HSV pretenders?

[cev]

Hi all, just wondering what is everyones opinion on people who decide to spend a lot of money on making a standard Commodore look like a HSV?

Im not writing this to offend anyone. I understand some people cant afford at the time a HSV or SS so they spice up their Exec just a bit. I even had a little thought just before I bought my car to body kit up a blue exec if my finances were low (I quickly forgot that idea though). But is it a bit silly when they spend so much on it that they could of bought an actual V8?

I have heard of someone recently who spent a lot of money on a body kit, wheels and suspension on their standard red VX Executive. So much money that they could of bought a VX SS and even came close to buying a VT Clubsport or something.

I see so many VT's and prob more VX's done up in this way in Sydney. Ive also noticed they think they have a bullet in their hands or something and embarass themselves when they try and run a WRX or something.

Is the problem fuel usage? If so, I dont think these people realise how close the 6 and 8 is on fuel economy. I get better economy on the freeway than a mate who has a Ford sixer! Insurance? Once an insurance company sees them 18" wheels and lowered body kit, the insurance premium would go up anyways!

My friends call these people just 'wannabes' or 'pretenders'. I sympathise with them but not to the extent were there gonna spend so much money on it for nothing. To each his own I guess and again im not flaming or making fun of anyone, am just puzzled a little after hearing such a story on the money spent to make a standard car look like something its not.

Also why is it that hardly any VY's have been body kitted up??? I have only seen a total of ONE. Quite strange when u consider how many VX's of this manner there is out there.

[jsttry]

Each to their own. Everyone likes their car for a particular reason. Some people may only think of the bodykit afterwards, otherwise may only be able to afford an exec and then come into money later to put a kit on.

V8's aren't always that easy to insure. I had a VS V6 with $8k worth of accessories and could insure it without a problem, but as soon as I mentioned I wanted a V8 no one would talk to me at the time because of my age. A lot more insurers will look at a V6 Exec with body kit than a V8.

[oz_utester]

yeah well consider how many vk group a 6cyl are running around, or vn ss grp a 6cyls. it happens always has.

and vy's are still more common as company/lease cars. the vx's were sold off cheap, a year or so back...

[Waughy]

I don't mind the kits, they make a plain old commodore look nice. It's the ones that put the HSV badges on the cars, including the boot/bonnet ones that for some reason annoy me, and you can tell pretty easy it's not real. If it isn't a true HSV, stop pretending it is.

[dominik]

I don't mind the kits, they make a plain old commodore look nice. It's the ones that put the HSV badges on the cars, including the boot/bonnet ones that for some reason annoy me, and you can tell pretty easy it's not real. If it isn't a true HSV, stop pretending it is.Well said. There are a few V6s my area with HSV style bodykits and they look fine. The only thing I'd question is when spending on the superficial stuff gets to the point where it'd make more sense (at least to me) to just put that dough aside for a VX HSV and go the trade in route.

[BlueVZSS]

I don't mind the kits, they make a plain old commodore look nice. It's the ones that put the HSV badges on the cars, including the boot/bonnet ones that for some reason annoy me, and you can tell pretty easy it's not real. If it isn't a true HSV, stop pretending it is.

Have to agree there....putting the HSV badges on make it rice.

[Danv8]

Like the others said each to their own.
But I have seen some crook commodes in my time (as with everyone else) I saw a white VN/VP Commodore with a VT HSV body kit on it it was terrible. And that Red VL with the VY front end slapped on it. I don't mind body kits on cars as long its nothing like fast and the furious styles.

[VooDoo]

A bodykit can make a boring car look nice but there is a limit. VX/VY kits on VN's dont work. Trying to fake a HSV doesnt work. (ie badges, body kits and a V6)

I dont mind Monaro front ends on VT/VX's. A few yrs ago it was all the rage to put a stato front end on cars. They didnt try and be anthing other than what they were.

I have a Grange front bar going on my car but i'll never try and call it a grange.

[Bully]

It really doesnt bother me too much, but it does take away that exclusivity from owning an HSV, if you are putting a bodykit/ spoilers on a car, please dont make it out to be a clubsport or whatever. Thats one advantage a monaro has over HSV, any mug can make an exec look like a clubby, but you cant make a 4 door commy look like a monaro. Not a nice feeling when you fork out about $60k for a clubby & somebody pulls up alongside in an exec that deadset looks like the real thing, but only cost half the price......until the lights are green & then the difference is obvious :burnout:

[Pickles]

I guess that one of the things that is so great about this country of ours is that we can do exactly as we like,and that obviously extends to what sort of car we choose to drive,& what we do to it.There are plenty of customised Commodores around,some have had heaps spent on them,some not very much,-some of those are sensational cars,some are absolute shockers. But the thing to remember about a genuine HDT or HSV Commodore is that it is a Genuine "FACTORY" car,which has a pedigree,and which should have a reasonable resale value.Another point to bear in mind is that lots of executive's,ex police cars etc,that I've seen, have had so much money spent on them,as a consequence of which,they owe their owners far more than they would have paid for an HDT or HSV.Whilst it's cheaper initially to buy an exec etc,in my book,it would be bettter,to perhaps go without a car for a while & save up for the genuine factory car,because in the long run,this is invariably the cheaper option.Whilst the resale value of all cars will vary from time to time,it's generally better on a factory car than a privately modified one.But in the end,as I said,it's your choice.

[Tez82]

Yeah I agree, body kits make any car look great... But its those like you sometimes see in the Street Commodore mag, like this guy making an exact replica of the Maloo R8, to the finest detail using a bog stock V6. This guy said he spend all up including the car $45 grand, with no engine mods what so ever. But putting badges ie V8 or 255 etc makes it rice for sure, just like guys putting all those decals on like NOS blah blah when its not... When you look at the cost for the genunie kits, wheels etc you are looking already over 10 grand... Most fibre glass kits out there are cheap and nasty (ebay). If you are looking at getting a body kit stick to your particular model ie VT means you should get VT Clubsport kit not VX or even VY otherwise it starts looking a bit funny.... well thats my 2 cents anyways...

[phillipg]

I have owned my self both HDT & HSV cars, and yes they were both special, but due to financial reasons at the moment can only afford a V6, but it is a factory car much like HSV & HDT, came out of the same shop just with 2 less cylinders, I think it finishes a car off with a good bodykit if you cant afford the real thing, but dont put the HSV badges on it, just leave it plain, remove all badges looks better.

[V6Mub]

i have a vt v6 calais,which i have de-badged and fitted a vt clubby kit to,but in no way am i trying to have people believe its a hsv,being only 18 at the time a hsv was never on the cards....(something about 5.7ltr's of holdens finest in the hands of a p-plater they didn't like :) ) but i did add those chev badges which i thought looked real nice but not being the genIII you guys prob won't like that :D

[PepeLePew]

When I bought my VX SS I priced up doing a LS1/M6 exec up and just gave up when the dollars got so similar....though the end result is I have an SS that looks a little different to everybody elses when I could have had something a bit more unique...

BUT if I had of done it? NO BADGES.

[Marco]

I wonder about this sort of thing too. Spending so much money on a cheaper car that you might as well have bought the more expensive one in the first place. Anyone else remember people five or six years ago buying Excels and spending up big to the point where there were people offering turbo kits for them?

I read a forum for Opel-based Holdens as well as this one, and there are far too many people in there spending too much money on Astras in the hope of making them into some sort of performance beast. A nice car they are; but if you want to go really hard, get into something that goes hard in the first place. As the owner of a totally stock Astra, every time I wander into that forum and point this out to them, I tend to get howled down.

[Jac001]

when i was shopping for a VS exec (late 96/early 97), i came across a guy selling a VR "SS" with a V6! Swore till he was blue in the face that is was a rare factory option.... very rare cos it was the only one i had ever seen!

[Knight Phlier]

I am suprised that most cars that you see with an aftermarket kit is always a HSV lookalike. Wether it be a VS with a VT front end or a VX Executive with a SV300 kit on it. There are not that many "unique" aftermarket kits available for cars - and this is becoming boring.

I like the SSX front end alot - Mainly because I don't see it much on the road.

[Bully]

when i was shopping for a VS exec (late 96/early 97), i came across a guy selling a VR "SS" with a V6! Swore till he was blue in the face that is was a rare factory option.... very rare cos it was the only one i had ever seen!

I may be wrong but I believe that they did make a 6cyl version of the SS in VP, VR, & a s/c V6 version of the VT I SS.
Perhaps somebody could correct me if I am wrong, but did it have something to do with homologation for production car racing?

[Marco]

There was definitely a V6 VP SS - one was tested in Motor in 1992. I didn't think it had made it through to the VR, but it's possible that it did.

[JoshoMarc]

The word 'rice' when referring to the little cars, means???????

[muzza]

Nah - only V6 SS ever officially made was the VT S/C SS.

Tied to the auto gearbox so as not to embarrass the 5.0 VT SS too much. :lol:

[cev]

There WAS definitely a 6 cylinder VP SS but there was NO 6 cylinder model SS for the VR and VS. The supercharged V6 made its way onto the SS name with the VT.

May sound silly, but what does SS actually stand for? Ive heard different opinions, Super sports, Super sedan, Sports sedan and etc.


I don't mind the kits, they make a plain old commodore look nice. It's the ones that put the HSV badges on the cars, including the boot/bonnet ones that for some reason annoy me, and you can tell pretty easy it's not real. If it isn't a true HSV, stop pretending it is.


I agree. This is ridiculous. If your in Sydney, a few dealers along Paramatta Rd flog off body kitted up Commodores with HSV "Sportsclub" badging. I just laugh. But anyways as said they can be annoying but when that light goes green, the king of the pride will be known! These same kind of dealers also try and sell SS and XR8's in which they stated to my mate to be ex-cop cars, but in manual. Were any police cars manual? We didnt think so but could we be proved wrong?? Then again they do sell geniune ones at a cheap price too actually.

Its all good also if people buy an Executive and then a year later have money to fancy it up a bit, id personally make it a sleeper and do engine mods, but I dont like it when they put the HSV badges. Most people with these body kits take off all the Exec and V6 badges at least. I am sure Holden dont care as they make money from it, but they could even sell the badges only to people with a correct HSV VIN number as they do with most mechanical parts. This wont ever happen though, they sell the badges at the Lions Den and Holden merchandise stores.

Has anyone seen in the Sydney CBD, a red HSV ute that reads 360 on the badge? I thought it was 260 but on closer inspection was 360. When used to work out Ryde way, saw a silver ute with a 300 badge on it, the Holden symbol was more like a statesmen kinda one.

[VZSS250]

This whole saga has reached a point where it is virtually impossible to recognise a genuine VS HSV. It amazes me how many kits were sold for this model.

[muzza]

Cev, you are right (and I'm not!) there WAS a 6 cyl SS back in VP days - found it on Redbook in
1991 http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesearch/price.asp?key=HOLD91HT
and
1992: http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesearch/price.asp?key=HOLD92GC
and
1993: http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesearch/price.asp?key=HOLD93BQ

Guess they ditched them for VR onwards.

What I cant understand about body kit fitters is that with the Genuine SS/S kits looking rather good on VT onwards, why you'd want to go get a crappier looking and fitting HSV knock off kit? (That'll crack if you hit something)

I'm not one for kits as such (preferring the more stealth approach) but I think the VT SS onwards are bloody smart lookers for a showroom car.

Even the HBD stuff looks tidy and integrates well with the body shape

[Animal]

HSV is just a badge guys, who really cares ?

[Gareth@Willall]

Ive got a 01 VX SS which I have fitted with a VX HSV Clubbie kit down to the pointy front headlights. I only fitted the kit as I thought the standard white SS kit wasnt really doing the car justice :)

Now the kits been on the car for quite some time I probably wouldnt go for another fiberglass kit again as the damage too easily and stone chips are a nightmare. But that could happen with any bodykit.

As for trying to fake the HSV name to look fast..... I'd say mine is faster than the 'average' HSV, Would outstop and out handle one too :o And doesnt cost as much to insure ;)

Gareth

[Inter-ceptor]

Ive got a 01 VX SS which I have fitted with a VX HSV Clubbie kit down to the pointy front headlights. I only fitted the kit as I thought the standard white SS kit wasnt really doing the car justice :)

Now the kits been on the car for quite some time I probably wouldnt go for another fiberglass kit again as the damage too easily and stone chips are a nightmare. But that could happen with any bodykit.

As for trying to fake the HSV name to look fast..... I'd say mine is faster than the 'average' HSV, Would outstop and out handle one too :o And doesnt cost as much to insure ;)

GarethGreat point and example mate!

[bassplayer]

i agree body kits & wheels make a boring car look good. i am not pretending to have something that i dont, i just want a nice looking car. i have a wagon, so i pretty much had to go down the path of kit + wheels etc. 1st of all i cant afford a vt ss wagon right now, & i dont think there were any/many vx ss wagons. thirdly i dont like the vy or later wagons, so my choice was to stick with my vt2 wagon + vt clubby kit, wheels etc. i also prefer the vt clubby kit to the ss, so ive decided to keep my wagon & do a few mods to the 6. i do not pretend to have a v8 & i would be embarrased to have hsv or v8 badges with a 6 under the bonnet. although i am currently doing some mods to get the 6 a little quicker ;)

[djl]

Given limited funds, I'd rather spend it getting the best performing car for the $. If you can't afford to have both the go and the show, I don't get why you would choose the latter. I only mean this to refer to the V6s with GTS kits, non-turbo Subarus with STI kits and so on - cars like Gareth's are a different story altogether of course. I just wouldn't want a car that is much slower than it looks.

No offence meant to anyone, and everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just my preference.

cheers all
djl

[SV8VY]

Each to their own.
I don't mind a nice body kit on a car as long as it is tasteful.
They copy the HSV as they can visualise what their car would look like as its there in front of them.
For the average Joe Blow the HSV is an expensive vehicle.
Most of the Vy owners I think prefer the sleeper look...take the Sv8 for example.
When they first came out every one just thought they had sixes in them...until they got thrashed at the lights.
Even now when ordering parts from repco or someone they don't know what the Sv8 is.

[BlackClubbie]

The bottom line is, the resell value of a real HSV will always be more than an exec with whatever mods have been done to it.

[spiv]

Nothing S&%$s me more than a wannabe in a mock up HSV with the big droning exhaust, especially when they want to try and drag you at the lights in their v6. I had one on Friday night that pulled up next to me kicked the auto into second two or three times and then stuck his head out the window and looked back at me whilst attempting to drive at 60KMPH :rolleyes: To me a mock up is like a bastard child.

[BlackClubbie]

Yesterday i saw a guy in a VN with a VX bodykit (sorta) "trying so hard" to catch a guy in a Lancer ( that also had a bodykit and a huge asshole of an exhaust, mind you).. it was quite funny to watch.

I reckon, if you want to rice up your standard exec with a bodykit and have it not looking dodgy, you should strip off all the badges and have a nice coat of paint on the car, that'll do just fine..

I remember years back in my native country ( France), someone had the good idea to start selling "Turbo" badges in supermarket.... a few months after, there was a considerable amount of losers that had 2 or 3 turbo badges on their old busted Peugeot... ah ah ah !

[Ricko]

It amazes me how passionate someone can get over how another persons car looks.

I have a SV8 with an SS front bumper, and (all) the badges removed. It is nothing to do with making it look like something its not, i just gave it the look i prefer (wanka lights included :rolleyes: ).

[team illucid]

I dont see what is wrong with a kit ... but as others have said dont use the HSV badging to make it something it aint ... as gareth said, a kit on a car that can make an HSV look silly is the go ... just make sure you can do it :)

[GTS JaZzA]

i dunno about you guys, but i can almost alwas tell when the car is a fake. there's a lot of really bad fake kits around, seems like a waste of money to me when they dont even look correct.

[BlackClubbie]

I wonder if we'll see many execs with a VZ Clubby bodykit..

[Inter-ceptor]

http://www.boostcruising.com/database/madcarphotos/files/MrMerc20050422222359madcarfile1.jpg

would that be a ricer? :lol:

[fatas]

voodoo a grange front mmm had not thought of that what was the cost of the bar and anything else you need.
i have a 230 rwhp v6 with gts kit and all the good gear leather and 18s ap brakes and it will beat most hsv and i had lots of fun building it over 10 years but i know it is not a hsv.
but it good to beat them at oran park in a v6 naturally asperated vp. :D

[VooDoo]

Fatas: they are around $1400 new. I got one second hand as it was on a VT exec (go figure). I havent seen any fake Grange parts around though. Genuine stuff is pretty hard to find.

Anyone want to buy a Caprice front for there VT?

[paul05]

voodoo a grange front mmm had not thought of that what was the cost of the bar and anything else you need.
i have a 230 rwhp v6 with gts kit and all the good gear leather and 18s ap brakes and it will beat most hsv and i had lots of fun building it over 10 years but i know it is not a hsv.
but it good to beat them at oran park in a v6 naturally asperated vp. :D
well said,if you guys with ss's and hsv's are worried about us pretenders with body kits then you just take out your insurance papers and tell'm "look i pay $1000 more than you on insurance it's a real car"get your hands off it. :booty:
ps;i own a vy v6 lumina with a ss body kit ,not to make it go fast but to make it look good.there is another thread on here tonight "not my pistons"yet another ls1 rebuild,the v6's i've owned have never needed this.don't forget when you buy your ls1 ask for your complimentery engine rebuild before you leave the showroom. :lol:

[VooDoo]

Paul, looking good while going slow never won anybody any awards. Id rather a crap looking fast car than a tarted up slow one. :)

[jsttry]

Paul, looking good while going slow never won anybody any awards. Id rather a crap looking fast car than a tarted up slow one. :)
Yes it did....its called show cars. Look pretty but don't go anywhere.

[VooDoo]

An exec with a body kit is far from a show car. I cant say ive seen many V6 show cars around.

[Rt!]

scuse I, but there are V8 execs too :p

[Chris52]

Yeah, you're excused. ;)

[Knight Phlier]

well said,if you guys with ss's and hsv's are worried about us pretenders with body kits then you just take out your insurance papers and tell'm "look i pay $1000 more than you on insurance it's a real car"get your hands off it. :booty:
ps;i own a vy v6 lumina with a ss body kit ,not to make it go fast but to make it look good.there is another thread on here tonight "not my pistons"yet another ls1 rebuild,the v6's i've owned have never needed this.don't forget when you buy your ls1 ask for your complimentery engine rebuild before you leave the showroom. :lol:

hahahaha. Some people make me crack up !!

Why don't you drill some holes in your exhaust as well?? I hear it is one of the best "Bang for your Buck" mods you can do - for a poser... :lol:

[Inter-ceptor]

Paul, looking good while going slow never won anybody any awards. Id rather a crap looking fast car than a tarted up slow one. :)
Would you prefer driving the "slowest" new Ferrari or a "faster" new HSV?

[Tez82]

Would you prefer driving the "slowest" new Ferrari or a "faster" new HSV?

Faster HSV for me anyday :) Ferrari meh means nothing to me...

But this thread is kinda getting off topic now though boys..... :eek:

[Inter-ceptor]

Faster HSV for me anyday :) Ferrari meh means nothing to me...

But this thread is kinda getting off topic now though boys..... :eek:
Haha you bogan!

[dominik]

Would you prefer driving the "slowest" new Ferrari or a "faster" new HSV?That's a bit of a stretch. I don't think you can apply what Voodoo said to a new Ferrari. What's a "slow" Ferrari anyway? 4.2 seconds? That's fast enough for most people and since you're getting around in style you don't need to hurry to make a statement. They all turn heads. Silly question inter-ceptor :)

[Inter-ceptor]

...What's a "slow" Ferrari anyway? 4.2 seconds? That's fast enough for most people and since you're getting around in style you don't need to hurry to make a statement...
Exactly right dude! Any sane person would choose a Ferrari over a "shitty Holden or HSV"... (no pun intended as I love Holdens) but a Ferrari is a piece of art... Holden or HSV is just another piece of metal assembled in the factory unlike Ferraris which are hand made.

And yes you are right, VooDoo was only talking about Holdens and doing them up... just it would be interesting what would silly and naive young guys would say though heh :p :lol:

[dominik]

Haha you bogan!I'll bite... come on, each to his own. Me personally I'd like both. Saw a nice red 612 Scaglietti with Q plates down the coast a few weeks ago. But once the novelty of owning it wears off, then reality kicks in. If you forked out close to half a mil for a new F430 where the hell could you park the thing? And what's the point of a Ferrari without the whole Sovereign Islands or Hedges Ave lifestyle to match? No such dilemma with the HSV. Anyway, for some people not interested in showboating it's a major waste of money and an impractical choice. Btw, you're reverting back to your old habits buddy :)

[Inter-ceptor]

I'll bite... come on, each to his own. Me personally I'd like both. Saw a nice red 612 Scaglietti with Q plates down the coast a few weeks ago. But once the novelty of owning it wears off, then reality kicks in. If you forked out close to half a mil for a new F430 where the hell could you park the thing? And what's the point of a Ferrari without the whole Sovereign Islands or Hedges Ave lifestyle to match? No such dilemma with the HSV. Anyway, for some people not interested in showboating it's a major waste of money and an impractical choice. Btw, you're reverting back to your old habits buddy :)
Yeh I cant justify a 500,000K car, not the way I live anyway.

Ah comon mate, juts a bit of discussion, otherwise you old bastards are getting boring :booty: :D

[Merlin]

If you forked out close to half a mil for a new F430 where the hell could you park the thing? :)

hmmph...one dosn't park his own ferrari, that it what the hired help is for :cool:

[VooDoo]

I'd sell the horse drawn car and buy a HSV. :)

[bassplayer]

well said,if you guys with ss's and hsv's are worried about us pretenders with body kits then you just take out your insurance papers and tell'm "look i pay $1000 more than you on insurance it's a real car"get your hands off it. :booty:
ps;i own a vy v6 lumina with a ss body kit ,not to make it go fast but to make it look good.there is another thread on here tonight "not my pistons"yet another ls1 rebuild,the v6's i've owned have never needed this.don't forget when you buy your ls1 ask for your complimentery engine rebuild before you leave the showroom. :lol:

ouch!! :eek:

[Inter-ceptor]

I'd sell the horse drawn car and buy a HSV. :)
me too :) then invest and...

[dominik]

me too :) then invest and...Hey, you called Tez a "bogan" for choosing the HSV over the Ferrari and now you're saying you'd rather drive the HSV instead? You flip flopper! Make up your mind for once. Wait, you're still worried about that evil piston slap, right? :) You missed your calling in politics. Anyway, like I said before, without the high roller lifestyle, the Ferrari wouldn't really fit in. Leave it to those guys down the Coast with their $15m homes (http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2004676637) and giant boats to match. The HSV is definitely more practical for most people. So apologize to Tez ;)

[Inter-ceptor]

Hey, you called Tez a "bogan" for choosing the HSV over the Ferrari and now you're saying you'd rather drive the HSV instead? You flip flopper! Make up your mind for once. Wait, you're still worried about that evil piston slap, right? :) You missed your calling in politics. Anyway, like I said before, without the high roller lifestyle, the Ferrari wouldn't really fit in. Leave it to those guys down the Coast with their $15m homes (http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2004676637) and giant boats to match. The HSV is definitely more practical for most people. So apologize to Tez ;)
Well depends the way you look at it, if i was living in a million dollar home then id drive a lambo or modena as i would laugh at guys in HSV thinking they are try hards because my income would be sky high...

Tez said plain and simple that in anyway he would choose a holden over a ferrari (which is bullshit) apparently even if he was living like a millionare! you know it and so do i:)

[dominik]

Well depends the way you look at it, if i was living in a million dollar home then id drive a lambo or modena as i would laugh at guys in HSV thinking they are try hards because my income would be sky high...

Tez said plain and simple that in anyway he would choose a holden over a ferrari (which is bullshit) apparently even if he was living like a millionare! you know it and so do i:)Hey, Trump says if you're going to think at all, think big. Sounds like you've set the bar pretty high for yourself :) You know, you've already got a heckling strategy in place for when the cash starts rolling in :D

Back on topic... since most of us can't afford Ferraris, let's get back to reality. Holdens, HSVs. Stop bagging them! Anyway, what GarethSS said is fine. No shame in doing up an SS to look a little more like a HSV. It's the same engine. I guess that's where the lines start to get blurry with V6s and HSV bodykits since all HSVs are V8s. The only sticky point really is badges.

[VooDoo]

*cough* XU6 *cough*

[dominik]

*cough* XU6 *cough*I plead guilty to forgetting all about them :) No disrespect intended to any XU6 owners. Been up 18 hours running... totally slipped my mind :) It's easy to forget about them because I see XU8s every now and then but not many XU6s. So there's an exception in recent times but let's say 95% of the range in the last 5 or so years is V8. Surely you'd agree HSV is considered a "V8" brand so the Average Joe who turns his head when a Commodore V6 with HSV bodykit goes past is not thinking "V6". That's the only point I was trying to make.

[BlackClubbie]

If i was a billionnaire, i'd still get a HSV. Hell, i'd get a hangar and i'll have tons of HSVs all different models ! then i'd setup a HSV museum !

[mgygto]

Well depends the way you look at it, if i was living in a million dollar home then id drive a lambo or modena as i would laugh at guys in HSV thinking they are try hards because my income would be sky high...

Tez said plain and simple that in anyway he would choose a holden over a ferrari (which is bullshit) apparently even if he was living like a millionare! you know it and so do i:)

Well I feel sorry for someone who drives a car to indicate their income! I'm lucky enough to have friends who buy what they like driving rather than what the maximum is that they can afford. That means for a number of us choosing a local high performance car rather than Euro. It's choice not neccessity.

For those that mod a standard Holden with a body kit - go for it! If its what you want and you like the look why should anyone else care and why should you care what anyone else thinks.

[Tez82]

Well depends the way you look at it, if i was living in a million dollar home then id drive a lambo or modena as i would laugh at guys in HSV thinking they are try hards because my income would be sky high...

Tez said plain and simple that in anyway he would choose a holden over a ferrari (which is bullshit) apparently even if he was living like a millionare! you know it and so do i:)

Mate my parents live in million dollar house, worth well over 2 million... You wanna know what my old man drives, a Statesman. Money doesn't mean that you have to buy an expensive car, like a BMW or Merc.... Everyone is different mate.... But once again, WAY OFF TOPIC boys... hehehe yeah shhh Voodoo :cool: XU6... you had to bring that up didn't ya :lol:

[vuster]

I wouldn't mind seeing execs with HSV kits on them. What will annoy me is when someone comes up to me and says that they dragged a HSV(exec with body kit) and won. It will hurt my ego.
I told a guy who owns a 180sx that I had a VZ clubby on order and straight away he tells me about his encounter with a new clubby on the freeway and the clubby had no chance. I then ask him about what badges are on it and he tells me he is certain that it's a new model. No answers that will satisfy the description of a VZ. No point arguing with guys like this as I get tired trying to explain to people who don't know the difference between different models.

[JoshoMarc]

IMO its good to see a bit of variety, they say its the spice of life. The only thing that gets me .. If you have a standard car ie exec etc and you decide to blow it out with a HSV body kit, MAKE SURE YOU DUMP THE THING ON ITS GUTS!! Standard height looks a bit silly, plus instantly gives away the fact to the less informed that it isnt really genuine. You can fool some of the people some of the time.

[lxhatch]

agree with vuster 100%
agree with Josho 100% - height is dead giveawa - small exhaust is dead giveaway

I would prefer to go the other way - suck the unwary players in by getting a hsv and dress it in Exec clothing - (sorta like what ford did with its current GT - just looks like a cab)

[JMEVXSS]

*cough* XU6 *cough*

.............. and the SV3800!

[BLACK 346]

If i was a billionnaire, i'd still get a HSV. Hell, i'd get a hangar and i'll have tons of HSVs all different models ! then i'd setup a HSV museum !


Good onya, If I was a billionaire I would be in a HSV GTO
in Devil yellow. The reason being, is that I need 2 of them
so that I have enough seats for all the kids :D

[BlackClubbie]

Good on you mate !

[Inter-ceptor]

Good onya, If I was a billionaire I would be in a HSV GTO
in Devil yellow. The reason being, is that I need 2 of them
so that I have enough seats for all the kids :D
If I was a rich asshole I dont think Id put up with crappy Holden/Ford/Mitsubishi etc service, neither would I care how fast the car went or how much it cost to run! A brand new Ferrari would be peanuts to buy anyway, so you guys are missing the point here. Sure it be great to have some big muscle car but seriously, after driving a newish Ferrari youd prolly forget all about HSV, FPV etc... no pun intended. For those that still say they would prefer to drive a GTO over a Modena... wed see how youd feel around your rich friends who would be kicking your ass down the high way in their stock euros... and if you think youd make your HSV run faster, think again, youd be prolly too busy in your office and shagging young secretaries to worry about all the dirty work under the car... as ia 10 second HSV will mean absulutely nothing to your friends. colleagues and women :)

[exwrx]

If I was a rich asshole I dont think Id put up with crappy Holden/Ford/Mitsubishi etc service, neither would I care how fast the car went or how much it cost to run! A brand new Ferrari would be peanuts to buy anyway, so you guys are missing the point here. Sure it be great to have some big muscle car but seriously, after driving a newish Ferrari youd prolly forget all about HSV, FPV etc... no pun intended. For those that still say they would prefer to drive a GTO over a Modena... wed see how youd feel around your rich friends who would be kicking your ass down the high way in their stock euros... and if you think youd make your HSV run faster, think again, youd be prolly too busy in your office and shagging young secretaries to worry about all the dirty work under the car... as ia 10 second HSV will mean absulutely nothing to your friends. colleagues and women :)

Inter, have you considered the remote possibility that some of us dont actually care what other people think? :eek:

[bassplayer]

Well I feel sorry for someone who drives a car to indicate their income! I'm lucky enough to have friends who buy what they like driving rather than what the maximum is that they can afford. That means for a number of us choosing a local high performance car rather than Euro. It's choice not neccessity.

For those that mod a standard Holden with a body kit - go for it! If its what you want and you like the look why should anyone else care and why should you care what anyone else thinks.

yeh well said

[Inter-ceptor]

Inter, have you considered the remote possibility that some of us dont actually care what other people think? :eek:
If we didnt then this and other public forums wouldnt exist matey!

Anyway if you dont really care about this topic then dont post champ. :evil:

[BLACK 346]

If I was a rich asshole I dont think Id put up with crappy Holden/Ford/Mitsubishi etc service, neither would I care how fast the car went or how much it cost to run! A brand new Ferrari would be peanuts to buy anyway, so you guys are missing the point here. Sure it be great to have some big muscle car but seriously, after driving a newish Ferrari youd prolly forget all about HSV, FPV etc... no pun intended. For those that still say they would prefer to drive a GTO over a Modena... wed see how youd feel around your rich friends who would be kicking your ass down the high way in their stock euros... and if you think youd make your HSV run faster, think again, youd be prolly too busy in your office and shagging young secretaries to worry about all the dirty work under the car... as ia 10 second HSV will mean absulutely nothing to your friends. colleagues and women :)

Don't have to be rich to shag young secretaries and I
don't think being rediculously wealthy would stop me
from enjoying playing with cars either. You are right
about one thing though, a 10 second HSV would mean
nothing to me as both of mine would be in the 8's :)

[Inter-ceptor]

Don't have to be rich to shag young secretaries and I
don't think being rediculously wealthy would stop me
from enjoying playing with cars either. You are right
about one thing though, a 10 second HSV would mean
nothing to me as both of mine would be in the 8's :)
hah! nice try :p

na ur right, u dont need cars or money to root women... infact ur a loser if you think cars will make you score with the opposite sex. :bash:

u should only get cars if they give you enjoyment and you love driving them!

anyway back to reality...

[VYSHSV8]

Actually I like the HSV's without the wing, but the best kit I reckon of all the HSV's is the Senator Signature they are one stylish kit :D