bum joke nonetheless

[pagey]

and ... there is a major local vehicle assembler who is experiencing the worst brake shudder they have ever seen ... using an imported caliper.
Again ... (for Tanno's sake :rolleyes: ) ... the brakes are the symptom, not the sickness.
An analogy would be going to the doctor because you have diarrhoea and the doctor tells you that you have a stomach bug ... there is nothing wrong with your bum. I suspect Tanno would argue that the doctor is wrong ... Tanno's bum must be faulty cause that's where it hurts!
:p

Thats the way Ken.. you do have a sense of humour after all!! :lol: :D

Just like the circus really... clowns always make me laugh too. :D

[TANNO]

That' right KEN change subject

[Uncle Tone]

and ... there is a major local vehicle assembler who is experiencing the worst brake shudder they have ever seen ... using an imported caliper.
Again ... (for Tanno's sake :rolleyes: ) ... the brakes are the symptom, not the sickness.
An analogy would be going to the doctor because you have diarrhoea and the doctor tells you that you have a stomach bug ... there is nothing wrong with your bum. I suspect Tanno would argue that the doctor is wrong ... Tanno's bum must be faulty cause that's where it hurts!
:p

Here we go.....wonder how long it will take? :rolleyes: :(

[Uncle Tone]

Is it just me or does every thread that UT posts in eventually end up talking about male rear ends :confused:

:booty:

Yep, not long at all. :(

[Uncle Tone]

Oh Dear.. I think I might be in trouble with UT again...

but funny bum joke nonetheless :mad: :mad: :mad: :slap: :nutkick:

[Uncle Tone]

That' right KEN change subject

Sorry Tanno, but subject still on track. :p

[Ron]

Oh Dear.. I think I might be in trouble with UT again...

but funny bum joke nonetheless

Did you mean Butt funny bum joke pagey ?

Dont mention OTRCAI to Tone then :stick: :hide: :lol:

[TANNO]

Its seems to me :confused: some half wits are one level beyond everyone else

[Ron]

Its seems to me :confused: some half wits are one level beyond everyone else
no body is forcing you to come back and read it ................. :booty:

[dattoman1000]

Do you have a point Tanno ?
An insight into the brake industry and engineering that you'd like to share ?
A way of making all our brake shudder woes go away ?

Please help us sort this problem out once and for all.
The boys on XR6T forums would love to know..... they have a 40 page or so whinge thread over there about it too.

[Jezza@HDTCQ]

You ask silly questions TANNO, you get silly answers.

Go away...

someone had to say it

[XLR8 V8]

Its seems to me :confused: some half wits are one level beyond everyone else

TANNO,
Your IP address seems to have a good set of matches to another user who also likes to visit Harrop's threads .... hmmmm
Surely you wouldn't be using 2 accounts? As everyone knows doing so gets you banned from the forums

[SS2DIE4]

I wonder if i might be able to ask a sensible question. (probably not) but have the entry level 4 piston kits been released yet?

also, someone mentioned that they look different to previous harrop calipers. any where i can get a glimpse, or wanna post a pic?

thanks ken

[Ken]

I wonder if i might be able to ask a sensible question. (probably not) but have the entry level 4 piston kits been released yet?
also, someone mentioned that they look different to previous harrop calipers. any where i can get a glimpse, or wanna post a pic?
thanks ken
Always happy to answer real & relevant questions (as best I can) ... ;)

As with all projects, we do a significant amount of design validation and certification. We have done a pre-production run of the new design, and have discovered there is an even better result possible by introducing some further improvements in our manufacturing process. We are currently modifying the tooling, and expect to do the next die-trial & pre-production run within a couple of weeks.

Happiness is looming ... :D

[SS2DIE4]

sounds excellent!

please keep us upto date with how they're going, and when pics are available. hopefully they'll be ready when i need them!

just one more thing, how would expect them to compare performance wise to that of say the premium 4 piston setup on the HSV's?

cheers

[Ken]

sounds excellent!
please keep us upto date with how they're going, and when pics are available. hopefully they'll be ready when i need them!
just one more thing, how would expect them to compare performance wise to that of say the premium 4 piston setup on the HSV's?
cheers

Performance will be very similar ... slightly better balance and less squeal.
;)

[SS2DIE4]

sounds like a winner. the only thing you want squealling is the missus! ;)

just as long as theres no brake shudder... :D