Richo and Ingall in WA.

[BionicXR6T]

:D Great to see Steve Richards break Larrys dry spell in WA.
:lol: How about Russells victory lap after the last race?
Bet the killjoys fine him anyway :rolleyes:
:mad: Im a ford fan through and through but what a stupid move
by Ambrose trying to push Skaifey out onto the grass at the first
corner! Dumb thing to do!! He deserved more than just a drive through.

[6LtrLimo]

What did Rusty do ???

[fatas]

did a lap sitting on the intrusion bars with the door open waveing car in first or second 30 or 40 kmh very dumb good weekend of raceing though. go the holdens. :lol:

[Tre-Cool]

what was the outcome of the weekend? i have no t.v here.

[fatas]

steven richo first then ingal then ambrose then skaife go to www.v8supercar.com.au

[Brendan]

Pretty good racing, Ambrose picked up a bit of redneck on his NASCAR trip over the last couple of weeks, agro boy on the track.

Brad Jones on his roof again, I'm picking he'll be getting sick of that.

[Cat755]

:D Great to see Steve Richards break Larrys dry spell in WA.
:lol: How about Russells victory lap after the last race?
Bet the killjoys fine him anyway :rolleyes:
:mad: Im a ford fan through and through but what a stupid move
by Ambrose trying to push Skaifey out onto the grass at the first
corner! Dumb thing to do!! He deserved more than just a drive through.

Ambrose also copped a 25 point reduction, as well as the drive through penalty, for that little stunt. He is becoming quite aggressive lately.

[GEN III]

Ambrose also copped a 25 point reduction, as well as the drive through penalty, for that little stunt. He is becoming quite aggressive lately.


His just an idiot. :mad:

I'm a Holden fan as you may already know and a fan of Lowndes who happens to drive a Ford, but that move was just wrong. Ambrose has the car pace and could have picked Skaife off at the next corner anyway.
He should just leave now and go hangout with Geff Gordon. His not committed long term to V8's in Australia, so piss off. No one cares about you Ambrose other then your little XR8, XR6 owner wannabies and fan boys. If I was a Fan of him I would be very disappointed after that effort. Here's hoping he doesnt win the championship even if it is another Ford as long as it's not Ambrose.


If it was Lowndes what would that say to all the Ambrose die hard fans.

[fatas]

i to am a lowndes fan but ambrose just shits me !!! there are ford fans , holden fans and then there is the wanker ambrose fans that go off half ****ed when he clearly in the wrong. :mad:

[SV8VY]

Well its nice to see some entertainment anyway.
Did you see the speed they reached down the straight ...250 km then 180 around the corner :eek:
Id love to have a go around the track in any of those cars out there (preferably the Holden :D ) but beggars cant be choosers so a Ford will do :cool:

[mgygto]

wow hasn't the wheel turned ..... we now hate Ambrose and love Ingall :lol:

[JT]

wow hasn't the wheel turned ..... we now hate Ambrose and love Ingall :lol:
Nah,I've always hated Ambrose :booty:

[fatas]

who said we like ingall ? :)

[V8R]

ambrose has always been a ****y prick, skaife can be as well but does it all with clean efficiency.. ingall has always been a favourite, sort of reminds me of the Joker out of batman with that clown-grin he has ;) always the showman too.. Lowndes, personal fave, always the professional, always a smile, cant remember him ever "blaming" someone for anything. I always watch larry's camp, whoever is driving for him, one of my mates is a leccy for his team.
Murphy is my current top driver, but fark what a shit weekend he ended up with, specially after the highs of the last race!

JM

[Nawdy]

Id love to have a go around the track in any of those cars out there (preferably the Holden :D ) but beggars cant be choosers so a Ford will do :cool:

There is someone who is just setting up a go-kart business at Barbagello Raceway ATM. He will be using the full track, and the carts are twin-engined jobbies that will pull some quick speeds.

Maybe not V8 Supercars but these carts will be quick enough to hold your attention! :D

[V8R]

i'd pay for a lash in one of those! tho, i do wonder about the twin engine thing, i would have thought a 600cc thumper engine would have been plenty :D

[hoon69]

INSERT TISSUE ICON HERE!


He should just leave now and go hangout with Geff Gordon jeff gordon mate its with a "J"
jeff gordon is a world class nascar driver been in the game long enough and drives hard all the time and never gives up nor puts up with crap.

No one cares about you Ambrose other then your little XR8, XR6 owner wannabies and fan boys wow aint we just abit off our medication ay im a sbr ambrose fan and regardless will remain that way and just cause i am a fan doesnt mean i approve of everything he does. nor does it mean im a xr6 xr8 boy either,i just aint a one eyed one minded supporter,he has made a few mistakes so what name a driver who hasnt,name a driver who hasnt mouthed off,his No1 and everyone hates it thats why he gets the attention he does.(bad feedback on forums etc)

If I was a Fan of him I would be very disappointed after that effort im disappointed more to the fact of what he said after the race then what he did in the race,yeah he could of left room and maybe should of but both those guys weren'tgiving a inch it was bound to happen*just remembering the ingall/skaife clash at E.C* why should skaife give ambrose the corner
and why should ambrose give skaife the lead as he was clearly in front until skaife made that 2nd huge lunge under brakes
they both cop'd the price for it and for skaife to say it wasn't enough is crap.



me im a radisich fan was hoping he'd do well as he's been a top 10 runner alot this year shame him n wilson lucked out at W.A

well done to sbr for the 2,3rd overall

and more so to ingall and richards for running a incident free and great race and for richo for breaking his 4plus yr winning drought.

[GEN III]

You forgot to quote my quote but you got everything else. Can you sleep better tonight after that effort? Welcome to the ignore list. :booty:

[mrvs96]

yer when i first saw that incident (while being surrounded by ford fans at work) i thought skaifey u idiot why didnt u give him room. After watching the incident several times they are not even at the corner when ambrose moves over. sure skaife wasnt far enough up the side to make a move at the corner but ambrose came and hit him b4 they reached the corner.bad move

Not sure about 25 points penalty but then again marcos made a similar move on lowndes at NZ.

Relate it back to Ingall and Skaife at Eastern Creek 2003....skaife 'didnt' give sufficient room to ingall, so ingall pushed back. ambrose didnt give skaife room so he pushed back. racing incident

As far as Marcos ambrose winge at the end lol ford boys can start calling him rick if they want ahaha :lol:

[matty s]

g'day fellas
I Was at the races all weekend and i have to say,top weekend!
The 2 hour friday session was great plenty of action 9 red flags from memory
But the dissapointment of the weekend was the skaife v ambrose incident,ruined my weekend :(
after the first race i thought skaifie was on for a good weekend, but eh shit happens

Hoon69,mate you need ya specs checked!!!!!!
skaife did nt lunge under brakes the second time he could not stop as he was in the grass!!

Might be a good idea to grow a brain before the next round eh marcos

[Patrick]

Ambrose also copped a 25 point reduction, as well as the drive through penalty, for that little stunt. He is becoming quite aggressive lately.

What do you mean lately?
I've thought that for a while!
I'm glad he was penalised, he is getting too ****y.
No so good for Skaife, he came off second best and all he was doing was sticky to his line and Ambrose tried to shove him off the track. :mad:

[hoon69]

Hoon69,mate you need ya specs checked!!!!!! go watch the in car footage of marcos ambrose car he was 99% past skaife when he started to move over,skaife made a crap start and made a double lunge within 100mtrs at the cnr i agree ambrose should of left room,but skaife wasnt going to make up 3/4 of a car under brake against ambrose thats just a plain fact not without shunting him in the cnr himself (which was gunna happen if ambrose did leave room anyways)

skaife takes off with a crap start
ambrose gets a good start
ambrose pulls 3/4 on skaife and heads for the corner moving over slightly
skaife goes "no way matey" and lunges
ambrose keeps moving over and skaife has 2 wheels in dirt/grass
wheels lock biff n barge skaife is on grass locks together with ford and both head for the sand trap
yep i agree ambrose was wrong he shoulda made room but name a driver who would yield whilst in 1st to a guy in 2nd who got a crap start?
skaife got desperate as did ambrose,the only thing i'm disappointed about is his reaction/response after the race wasn't a good thing to be saying about the best series in australia/world.


You forgot to quote my quote but you got everything else. Can you sleep better tonight after that effort? Welcome to the ignore list. welcome to the "I am Lame" list!

[mgygto]

yep i agree ambrose was wrong he shoulda made room but name a driver who would yield whilst in 1st to a guy in 2nd who got a crap start?
skaife got desperate as did ambrose,the only thing i'm disappointed about is his reaction/response after the race wasn't a good thing to be saying about the best series in australia/world.

!

the simple fact is that on that racing line Ambrose had no right to move across which is why he was black flagged and docked points. It is irrelevant whether he was ahead or behind, Skaife had the racing line to the corner, Ambrose did not - which is why he was black flagged and docked points. The only thing to look at in that situation is whether the cars had any overlap which they did which gives the car on the racing line the right to hold the line and the car on outside has to yield - which Ambrose didn't which is why he was black flagged and docked points. Ambrose took a punt that Skaife would back off which he didn't , he just held the line he was entitled to hold until he was out of control after the hit. Frankly the 25 point penalty was light , it should have at least matched the points lost by Skaife because of the incident - in other words Ambrose should not have earned more points in that race than Skaife did.

[GEN III]

the simple fact is that on that racing line Ambrose had no right to move across which is why he was black flagged and docked points. It is irrelevant whether he was ahead or behind, Skaife had the racing line to the corner, Ambrose did not - which is why he was black flagged and docked points. The only thing to look at in that situation is whether the cars had any overlap which they did which gives the car on the racing line the right to hold the line and the car on outside has to yield - which Ambrose didn't which is why he was black flagged and docked points. Ambrose took a punt that Skaife would back off which he didn't , he just held the line he was entitled to hold until he was out of control after the hit. Frankly the 25 point penalty was light , it should have at least matched the points lost by Skaife because of the incident - in other words Ambrose should not have earned more points in that race than Skaife did.

There's no point convincing that hoon69 idiot. Yep I’m so lame I use 69 in my name, of all the number sequences you could use. Your wife’s probably so fat you have never had the opportunity to try that position, and in spite you come to these forums nit picking forum posts. "How lame" as quoted by you. :lol:

Troll!

[devsy]

go watch the in car footage of marcos ambrose car he was 99% past skaife when he started to move over,skaife made a crap start and made a double lunge within 100mtrs at the cnr i agree ambrose should of left room,but skaife wasnt going to make up 3/4 of a car under brake against ambrose thats just a plain fact not without shunting him in the cnr himself (which was gunna happen if ambrose did leave room anyways)

skaife takes off with a crap start
ambrose gets a good start
ambrose pulls 3/4 on skaife and heads for the corner moving over slightly
skaife goes "no way matey" and lunges
ambrose keeps moving over and skaife has 2 wheels in dirt/grass
wheels lock biff n barge skaife is on grass locks together with ford and both head for the sand trap
yep i agree ambrose was wrong he shoulda made room but name a driver who would yield whilst in 1st to a guy in 2nd who got a crap start?
skaife got desperate as did ambrose,the only thing i'm disappointed about is his reaction/response after the race wasn't a good thing to be saying about the best series in australia/world.

welcome to the "I am Lame" list!

As I understand it if there is any overlap on the straight then you cannot just run the other guy off into the dirt - thats what skaife is eluding to in his press releases. As for him being 99% past - if ambroses rear wheel hits skaife's front then the back of a BA must be pretty short...

as for ambrose getting a good start - again i disagree, they both had ordinary starts.

I was at the track all weekend - was interesting to hear the change in the crowd from cheering Ambrose on to cheering when he goes off or when the 25 point deduction was announced.

IMHO Ambrose was a fair racer and came accross a nice guy - the last couple of rounds seem to show me a different side.

great to see Richo break the drought.

[hoon69]

There's no point convincing that hoon69 idiot. Yep I’m so lame I use 69 in my name, of all the number sequences you could use. Your wife’s probably so fat you have never had the opportunity to try that position, and in spite you come to these forums nit picking forum posts. "How lame" as quoted by you. :lol:

Troll!that hoon69 idiot lol mate your the one getting all revved up,go look at my join date i didnt join here to pick forums i came to give a opinion gave it you can out up n shutup or leave,i had this name longer then you been on the net for,i didnt need to go the personal attacks and the lame attempts to attack a women you dont know,immaturity seems to favour you on this topic.
take a deep breathe
take it on the chin
and learn to accept and respect others opinions whether im supporting or not supporting you beloved skaifey
i'm a radisich fan so i aint biased..

TROLL: proves a point on how lame your reply is mate! :box:

[GEN III]

i didnt join here to pick forums i came to give a opinion gave it you can out up n shutup or leave



Take your own advice!
Want to discuss it anymore use the PM feature Jnr.



Now back on topic.

Seems Ambrose might be copping another fine for his off track outburst.

[JT]

Seems Ambrose might be copping another fine for his off track outburst.
There would be no point coz SBR would appeal it & get off anyway

[GEN III]

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There would be no point coz SBR would appeal it & get off anyway

Well he was warned last year to clean up his act, and that he would be watched more closely after the brake test incident. This is just adding fuel to the already growing fire. Some how I don’t think SBR will get away with it this time if it goes any further.


Also a Q for you fellas.

Can you remember the compulsory tire pit stop for HRT in Race 1, where they used 2 rattle gun's on 1 side of the car (left side I think). Apparently in the same race DJR did the same thing but with 1 wheel at a time because that's what the rules stipulate.

Is it me or what?

[Patrick]

the simple fact is that on that racing line Ambrose had no right to move across which is why he was black flagged and docked points. It is irrelevant whether he was ahead or behind, Skaife had the racing line to the corner, Ambrose did not - which is why he was black flagged and docked points. The only thing to look at in that situation is whether the cars had any overlap which they did which gives the car on the racing line the right to hold the line and the car on outside has to yield - which Ambrose didn't which is why he was black flagged and docked points. Ambrose took a punt that Skaife would back off which he didn't , he just held the line he was entitled to hold until he was out of control after the hit. Frankly the 25 point penalty was light , it should have at least matched the points lost by Skaife because of the incident - in other words Ambrose should not have earned more points in that race than Skaife did.

WELL SAID !

Ambrose got off lightly and should have lost the equivalent Skaife lost.

I watched the race on Sunday at a BBQ with my brother and 2 brothers-in-law, one of them is a die-hard Ford fan, even he agreed Ambrose is getting a bit hot-headed, was in the wrong, and was out of line what he said at the end of the race.
He prefers Ingall as a champion !!!

Seems even Ford guys are turning off Ambrose, maybe running off to America at the end of the year has something to do with it ??????? :lol:

That's Ford loyalty for ya! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[BionicXR6T]

Ambrose also copped a 25 point reduction, as well as the drive through penalty, for that little stunt. He is becoming quite aggressive lately.
The 25 points Marcos lost should have been given to Skaifey, and thats
coming from a ford fan!!

[matty s]

[QUOTE=GEN III]
Also a Q for you fellas.

Can you remember the compulsory tire pit stop for HRT in Race 1, where they used 2 rattle gun's on 1 side of the car (left side I think). Apparently in the same race DJR did the same thing but with 1 wheel at a time because that's what the rules stipulate.

Is it me or what?


GEN III you are dead right!In HRTs stop they did the entire left hand side at once(we were in the corprate tent right behint HRTs bunker so yeah we saw it)And what DJR did was by the book.Neil Crompton said in the commentary that the rules are not that clear about what you can and cant do!May have to look up the AVESCO Rule book for this one :D

[V8R]

... later clarified after reading it himself, that you can only have one gun per side, even if you choose to only change the working side of the car.. so technically, even djr were in the wrong, but a whole lot closer to the rules than those that used 2 guns on the one side.. personally i liked the 4 guns per car better.. made for more exciting stops.

JM

[Doug]

Skaife - Ambrose Incident.wmv (http://www.mtfile.com/temp/MT05_V8SC_R3_SkaifeAmbrose.wmv) 4,344Kb

While I guess within the rules Ambrose was at fault, personally I think Skaife showed some bad sportsmanship. He messed up the start - Ambrose was clearly in front of him. The first hit seemed to be a fair way back - behind the b pilar, only then did he shoot forward. I think he should have given Ambrose racing room.

At the same time - Ambrose has failed to do that to others, including Lowndes the other week. He just seems to have come out of them better...

[mgygto]

Skaife - Ambrose Incident.wmv (http://www.mtfile.com/temp/MT05_V8SC_R3_SkaifeAmbrose.wmv) 4,344Kb

While I guess within the rules Ambrose was at fault, personally I think Skaife showed some bad sportsmanship. He messed up the start - Ambrose was clearly in front of him. The first hit seemed to be a fair way back - behind the b pilar, only then did he shoot forward. I think he should have given Ambrose racing room.

..

The first contact was Skaifes left front, with Ambrose's right rear. After that Skaife didn't lunge, he had no control because of the broken steering arm.
In commenting on Ambrose being in front, firstly any driver on an outside line can get to the front at the first corner by late braking and moving across cutting off the driver on pole, which is why the rule on "overlapping" is in place. The poor sportsmanship was actually from Ambrose in that he was never ever going to be a car length clear by the first corner so he took a punt that Skaife would back off knowing if he didn't it would cause an incident. And it did. Ambrose did the same thing to Jamie Winchup later when he lunged on the inside and took a punt on Winchup backing off - which he did...if Winchup had held the racing line that he was entitled to ( like a Murphy, Lowndes, Skaife would have done ) then there would have been another collision.

There is no doubt that Ambrose has become the most arrogant driver in the series and the Number 1 has certainly gone to head. Which is a shame because he used be a reasonable guy that most fans admired....his verbal spray over the incar radio back to pits was a disgrace for a national champ and started to show perhaps his true personality rather than the smiling cliche we see at the end of races.

[98Club]

Thanks for the video, refreshed the old memory. OK, Ambrose was in front by some margin, but since when does a car have to yield in a straight line? They weren't even close to the corner when the first contact was made, so Ambrose should never have been coming across, and was penalised accordingly. If he'd stayed over his side of the track, he would have been on the race line proper, and may have had enough grip to actually pass Skaife cleanly before the corner. I guess we'll never know....

As for the rattle guns, this is from the AVESCO Sporting Rules -
© AVESCO –2005 Division “D” Page D 25
11.7.9 During all CPS’s at a Sprint Round, Teams must have two (2) air impact tools
allocated to each side of the Car,
11.7.9.1 Only two (2) air impact tool are permitted to be used during a CPS
unless Rule D 11.7.9.2 applies.
11.7.9.2 In the event of a failure of an air impact tool during a CPS, the Team will
be permitted to replace the air impact tool suffering the failure with the
other air impact tool allocated to that side of the Car.
11.7.9.3 The failed air impact tool must be placed next to the replacement tool
before the replacement tool is permitted to be used.
11.7.9.4 Throwing an air impact tool from one Team member to another is not
permitted.
11.7.9.5 No air impact tool is permitted to be used on both sides of a Car during a
CPS.

Seems like you can have 4 guns, but only use two during any CPS.

[plonkerchops]

There is no doubt that Ambrose has become the most arrogant driver in the series and the Number 1 has certainly gone to head. Which is a shame because he used be a reasonable guy that most fans admired....his verbal spray over the incar radio back to pits was a disgrace for a national champ and started to show perhaps his true personality rather than the smiling cliche we see at the end of races.

too true, and that first became apparent when he won his very first championship and all he could crap on about was ' gonna go get me those no1 stickers off Skaife right now ' ...........or words to that effect
he didnt say it once but a few times and it wasnt said in a jocular sense. I didnt mind the guy up until that point .
One thing worse that a sore loser ...and that bad winner..

[matty s]

QUOTE 98 Club If he'd stayed over his side of the track, he would have been on the race line proper, and may have had enough grip to actually pass Skaife cleanly before the corner. I guess we'll never know....

Gday 98 Club,When you go into turn 1 at wanneroo (Cat Corner)the racing line into that corner is a one car corner only,as the track has a big camber change about 20 meters from the first turn,get on the wrong side of that and she is all over.about 2 years ago we were the for friday practice,we go every year,there were a few rookies to the series Paul Dumbrell was one and so was Mark Winterbottom from memory,they had real troble with that corner most of the weekend.So it is no wonder that ambrose tried to get over so quickly,if he had'nt he would have lost the corner and would have had to go wide on to the marbles and most likely lost 2-3 places

[Animal]

Judging by the video footage, Skaife was never going to make the first corner. He was still pushing when Ambrose was braking heavily.

If Ambrose had of backed off, Skaife would have ended up in the sand anyways. No great loss :D

[Patrick]

Has everyone noticed how the crowds reaction to Ambrose on the podium has changed as well?

Ingall's now the one who gets less boooooo's !!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mgygto]

Judging by the video footage, Skaife was never going to make the first corner. He was still pushing when Ambrose was braking heavily.

If Ambrose had of backed off, Skaife would have ended up in the sand anyways. No great loss :D


:lol: you obviously didn't watch the footage :lol:

[98Club]

QUOTE 98 Club If he'd stayed over his side of the track, he would have been on the race line proper, and may have had enough grip to actually pass Skaife cleanly before the corner. I guess we'll never know....

Gday 98 Club,When you go into turn 1 at wanneroo (Cat Corner)the racing line into that corner is a one car corner only,as the track has a big camber change about 20 meters from the first turn,get on the wrong side of that and she is all over.about 2 years ago we were the for friday practice,we go every year,there were a few rookies to the series Paul Dumbrell was one and so was Mark Winterbottom from memory,they had real troble with that corner most of the weekend.So it is no wonder that ambrose tried to get over so quickly,if he had'nt he would have lost the corner and would have had to go wide on to the marbles and most likely lost 2-3 places


Yeah, I realise he was trying to get over to avoid the marbles, but looking at the clear black race line on the track, MA was well inside it.

[Aus8]

I agree with you guys with this incident, after being at Cat Corner and seeing it and watching the recorded DVD of the race at home I cant say Ambrose did too much wrong in that incident to be honest. Skaife looked to me like he was always going too fast to make the corner.

I would give equal blame to both drivers for this one.

Cheers

Aus8

[mgygto]

I agree with you guys with this incident, after being at Cat Corner and seeing it and watching the recorded DVD of the race at home I cant say Ambrose did too much wrong in that incident to be honest. Skaife looked to me like he was always going too fast to make the corner.

I would give equal blame to both drivers for this one.

Cheers

Aus8

... you missed the point then of why the penalty was given - Ambrose on that line has to be clear with no overlapping before he has any RIGHT to move across. The pole postioned car on the racing line has the RIGHT to hold the racing line through to the corner. The intial crowding by Ambrose of Skaife meant that Skaife was always going have difficulty in making the corner - yes - and again it was the crowding and moving across from Ambrose that put Skaife in that position which is why he was penalised. The only thing discussed was what type of penalty Ambrose was to be given, never was Skaife even mentioned as being party to the incident.

[naughts]

i was at the race standing at the fence right on the entry to the 1st corner and can honestly say that Ambrose was in the right on this one.

The fact that i hate skaife even though i am a holden fan has nothing to do with it !!!
IMHO Ambrose was penalised very harshly for something that was not his fault. A bit like the murphy lowndes incident 2 seasons ago, in which murph had no where to go.

for the record ingall is the man. i hope he takes it out this year.

As for the go cart hire around Barbegello. Its only the short track that these will be on so i dont think it will be worth it unless you want to spend 90% of each lap driving in a straight line......

[Aus8]

Interesting to read what steve Richards had to say over the incident (he had the best view out of anyone). Here is some interesting conversation copied from the press conference. I am still going to say IMO its 50/50 blame.

Baz: Let’s go back to race 2, the first one this morning, because obviously there was a fair amount of controversy. You would have had a birds eye view of that, I mean what was going through your mind when you saw marcos and mark having their battle.

Richo: Well look they were having a race to the first corner and you know that sort of stuff goes on, they were both pretty committed to getting there first. And from what I could say they were both racing in there and skaifey looked like he wasn’t quite, you know he was along side, but probably on the disadvantage, and it’s just one of those things. They’ve just dived in there and there’s a bit of contact and once that happens at turn 1, you’re sucked into the sand.

Richo: Well mate to be honest, my focus was trying to keep boofhead here (nudges Rusty) out as well. I was sort of looking sideways to make sure that was happening as well. But I think from what I did see, Marcos was actually in front of Skaifey and you know, it’s a tough corner, because the guy on the inside feels like it is his right to be at the corner and if someones not past you try and dive in there. The problem is though, it is pretty slippery on the inside there under brakes, and history shows I think over the years it always ends up in tears.

Ambrose: I didn’t think there was anything wrong, you know the first incident in New Zealand was cleared. Either of us was cleared of anything, they said it was a 50-50 call but ahh you know different words were spoken today. All I will say on the incident, you know Steve’s right, I had momentum, and he’s tried in the braking zone to reinforce his position on the track. Contact was made, and it was contact while both cars were on the track. It’s just that his car broke its steering and we went off the track. If his car hadn’t broken its steering we would have got around the corner. So you know it seems like a pretty small misdemeanour on any part, and it seems like a pretty heavy penalty. You know we race out there for position on the track for 2 points, and you get a 25 point penalty plus a stop go, it seems pretty heavy handed. But I want to move on, I don’t want to talk about it anymore myself. Everyone else can debate about it, but that’s pretty much all I want to say.

Ambrose: You’ve got no, I didn’t know, I knew I had a lot of momentum on Mark, I saw his car disappear from my vision. The way the car is with the angle and the mirrors the way they are angled in towards the car, angled in so I can see the cars when they want to set up a pass. So naturally I couldn’t see him in my mirror. You can’t turn your head because of the HANS device. You know I made a judgement call that I had the corner and Mark under the braking zone has tried to jump back in that hole. It’s a racing incident and I hold no malice to Mark at all. It’s a shame we got put out of the race, but if they build their steering arms a bit stronger we might have all got around. You know it is just the way it is.


Steve Richards didnt think it was as cut and dry Ambrose's fault as you did mygto and he was directly behind the two. Anyway Its all good entertaining racing. I hold no bias to Holden or Ford in V8 Supercars as its more of a team vs team sport than make vs make.

[Devil CV8]

Steve Richards didnt think it was as cut and dry Ambrose's fault as you did mygto and he was directly behind the two. Anyway Its all good entertaining racing. I hold no bias to Holden or Ford in V8 Supercars as its more of a team vs team sport than make vs make.

As Richo himself said, he was more concerned with ingall than worrying about what was going on in front.... and in his own words... "I think" therfore not as cut and dried as some make out...

[seldo]

... you missed the point then of why the penalty was given - Ambrose on that line has to be clear with no overlapping before he has any RIGHT to move across. The pole postioned car on the racing line has the RIGHT to hold the racing line through to the corner. The intial crowding by Ambrose of Skaife meant that Skaife was always going have difficulty in making the corner - yes - and again it was the crowding and moving across from Ambrose that put Skaife in that position which is why he was penalised. The only thing discussed was what type of penalty Ambrose was to be given, never was Skaife even mentioned as being party to the incident.
Yes, spot-on mgygto. At no time was Ambrose far enough in front of Skaife to attempt to come across. As soon as the flag dropped he began to lean on Skaife and Skaife ended up pretty much with 2 wheels on the grass on the inside. Ambrose was just trying to bully him into backing off and because Skaife was as determined as Ambrose , it didn't come off. A less experienced driver would have conceded 30 metres back, so I believe that Ambrose was completely in the wrong. It's interesting because it is the same bully-boy tactics that Schumaker uses... Seems that it's usually quite effective...but not this time.

[GEN III]

Yes, spot-on mgygto. At no time was Ambrose far enough in front of Skaife to attempt to come across. As soon as the flag dropped he began to lean on Skaife and Skaife ended up pretty much with 2 wheels on the grass on the inside. Ambrose was just trying to bully him into backing off and because Skaife was as determined as Ambrose , it didn't come off. A less experienced driver would have conceded 30 metres back, so I believe that Ambrose was completely in the wrong. It's interesting because it is the same bully-boy tactics that Schumaker uses... Seems that it's usually quite effective...but not this time.


Well he was found guilty. So he did something wrong.
Did Skaife get anything? No.
Who was on pole and had the best line. Skaife.

Honestly this debate could go on forever. However the facts as seen by 90% of you and the Officials understand and have ruled that Ambrose was in the wrong. Simple as that!

There is no conspiracy.

[naughts]

tall poppy syndrome !!!!

[seldo]

tall poppy syndrome !!!!
Not at all. Ambrose was in the wrong and got the cuts for it. Get over it.
In fact, had it been someone else they probably would have received a bigger penalty...

[GEN III]

Not at all. Ambrose was in the wrong and got the cuts for it. Get over it.
In fact, had it been someone else they probably would have received a bigger penalty...


Correct.
Well guess who just copped a fine! haha keep defending him (Ambrose) the facts speak for themselves.

[hoon69]

oops link broke again :bash:

[hoon69]

link broke sorry :bash:

[Animal]

Maybey Skaife could just improve his starts.

If there wasn't space for Ambrose to move across, such as a red car being beside him, then the incident would not have happened

I liked Ambrose's comment about Holden building stronger steering arms though :lol:

[mgygto]

Maybey Skaife could just improve his starts.

If there wasn't space for Ambrose to move across, such as a red car being beside him, then the incident would not have happened

:lol:


true ... I reckon that HRT are going to have to try illegal traction control the same way the SBR cars have !! :lol:

[hoon69]

true ... I reckon that HRT are going to have to try illegal traction control the same way the SBR cars have !! :lol:
get over the traction control crap already another person living in past pretext.
the fact the guy has the best "setup" and the best starts in the field doesnt make him a cheat,its your precious holden guys who seem to like to wheel spin half way down the straights that have the problems
abit like skaife getting eaten up by 90% of a car length by ambrose, and ended in a sook crying foul and a red headed dope who speaks before thinking.

i agree with richards and a i agree with the pics i saw on auto action magazine of the skaife being on the grass thing and the on board camera view of ambrose clearly in front(but not legally n totally in front though it was 90% in front of skaife) and then you clearly see a second lunge at ambrose then it all went wrong from there..

dont believe me go take a look at ambrose's inboard camera at skaife lunging and go back and look at the start skaife didnt have a good start ambrose didnt but had him by 3/4 before moving over(which he rightly got penalised for)
richards saw it 50/50 i agree in a way with richards..

[mgygto]

get over the traction control crap already another person living in past pretext.
the fact the guy has the best "setup" and the best starts in the field doesnt make him a cheat,its your precious holden guys who seem to like to wheel spin half way down the straights that have the problems
abit like skaife getting eaten up by 90% of a car length by ambrose, and ended in a sook crying foul and a red headed dope who speaks before thinking.

i agree with richards and a i agree with the pics i saw on auto action magazine of the skaife being on the grass thing and the on board camera view of ambrose clearly in front(but not legally n totally in front though it was 90% in front of skaife) and then you clearly see a second lunge at ambrose then it all went wrong from there..

dont believe me go take a look at ambrose's inboard camera at skaife lunging and go back and look at the start skaife didnt have a good start ambrose didnt but had him by 3/4 before moving over(which he rightly got penalised for)
richards saw it 50/50 i agree in a way with richards..

it was a joke you goose! :lol:

[hoon69]

it was a joke you goose! :lol:NOTED! :booty: :lol: :bash: :booty:

[RRevHead]

The last thing i'd like to see is Ambrose win Bathurst ,that i'd be the crown on the pric*s head. He can go to any time he wants.

[mgygto]

The last thing i'd like to see is Ambrose win Bathurst ,that i'd be the crown on the pric*s head. He can go to any time he wants.

he'll never win it because he is weak driving in traffic.

[hoon69]

can we just rewind back to the last round

goes into a sand trap
that put him a good 30secs+ behind
then gets a drive through
then has to pit himself
(yes safety car did help)
and still manages 5th place

all the well whilst really P'd off about the whole thing i'd say he can when he wants to or when the cars setup is right,but he did well @ W.A compared to N.Z

[mgygto]

can we just rewind back to the last round

goes into a sand trap
that put him a good 30secs+ behind
then gets a drive through
then has to pit himself
(yes safety car did help)
and still manages 5th place

all the well whilst really P'd off about the whole thing i'd say he can when he wants to or when the cars setup is right,but he did well @ W.A compared to N.Z

mate driving in Perth compared to traffic at Bathurst is completely different , yes he had a great drive to get back to 5th no doubt, its the type of track that a good driver and great car can do that and he did, look at other races when he is in the pack, even Pukekohe he does not get to the front.....remember the comment was WIN bathurst not end up 5th or 4th etc in fact he is yet to get a Bathurst Podium - he does not have the same skill as Lowndes or Skaife to come from Last to First.

[seldo]

There is no denying the man is very bleeding good! But, that is no excuse for adopting a win-at-any-costs attitude. It isn't necessary, and he does himself no credit for doing that. He should be able (in fact IS able) to win without barging people off the track, so he just needs to relax a bit and be comfortable in the fact that he can out-drive most of them, and also has probably the quickest car in the field. The race isn't won in the first lap.

[Devil CV8]

The race isn't won in the first lap.
A fact that MA has shown a number of times that he can't grasp. This isn't the first incident where MA tries the barge through on the first lap.

Without the first lap incident there is a good chance that he could have won the race, or is it he was concerned that because he couldn't get past MS tin race 1, that he had to do what he did in race 2.....

[hoon69]

mate driving in Perth compared to traffic at Bathurst is completely different , yes he had a great drive to get back to 5th no doubt, its the type of track that a good driver and great car can do that and he did, look at other races when he is in the pack, even Pukekohe he does not get to the front.....remember the comment was WIN bathurst not end up 5th or 4th etc in fact he is yet to get a Bathurst Podium - he does not have the same skill as Lowndes or Skaife to come from Last to First.
agreed bathurst is a totally different track but a more forgiving one when it comes to time lost etc
takes longer to get around and with just one safety car can make a huge difference between going a lap down and getting back to the front..

i reckon ambrose is in this league of blokes as is skaife/lowndes etc

[plonkerchops]

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i reckon ambrose is in this league of blokes as is skaife/lowndes etc


I think youre right with that call Hoon :)

[RICHO]

It's almost funny.....

But almost every single post here = the sort of stuff posted over on FF / reported in the media about Mark Skaife a few years ago.

Single minded, agressive, incredibly confident, not much chop on the personality front and invariably speaking without turning the brain on.

Ambrose will grow up, just like Skaifey has. And Skaifey I have a whole lot more respect for now than I used to.

[hoon69]

http://www.xrclub.com/forums/images/smilies/drive2.gif
BRING BACK THE BIFF :lol:
nah he hasnt mouthed off as much as skaife has in the past but skaifes been around 2/3rds more them him and i guess knows the "in's and out's" when it comes to interviews etc
bring on EC http://www.xrclub.com/forums/images/smilies/carsmiley.gif

[mgygto]

It's almost funny.....

But almost every single post here = the sort of stuff posted over on FF / reported in the media about Mark Skaife a few years ago.

Single minded, agressive, incredibly confident, not much chop on the personality front and invariably speaking without turning the brain on.

Ambrose will grow up, just like Skaifey has. And Skaifey I have a whole lot more respect for now than I used to.

Listen to the drivers and the teams and you'll find very little respect for Ambrose in pit lane, even prior to this year, and thats both Ford and Holden teams and drivers, its bubbled over a few times from the Holden drivers, the Ford drivers KNOW they cant comment in public so they dont.

[Black_Utester]

A fact that MA has shown a number of times that he can't grasp. This isn't the first incident where MA tries the barge through on the first lap.

Without the first lap incident there is a good chance that he could have won the race, or is it he was concerned that because he couldn't get past MS tin race 1, that he had to do what he did in race 2.....


In imho, MA is already practising for the Nextel Cup. Rubbing cars and some ... :eek:

Agree with Richo - he's in the similar position as Skafie was a few years back. With experience, he'll grow up.

Aren't they suppose to be doing some sort of media courses as well, as they appear in the spotlight regularly on Ten? You can't half tell theat Skaifie actually done media courses - just the way he answers questions.

[GEN III]

In imho, MA is already practising for the Nextel Cup. Rubbing cars and some ... :eek:

Agree with Richo - he's in the similar position as Skafie was a few years back. With experience, he'll grow up.

Aren't they suppose to be doing some sort of media courses as well, as they appear in the spotlight regularly on Ten? You can't half tell theat Skaifie actually done media courses - just the way he answers questions.


His wife's in the industry so I'm shore she gives him a few pointers.
Next Episode of Big Brother watch for her name at the credits.

[hoon69]

Listen to the drivers and the teams and you'll find very little respect for Ambrose in pit lane, even prior to this year, and thats both Ford and Holden teams and drivers, its bubbled over a few times from the Holden drivers, the Ford drivers KNOW they cant comment in public so they dont.ok so you read minds too
good stuff :booty:

its jealousy you see :bash:

*note sarcasm*

he has had 2-3 incidents
skaife
ingall
lowndes
besides those he's been fairly clean
he is hated cause he's No1 and if they cant race at the same speed maybe they should take off their training wheels or handbrakes

i cbf arguing the point with you Mr Know It All but he didnt barge his way through 50+ races to become number 1
he drove hard maybe skaife should go back to a GTR he might win then ay

*note sarcasm*

couldnt care less but if any holden is to win this year PLEASE be richo or radisich
at least they aint pig headed and whinge about the little things. :box:

P.S
my pic for 2005
radisich
ingall
lowndes
richo
ambrose
in that order!

[mgygto]

ok so you read minds too
good stuff :booty:





no mate , I dont , I put my money where my mouth is and am a sponsor with 3 of the teams ...... one of them the team who's driver you pick to win the series ;)

[hoon69]

no mate , I dont , I put my money where my mouth is and am a sponsor with 3 of the teams ...... one of them the team who's driver you pick to win the series ;)would have to be the rat or richo then.
*runs off to look at sponsorship for said teams* :lol:

[Devil CV8]

he is hated cause he's No1 and if they cant race at the same speed maybe they should take off their training wheels or handbrakesThat's what was said about Skaife when he was winning championships

he drove hard maybe skaife should go back to a GTR he might win then ay

*note sarcasm*sarcasm noted. Skaife seemed to be doing ok in the commodore... it took a bad call at Barbagello to break his winning streak that year