For Sale / Wanted Classified Section.

[Sidewindr]

Some recent events with Users having problems with completing purchases/sales transactions that were advertised on our For Sale section has necessitated an official reply and warning to all users of the forum.

There is NO buyer protection offered by the Forum or it's affiliates with respect to classifieds posted on the forum, the rule as with any purchase is BUYER BEWARE. The Classified section has been compared with e-Bay and its processes but this is not an accurate nor a fair comparison as the forum only provides a classifieds section not a complete trading solution. The Forum Classifieds offer the same protection that any local or national newspaper would offer for their classifieds, if you get ripped off by someone advertising in the newspaper classifieds the newspaper is under no obligation to protect buyers.

[team illucid]

I would just like to add that we as a forum should not let a few bad apples ruin anything - I myself have bought a few things through the forums and never had trouble as have others I know - maybe as a group we can help each other out by acting as "escrow agents" for each other - an example

seller lives in ACT
buyer resides in QLD

there are certain members voted by other forum users as trustworthy who can oversee the purchase in each state and they could accept the money and exchange the goods so that at least there is no hassles (on that part) ...

The trusted third party (escrow agent) then onsends the item/money to the respective parties ...

As I said it is just a thought .. any other ideas anyone?

[SCOTTR8]

I would just like to add that we as a forum should not let a few bad apples ruin anything - I myself have bought a few things through the forums and never had trouble as have others I know - maybe as a group we can help each other out by acting as "escrow agents" for each other - an example

seller lives in ACT
buyer resides in QLD

there are certain members voted by other forum users as trustworthy who can oversee the purchase in each state and they could accept the money and exchange the goods so that at least there is no hassles (on that part) ...

The trusted third party (escrow agent) then onsends the item/money to the respective parties ...

As I said it is just a thought .. any other ideas anyone?

this could work well with just 1 member for a small city like canberra and a mumber of members to cover the larger cities. a small handling fee could be paid to the agent to cover their time. if this helps a forum member not getting ripped off it must be a good thing. iam sure sonny didnt need the agro of the last 5 weeks.

cheers scott

[COOKIE!]

Once again this is all being blown out of control. There is no need for anything to change as long as people are being honest...


I have sold about 20 manifolds on this forum in the last week or so and have not had one problem, All people have given me the money before getting the item and all have got what was stated when it was stated.
If people want to go over the top with things like this then why bother with the "For Sale" Seaction at all.

One bad egg dosnt mean the chicken is Farked does it.

All i have to say is if there were people out there that weren't tools this post wouldnt be up, and some people wouldnt be as worried about buying things off this site.


Anthony

[VooDoo]

Is there any reason why the section cant be moved into the validated section?

This ensures at least 2 other validated members personally know the member (and they are also known).

It then gives the validated members an additional benifit to being validated in the first place and gives them another level of protection.

[VX2VESS]

Is there any reason why the section cant be moved into the validated section?

This ensures at least 2 other validated members personally know the member (and they are also known).

It then gives the validated members an additional benifit to being validated in the first place and gives them another level of protection.

yes that was my suggestion in the problem thread. as i said some ppl only post to sell stuff that gotta be a little suspect to start with. would buy unless has some idea ppl knew them or could be trusted somewhat.

[VX SS]

Once again this is all being blown out of control. There is no need for anything to change as long as people are being honest...


I have sold about 20 manifolds on this forum in the last week or so and have not had one problem, All people have given me the money before getting the item and all have got what was stated when it was stated.
If people want to go over the top with things like this then why bother with the "For Sale" Seaction at all.

One bad egg dosnt mean the chicken is Farked does it.

All i have to say is if there were people out there that weren't tools this post wouldnt be up, and some people wouldnt be as worried about buying things off this site.


Anthony

You sold 20 manifolds in one week, I think you should read the sticky on classified selling this is not in the spirit off what it was setup for. Read in particular Elmis's post

[Doug]

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Err... funny that, I actually picked up a LS6 manifold from iwantahsv the other night...

... the item was priced comparative to other units sold on the forum (that I hadn't been quick enough to pick up before), yet also came with fuel rails and injectors, which most others haven't. Anthony also seemed like a good bloke. I didn't feel like I was being ripped off, and was happy to hand over my money.

[RIDE:42]

easy fix don`t buy or sell to non-validated ppl

[chops]

Is there any reason why the section cant be moved into the validated section?

Rather than that, which cuts down the market for the goods, maybe only that SELLERS must be validated. As all ads are quarantined first anyway, this shouldn't be too hard to implement.

Then, goods should only be sent after money is received from purchaser (validated or otherwise).

No money, no goods sent, it's easy to control the buyers side.

Of course this is all merely a suggestion, if the powers that be feel there is no problem with the current arrangement then I'm sure it will stay the way it is.

[ROGUE]

Having the sellers as validated is a good idea. Nice one chops :)

[SV300]

Yeh thats not a bad idea.

Some other forums let you only advertise for sales if you have posted and are known.


Validated Only members can post in "For Sale" section.



James

[Sidewindr]

Once again this is all being blown out of control. There is no need for anything to change as long as people are being honest...


I have sold about 20 manifolds on this forum in the last week or so and have not had one problem, All people have given me the money before getting the item and all have got what was stated when it was stated.
If people want to go over the top with things like this then why bother with the "For Sale" Seaction at all.

One bad egg dosnt mean the chicken is Farked does it.

All i have to say is if there were people out there that weren't tools this post wouldnt be up, and some people wouldnt be as worried about buying things off this site.


Anthony



The Classifieds are not for buinsess to use to try and circumvent the sponsorship rules. 20 Manifolds in a week is alot and you'd be making a bit off that. It sounds like you are using the forum to make a quid and not giving anything back ... this simply is not on.

[Sidewindr]

I can easilly make it so that only Validated users can post in the Forsale Section .. it reduces the number of sellers however but if it is considered a generally good idea then it can be done. It would also promote validation as well ;)

[Padina]

I can easilly make it so that only Validated users can post in the Forsale Section .. it reduces the number of sellers however but if it is considered a generally good idea then it can be done. It would also promote validation as well ;)

I agree. Start a vote on this mate and see how it goes. :D


Cheers...:D

[seldo]

All it requires is for some honesty on both parts.
I bought some shocks from a forum member a while back and whilst I wanted to pay him by net-bank before he sent them, he insisted that he wanted to do it cod. So he sent the stuff off by cod and I went to pick them up at the post-office and handed the bloke an envelope with the exact amount I'd been told. He looked at me blankly and handed back $300 and said "no, you only owe me $25.60..." I tried to argue with him but he insisted that was all i had to pay...So, I took the goods, rang the seller and said I'd got them ok, they were on my car, and told him to let me know what the Post Office said when he went to get his money........ He rang me back a few days later and said that he hadn't been paid because the Post Office stuffed up the cod thing...Doh! So, I paid him by net-bank as I'd wanted to do in the first place... Mind you, in truth, if the Post Office had paid him in full I would have had a cheap set of shocks... ;)

[untamd]

Well a suggestion is we should have a Trader Feedback Section like Ausrotary.com which members can follow up on past transaction and dealings to see if it was a smooth one or a bad one, and if people would reccomend doing business with them again. It works really well on that forum. But thats a suggestion. Here is a link to the section.

http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=b42ab8f0b92f321dfc6aff0260b9094d




Veasna

[Nawdy]

I think the idea that only validated members can sell is a good one. I have been extremely hestitant in the past to purchase items from the "For sale" section due to a lack of confidence and trust in sellers (not saying everyone is dishonest but, lets face it, most of us wouldn't know each other from a bar of soap on the street if we passed each other). Handing over $$$ to an unknown party you've "met" on the internet really is a leap of faith. Having this system in place would give buyers the confidence to purchase from the "For sale" section knowing that a seller could be found if required.

Maybe my attitude/outlook isn't the best on this subject, but that's what you get when you have been stung and, even worse, been accused of being a liar on Ebay. Ebay blows.

[VooDoo]

Having only validated members being able to post but not actually moving the FS forum to the validated area is a much better idea. Non-Validated members can still trade if they choose (via PM) or you can setup vBB3 to allow validated to post new threads and all members able to reply to the threads. Non-Validated members get to see a benifit to validation rather than it being hidden in a section they cants see and validated members dont reduce the chances of selling an item.

Sounds like a winning plan to me :)

[OscarTheGrouch]

Yep. sounds like a good plan to me too...

The other option is to setup a trader rating system...

[strife]

I dont think the change is warranted, for the few occasions something goes wrong, i had the same issue once with a validated member so what does it give you ?

[HRT Stroker]

Sidey has already hit it on the head.

1. It is a FREE service.
2. No different than classifieds in print media.

Whilst it is never good to hear of people getting the raw end of the stick, in the three years I have been on hear I have personally only heard of two real hassles that weren't resolved in the end.

[Sidewindr]

Yep. sounds like a good plan to me too...

The other option is to setup a trader rating system...


You can use the reputation feature for this already.

[VooDoo]

Not if you already gave a member some rep points already.

You might have seen a good/bad post elsewhere and then done a trade with a member. You then cant add to thier rep unless you spread it around more. ATM i find the same members are posting quality, some of the same posting crap and cant give/remove rep as ive already given it on other posts.

[Devil CV8]

Not if you already gave a member some rep points already.

You might have seen a good/bad post elsewhere and then done a trade with a member. You then cant add to thier rep unless you spread it around more. ATM i find the same members are posting quality, some of the same posting crap and cant give/remove rep as ive already given it on other posts.
You've noticed that as well....... it leads to giving rep to posts that are ok (not outstanding) just so you can vent to a bad post.

[Sidewindr]

It was a typo .. only 2 manifolds not 20...

[Sidewindr]

Not if you already gave a member some rep points already.

You might have seen a good/bad post elsewhere and then done a trade with a member. You then cant add to thier rep unless you spread it around more. ATM i find the same members are posting quality, some of the same posting crap and cant give/remove rep as ive already given it on other posts.

It is all about balance ;)