VZ Monaro or HSV Clubsport Z ?

[mark78]

Shortly, i'll have to make the decision (see subject line).

Things i've been thinking about...

I will be looking at buying used, with less than 20,000kms. From what's on the market, the price for both seems to be similar. (so that's not an issue).

Inurance wise, the HSV will cost more. (age, being only 26).

But, I'm sorta leaning in the direction of the Clubby, as it has the LS2 and i think resale value will be higher for the Clubby, if Holden brings out a VE Monaro, (who knows?? :bash: )

Monaro to me, looks better, but the other half doesn't like the VZ bonnet. (too masculine apparently :box: ). There seems to be alot of Clubbys on the market, in the colour of Impulse blue (a colour we both like).

In the end i'll have the final say, as im paying for most of it :lol:

Interested to see what you guys think?...Which one would you choose and why?

[bigdongers]

You'd have just about as much fun in either so I would go the Monaro for looks.

But if you think 4 doors would be handy, its no contest really.

[HSVREDSLED]

My 2 cents worth.

If the prices are indeed similar...(I havent looked..) go the LS2.
I must admit, the new monaros look brilliant, but, go drive a LS2, then make up your own mind.

PS. If you have kids, the clubby would be more desirable.

[Inter-ceptor]

Shortly, i'll have to make the decision (see subject line).

Things i've been thinking about...

I will be looking at buying used, with less than 20,000kms. From what's on the market, the price for both seems to be similar. (so that's not an issue).

Inurance wise, the HSV will cost more. (age, being only 26).

But, I'm sorta leaning in the direction of the Clubby, as it has the LS2 and i think resale value will be higher for the Clubby, if Holden brings out a VE Monaro, (who knows?? :bash: )

Monaro to me, looks better, but the other half doesn't like the VZ bonnet. (too masculine apparently :box: ). There seems to be alot of Clubbys on the market, in the colour of Impulse blue (a colour we both like).

In the end i'll have the final say, as im paying for most of it :lol:

Interested to see what you guys think?...Which one would you choose and why?Monaros are classier... clubby is "another sedan", monaros are that bit extra special. But clubby is a bit faster.

[jneil]

If I was in this same situation, I'd go the Clubby!

4 Doors, latest engine so all the future mods should bold straight on, I think it's still a bit more upmarket than the munro (which looks very nice in VZ guise BTW) & "You'll just have one!"

[VHSLE]

For me there is no question, the vz monaro is stunning and would be my choice. :drool:

I realise that the HSV has an LS2, but I would only consider the Clubby if the number of doors or reduced boot space was going to be an issue.

Cheers

[HERCULES]

If it was me picking out of the two, I have to say a nice Black VZ Monaro. :)
They just look hot as on the road, a yellow one drove past me the other day, the new bonnet really goods aggressive. :D

[Knight Phlier]

Are you going to mod the car? If you are then I would go the Monaro, cause the end result can be similar. If you aren't going to mod, then the Clubby is a nice package.

[Savannah]

Hi Mark78,

I have a little rule that I learned the hard way when I was way younger and I've used since. I had a choice of getting a light metallic blue HZ with a 308, (Centrelines remember those?.....no?) or a HX some anniversary model that couldn't pull the top off a cold custard. I picked that one I thought I needed not the one I really wanted which was the HZ naturally. It pained me for a long time.

So moral of the story is.....you know what you can afford, you know what your needs are......go for the one your heart tells you.

Cheers Savvy.

[black_friday]

all in all its not a bad situation to be in eh??
id go the clubbie, monaro bonnets dont do it for me

[stealthvz]

Go the Munro mate, Probably gonna be the last one they make, for at least a while!
Unless of course you really need the rear doors! :rolleyes:

[Pickles]

Power is important to me,but it isn't everything.Sit in a Monaro,& you'll see what I mean-they are very special,but there's a big difference between a coupe & a 4 door sedan-only you can decide that one. As far as resale value is concerned,I can tell you there are a lot of disenchanted HSV owners out there-the Monaro on the other hand is holding its value quite well.Cheers,Pickles.

[crisso]

My 2 cents worth.

If the prices are indeed similar...(I havent looked..) go the LS2.
I must admit, the new monaros look brilliant, but, go drive a LS2, then make up your own mind.

PS. If you have kids, the clubby would be more desirable.

I concur, I found myself in this predicament a few months back, I test drove the LS2 and there was no doubt in my mind - good luck

crisso

[CDAA]

Tough one. The VZ Monaro looks the business and I personally love the bonnet & twin exit exhaust. I also think the Monaro will have better resale being more unique. Just compare say a Series 1, 2001 Monaro (still around $35 to $40k*) with a 2001 VX Clubsport ($29k to $33k's*) plus everyone want's the R8, not the enty model in the second hand market i.e. hard to sell.

As others have said however, if your partner and you want the benefit's of a sedan it's a no brainer out of those two- Clubsport.

* Prices taken from www.redbook.com.au

[Gto_255]

Why don't you get a VZ GTO. You get best of both worlds. Monaro good looks and individuality and the LS2.

[OzJavelin]

I know I'm going to offend a few people but despite how good a Clubsport is, it's always fundamentally a Commodore sedan. Supermarket carparks are full of V6 Commodores which "look" like HSVs. A Monaro is a Monaro. You can't make a VT Exec look like a Monaro (without a wallet fat enough to have bought a Monaro in the first place!). It took me years to understand why people spend mega-dollars on XY GT Falcons when a base Falcon can look like it ... I was always the guy who thought they should spend the money and buy a Mustang? Just me I suppose ...

Your personal choice, and either would be great, but if you want something different .. go the Monaro.

Rod
2003 Holden SV8
2001 Ford Falcon ute
1970 Plymouth Fury III convertible
1969 Dodge Phoenix 4-door hardtop
1969 AMC Javelin SST

[COUPE]

I’ve owned the VZ Monaro and have driven my brother in-laws VZ Clubby many times ... His is an A4 mine was a M6 ... We had many traffic light duels, the difference in traffic speeds isn’t as great as many people would think ... my brother in-law thought the Monaro was a beast as it would pull him back whenever I hit 2nd gear (just an awesome gear in the M6 VZ Monaro) ... but after winding out 2nd, hitting 3rd and moving into top end territory the LS2 in A4 form showed its legs ... but again ever so slightly

I've ran many cars and was never embarrassed (even beat a fellow forum members A4 CV8R with extractors full exhaust and ORCI, 3/3 runs pulling away quite easily with a gentle launch off the line every time) ... My Monaro was totally stock with less than 1000ks, so I’m sure with more k's it would have only got better.

For me having driven both cars back to back many times and owned the VZ Monaro, id go Monaro without a doubt ... looks better, handles a whole lot better .. and in straight line performance especially in M6 form it isn’t very far off an LS2 clubby despite the crap you read in the mags. In the few VZ Monaro A4's I drove, they weren’t as lively as the M6. Also the development of the LS1 especially its PCM reprogramming is further ahead, so with very few mods you can make it go even harder if you decide to go down that road.

Clubby is a great car, but I agree with some of the other forum members comments about the Monaro being "special" ... and it is ...... Also I wouldn’t be holding my breath on a VE Monaro any time soon ;) <<these could be the last u see for a long time & I’ve heard this from many people in the know>>


(and about the scoops making it look too aggressive ... its a modern day muscle car .. what do u want it to look like a hairdressers special???? its suppose to look mean and it does ... as many say "the VZ Monaro is the one Holden should of built from the start" ... I’m a Ford man and it was good enough for me to put my money where my mouth is and buy one ... if I didn’t take the plunge for a VZ GTO, I'd still have it now and be as happy as anything)


You only live once ... you won’t regret it ... if you’re really serious about buying one

Go the Monaro!

[Inter-ceptor]

I know I'm going to offend a few people but despite how good a Clubsport is, it's always fundamentally a Commodore sedan. Supermarket carparks are full of V6 Commodores which "look" like HSVs. A Monaro is a Monaro. You can't make a VT Exec look like a Monaro (without a wallet fat enough to have bought a Monaro in the first place!). ...



Youve hit the nail right on the head mate! :bash:

There are millions of 4 door sedans out there, many commos look like HSVs....Monaros only look like Monaros!

[vuster]

I was having to deal with this decision a few months back. The monaro looks horn and comes standard with nice interior(leather) and I particularly like the bonnet scoop. However the clubby was a much better option to me due to the LS2 engine and the fact that it was a HSV. As for resale values, a VX clubby may have similar resale values as a 2001 monaro but when you compare the resale values between the VZ monaro and VZ clubby in a few years time I reckon the VZ will hold it's value better. Mainly because of it's engine. Who would want the LS1 when the latest trend will be the LS2?

Now if you compare a 2002 monaro with a Vy 2002 clubby you'll probably find that the resale values for the clubby are higher.

Quote from Coupe:
"and in straight line performance especially in M6 form it isn’t very far off an LS2 clubby despite the crap you read in the mags."

My question to you coupe is why do you have a VZ GTO on order?

Mark78, they are both great cars and many people will give up anything to be in your shoes now. If you had the extra cash, go the GTO. Good luck.

[COUPE]

I was having to deal with this decision a few months back. The monaro looks horn and comes standard with nice interior(leather) and I particularly like the bonnet scoop. However the clubby was a much better option to me due to the LS2 engine and the fact that it was a HSV. As for resale values, a VX clubby may have similar resale values as a 2001 monaro but when you compare the resale values between the VZ monaro and VZ clubby in a few years time I reckon the VZ will hold it's value better. Mainly because of it's engine. Who would want the LS1 when the latest trend will be the LS2?

Now if you compare a 2002 monaro with a Vy 2002 clubby you'll probably find that the resale values for the clubby are higher.

Quote from Coupe:
"and in straight line performance especially in M6 form it isn’t very far off an LS2 clubby despite the crap you read in the mags."

My question to you coupe is why do you have a VZ GTO on order?

Mark78, they are both great cars and many people will give up anything to be in your shoes now. If you had the extra cash, go the GTO. Good luck.



Champ don’t get too upset, have you actually had a run with a M6 VZ Monaro? You might get a surprise ... especially if the guy can drive the thing .... I don’t make b/s claims ... my bro in-law owns an LS2 (and yes I like his car a lot) ... I’ve posted pics of both our cars on the forum too ......... the reason I placed an order in for a GTO had nothing to do with the performance in a straight line, otherwise I would have kept the Monaro if it was just based on that and saved myself $20K ................ my reasons are many and my own ... sometimes the truth hurts especially if we've been told otherwise ...... I ran the car many times ... didn’t read mags and purely base my opinion on numbers they print ................. never did I claim that the LS2 wasn’t quicker .... over the quater no doubt ...... to 100k prob just in front but not by much .... not enough anyway to justify buying a Clubby over a Monaro IMHO ... and that’s it .... the guy asked for opinions and having owned a VZ Monaro and drive my bro in-laws LS2 Clubby A4 whenever I have the want to ...... I gave the guy "my opinion" .......... whatever he buys I’m sure he'll be happy with ....... from reading your post you chose a VZ Clubby over a Monaro ... great! .... and I’m sure you’re happy with the car ..... obviously your opinion would be different to mine .... that’s cool and you shared that with the guy asking for opinions ..... rather than having a dig at my own opinion and experiences .... just state yours mate .... neither I nor many other reasonable people on the forum would have a problem with that wether they agree with you or not.

No hard feelings I hope :)

Cheers

[vuster]

Coupe,

sorry if it sounded as though I was having a go at you. I am not upset with anything that anyone here has posted.

I have not dragged a monaro 260.
When I was thinking about purchasing a holden, I first test drove the VY 260 R8 clubby and I wasn't overly impressed. It was when I sat in the VZ later that it got my attention. I did feel a substantial seat in pants difference.

Anyways let us know your decision mark.
:cheers:

[sv285]

well i got myself a wk grange and now i regret it. 1.5 years later why didnt i get a GTO? your only young once as you get older you can get yourself a 4 door. the grange is a fantastic car, well im 34 and i could have purchased this when i turned fifty+.

[Gto_255]

I’ve owned the VZ Monaro and have driven my brother in-laws VZ Clubby many times ... His is an A4 mine was a M6 ... We had many traffic light duels, the difference in traffic speeds isn’t as great as many people would think ... my brother in-law thought the Monaro was a beast as it would pull him back whenever I hit 2nd gear (just an awesome gear in the M6 VZ Monaro) ... but after winding out 2nd, hitting 3rd and moving into top end territory the LS2 in A4 form showed its legs ... but again ever so slightly

The biggest difference between the LS1 and LS2 is on take off and it's response. The electronic throttle gives it great response and it has heaps of low down torque. Once the LS1 hits it's range(roughly 4000 revs) youll find that the gap isn't that big. At the last HSV Owners club meeting a HSV engineer said that a VYII 285kw goes as hard as an LS2 up in the rev range.

The reaason why the margin wasn't that big is because your bro in laws car is auto. Auto's are hopeless and manuals are and always will be faster.

[crisso]

The reaason why the margin wasn't that big is because your bro in laws car is auto. Auto's are hopeless and manuals are and always will be faster.
heh! Go the 6sp!!!

One thing to also keep in mind, do you take passengers much? Although the rear seats in the Monaro are nice, try getting into them if you are anything taller than 5ft 2" :)

good luck with the decision.

[COUPE]

The biggest difference between the LS1 and LS2 is on take off and it's response. The electronic throttle gives it great response and it has heaps of low down torque. Once the LS1 hits it's range(roughly 4000 revs) youll find that the gap isn't that big. At the last HSV Owners club meeting a HSV engineer said that a VYII 285kw goes as hard as an LS2 up in the rev range.

The reaason why the margin wasn't that big is because your bro in laws car is auto. Auto's are hopeless and manuals are and always will be faster.



Not sure if you're saying the LS1 in the VZ does'nt have electronic throttle, because it does. So if the response is based on ETC then the VZ is just as good, which in traffic I found that to be the case.

Have you driven both cars and hard? Hmmmm seems to me like everyone is an expert on these cars just basing their opinions on previous models ... Yes the fundamentals might be the same but these new models do perform very differently.

About the auto being slower ... HSV claims the LS2's with auto to be faster than the manual versions (are they who put the cars together wrong?) .... Going on magazine claims as well they also recorded a sub 5 second 0-100 for an auto LS2 GTO.

If I still had the Monaro I'd offer anyone in Syd with an LS2 manual for a run (put a case of beer or something of equal value just for fun down on it) not for a win ... but more for margin ('cause like i said previously the LS2 is quicker but not by that much) ... just to prove the margin wouldnt be so great .............. A lot of people who saw my car go, did make comments about me getting a very strong engine ... not so sure about that 'cause i never got the car dynoed.


Sorry for going off track but ive pretty much lived with both cars on a daily basis .......... again I'd pick the VZ Monaro over the LS2 Clubby, but thats just my 2 cents worth having experienced both cars, not just reading about them or listenning to what others tell me.


cheers.

[VHSLE]

One thing to also keep in mind, do you take passengers much? Although the rear seats in the Monaro are nice, try getting into them if you are anything taller than 5ft 2" :)

I am a big guy, 6 ft 2", well over 100kgs and get in and out of a Monaro with no trouble, am comfortable whilst in the back and would be happy to travel distance in there.

Can't undertand why people have an issue here, other than the obvious inconvenience of someone infront having get out so you can get in or out.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy one if I transported customers around for a living like a real estate agent or regularily had to transport elderly people in the back etc, but any normal or even larger sized able bodied person should have no problem.

Cheers.

[BlownCV8]

had series 2, 3 and now vz coupes. Wife has the vyII Clubby. Have had a vz clubby for a day.

the vz coupe in standard trim is just awsome......much nicer all round package. the ratio's, LS1+, those duel exit pipes from factory........

better reasale too. When i traded the 04 series III i got 42k....they offered me 39k for the clubby........same years 10k less kms on the clubby :confused:

its a coupe as has been said. I have 3 kids, i get the rear seat modded to suit the extra bum. No choice. wife and 3 kids get into my car every time when it comes too the which car we going in debate. The vz coupe is raw tuffness....i love the hsv gear but they are tuff in a bolt on sort of way.....the vz monaro is just tuff.........

The looks i get in both are line ball, more people actually want to chat at lights in the coupe.....

Just my opinion........on the other hand the wife wants the new clubby come trade in time for her current clubby...I put this down to her being smart enough to know we dont need 2 coupes :D

If i wasnt such i tight ass i would get the GTO coupe...........i regretted not doing this when i bought the series 3 monaro.........Dont regret it this time....

[crisso]

I am a big guy, 6 ft 2", well over 100kgs and get in and out of a Monaro with no trouble, am comfortable whilst in the back and would be happy to travel distance in there.

Can't undertand why people have an issue here, other than the obvious inconvenience of someone infront having get out so you can get in or out.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy one if I transported customers around for a living like a real estate agent or regularily had to transport elderly people in the back etc, but any normal or even larger sized able bodied person should have no problem.

Cheers.
maybe I am just too impatient, only bringing the front seat half-way forward and making it an effort to get in and out of?! :)

[VHSLE]

maybe I am just too impatient, only bringing the front seat half-way forward and making it an effort to get in and out of?! :)


Ahhh.......yes that would do it, the seat needs to be fully forward :lol: :lol: