Its re-build time

[Oldmonroman]

Yes I got the Bad new today, My CV8 needs new pistons, I was told today that they only change the pistons, NO honing of the bore NOT ALLOWED), No replacement of the Big end (conrod) bearings, no replace nothing except gaskets. hell i don't even think they will change the Sparkplugs not unless there damaged. Also the Dealer said no such thing as replacing the Engine and if its rattles again its bad luck. Tomorrow I'm ringing the Office of Fair trading as I bet they have had a lot PPL ringing up over this matter.
I spoke to Holden in Melbourne today they told me that the Revised pistons are the same, only difference is they are teflon coated and use revised rings.
Any Comments appreciated.

[VooDoo]

Ive seen engines pulled apart after 80'000k's and the bearings etc are perfect. You have done 15000k's if i remember so the bearings will be fine. I saw my bores after 80'000 and they were perfect and not a mark on them. When i got my engine done the dealer was very good and if there are some componants you feel should be replaced you can buy them yourself and have them fitted. I paid for new lifters as one of mine was sticking and i'd planned on a new cam after the rebuild.

Also the OFT are a toothless monkey. They have no power AT ALL to enforce anything. Even if they understood what piston slap was (they dont) they couldnt force the dealer to do anything but can only recommend. The only thing the OFT do is piss off the dealer and they would be less likely to improve their service toward you. From what you have posted you havent been rejected nor had any bad service.

A rebuild isnt the end of the world. Ive had 2 and was treated very well by the dealer and Holden. Bearings dont wear out and need replacing after 15000k's. Any consumerable items such as headbolts, head gaskets etc are replaced. If you have a problem in the future then Holden and the dealer look at it again. I argued against my 2nd rebuild but Holden but the dealer felt it was necessary. At no point did i feel its was "bad luck" and that they didnt want to look after me.

As for spark plugs... are they worn out? Did the piston slap damage them? If not why do you feel they should be replaced under warranty??

[Drewie]

Yes I got the Bad new today, My CV8 needs new pistons, I was told today that they only change the pistons, NO honing of the bore NOT ALLOWED), No replacement of the Big end (conrod) bearings, no replace nothing except gaskets. hell i don't even think they will change the Sparkplugs not unless there damaged. Also the Dealer said no such thing as replacing the Engine and if its rattles again its bad luck. Tomorrow I'm ringing the Office of Fair trading as I bet they have had a lot PPL ringing up over this matter.
I spoke to Holden in Melbourne today they told me that the Revised pistons are the same, only difference is they are teflon coated and use revised rings.
Any Comments appreciated.

My VX SS has been chasing the rattle since new....I have had 2 rebuilds,
I would think your CV8 would already have the Teflon coated pistons in it.
My first rebuild was in April 2002 at which time it was fitted with the then new 'Teflon coated Pistons', which did help but did not fix it to my liking,
so it was done again in October 2003, the pistons they fitted then were the same as the ones in the VYII, which I was told by the dealer at the time were still coated but there had been a revision to the tolerence and a slight repostioning of the gudgeon pin, also a revision again to the rings. Like you said above new pistons and rings and new bolts for the big ends and heads and gaskets etc but that is all. The new set up is better but if you know what your listening for there is still piston noise there when cold but very very quiet when hot. Hope this helps a bit all went back together fine no issues at all. Hope all goes well for you.

[fatas]

just gone through this our statie has 800km on the re build, but the motor had 80000 km on it when pulled apart. the bearings were worn a bit due to the last owner missing 2 oil changes but not to bad the plugs were not replaced as they were ok no misses,i payed and got mishigan 77 big ends and mains and the dealer let me take the bottom end to do the job ! then take the heads and i had to pay for a full head service so i got some port work done at the same time they put it back together and it seems better than ever. trust your dealer and if not pay some one else to do the job remember you only get warranty from them AND THAT IS COMMING FROM THE BIGGEST ANTI DEALER MAN YOU WILL EVER FIND. :)

[Oldmonroman]

Trouble is mine still made noise when hot, yes just after the fans cut out.

[Oldmonroman]

I was told by the manager that the Gen 111 bore is aluminium , I though it was a cast sleeve pressed inside a aluminium block. which one is it?.

[Drewie]

It is as you said a steel liner cast into the alloy block.....

[markone2]

I have been down this road :) ...depart from offending dealership immediately...do not bequeath them so much as a passing fart.
Go elsewhere......I went from *The noise is in your head* :mad: to *we have ordered you a brand new engine * :) ....if your after one of the more sympathetic Brisbane dealers by all means pm….oh and the engine was just that.Brand New

[Red CV8 R]

Double post.

[Red CV8 R]

Agreed, find a new dealer. Under 20,000kms and Holden will give you a new motor if pushed. I had this told to me straight from the horses mouth.

[markone2]

As for spark plugs... are they worn out? Did the piston slap damage them? If not why do you feel they should be replaced under warranty??

Don't give up the computers for a career in Mechanical Trades just yet Stu. ;) I don't quite think we are quite ready for such foward thinking cost cutting measures .......just yet.

[LX346]

Seeing as they are doing the BARE essentials on your piston change and there not going to do it again, why not opt for a change of cam and a few other tricks whilst its getting pulled apart and reassembled and save money as its free labour for you.

[Oldmonroman]

I though the manager that looked at my car was a bit blunt, I was polite so was he but I have a feeling he is sick of these rebuilds, Also he told me after the rebuild it still could be the same.
What bothers me don't they use a micrometer to measure the bore and do similar to the pistons?, or is it a case of get the new pistons and throw them in
to hell with accuracy?.

[markone2]

Trouble is mine still made noise when hot, yes just after the fans cut out.


I'm looking at my workorder here from Dealership.
*Gudgeon Pin Rattle Around 60-70 Deg C*
Faxed for new Engine **/**/****

Hot rattle at under 20K is in the critera for new engine..

Re...Pistons
Hyundai have much to answer for :thump: imho...they gave Australia the Excel ,which introduced us to the throwaway car era......now it seems we have the throwaway repair era :eek:.......just my view...ps..check with Mongy re the pistons

[mbpr]

I know this has nothing to do with a ls1 but I bought a new rodeo about 5 weeks ago. On the Second week i had it with 1100 kms on the clock it dropped the big end bearing and basically crapped itself :bash: This is no good as i run a business from this ute being a plumber i need my ute every day all set up the way it is. told holden i wanted a new ute didnt care :mad: So next week after they fit new motor car is a peice of crap my old ute was better. Having consistent problems with it. Last friday pulled up at a job went to leave starter craps itself wait 3 hours for tow truck :bash: have apprentice with me no work done again. ring holden give it to them and no response.Not happy as have always been a holden man and at the end of the day They dont Care. If anyone has any suggestions that would be greatly apprecitated.Thanks

[fatas]

re off track i have a 9 month 2004 v6 4x4 lt duel cab rodeo $46600 out the door and it has 38000 km on it motor number 2 and this one is no good either first motor 18 to 23 lt per hundred and 3 lt of oil per 5k now new motor first 5k 2 lt oil next 4k .4 of a lt fuel down to 16lt per hundred i to use this as my work shop as i fix and repair hoists in workshops i know of a dealer that has 46 of these v6 rodeos with the motor out for different reasons oil cam flogged out bottom end knock the list goes on dealr trying to do there best but i think it is court time going toi cost a lot but i just want a refund. may be buy a new vz ute 5.7 auto ah yes that is better. :(

[smoke]

Can anyone say, " Class action/law suit ". There is absolutely no excuse for ALL these continued problems. My stato has 106000 kms on it, and for some reason i keep thinking it has too many kays on it, for it to be any good! BOLLOCKS!!!! Thats Holden Marketing putting bull crap in my head. Same goes for all this oil consumption, noisey engine problems, they are just trying to make us believe it is just the way it is. Well, its not the way it should be.( I would have got rid off stato after 2nd g'box rebuild, but there is nothing comparable out there! And new holdens are getting worse!) Complain, and complain loudly people!!!!!!!!

[Bluey]

Although not coming as a complete surprise having read numerous posts on the subject, it's still a significant disapointment. Holden NZ have however agreed to a rebuild following an inspection. Not using oil but obvious piston slap and gudgeon noises which do not lessen when hot. Clearly no amount of proper runing in procedures, regular 5000k oil/filter changes and sensible driving was able to prevent this problem. Despite the somewhat daunting prospect of having my 2 year old motor motor in pieces with no real guarantee that the problem will not occur again, I have to say that I've thorougly enjoyed the last 28,000kms motoring in the SV8 and look forward hopefully to the next.

[OzJavelin]

Nice ....... it's really sad to see so many people in the same boat as me (SV8 rebuild@ 80,000km). GenIIIs are a great performance engine, but I just can't shake the feeling that something is inheritly wrong with the design? Historically I'm an old Mopar fan (383 and 440 powered Phoenix(es), etc), but I had a '68 Impala SS coupe with a VERY sweet 327/PG. Chev GenI's are rightfully one of the BEST engines ever build. Compact, powerful, economical .. and quite. Something's gone wrong in the intervening years?

I'm my rebuild goes south, I'll be looking for a 220kW AUII ... at least I can rebuild the damn thing myself :lol:

Rod.

[Oldmonroman]

How do you think I feel, My car has only got 11,200 k's on the clock and it hasen't been on a wet road yet and it has to get the engine removed and rebuilt. if mine goes south I will never buy a new car from Holden again.

[Chris52]

How do you think I feel, My car has only got 11,200 k's on the clock and it hasen't been on a wet road yet and it has to get the engine removed and rebuilt. if mine goes south I will never buy a new car from Holden again.

You must look at your HQ GTS rather fondly I bet.