Ve Commodore - Looks Tuff

[vyssls1]

Yesterday i seen several pictures of the new ve commodore, to be released in oct 2006, from the help of a mate, who works there.

[XLR8 V8]

Were they actual photos? Or red CAD screenshots like the ones some of us have seen.

[Goggles]

Or red CAD screenshots like the ones some of us have seen.

what red CAD screenshots?? as somebody once said: "pls explain"

[vyssls1]

nah actual photo's of the car, but only on a mobile phone camera, hes going in there with a digital camera this week, it was a pilot built car, for some crash test, what ive been told.

[XLR8 V8]

what red CAD screenshots?? as somebody once said: "pls explain"


There were some CAD screenshots that were captured by an (ex)employee of the design dept. They didn't make it to the forum as because they were sourced directly from within Holden computer systems, they represented intellectual property theft and would have seen the forum shutdown and sued if posted. I will say that it did look good though :D ;)
Photos of test mules on the road are open slather.

[Goggles]

There were some CAD screenshots that were captured by an (ex)employee of the design dept. They didn't make it to the forum as because they were sourced directly from within Holden computer systems, they represented intellectual property theft and would have seen the forum shutdown and sued if posted. I will say that it did look good though :D ;)
Photos of test mules on the road are open slather.

thnks - did it look radically different to the VZ, and is it bigger than VT/VX/VY/VZ?

just noticed the "future stock" feature on Carpoint. It has VE being released twice in 2006!!:
http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/alias__carpointau/tabID__6491/ArticleID__4718/DesktopDefault.aspx

[vyssls1]

flatter in height, wider, and pumped guards, by the look of the photo, the right wheels and you should get 310's on the rear.

the car really looks like a new vectra, on steroids.

[Goggles]

flatter in height, wider, and pumped guards, by the look of the photo, the right wheels and you should get 310's on the rear.

the car really looks like a new vectra, on steroids.

cool...can't wait to see what the SS version looks like.

[vyssls1]

from the picture, im going to piss of the ss in mid 2006, before the thing drops in money yet again, and then will buy a ve.
my opinion its the toughest holden yet.

[Goggles]

from the picture, im going to piss of the ss in mid 2006, before the thing drops in money yet again, and then will buy a ve.
my opinion its the toughest holden yet.

well I'm lucky that the lease on my current SS runs out in Aug 06...almost perfect timing.

[vyssls1]

i cant wait to see what the statesman looks like, or even what hsv do with it.

[Inter-ceptor]

Holden VE Monaro - Two-door coupe version built on VE Commodore platform. May spawn a convertible


VE monaro? I thought they stopped munros? lol

[mavss]

nah actual photo's of the car, but only on a mobile phone camera, hes going in there with a digital camera this week, it was a pilot built car, for some crash test, what ive been told.
Looks like Holden security is slacking off.

Tell your mate that if he gets caught, he's going to be in a world of trouble.

[bigdongers]

flatter in height, wider, and pumped guards, by the look of the photo, the right wheels and you should get 310's on the rear.

the car really looks like a new vectra, on steroids.

Mmmh interesting. Would you say it looks similar to the Torana concept? If so, it would be sweet!!!! be sure to post some pics if you can get them off your friends phone. Just host them elsewhere and link to the page. That way, the forums will be free from litigation.

[GEN III]

If anyone has the "red" pics of any more in Cache or saved them please send them to me or pm me. :)

[XLR8 V8]

If anyone has the "red" pics of any more in Cache or saved them please send them to me or pm me. :)


They never even made it to the forum, so noone will have them cached or saved.

[xshore]

nah actual photo's of the car, but only on a mobile phone camera, hes going in there with a digital camera this week, it was a pilot built car, for some crash test, what ive been told.

I didn't think he would be allowed to do that ?

[GEN III]

They never even made it to the forum, so noone will have them cached or saved.

If anyone here has seen them and browsed who ever it is servers they will have cached images on there HDD.

[Marco]

flatter in height, wider, and pumped guards, by the look of the photo, the right wheels and you should get 310's on the rear.

the car really looks like a new vectra, on steroids.

Without the "big square headlights" front end and the "far-too-high-I-like-sitting-in-a-pit-with-no-visibility" window line, I hope...

[Dacious]

If it looks like a cross between the Vectra, Opel and Torana concepts, it will be a mean-looking mother. Wheels pushed into the corner, wider and lower. I really like the chiselled-block look of the Vectra - still a slippery sucker aerodynamically, too.

That's what has been hinted. I also found a Bruce Newton article that said the front is double-wishbone, with staggered-length 5-link rear IRS. That is GP-level tecnhology - best of both worlds, roadholding and handling; with the ability to get HP down to the road.

If they brought that out in a 2-door, I'd take a serious look.

You won't get away from a high-beltline - cars are being built to the latest side-impact standards, so high side openings are a given.

[jason phillips]

Sounds the goods, I hope that the drive line and suspension is all that they are saying it is. I could trade the Clubbie in on a 5 speed auto with 3.9 diff ratio behind a 6lt.

[VX11SS]

Please, please, please all you Aussies spy on Holden HQ :)
We need some shots of this car, surely if its in crash testing it must have to be going for all weather testing etc soon. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that VE has been delayed but surely if the cars due on the market even late 06 there have to be some genuine VEs around or are Holden going to test the car on their clients :rolleyes:
Cheers Jay

[Marco]

You won't get away from a high-beltline - cars are being built to the latest side-impact standards, so high side openings are a given.

It's probably necessary also given that a normal car needs to be able to stand up to a side impact with a 4WD these days as well as a regular car.

The Vectra's problem is that the beltline is high and the roof is low - which makes visibility over your shoulder a bit of a problem. The side windows, particularly towards the rear of the car (as the beltline rises towards the rear) simply aren't large enough.

[vxcalaiszzz]

Please, please, please all you Aussies spy on Holden HQ :)
We need some shots of this car, surely if its in crash testing it must have to be going for all weather testing etc soon. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that VE has been delayed but surely if the cars due on the market even late 06 there have to be some genuine VEs around or are Holden going to test the car on their clients :rolleyes:
Cheers Jay

Holden have been doing that for a while now or am I mistaken. They are called "Series I" in each new model :rolleyes:

[Cainer]

will have to seriously think about upgrading from the VY

:D

[XLR8 V8]

If anyone here has seen them and browsed who ever it is servers they will have cached images on there HDD.

The CAD images were emailed to us. But I won't be posting them up nor forwarding them to anyone for the reasons detailed above. I'm not getting my ass sued for some CAD pictures.


Without the "big square headlights" front end and the "far-too-high-I-like-sitting-in-a-pit-with-no-visibility" window line, I hope...

The front reminds me of a cross between the Vectra and the current Subaru Liberty. The rear is VERY Audi A4-esque. Pumped guards all round. The spy photos of the test mule with the VY bodyshell that were shown on this site a little while back indicated some decent changes to the suspension design to boot.

[Goggles]

The front reminds me of a cross between the Vectra and the current Subaru Liberty. The rear is VERY Audi A4-esque. Pumped guards all round. The spy photos of the test mule with the VY bodyshell that were shown on this site a little while back indicated some decent changes to the suspension design to boot.

with this info, someone who is good with photoshop should be able to produce an "artists impression."

sounds good anyway.

[VX11SS]

Holden have been doing that for a while now or am I mistaken. They are called "Series I" in each new model :rolleyes:
Your dead right, was hoping (who am I kidding lol) this would change with VE
Jay
PS from the descriptions this could be a very nice car or an absolute dog depending an your taste as I think this could be quite a "polarising" design. Its sounding good to me though and am definately hoping for some extra room under those rear guards so we can finally get some decent width rubber under there.

[GEN III]

The CAD images were emailed to us. But I won't be posting them up nor forwarding them to anyone for the reasons detailed above. I'm not getting my ass sued for some CAD pictures.



Well if for some reason you or a reader of these forums intercepted this "e-mail" and wishes to forward it to me or direct me to a link that is hosted remotely somewhere (hint), it would be appreciated. ;)

[hsvrichie]

i just hope it doesnt weigh to much, and i hopeby the way you are explaining the look if it it looks like it cos it sounds awsome

[Dacious]

Well, from Swedish spy shots this is what the next Vectra looks like - the rear also looks very Audi A4ish. If you move the front wheels forward slightly, lengthenin the guards (Vectra is East-West FWD) and widen/lengthen the car it should be close.

Wider wheels with pumped guards. Hint of XP54 in this.

http://www.autorevue.cz/Images/4721/22.jpg

[hsv423]

that looks fuggin ugly

[Waughy]

I should be in a position to buy when most of you guys are talking of upgrading, could score myself as nice deal if the current ride lives long enough. Still keen to see the VE, could change my mind if I like it and the bank allows.

[VX11SS]

that looks fuggin ugly
Dont know I could see that looking pretty good, the headligts are taped so you can see what the shape will be. As Dacious said with pumped guards, a bit larger, less frontal overhang and a more aggressive bonnet/spoiler this could look not bad at all.
Cheers jay

[Dacious]

Now try the look of this - photochop of the Opel concept, which is built on Zeta. Note the headlights, proportions in RWD, rooflie (like Vectra) headlight shape (Vectra, XP54), airdam ducts (Vectra, XP54).

It's gotta be somewhere between these two cars.

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/52241.jpg

[Marco]

Dont know I could see that looking pretty good, the headligts are taped so you can see what the shape will be. As Dacious said with pumped guards, a bit larger, less frontal overhang and a more aggressive bonnet/spoiler this could look not bad at all.
Cheers jay

You don't really need to do a lot of guessing to work out the shape of that red car - apart from the slightly-updated headlights, front bar and grille it's nothing more than the current model Vectra. So if you want to do some imagining, just take yourself down to a Holden dealer...

[Pickles]

Haven't got a clue what the new VE will look like,only that I was told that the Torana concept car "had a lot of VE in it"!

[Patrick]

Now try the look of this - photochop of the Opel concept, which is built on Zeta. Note the headlights, proportions in RWD, rooflie (like Vectra) headlight shape (Vectra, XP54), airdam ducts (Vectra, XP54).

It's gotta be somewhere between these two cars.

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/52241.jpg

That is one HOT looking car!
Hope the VE Commodore looks similar as it would look great on the road :cool:

[Wezza]

^ I like the look of that opel as well. Though i don't like the grille, it looks like something from a Chrysler, which is not a good thing.

[BlackClubbie]

The front of the new Vectra looks very much like a VZ Commodore , apart from the headlights.

But anyway, it doesn't matter what the VE will look like, because it will rule and you guys will love it anyway ! hello i used to think the vY clubbie was ugly, 2 years later i got a vy2 clubbie and i love it !!

[smoke]

I am getting all excited over holdens again! :D LWB vehicles will be interesting.

[dmhhsv]

There is a sketch of the VE in June Motor magazine, who label it as a cross between a BMW 5 and an Audi A8, with a VY nose. Pictures look OK

[HRT433]

There is a sketch of the VE in June Motor magazine, who label it as a cross between a BMW 5 and an Audi A8, with a VY nose. Pictures look OK
anyone want to scan the pics? please :)

my subscription hasn't turned up yet, might be a while too, haven't recieved one on time for 6 months.....that includes motor, wheels and street machine ...

[mavss]

Yep. That Opel looks real nice.

[Goggles]

I think this might be the undisgused version of the red car above:

http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/Goggles/redvectra.jpg

[HRT433]

bit of photochopping on that pic....

lower front bumper is off the Opel Astra OPC concept thingy, headlights look like they are drawn (probably based on Astra headlights)

that said....looks a million times better than the square eyed thing we've got now.

[jed55]

Won't be taking out my wallet for anything that looks like them.
Red one is plain ugly and silver one looks like junk jewellery.

[VX11SS]

I would take the Opel concept no problem with a differnt grill as long as it has room for the LS2 :) this is the general shape cars are moving to so I would think the VE must have some of these design cues. This car design is going to have to last for at least 5-7 years so its going to have to change shape dramatically from VT-VY as this will be near an 8-9 year old design by the time VE comes out. Get used to high beltlines, larger shape headlights etc as this as other people have stated is all safety related and theres no getting away from this.
Cheers Jay

[V-Car]

Yesterday i seen several pictures of the new ve commodore, to be released in oct 2006, from the help of a mate, who works there.

Did it look anything like this (reportedly) Chinese market FWD Buick being tested in Australia?
Lehman said it was RWD based off Zeta, but others have said FWD.

http://www.e-wire.net.au/~eb_recci/r/buickspy.jpg

[jason phillips]

If that's the VE the rear end up to the B pillar looks more and more like a magna.

[Mickey T]

that's not VE.

[Marco]

Yup, that'd be it. (The Vectra cover pic I mean, not the white taped car above).

Seems that Opel like the Astra H front end so much they're going to put it on all their models :)

[XLR8 V8]

that's not VE.

Mickey T is correct, that is NOT VE.

[Patrick]

Well, from Swedish spy shots this is what the next Vectra looks like - the rear also looks very Audi A4ish. If you move the front wheels forward slightly, lengthenin the guards (Vectra is East-West FWD) and widen/lengthen the car it should be close.

Wider wheels with pumped guards. Hint of XP54 in this.

http://www.autorevue.cz/Images/4721/22.jpg

Any idea when Holden will be launching the new model Vectra?

[vyssls1]

the more and more i think about it, the more and more it looks like at 300zx front on with bigger pumped guards, but not as low bonnet to the ground, with a combination of the new model vectra and vy headlights, with the ass end of a concept car, or a vy with a rounder/ pushed up rear end, they look tough anyway. but ill try to get the photos send to me.

when the vt came out, it took a while to get used too, and when the vy came out it looked crazy, and looked like a opel race car on the track. i think 8/10 people will like the ve.

[Patrick]

when the vt came out, it took a while to get used too, and when the vy came out it looked crazy, and looked like a opel race car on the track. i think 8/10 people will like the ve.

Not me mate.
Straight-out-of-the-box, I thought the VT was easily the best Holden ever.

The VY, however caused a bit of controversy with it's rear-end when it came out, and look how that's changed, in fact the rear end of the VY's and VZ's actually still look fresh and sharp, while the rear of the BA Falcon to me looks dated now, as it's a copy of the previous VX Commodore rear-end.

[Nobby]

Why does anybody think the BA is a copy of ANY recent Holden? If anything it shares design elements with Audi's and nothing else.

[keen]

Nobby are you kidding what about the clubby side skirt?Just to name one.

[bigdongers]

Why does anybody think the BA is a copy of ANY recent Holden? If anything it shares design elements with Audi's and nothing else.

I agree. the BA has an Audi rear end.

[Patrick]

Why does anybody think the BA is a copy of ANY recent Holden? If anything it shares design elements with Audi's and nothing else.

It's the rear lights, boot shape and height.

And I 'm not the only one who thinks this, so be honest.

I don't know how many times I've mistaken, what I thought was a VX Commodore sedan up ahead in the distance at night and turns out to be a BA Falcon or vice-versa.

C'mon, they are very similar at the rear. Certainly would not have made the same mistake with the fugly AU.

Given that the VX Commodore is now 5 years old, this has dated the BA rear before it's time.

Besides, the Audi bum is not the be-all and end-all !!!!! :lol:

[Ghia351]

Why does anybody think the BA is a copy of ANY recent Holden? If anything it shares design elements with Audi's and nothing else.

Considering an ex-Audi designer joined Ford internationally what would you expect when he was involved with the BA. In fact the newer Audi's have a closer BA look in the headlight/turn signals then previoulsy. http://www.audi.com.au/content/Model.aspx?s=1618 ... just mask the huge grill. And what have the Germans (or overseas sourced employees of them) been drinking lately?

[Ghia351]

I don't know how many times I've mistaken, what I thought was a VX Commodore sedan up ahead in the distance at night and turns out to be a BA Falcon or vice-versa.

So its dark and you're looking over some distance .... lucky you're not in the witness box acting on behalf of the defence.

[Nobby]

I don't know how many times I've mistaken, what I thought was a VX Commodore sedan up ahead in the distance at night and turns out to be a BA Falcon or vice-versa.

http://www.thetorchshop.co.uk/ledtorches/cybalite.jpghttp://www.maximumeyewear.com/productfolder/reading-glasses/reading-glasses/reading-glasses.jpg

These should help. ;)

[Nobby]

Considering an ex-Audi designer joined Ford internationally what would you expect when he was involved with the BA.

Yup.

I'll certainly be interested to see where he's taking the BB's appearance. Glad the AU fellas found a different employer. :D

[Patrick]

So its dark and you're looking over some distance .... lucky you're not in the witness box acting on behalf of the defence.

Distance - correct !

You wouldn't be in the witness box in the first place ! :lol:
Geez, what sort of lawyer are you using :bash:

Get ya self some legal advice. :booty:

[Patrick]

http://www.thetorchshop.co.uk/ledtorches/cybalite.jpghttp://www.maximumeyewear.com/productfolder/reading-glasses/reading-glasses/reading-glasses.jpg

These should help. ;)

Hmmmm, suppose a torch would be better than Ford headlights ! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vzsv6]

http://www.thetorchshop.co.uk/ledtorches/cybalite.jpghttp://www.maximumeyewear.com/productfolder/reading-glasses/reading-glasses/reading-glasses.jpg

These should help. ;)

Well maybe you should take your own advice.

If you look at a VT tail light and a BA tail light, they are similar, but the inner shape which illuminates is virtually 100% identical. Combine this with the fact that the height and shape of the boot is very similar, a BA Falcon looks exactly like a VT Commodore when coming up behind one at night. You can only tell the difference when you get say, 20m behind.
Audi styling my ass.... It is just an excuse. Ford blatantly took the VT-VX rear end and restyled it for themselves. Anyone who denies this is kidding themselves.

[FalconIX]

Well maybe you should take your own advice.

If you look at a VT tail light and a BA tail light, they are similar, but the inner shape which illuminates is virtually 100% identical. Combine this with the fact that the height and shape of the boot is very similar, a BA Falcon looks exactly like a VT Commodore when coming up behind one at night. You can only tell the difference when you get say, 20m behind.
Audi styling my ass.... It is just an excuse. Ford blatantly took the VT-VX rear end and restyled it for themselves. Anyone who denies this is kidding themselves.

Whoa hook, line and sinker there! I'm not anti-Holden ( in fact I like the VX and will be purchasing one in a year or so) but considering the BA has a squared off rear compared to the VX's rounded rump, no crease line above number plate recess . VX has top mounted indicator/ reverse combo while VT has plastic light applique, neither of which are on the BA, so how can you get the same light signature at night? The resemblance is uncanny!!! Ford owes Holden royalties! I might be kidding myself, but you are clutching at straws

[lowriding]

Not quite clutching straws .I have got to admit when the BA was first released i seriously mistook a black BA XR for a VXSS , front on- they were uncannily similar at that time, maybe harder to see these days but definately is there .
I looked at it this way Ford were dying with the AU whilst Holden were sunning themselves dry with the VX ,yet the cars were in the same market segment. Ford would have been mad not to look at what design element was selling.
BA most definately shares more styling cues to then current VX than it does the AU1/2/3/.
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr11.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr9.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr3.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr4.jpg
regards

[HRT433]

ok, been busy this arvo...had to make me a VE SS.

http://69.56.135.118/~hrt433/holden/ve/images/vess.jpg


yes it started as a torana, but it has been heavily modified, made wider and longer to be more commodore sized

[Goggles]

ok, been busy this arvo...had to make me a VE SS.

yes it started as a torana, but it has been heavily modified, made wider and longer to be more commodore sized

looks good....would like to see a rear view with a wing.

wonder if the fender vents will continue in the VE??

[BlueVZSS]

ok, been busy this arvo...had to make me a VE SS.

Yes it started as a torana, but it has been heavily modified, made wider and longer to be more commodore sized

That looks good....the best looking prediction so far. Good enough that I would buy one.

[lowriding]

As always ,Top job HRT ! :cool:
I think your ideas are close to the general shape - maybe not as bold as that though. Time will tell . I know this though that would be a very sweet thing with an LS2/RWD setup . :deal:

[Ghia351]

Distance - correct !

You wouldn't be in the witness box in the first place ! :lol:
Geez, what sort of lawyer are you using :bash:

Get ya self some legal advice. :booty:

I said don't be in the witness box acting on BEHALF of the defence, I didn't say you were the defendant.

[mavss]

Looks great - kind of like a beefed up Lexus IS200.

[vyssls1]

HRT433 thats pretty close to what they look like well done. and only the ss, statesman, etc have got the holes in the guard.

[OzJavelin]

That picture looks like great art work .. I'm not 100% sure about the content though? These things tend to grow on me .. I *hated* VYs when they came out. Ended up owning one and now actually like the look of it (cognitive dissonance? [spell?])

Rod.

[Patrick]

Not quite clutching straws .I have got to admit when the BA was first released i seriously mistook a black BA XR for a VXSS , front on- they were uncannily similar at that time, maybe harder to see these days but definately is there .
I looked at it this way Ford were dying with the AU whilst Holden were sunning themselves dry with the VX ,yet the cars were in the same market segment. Ford would have been mad not to look at what design element was selling.
BA most definately shares more styling cues to then current VX than it does the AU1/2/3/.
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr11.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr9.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr3.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/lowriding/xr4.jpg
regards


Of cousre Ford used the Commodore as an example when re-styling the AU

Funny how the Ford guys are real "touchy" about this as well ! :booty:

[SSFreak]

HRT433, nice job! If the VE SS looks like that I'm buying one!!

[COOKIE!]

Great work on the photo HRT that looks HOT. I need one.

[Nobby]

Well maybe you should take your own advice.

If you look at a VT tail light and a BA tail light, they are similar, but the inner shape which illuminates is virtually 100% identical. Combine this with the fact that the height and shape of the boot is very similar, a BA Falcon looks exactly like a VT Commodore when coming up behind one at night. You can only tell the difference when you get say, 20m behind.
Audi styling my ass.... It is just an excuse. Ford blatantly took the VT-VX rear end and restyled it for themselves. Anyone who denies this is kidding themselves.

Ahaha, I didn't think it'd take long for you to turn up. :D

[XLR8 V8]

Warning to those who have made the last few (now deleted) posts in this thread. This thread has been a sensible thread up until now .... lets keep it that way! :bash:

[Ghia351]

ok, been busy this arvo...had to make me a VE SS.

http://69.56.135.118/~hrt433/holden/ve/images/vess.jpg


yes it started as a torana, but it has been heavily modified, made wider and longer to be more commodore sized

You're work is excellent. Just a side note, when you "photoshop" do you use more then a mouse to do the work, eg. one of those electronic pen-type things (sorry don't know the correct name)?

[HRT433]

You're work is excellent. Just a side note, when you "photoshop" do you use more then a mouse to do the work, eg. one of those electronic pen-type things (sorry don't know the correct name)?
its all in the wrist....I just use my mouse

[Ghia351]

its all in the wrist....I just use my mouse

Not your average wrist, brilliant work.

[Wezza]

^ Maybe he exercises his wrist frequently? :lol: Brilliant work HRT433.

[smoke]

Well if it looks anything like that, i will upgrade. looks horn :cool:

[theVman]

love your work hrt433 . . and if your close id be thinking about buying one!!!

just had a look at your hrt433 design site . . some awsome work there as usual.

I will have to keep you in mind for a business idea i have . . lol

you may be handy!!