German speeding fines

[Kirium]

Interesting.. Lifted from another forum

If you ever wondered what you'd have to pay over there if you got caught speeding.
Outside towns
1. up to 10 km/h 10 Euro
2. 11 bis 15 km/h 20 Euro
3. 15 bis 20 km/h 30 Euro
4. 21 bis 25 km/h 40 Euro 1point
5. 26 bis 30 km/h 50 Euro 3points
6. 31 bis 40 km/h 75 Euro 3p
7. 41 bis 50 km/h 100 Euro 4p 1 Month loss of licence
8. 51 bis 60 km/h 150 Euro 4p 1 Month " "
9. 61 bis 70 km/h 275 Euro 4p 2 Month " "
10. Über 70 km/h 375 Euro 4p 3 Month " "

Inside towns

1. up to 10 km/h 15 Euro
2. 11 bis 15 km/h 25 Euro
3. 16 bis 20 km/h 35 Euro
4. 21 bis 25 km/h 50 Euro 1p
5. 26 bis 30 km/h 60 Euro 3p
6. 31 bis 40 km/h 100 Euro 3p 1 Month loss off licence
7. 41 bis 50 km/h 125 Euro 4p 1 Month
8. 51 bis 60 km/h 175 Euro 4p 2 Month
9. 61 bis 70 km/h 300 Euro 4p 3 Month
10. über 70 km/h 425 Euro 4p 3 Month

You can get a fine of up to 150Euro and loss of licence of 1 month for following too closely at speed.

Btw , Germany has posted the lowest roadtoll since 1958 in the last 12 months.

[RIDE:42]

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Btw , Germany has posted the lowest roadtoll since 1958 in the last 12 months.
but the years 1939/1945 were a bit high

[Azza]

but the years 1939/1945 were a bit high
yeah seat belt wern't mandatory! :lol:
And for some strange reason the trend during those years was to cover up your head lights at night :rolleyes:

[SV99]

but the years 1939/1945 were a bit high


yeah where australia is currently at the moment and going backwards.

Now why cant we have a system like that, Oh geez i dont know.

we have to fund the retirement of bent Pollys and Police :bash:

[clixanup]

we have to fund the retirement of bent Pollys and Police :bash:

That's true you know. $126 billion of taxpayers' money over the next 15 years.

[Peter B - CV8]

but the years 1939/1945 were a bit high
Also had lots of SS's getting around.....

[LSX-438]

Btw , Germany has posted the lowest roadtoll since 1958 in the last 12 months.

i kind of doubt that. is that absolute fatalities or adjusted/averaged over say per 100,000km travelled

[NinetySix]

thats funny...

when i was camping at MotoGP phillip island back in october i had a chat to some guys in from europe, holland i think it was? one of the more up-market countrys any way ...

he was telling me that speeding fines there are huge, about $1200 for going 25k's over or so with a mandatory court appearance

[NinetySix]

i kind of doubt that. is that absolute fatalities or adjusted/averaged over say per 100,000km travelled

i think it would be per capita

[Kirium]

i kind of doubt that. is that absolute fatalities or adjusted/averaged over say per 100,000km travelled

Honestly mate, I've got no idea. The guy who posted it is German tho.
I think he was getting at it being Germany's lowest road toll since 1958.

I'll ask and try to get back to u tho. :cheers:

[Kirium]

Bit of license driving info from the guy who posted the penalty info...


Cost me 1200Marks (roughly the same in AUS$) to get my licence , was a special , it's dearer normally .More like $2000
You have to be 18 years old and you have to use a driving school.
Minimum hours are 10 hours in a classroom (includes 2 hours tutorial about changin tyres / jumpstarting a car etc. done at a dealership).
Road practice is divided into 6 hours normal driving (min.) in the suburbs, 2 hours
in the CBD , 2 hours Autobahn at over 130km/h , 2 hours country road and 2 hours at night.
Test is a 34 question multiple choice test with more than one answer right and a 1 hour driving test incorporating mostly the CBD , burbs and Autobahn.
That was in the late 80's , could be different now.
Civil contractors in germany have to garantee the roadsurface for a specified time .The pavers and finishing machines run on a single rail laid with lasers on either side of the road (this is for the autobahn)
When I was a 5 I remember my old man driving from Luebeck to / Hamburg on the A1 (first autobahn build ) telling me that that's the original surface from 1934 ( orange 1602 BMW ).
The on and offramps have a minimum length of 300 metres to be able to slow down and accelerate sufficiently to join traffic.
If you join the traffic at less than 90km/h in a car you can be fined.
The speed cameras can measure distance between cars , tailgating is prosecuted stricter than speeding.
Guidesspeed on any autobahn in germany is 120km/h , you have to drive at least that speed if you want to drive in the overtaking lane ,
because that porsche/BMW/Benz travelling at over 200km/h is gonna come up
real quick

I like that tailgating is penalised properly...

I remember driving with a mate in Darwin, and he wasn't wearing his seatbelt, had a pretty low, near-flat rear tyre on his missus' old excel and then started tailgating a marked police car!! (not real close, but close enough) of course we got pulled over, but the sergeant let him off with a warning.... i was stunned... Must have been saved by the fact we were in uniform

[keepleft]

Forrestd wrote "i kind of doubt that. is that absolute fatalities or adjusted/averaged over say per 100,000km travelled".

So typical of an Australian going this per 100,000 crap, a mere reflection of Sate AusGovCo propoganda. Try per million in measure form data, and one might take you seriously!

Anyhow:

http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/index.php This site also has pics etc.

http://www.bast.de/htdocs_engl/index.htm

Rem for Australia "Keep middle unless overtaking", but don't try that in Germany.

Chap in thread with German experience wrote:
"If you join the traffic at less than 90km/h in a car you can be fined".

NSW is looking at a similar on spot fine, 'prevailing speed' or similar criteria. Stay tuned for that.

Not keeping left now means a 3 point loss for a NSW license.

Our freeway/motorway speed limit, as an example 110km/h but not limited to that, is to be reduced by 10km/h 'in wet' conditions.

[Kirium]

Duncan,

This is the site and stats...


http://www.stern.de/sport-motor/aut...&q=verkehrstote

Die Zahl der Verkehrstoten ist im vergangenen Jahr auf den niedrigsten Stand seit über 50 Jahren gesunken. Im Jahr 2004 sind bei Unfällen auf Deutschlands Straßen 5.844 Menschen getötet, 11,6 Prozent weniger als im Jahr zuvor.

Lowest numbers for 50 years , 5844 casualties in 2004 , 11,6% less than 2003
Total population for germany is above 83 million.

[LSX-438]

why is measuring fatalities per 100,000km travelled crap?

[LSX-438]

guys do those sites have english? because i cannot make hear nor tail of them.

[Kirium]

NSW is looking at a similar on spot fine, 'prevailing speed' or similar criteria. Stay tuned for that.

Not keeping left now means a 3 point loss for a NSW license.

Our freeway/motorway speed limit, as an example 110km/h but not limited to that, is to be reduced by 10km/h 'in wet' conditions.

Pity they don't have decent driver training to allow people to understand why these changes have come about, why it's for the best and how to roll it all into you ability as a competent driver..

More likely they'll implement it quietly and roll in the profits for a while until people start catching on..

[seldo]

Bit of license driving info from the guy who posted the penalty info...



I like that tailgating is penalised properly...

I remember driving with a mate in Darwin, and he wasn't wearing his seatbelt, had a pretty low, near-flat rear tyre on his missus' old excel and then started tailgating a marked police car!! (not real close, but close enough) of course we got pulled over, but the sergeant let him off with a warning.... i was stunned... Must have been saved by the fact we were in uniform
When I was over there last time I was impressed that they had 3 speed limit signs side-by-side ie 80/100/100+ and the rationale was that you were not allowed in that lane at under the speed indicated on the sign. And the big Benzes and BMs would come from 500m back with lights flashing and horns blaring and go blasting past at 250kph as i was flat-maggot at 210...:eyes:
But the other interesting thing is that even Ma & Pa Kettle in their 2CV would have it flat as a maggot and no-matter what they were driving, it was as fast as its little legs would carry it... :shock: But in nearly 20,000km i didn't see a serious accident... Australian politicians...what's your take on this....?

[Kirium]

The quote in german has, by the look of it, been basically translated into:

Lowest numbers for 50 years , 5844 casualties in 2004 , 11,6% less than 2003.

You could always put the page into babelfish for a page translation.. don't know if it does it instantly tho.. never used it

[Kirium]

Australian politicians...what's your take on this....?

It's dangerous, doesn't really save lives and doesn't give us a way to fill our pockets with your money... ;)

[LSX-438]

you cant merely look at total fatalities surely, common sense tells us it is relative to how many cars are registered/using the road. if the absolute number is lower that is obviously a good thing. but i think that is a rather simplistic statistic given there would be millions more cars on the road and probably billions of more k's travelled.

btw australia posted the lowest relative fatailty rate in 75 years (per 10,000 veicles registered) with probably the highest fines set in place. However i do not believe the penalty system is primarily responsible for these numbers.

[keepleft]

Kirium wrote: "Pity they don't have decent driver training to allow people to understand why these changes have come about, why it's for the best and how to roll it all into you ability as a competent driver.."

The Commonwealth, VIC and NSW are to trial a new driver training scheme that WILL include on road training under various conditions, the Deputy PM, Anderson, insisted December 15, 2004 that the program contain on-road training and it will include a 'mentor-pupil' relationship throughout the process. An overall emphasis on 'defensive' with the program designed to weed out those needing 'additional' attention or 'medical help'.

The Road Minsiter, the Hon. Mr Loyd visited Germany and came back with great respect for its autobahn lane-discipline and stated he wants Australia to behave the same, but laments 'it could take a generation' to achieve.


"More likely they'll implement it quietly and roll in the profits for a while until people start catching on"..

Cynic you, I don't really blame you but . . .

News - SA has, or will shortly adopted the NSW style red and green P Plate system.

In Australia, as elsewhere in the developed world, the 'primary' driving tuition one recieves is the 'driver manual'. In NSW its called the "Road Users Handbook". This State remains the only jurisdiction that teaches readers that when using a 3 or more lane freeway to use the leftmost lane first, this helps combat the keep middle brigade, and is EU in its source text.

A new NSW Road Users Handbook will be released by RTA soon, this one even has a picture of a Euro triangle and tells passenger vehicle drivers when it should be used and the 50 - 150m placement measure.

Slowly, we advance things here.

[LSX-438]

So typical of an Australian going this per 100,000 crap, a mere reflection of Sate AusGovCo propoganda. Try per million in measure form data, and one might take you seriously!

Anyhow:

http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/index.php This site also has pics etc.

http://www.bast.de/htdocs_engl/index.htm

Rem for Australia "Keep middle unless overtaking", but don't try that in Germany.

Chap in thread with German experience wrote:
"If you join the traffic at less than 90km/h in a car you can be fined".

NSW is looking at a similar on spot fine, 'prevailing speed' or similar criteria. Stay tuned for that.

Not keeping left now means a 3 point loss for a NSW license.

Our freeway/motorway speed limit, as an example 110km/h but not limited to that, is to be reduced by 10km/h 'in wet' conditions.

dunno what you are on about really but anyway I vsited these websites and there is nothing there i can find about statistics for road fatailities. can you point me in the right direction, thanks.

[Kirium]

Kirium wrote: "Pity they don't have decent driver training to allow people to understand why these changes have come about, why it's for the best and how to roll it all into you ability as a competent driver.."

The Commonwealth, VIC and NSW are to trial a new driver training scheme that WILL include on road training under various conditions, the Deputy PM, Anderson, insisted December 15, 2004 that the program contain on-road training and it will include a 'mentor-pupil' relationship throughout the process. An overall emphasis on 'defensive' with the program designed to weed out those needing 'additional' attention or 'medical help'.

The Road Minsiter, the Hon. Mr Loyd visited Germany and came back with great respect for its autobahn lane-discipline and stated he wants Australia to behave the same, but laments 'it could take a generation' to achieve.


"More likely they'll implement it quietly and roll in the profits for a while until people start catching on"..

Cynic you, I don't really blame you but . . .

News - SA has, or will shortly adopted the NSW style red and green P Plate system.

In Australia, as elsewhere in the developed world, the 'primary' driving tuition one recieves is the 'driver manual'. In NSW its called the "Road Users Handbook". This State remains the only jurisdiction that teaches readers that when using a 3 or more lane freeway to use the leftmost lane first, this helps combat the keep middle brigade, and is EU in its source text.

A new NSW Road Users Handbook will be released by RTA soon, this one even has a picture of a Euro triangle and tells passenger vehicle drivers when it should be used and the 50 - 150m placement measure.

Slowly, we advance things here.

That's all very promising, but unless we have the quality roads to match what will (eventually, hopefully) be quality driving skills, there's going to be even more frustrated drivers out there, driving at a limited 100kph, bored out of their brains knowing we can all safely and competently drive up to 60kph faster than that, conditions permitting. Just changing driver skills isn't going to solve all problems... People will still die from fatigue on long journeys when forced to sit at a coma-inducing 100kph. It will take an entire package approach to fix it all. Like the fire triangle.. heat, fuel, oxygen.. We need better roads, better skills, realistic rules.

And yes, I am a cynic... :lol: A big one...

[LSX-438]

here's an interesting little report

http://www.acea.be/ACEA/Road_Accidents_1980-2000.pdf

a number of EU countries reduced their fatalities by 1/3 or 1/2 over the last 20 years.

interestingly the number of injuries in germany has only reduced 10% whereas some countries have halved theirs. you can use selective statistics to prove anything. i do not believe lower/higher fines/penalty system is responsible for the lowest fatalities rates on record, its just way more complicated than that. that is not to say that higher fines are rather dubious.

[Kirium]

Absolutely, like the old saying goes... Statistics are like bikinis...

It's much more involved than having a penalty system.. But a penalty system plays its role in the overall system, and I just thought the German penalty system was pretty good. Especially higher penalties in cities, and the differing and steadily increasing fines, then adding points, then threatening licence. It just seems to have a much more logical progression than what we are seeing here

[Rt!]

laser road surface tool as opposed to council workers putting some sand over pot holes going " she'll be right mate "

wheres our fuel tax / infringement money going?

[LSX-438]

Absolutely, like the old saying goes... Statistics are like bikinis...

It's much more involved than having a penalty system.. But a penalty system plays its role in the overall system, and I just thought the German penalty system was pretty good. Especially higher penalties in cities, and the differing and steadily increasing fines, then adding points, then threatening licence. It just seems to have a much more logical progression than what we are seeing here

i would probably agree other models will invariably make more sense. our law makers would argue our fatality rate is 17x less than 1925 so if we go down the stats path it doesnt really help the argument. gut feeling is about the best we really have, and that is good enough for me. Reality is, fines are the highest ever and fatalities are the lowest, but i do not believe fines are the major reason. truth is somewhere in the middle.