Attitude of some moderators - Poor

[pagey]

I have removed this video file from my server.
I stopped allowing videos on there months ago due to my limit of bandwidth transfers per month as allot of you found out the end of last month.

If people are not willing to read the Hosting FAQ, dont use it at all.

That was the response from one of our moderators after I inadvertantly uploaded a small 1.2mb file to their server.

I had no idea this particular person had implemented such changes ( I have been utilising (and appreciate) the offer for some time) and a simple pm stating this would have been all that was required. Instead this was put up, as though I committed a capital crime of sorts!

I can understand that that a lot of the time Mods feel are repeating information over and over, but that is what comes with being involved in a large growing forum. If you are not prepared to put the time and effort into helping and guiding the forum and in particular the new members then perhaps this is not the job for you.

There are many very helpful mods on here.. however there is a minority of people that seem to use their position to push their own agenda. Some of the recent replies by mods have disgusted me, remember you are mean to be setting the standards here.

I would likke to see the results of some of these comments being said face to face rather than behind the anymosity of the keyboard.

[XLR8 V8]

In defence of the owner of the server, the rule about not allowing videos on there has been stated and re-stated quite a number of times over the last few months, so I really don't know how you've missed it. As he said, it's right thee in the thread about the hosting to boot. That server was provided as a courtesy to LS1 members, but you should consider that he also uses it to host files for other more important files - so I can certainly understand him being really pissed about the provider suspending his server due to exceeding bandwidth - because it impacts far more than just some simple car pics on these forums. Your small video file may not have been responsible for that increase in data, but it came right at the same time as people putting larger files on there that did, so you may have copped a less tactful response than normal.
But.........
In reading your quote of what he posted, I really can't see why you have taken it as personally as you appear to have done? :confused:

[Haroc]

ok... where to start..
Ill start by posting a very important link.
READ ME! (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=34667)

Ok, it was posted 4 months ago about no videos to be hosted on MY server and i stated i would remove ANYTHING that i deem unwanted without asking.
The service is provided by MYSELF and not the moderating team, they have nothing to do with it, so dont look at this as a 'moderator power trip' so to speak, because I would have said the same thing if I was just a normal user.
So therefor your topic is all wrong and shouldnt be aimed at the moderators as a whole, but the user Haroc.. I am the only moderator that has full control over that hosting which is my personal hosting that I pay for and let the users of LS1.com.au use FOR FREE, I really dont see a problem with anything I have done and if you dont like the way I run it, dont use it. Its really that simple.

Haroc

[Fabio's CV8]

pagey.

Thanks for the feedback.
In my opinion any feedback is good feedback :)

Yes you have a point that our job can be repetitive at times and yes we should should set a good example. I have also been a victim of this crime many times. :)

We can only do what we can do. Remember we also have jobs and lifes to live outside of here as well.

Cheers.

[pagey]

pagey.

Thanks for the feedback.
In my opinion any feedback is good feedback :)

Yes you have a point that our job can be repetitive at times and yes we should should set a good example. I have also been a victim of this crime many times. :)

We can only do what we can do. Remember we also have jobs and lifes to live outside of here as well.

Cheers.

No Problem...

I always wait to reply to issues.. to take the emotion out of things.. we all have bad days... and as I said - most of those with the "power" on here are pretty damn good..

Although you can never put an old head on young shoulders as they say...

For those that are getting agro.. it's a democracy guys.. I'm not directing anything personally hence the not naming of people... and I am always open to discussion....

[pagey]

I really dont see a problem with anything I have done and if you dont like the way I run it, dont use it. Its really that simple.

Haroc

No Problem.
Please feel free to delete my account.
I acknolowdge I did not see your post re videos etc..

As I said your offer was appreciated. Your attitude wasn't.

[Haroc]

Sorry you took it that way, But as XLR8 stated, this is my own personal webspace that is the home to more then just ls1.com.au pictures.. Thats all I need to say.

[RIDE:42]

Top marks to the MODS here for leting this thread stay open to debate this topic :) I can see both sides of this being a mod on other forums :rolleyes: and i will say you blokes have more patience than me :lol:

[XLR8 V8]

For those that are getting agro.. it's a democracy guys.. I'm not directing anything personally hence the not naming of people... and I am always open to discussion....


Those getting agro? :confused: Nothing has been stated here but facts Pagey .... like I said, you seem to be taking all this business WAYYY too personally ..... it's just the internet mate :D Go and take the ute for a drive to relax :D

[Devil CV8]

For those that are getting agro.. it's a democracy guys.. I'm not directing anything personally hence the not naming of people... and I am always open to discussion....
Considering there is only 1 person on here who out of the goodness of his heart has allowed hosting on the server that he pays the $$, and also happens to be a mod, you as good as named the person you thought was having an attitude towards you. It seems that when some generous people allow video and picture hosting to occur and the only stipulations are, not to large in size without asking, not to link to other forums.... we get some people who abuse that fact (not saying you have) and link all over the place, bandwidth goes through the roof, and the bandwidth owner suddenly finds themself either with a big bill, or no service.....

And I'm surprised that it hasn't already been said, this site is not a democracy, it is owned/run by the administrators who set the rules for the site and day to day running is assisted by a team of mods who do it for the love of it.... this site is not the be all and end all of their life...


Time to take a chill pill.

[Haroc]

Devil, you just hit the nail on the head.

[V-Car]

No Problem...

So Haroc can take that as an apology then? ;)

[VooDoo]

Actually a few ppl host files for the site. I no longer publicly do it due to some of the content being improperly used. For Validated members that require hosting of any files (inc movies) they can PM me. Its not an official service, nor affiliated with the forum or Mods. Pagey if you want something hosted let me know.

Haroc has done a great service for a long time in hosting files, i know how much it can cost at times (1200gig was downloaded off my server one month from files originally posted on here). While its offered as free service, dont forget someone always pays. Donating a few $ Haroc's way to help with costs could be a good idea from time to time.

[pagey]

No apology required - by either party.. I think we are all big enough to speak our minds.

Reading over my post I would agree with Haroc though that I did somewhat confuse two issues.. that of over aggressive Mods.. and this separate issue.

The overall point I am trying to put accross is that recently the responses by some mods are way over the top.. especially to new guys that may not be totally familiar with the ins and outs of the site - yes they should read and get familiar with them.. but cut them some slack.. we have all been there.

Haroc (& others), That is why I got my fur up re your response - If I were a new guy with a first post.. I would have felt pretty unwelcome.. I can certainly see your side - just asking you put yourself in others shoes also.

I'm quite happy for people to disagree with me - I don't hold any grudges.... I thought it needed to be said so I said it, end of story.

[Mongy]

Haroc has done a great service for a long time in hosting files, i know how much it can cost at times (1200gig was downloaded off my server one month from files originally posted on here). While its offered as free service, dont forget someone always pays. Donating a few $ Haroc's way to help with costs could be a good idea from time to time.Too right VooDoo, and it is a FREE service. I think some tend to forget that sometimes. I have been tempted to use it but don't because I frequent other sites as well, I pay for my own hosting so I don't take advantage of others generosity. I have heard of people using his site to post pictures on other websites, that is just not fair. Some are not in the position where they can access hosting and only want to post here so what Haroc does for those guys is a great service, but at the end of the day it is HIS hosting, and he can do with it as he feels fit, the same as you can Stewie, same as Sidie can with this site, he owns it. In other words don't shoot a guy down because he happens to be a moderator and because he won't do what you want.

[pagey]

In other words don't shoot a guy down because he happens to be a moderator and because he won't do what you want.


C'mon.. I think you missed the point.. I am hardly throwing a tantrum because my crappy vid was pulled.. rather the way in which it was.

I have twice said that it was appreciated, I understand that it is offered free and agree Haroc is able to do with it whatever he chooses at his own discretion.

Obviously there is no point me blabbering on about it... so the point has been raised, and as far as I am concerned you can take it on board.. or flame away. No more from me on it.

Oops.. one last thing - If people are going to go to the trouble of posting negative reputation points, have the decency toleave your name or a comment.


Cheers
Pagey.

[Devil CV8]

Devil, you just hit the nail on the head.

I do have lucid moments from time to time... lol


and no, I have no info in regards to the Mawson murder (Canberraites will have seen the news..45yo dead in the same unit block at mawson that I live in.)

Pagey, If I left neg rep, I'd leave a message as part of the neg. (I haven't left any on this thread though)

[Doug]

As I imagine with most forums on the Internet, the moderators here are simply enthusiasts on the subject matter. They don’t have formal training, and were not provided with a 50-page instruction manual. Because they have different backgrounds, outlooks, opinions and tolerance levels, they are not always consistent.

Pagey – I think you do have a valid point. Not specifically against an individual, but the mod’s here are not always as helpful as we might be. I think I’ve seen most of us say or do something inappropriate at one time or another. Send a polite PM, and I think you’ll find most of us will pull our head in and apologise / rectify the issue. (If we agree!)

[HRT Stroker]

As someone here who made the transition from member to Moderator I can assure you that as a member, you see about 1/4 of what goes on to run this forum. There are countless emails, thousands of posts to approve etc, etc.

Moderators do their best to greet and welcome those who are new, but we do expect that those who are new will heed the friendly advice to SEARCH and READ stickies etc etc.

You' be suprised how many don't, despite being advised on how things work.

Imagine how many people upload gear to Haroc's server without bothering to read the complete "How too"? They must read some of it - that's how they get the files up in the first place........ :rolleyes:

So if Haroc gets 15 people a week doing it wrong because they dont read, how long would you think it would take to get tired of PM'ing every one of those users politely informing them of the rules.........over three months!!

I can understand you may be upset by the tenor of Haroc's reply, however I don't believe posting a thread to have a go is the correct response, perhaps this sentiment may have lead those who DID read and DO use this FREE service to pass on negative reputation.

The Moderators are responsible for keeping balance on this forum, and with the large numbers and ego's involved it is no small task, 12 or so Mods (I think) and 9,000 members...... :eek:

A little tact and some further discussion with Haroc may have been the better way to go here IMHO. :idea:

I have read your post and Haroc's PM doesn't come accross as particularly harsh. Plenty worse things said on internet forum's!!!! ;)

[Doug]

The mod's seem to be busy... ;) I found some comments I had made previously on this topic that relates. I've touched up and posted here.

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Just as way of partial explanation (but not excuse), here’s an idea of what being a forum moderator here means. (Keep in mind other forums would have a much greater volume, and this isn’t an exhaustive idea…)

You get over 500 extra emails a month, varying volumes of direct PMs, cast an eye over the new and updated thread listings once a day (usually between 80 and 150), address minor forum administration requests (registration / activation / password / name changes / validation / post approval / reported posts etc), answer questions, liase with external entities (business, media etc), debate and formulate responses and guidelines to forum issues, and of course moderate threads. The Admins have further work related to the technical running of the forum.

In amongst all this we deal with a wide range of people – from the totally polite to … well .. you can imagine.

All of this is on time freely given. Little wonder our demeanour sometimes strays from being pleasant. ;)

Cut us some slack some days :lol:

[Doug]

On the topic of a better forum governance…

I glanced at a competing forum a while back after being invited. There was a comment about how a regular response on here was an unhelpful “use the search button”. That was actually a good point.

This is an established forum that has been around for a few years now, so it has developed its own etiquette of sorts. I think the forum is basically pretty friendly and open to new members, but there are certainly things new members can do that put others offside.

I think the solution is relatively easy. We should just be more polite about the suggestion of using the search function. “Hi, there is a lot of information on that topic. Use the search function, and if you are unsure of anything, need an explanation, or have a specific question, please ask.”

It doesn't always take much to do things a little better.

[VooDoo]

Try joining/admining a forum with over 60'000 members. Not only are there a lot more "personalities" to deal with, the average age is a lot lower (puberty is a new thing there) and most questions have actually been asked and answered at some point. Just the fact you own a holden is reason enough to get abused. Try moderating a forum with questions such as "how do i ask out a girl" and what should i do when i leave school. At least the questions here are (mostly) intelligent.

I get called a Nazi admin at least once a week.

Even the worst members and the harshest of Admins seemed to have found common ground or they simple left (at times forcebly)

My point is, Moderators, Admins and lowly members are all people too, they will all get shitty from time to time. They will snap at someone, get pissed off and both cause and be the target of someones abuses.

Its an internet forum and generally we arent children. If a mod slaps you down for something, take it on the chin and move on. Its not personal. On the other hand if a member questions a mod the same thing applies. In this case both parties got a bit cranky over an issue, shit happens and both are big enough to accept the others view and deal with it.

[Haroc]

Sheet, this thread is turning good.
I still dont see anything wrong with my reply, Pagey had been a member for long enough to know how things run, and im sure he knows how to read also.
If i pulled my service, we'd get another 50 emails a day asking how to post pictures, thats on top of the 20 a day we already get. Ill be happy to forward these on to anyone who wants to look after them....
I could just make the service for Validated members and then ban anyone who does anything against the rules i have set... but that would be a little harsh. I take it upon myself to download files, resize them and upload them because people cant be bothered or have no idea how to read my HOW TO.

[sloone]

On the whole I have to give my appreciation to the mods who are just people doing something they like for little or no return, but like everyone get annoyed with repeating themselves. I hate repeating myself, lucky I don't stutter then isn't it.
It is just like at work or play you have to deal with a multitude of different egos/personalities etc and you can't please everyone all the time.
I hate everyone equally :cussing: , I don't try to please anyone :stick: , I never say YES to a boss who wants to hear it :soap: , I always come up with one liners in a serious meeting :jester: and I always under promise and over deliver :deal: .
Anyway thats just my 2c worth but as you can't give change I will have to give you 5 cents and say keep the change, see under promise and over deliver. :lol:

[Devil CV8]

It is just like at work or play you have to deal with a multitude of different egos/personalities etc :
I got a phone call from a previous work colleague asking what penalty he would get for apprenticeide........ (you'd have to see how he works/stuffups, and talks to, um yeh, I think I'm almost positive customers)



Not to mention there aren't to many people I know who mangae to crash 1 work car, into another work car with the boss watching.......