Marcus Ambrose has been a norty boy

[Smitty]

Ambrose fined $15,000
The Age May 13, 2005 - 5:04PM


V8 Supercar series leader Marcos Ambrose has been fined $15,000, his third punishment in the aftermath of a weekend collision with rival Mark Skaife.

Ambrose was fined by governing body, the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS), for what it termed prejudicial conduct.

The fine followed an investigation into comments he made after the initial punishments received for his first turn collision with front row partner Skaife at Perth's Barbagallo Raceway.

Ambrose, the reigning series champion, had been black flagged and given a drive-through penalty during the race and was later docked 25 championship points at a stewards hearing.

An angry Ambrose told reporters on Sunday: "From what I understand they (stewards) were still angry about the Pukekohe incident and thought this was a chance for a square-up."

A CAMS statement on Friday said Ambrose admitted he'd breached the rules with his comments and accepted the penalty.

Despite the fines and loss of points, Ford driver Ambrose still holds an 11-point championship lead going into the fourth round at Eastern Creek next weekend.
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The 'conduct prejudicial' rule of the AVESCO operations manual reads: "A person must not do any act, make any omission or engage in any conduct - which includes words - which is or may be reasonably: (a) seen as being prejudicial to the interests of any meeting, or (b) likely to bring the sport of motor racing into disrepute."

© 2005 AAP

[HRT433]

good. and America can keep him once he gets there. :p

[Patrick]

$15,000 is a drop in the bucket for what he gets paid.

This fine won't bother him, what he should have lost is more points equal to what Skaife lost, then that would have hurt, ouch! :mad:

[CarlFST60L]

I didnt mind ambrose, that was until after the race when he started baging out the series, saying he was glad he was leaving... I cant stand the thought of the guy, i hope he dosnt come crawling back if he dosnt make it in USA

U S A, U S A, U S A :lol:

[Niggle]

good. and America can keep him once he gets there. :p

I'll second that.

[drone14]

We just need to tell an immigration official that we "suspect" him of being an illegal alien. They'll throw him in the deportation line quicker than you can say "V8 Supercar".

[HacketR8]

They really need to put this dog back in his box. :bash: You only need to look at how he is driving when he is not on the front of the grid. His behavour only goes to demonstrate his win at any cost attitude and adds even more weight to the "extra wire" incident last year. Next he will be telling us that because he is a Tasmainian, he has two heads and that he tucked the wrong one into his race suit.

This is for you Macus :booty: . The yanks will kick your arse!

[Wazz_ChevLS1]

Why is it that Ambrose thinks everyone should get out of his way like he owns every track he races on........... he should leave for the US sooner as he already has the American attitude that he is better then everyone else.

Ok I'll get back in my box now.

[Plan B]

Why is it that Ambrose thinks everyone should get out of his way like he owns every track he races on...........

Because; they are in his way! The cars are as heavy as elephants... And he's making the power.... ;)

[plonkerchops]

They really need to put this dog back in his box. :bash: You only need to look at how he is driving when he is not on the front of the grid. His behavour only goes to demonstrate his win at any cost attitude and adds even more weight to the "extra wire" incident last year. Next he will be telling us that because he is a Tasmainian, he has two heads and that he tucked the wrong one into his race suit.

This is for you Macus :booty: . The yanks will kick your arse!
Im sure the yanks will welcome him with a few friendly nudges. They'll just love a c0cky aussie coming over to show them hows its done :confused:

[SLE355]

Im sure the yanks will welcome him with a few friendly nudges. They'll just love a c0cky aussie coming over to show them hows its done :confused:

Well rubbing's racing :D

[hoon69]

boohoo cause a holden aint winning the championship
and ambrose is starting to act up like a knobhead with stupid remarks etc

skaife after the ingall incident pushing sbr team owner is anything to go by
then name a friggin driver who hasnt been revved up? they all do it from time to time whoopy doo dar f'n day!

i for one think they should be allowed to say what they want about drivers but as said in autoaction not so to the stewards etc
he should of known he'd cop a fine for them fighting words and is justified the guy got hot under the collar who cares obviously ppl are more concerned about a ford driver then they are about holden in general not on top of the 2005 championship

he deserved the drive through
and the fine
nuff said
he's still a top driver and still the champ nothing else matters and he will more then likely get the 05 championship just to rub salt into holdens wounds LMFAO :box: :booty: :lol: :booty:

[Rick76]

"These comments were made largely in the heat of battle and without myself and the team being able to sit down and analyse the incident and what flowed from it," Ambrose said.

"My comments that have been taken to mean the points penalty was imposed because no action was taken in New Zealand and also because I had driven too well in the race were in hindsight completely inappropriate and could only cause harm to our sport."

Ambrose says he should have stayed out wider and allowed both lead cars to make the turn. "Peripheral vision is limited in the cars. I made a judgment call that I was clear and that call proved to be an error," he said.

"I expressed anger at the incident and the penalty. My language at the time was inappropriate. This was wrong and I apologise for any offence caused.

"If it was inferred that I called into question the fairness of the judicial system, I did not mean to do so and I apologise unreservedly.

"I now recognise that my comments have caused some grief to the Championship, to Stone Brothers, and to my personal sponsors and to sponsors of the team for this I am sorry."

Ambrose said he wanted to state "for the record" he had formally admitted to a breach of the Reckless Driving rule and accepted the additional points penalty for that reason.

[plonkerchops]

boohoo cause a holden aint winning the championship
and ambrose is starting to act up like a knobhead with stupid remarks etc

skaife after the ingall incident pushing sbr team owner is anything to go by
then name a friggin driver who hasnt been revved up? they all do it from time to time whoopy doo dar f'n day!

i for one think they should be allowed to say what they want about drivers but as said in autoaction not so to the stewards etc
he should of known he'd cop a fine for them fighting words and is justified the guy got hot under the collar who cares obviously ppl are more concerned about a ford driver then they are about holden in general not on top of the 2005 championship

he deserved the drive through
and the fine
nuff said
he's still a top driver and still the champ nothing else matters and he will more then likely get the 05 championship just to rub salt into holdens wounds LMFAO :box: :booty: :lol: :booty:
no-ones questioning his ability to drive, I dont think anyone would question that he is a class pedaller. Unfortunately hes not a graceful winner, becoming more smug the more sucessful he is . Maybe he should take a lesson off the Brocks or Richards( Jim ) consummate professionalism on how to be graceful in winning. The sign of a true champion. The Ford /Holden Neanderthal-ism is irrelevant , he underestimated Skaifes stubborn pigheadedness as being lesser than his own fat ego and Skaifes ( quite rightedly ) self righteousness in being on the racing line caused the ensuing carnage...of sorts.
Now he paying the price , had his arse reemed for speaking out of turn, and had to backpedal to appease management and sponsors.

[hoon69]

rick76 has the qoute that i agree with..


he F'd up made a few wrong choices under pure anger without looking at the whole incident/penalty results etc before commenting
he messed up for sure was rightly penalised and he has to learn that cause he's on top he isnt inferior to anyone except himself i agree he made some disappointing comments and as a fan it did him no favours.

all up its a honest mistake whether he's back peddling or not he's admitted it finally and thats that,even if it took a threat or a word from his team n sponsors etc he wont make the same mistake again im sure of that.

richards sum'd it up in his interview he saw it 50/50 but i still reckon ambrose got the right punishment at the track on the day.

[Patrick]

Unfortunately hes not a graceful winner, becoming more smug the more sucessful he is . Maybe he should take a lesson off the Brocks or Richards( Jim ) consummate professionalism on how to be graceful in winning. The sign of a true champion.

WELL SAID.

And that's why Brockie is a LEGEND! :cool:

[Lees]

Marcus Ambrose is over-rated anyway. :bash:

The sooner he piisses off to America the better. :p

The best driver is by far Greg Murphy, when he's in the zone, he's the best driver to watch - period! :D

How good was Pukakohe :cool:

[hoon69]

THE STATEMENT FROM MARCOS AMBROSE

* V8 Supercar Championship is the most competitive touring car championship in the world.

* All of the cars are very close in performance and there is tremendous depth in driver talent. The pressure of competition is immense and it is this pressure which brings out the best and sometimes the worst in drivers.

* Last week at Barbagallo I was involved in an incident with Mark Skaife at the first corner in Race 2. Subsequently I was penalised for Reckless Driving.

* Following the incident and the imposition of the penalty, I made various comments about what I thought about both the incident and the penalties.

* These comments were made largely in the ‘heat of battle’ and without myself and the team being able to sit down and analyse the incident and what flowed from it.

* I have now had the opportunity to do that and as a result I would like to make the following points:

IN RELATION TO THE INCIDENT ITSELF:

In hind sight, I should have stayed out wider and allowed both lead cars to make the turn. Peripheral vision is limited in the cars. I made a judgment call that I was clear and that call proved to be an error.

IN RELATION TO MY SUBSEQUENT BEHAVIOUR AND COMMENTS:

I expressed anger at the incident and the penalty. My language at the time was inappropriate. This was wrong and I apologise for any offence caused.

If it was inferred that I called into question the fairness of the judicial system, I did not mean to do so and I apologise unreservedly. In consultation with the team, I chose not to use my opportunity to defend the charge of Reckless Driving by presenting a case before the Stewards and I accepted that a breach of the rules had occurred.

Following the race I stated that I did not plead guilty to the charge of reckless driving. For the record, I did formally admit the breach of the Reckless Driving rule and it was for that which I accepted the additional points penalty.

TEGA and AVESCO and CAMS have spent a lot of time in trying to create a better judicial system than we have had previously. What we now have is working much better than the previous system.

Despite the teams being briefed at the start of the year that pit lane penalties can and often will also involve further sanctions before the Stewards, I was unaware of this. My ignorance of the system is no excuse but it was as a result of this that I made inappropriate comments.

My comments that have been taken to mean the points penalty was imposed because no action was taken in New Zealand and also because I had driven too well in the race were in hindsight completely inappropriate and could only cause harm to our sport.

The judicial officials in the Championship – the IPO, Peter Wollerman, The Stewards under Chief Steward Steven Chopping and the Driving Standards Observer Colin Bond have difficult but very important jobs to do. I recognise now that my comments were not at all helpful to any of them and that I should not have made such comments. I apologise unreservedly.

This Championship is one of the world’s great motor racing championships, Stone Brothers racing is a great team and Ford Motor Company is just the best manufacturer that I could have supporting me. They both have given me opportunities in my career that a few years ago I could never have dreamed of achieving. That my comments last weekend gave the impression of dissatisfaction with V8 Supercar racing could not be further from the truth. If I have given this impression, I would like to absolutely correct this as the reality could not be any further from the truth.

I now recognise that my comments have caused some grief to the Championship, to Stone Brothers, and to my personal sponsors and to sponsors of the team for this I am sorry.

takes a man to admit his wrong at least he said it. :box:

[mattiotn]

Marcas Ambrose
so did he really deserve to be on the podium at the end of the day

1. He didn't win a race
2. He took out the pole sitter and admits to it
3. Skaife gets bugga all points in the second race and starts from 29th in 3rd
4. Every ford person in australia recons it ok


what about being fare by saying we will swap the point af skaife and Ambrose for the second race

the old saying goes u do the crime u do the time

instead they give him a slap on the wrist woopeee doo

[plonkerchops]

takes a man to admit his wrong at least he said it. :box:

what utter crap. With the amount of money involved his sponsors certainly wouldnt want the public to think they condoned his behaviour. Hence the backpedalling

More of a case of bend over and take it like a man :moon:
Must really cut deep having to be spoonfed his humble pie
Hope he chokes on it :spew:


Just for the record Im not a Skaife fan either

[mgygto]

THE STATEMENT FROM MARCOS AMBROSE


takes a man to admit his wrong at least he said it. :box:


:lol: :lol: you are so far up ambrose its funny :lol: :lol:

[hoon69]

:lol: :lol: you are so far up ambrose its funny :lol: :lol:
i like ambrose yeah
i hate skaife yeah
i like radisich yeah
i hate skaife yeah

its a win/win for me couldnt care less what ya think i do,as far as im concerned at least he didnt go up to a team owner and assault him unlike your precious skaife did last year..

i stated previously that ambrose got the right penalties but i agree that richard was in a better position and i agree with his 50/50 look at the incident. :box:
lump it or leave it

ambrose is still in front
and even if skaife finished first guess who would "still" be on top.

:booty: :booty: :booty:

[HRT433]

its a win/win for me couldnt care less what ya think i do,as far as im concerned at least he didnt go up to a team owner and assault him unlike your precious skaife did last year..


this started as a thread about Marcos Ambrose, so can we try and keep it there, I sure Marcos was kindly "asked" to make that statement, and I must say Ford media team did a great job in getting all the positives about the incident into the statement as well.

and FFS, if you wish to start up the arguement about the Skaife/Ingall/Team Owner incident, for the one millionth time, then go for you life on the V8 Central forums...they seem to love skaife about as much as you.

oh...and wasn't it two years ago now?

[Smitty]

this started as a thread about Marcos Ambrose, so can we try and keep it there,
ta mate
as the thread starter..wondered where it was heading..was getting a bit off topic

cheers

[Dilan]

Marcus Ambrose is over-rated anyway. :bash:

The sooner he piisses off to America the better. :p

The best driver is by far Greg Murphy, when he's in the zone, he's the best driver to watch - period! :D

How good was Pukakohe :cool:
:confused: BS!!! He is no where near as consistant as Ambrose. You do realise that Pukakohe was home turf for him? Just because he has a few wins doesn't mean he is the best driver. After all where is he on the ladder and remind me please where Ambrose is?

And no, I do not like ambrose I am a Ingall fan.

[mgygto]

the statement was written for Ambrose by Ford PR head - he had no choice , he was told to make the statement .... talk about public humiliation :)

[HQV8]

the statement was written for Ambrose by Ford PR head - he had no choice , he was told to make the statement .... talk about public humiliation :)


That's what i was thinking. It all sounded to professional to be written by him alone. Guess i picked it, cause i have worked in public relations for about 5 years now.

BTW... who is this Ambrose person you speak of??? :hide:

[hoon69]

well i dont see him looking at a piece of paper whilst on rpm today
and he apologised to everyone he criticised on the day even mark skaife and even said it was clearly his fault and wanted it to be known,looking at his speach his not used to public speaches and maybe thats another reason his written one was by the PR team.
either way its been done in written/internet and the television LIVE TV what more do you want?

say what ya want you seem to have a target on the bloke who is No1 if it was the other way around it still wouldnt matter to the "one eyed fans" you's are. :box:
lump it and get over it :booty:

[HRT433]

well i dont see him looking at a piece of paper whilst on rpm today

WTF? did you have your eyes and/or ears open..... he said he had notes, he showed them to the camera and, he looked at them a dozen times while talking, not too mentioned he probably looking at them while Woodsy was asking the questions

[plonkerchops]

say what ya want you seem to have a target on the bloke who is No1 if it was the other way around it still wouldnt matter to the "one eyed fans" you's are. :box:
lump it and get over it :booty:

thats a bit rich coming from whats probably the most one eyed Ambrose fan that mankind has ever endured...er I mean witnessed :D

[mgygto]

well i dont see him looking at a piece of paper whilst on rpm today



look hoon69 oops I mean Marcos , by all means have an opinion but dont lie....you clearly had the statement written for you by Ford in your hand today!!

[plonkerchops]

and remember

Hes not the Messiah, hes just a very naughty boy :p

[hoon69]

WTF? did you have your eyes and/or ears open..... he said he had notes, he showed them to the camera and, he looked at them a dozen times while talking, not too mentioned he probably looking at them while Woodsy was asking the questions are you blind he stated he had them looked down at them and continued saying what he was saying not looking back at them,i taped it so go look again,its like the blind leading the blind in here :lol:


thats a bit rich coming from whats probably the most one eyed Ambrose fan that mankind has ever endured...er I mean witnessed one eyed ambrose fan if i was i'd have the name like ambrose or something i like him for his driving ability and i'm actually barricking for radisich this year so jam that up your pipe and smoke it Mr One Eyed Holden Fan aka mr skaife :lol: *note sarcasm*


look hoon69 oops I mean Marcos , by all means have an opinion but dont lie....you clearly had the statement written for you by Ford in your hand today!! ok skaifey aka Mr "i have a answer for everything" keep telling yourself that,it was more likely the pr team in SBR not ford and take a look at the tape of rpm he looked at it for a sec put it back outta view and just said what he thought about it
he admitted it he wants to apologise to skaife in person and at least he's cop'n this one on the chin and not going on with it,unlike a few holden drivers/teams i know.

he did the crime he did the time he said sorry,lump it or leave it obviously his No1
get used to it(at least till 2006) :booty: :lol: :booty:

P.S
GO THE RAT!
for you's who need help with translation thats paul radisich :cool:

[plonkerchops]

are you blind he stated he had them looked down at them and continued saying what he was saying not looking back at them,i taped it so go look again,its like the blind leading the blind in here :lol:

er...maybe they were palm cards, you know the ones that public speakers use sometimes to jog their memory :rolleyes:




one eyed ambrose fan if i was i'd have the name like ambrose or something i like him for his driving ability and i'm actually barricking for radisich this year so jam that up your pipe and smoke it Mr One Eyed Holden Fan aka mr skaife :lol: *note sarcasm* :

sarcasm???no thats not sarcasm...ooh but wait


Just for the record Im not a Skaife fan either:
well well... :lol: actually Im a Loundes fan :moon:


ok skaifey aka Mr "i have a answer for everything" keep telling yourself that,it was more likely the pr team in SBR not ford and take a look at the tape of rpm he looked at it for a sec put it back outta view and just said what he thought about it
he admitted it he wants to apologise to skaife in person and at least he's cop'n this one on the chin and not going on with it,unlike a few holden drivers/teams i know.:

I think youre kidding yourself if you think that Ambrosejust saw the error of his ways, just about guarantee he was told he had to feel sorry
pr team--------->:slap:ambrose<------------


he did the crime he did the time he said sorry,lump it or leave it obviously his No1 .
well that we cant dispute , he certainly did cop it , just not enough in mosts opinions


get used to it(at least till 2006) :booty: :lol: :booty:

P.S
GO THE RAT!
for you's who need help with translation thats paul radisich :cool:

youre being a little premature with your prediction arent you ??not till the fat lady sings Mr Special AKA

[VRIIClubby]

I actually liked Marcus last year and the year previous, but his last couple of antics have made me change my mind and I place him in the same hated drivers list as i have barnyard (besnard)..

Lately it just appears as though he thinks he is to good for Aussie tin tops, Dont think he is going to be to good in the US either, i mean cant you and I go and drive in the Petty Experience if we have the money? mmm I might just get on RPM yet...

[98Club]

This could possibly have been avoided if V8s had staggered grids. F1 has them, MotoGP has them. At several of our tracks being on Pole is a disadvantage (dirty side of track etc), so a half car length of stagger would certainly help.

There should be more reward for being on Pole, or winning the previous race - be it a Holden or Ford.

[mgygto]

This could possibly have been avoided if V8s had staggered grids. F1 has them, MotoGP has them. At several of our tracks being on Pole is a disadvantage (dirty side of track etc), so a half car length of stagger would certainly help.

There should be more reward for being on Pole, or winning the previous race - be it a Holden or Ford.

yes good idea

[Patrick]

This could possibly have been avoided if V8s had staggered grids. F1 has them, MotoGP has them. At several of our tracks being on Pole is a disadvantage (dirty side of track etc), so a half car length of stagger would certainly help.

There should be more reward for being on Pole, or winning the previous race - be it a Holden or Ford.

Absolutely, I agree as well!

[hoon69]

I agree the pole sitter should be rewarded alot more and most tracks dont seem to favour the pole sitter,as stated alot of the time its the dirty side of the track.

[seldo]

This could possibly have been avoided if V8s had staggered grids. F1 has them, MotoGP has them. At several of our tracks being on Pole is a disadvantage (dirty side of track etc), so a half car length of stagger would certainly help.

There should be more reward for being on Pole, or winning the previous race - be it a Holden or Ford.
Agreed :thumbsup:

[all4ford]

I can't believe some people's comments. Fair enough you can dislike Ambrose, question his attitude, and even question his agressive driving nature, but there is no way anyone can question his ability and potential as a driver. A double champion, currently on the way to his 3rd consecutive championship.

Marcos Ambrose is a trully talented driver and its no wonder he has been offerred a drive in NASCAR.

In saying this there are a number of talented drivers out there, Skaife, Lowndes, Murph, etc. But the results speak for themselves and show that Ambrose is up there with the likes, and possesses the skill and determination to be as great of a champion as the guys mentioned. (excluding Murph as he is championshipless :booty: ).

[mgygto]

I can't believe some people's comments. Fair enough you can dislike Ambrose, question his attitude, and even question his agressive driving nature, but there is no way anyone can question his ability and potential as a driver. A double champion, currently on the way to his 3rd consecutive championship.

Marcos Ambrose is a trully talented driver and its no wonder he has been offerred a drive in NASCAR.

In saying this there are a number of talented drivers out there, Skaife, Lowndes, Murph, etc. But the results speak for themselves and show that Ambrose is up there with the likes, and possesses the skill and determination to be as great of a champion as the guys mentioned. (excluding Murph as he is championshipless :booty: ).

just a couple of corrections :

Fact - he hasn't been offered a NASCAR drive. he has been offered support by Ford to find a NASCAR drive.

Fact - he is not up there with the likes of Skaife etc. He has 2 championship wins and he is only 8th on the most wins list. To put this in perspective EVEN Glen Seton has 2 champioship wins. Its easy to get distracted by recent history and start making claims as to where drivers stand but at this stage on number of championships won there are EIGHT drivers who have won more championships than Ambrose. There are also TEN drivers that have won 2 championships in succession, one that has won 3 in succession ( Mark Skaife ) and one that has won 4 in succession ( Geoghegan ) . There are 15 drivers that have been on the podium more than Ambrose. And of course he has never won Bathurst.

Yes I agree he is a talented driver and with Lowndes and Ingall one of the three best driving for Ford right now. But he has a long way to go to be even close to the top of the "BEST" driving list in V8s

And on attitude well compare it to the likes of Brock and he just comes across as a spoilt rich boy.

[Patrick]

He hasn't won Bathurst ! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :booty:

Skaife, Murphy and Lowndes have ! :cool:

[LT8888]

IMO NASCAR and talented drivers don't belong in the same sentance!!

[hoon69]

just a couple of corrections :

Fact - he hasn't been offered a NASCAR drive. he has been offered support by Ford to find a NASCAR drive.

Fact - he is not up there with the likes of Skaife etc. He has 2 championship wins and he is only 8th on the most wins list. To put this in perspective EVEN Glen Seton has 2 champioship wins. Its easy to get distracted by recent history and start making claims as to where drivers stand but at this stage on number of championships won there are EIGHT drivers who have won more championships than Ambrose. There are also TEN drivers that have won 2 championships in succession, one that has won 3 in succession ( Mark Skaife ) and one that has won 4 in succession ( Geoghegan ) . There are 15 drivers that have been on the podium more than Ambrose. And of course he has never won Bathurst.

Yes I agree he is a talented driver and with Lowndes and Ingall one of the three best driving for Ford right now. But he has a long way to go to be even close to the top of the "BEST" driving list in V8s

And on attitude well compare it to the likes of Brock and he just comes across as a spoilt rich boy.
ummm he's up past skaife in stats
when skaife started in the v8's he was struggling until he GOT BLESSED and got the HRT DRIVE!

AMBROSE though has been around in less time even 2/3rd's less and accomplished 2 championships
and even the other year etc he was winning races etc
he's the 8th most on wins and compare the years that the other 7 in front have been in the game and compare it to ambrose's what 3-4yrs in the game.

as for 15 others being mosre on the podium then ambrose again your stating the wrong type of stats compare their stats in their first 3-4years in the game and then see who matches whom?

them stats aren't worth squat most the drivers on the list have been in the game years ahead of ambrose
thats why ambrose is the guy being chased and not skaife.

brock has had his fair share in "not so kind words" as has alot of drivers
ambrose aint a spoilt rich boy
he's a talented driver whom like the rest gets revved up and spits out the wrong words at the wrong time sometimes..

he's only hated cause he's No1
if he was No29th he would hardly get mentioned if at all.

[mgygto]

ummm he's up past skaife in stats
when skaife started in the v8's he was struggling until he GOT BLESSED and got the HRT DRIVE!

AMBROSE though has been around in less time even 2/3rd's less and accomplished 2 championships
and even the other year etc he was winning races etc
he's the 8th most on wins and compare the years that the other 7 in front have been in the game and compare it to ambrose's what 3-4yrs in the game.

as for 15 others being mosre on the podium then ambrose again your stating the wrong type of stats compare their stats in their first 3-4years in the game and then see who matches whom?

them stats aren't worth squat most the drivers on the list have been in the game years ahead of ambrose
thats why ambrose is the guy being chased and not skaife.

brock has had his fair share in "not so kind words" as has alot of drivers
ambrose aint a spoilt rich boy
he's a talented driver whom like the rest gets revved up and spits out the wrong words at the wrong time sometimes..

he's only hated cause he's No1
if he was No29th he would hardly get mentioned if at all.

oh give us a break .... on that basis you'd also claim that Alonso is the best F1 driver and up there with Schuy already. The whole point of the statistics is to view the drivers over the course of their career, in different conditions , amongst different teams , in different cars because drivers drive in different eras. Again your bias cannot just dismiss the drivers of the past, they have the records that Ambrose is not yet close to. And I think we all find it funny that whenever Ambrose is mentioned you throw up Skaife as a negative comment - talk about fixated on the HRT driver - simply because I put the Ambrose driving record in perspective you feel a need to attack Skaife :lol: :lol: now that is funny.

[hoon69]

im about as much of a skaife fan as you are of ambrose (im a radisich fan)
how about throwing up some "real stats"

you cant even compare past drivers to current drivers
they aint even close
you want to compare stats over their career/s
get these stats into ya!

ambrose joins in 2001
starts winning races etc by 2002
clinches a title in 2003
does it again in 2004
took him 1 year in the v8's to start winning and 2 yrs to grab a championship.
1st:14 times 2nd:6 times 3rd:5 times

MARK SKAIFE:
debut 1987'
starts winning etc in 1991
1st:35 times 2nd: 23 times 3rd:15 times
wins a title in 1992 in a skyline of all things :bash:
then again in 1994 in a commodore (thankgod)
then not again till 2000,2001,2002
so if ya wanna go for the "real" stats then really skaife took 4 years before he even started winning(which by this time ambrose has 2 championships)and then another year after that before he got a title in a skyline LMFAO
he has 5 titles and imho(and im telling the truth) is a great driver in his "OWN" right,as is ambrose,lowndes,seton,brock,johnson,richards etc etc etc

only guy close to being better or being better in stats and thats lowndes
who is in a ford now and craigs only 25points behind skaife(in 4th) in 6th place this year after DNF a couple etc.

SETON joined in 1984 but took 9yrs before winning 1993 and 1997.


And I think we all find it funny that whenever Ambrose is mentioned you throw up Skaife as a negative comment - talk about fixated on the HRT driver - lol you seem to think your talking for everyone on LS1, are you like the whinger society representitive or something,show me where i attack skaife when ambrose gets a negative reply,im stating my opinion mate get over it!

[mgygto]

im about as much of a skaife fan as you are of ambrose (im a radisich fan)
how about throwing up some "real stats"

you cant even compare past drivers to current drivers
they aint even close
you want to compare stats over their career/s
get these stats into ya!

show me where i attack skaife when ambrose gets a negative reply,im stating my opinion mate get over it!

give it a rest, you cant make the stats lie, if Ambrose catches all of the drivers in front of him then he quite rightly could be considered in the top company until then he is just chasing them
:)

[hoon69]

give it a rest, you cant make the stats lie, if Ambrose catches all of the drivers in front of him then he quite rightly could be considered in the top company until then he is just chasing them
:)your the one who needs to give it a rest
MR i must post after everyones comment
you make 5posts to everyones 1 post..

stats dont lie then name a stat i stated thats BS
give ambrose another 14yrs and he'd "OWN" skaife on stats alone
he might not be in the same league as maybe "brock or richards or johnson" but he's up with or past skaife
so get off ya high horse and accept the "real" facts..

skaife took 5 years to get moving ambrose has taken 4 and has 2 championships under his belt
and he didnt need a nissan GTR turbo to do so,skaife was "average" until he got his HRT ride since then he's did well for holden.

but so has ambrose for ford and for this sport!

[Black_Utester]

your the one who needs to give it a rest
MR i must post after everyones comment
you make 5posts to everyones 1 post..

stats dont lie then name a stat i stated thats BS
give ambrose another 14yrs and he'd "OWN" skaife on stats alone
he might not be in the same league as maybe "brock or richards or johnson" but he's up with or past skaife
so get off ya high horse and accept the "real" facts..

skaife took 5 years to get moving ambrose has taken 4 and has 2 championships under his belt
and he didnt need a nissan GTR turbo to do so,skaife was "average" until he got his HRT ride since then he's did well for holden.

but so has ambrose for ford and for this sport!

yeah - it's call (Ford) throwing money at it - that's why the comp is more competitive. Money talks.

[all4ford]

It'd be silly to expect that people on this HOLDEN forum could be unbias and admit that Ambrose is majorly talented. Results speak for themselves!

[mgygto]

It'd be silly to expect that people on this HOLDEN forum could be unbias and admit that Ambrose is majorly talented. Results speak for themselves!


Yes you are right and here are the results:


WINNING DRIVERS

There have been 344 races that have counted towards the ATCC/SCS after the 2004 season and so far 42 drivers have managed to score at least one win. The 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 Queensland 500 and FAI 1000 and the 2003and 2004 Sandown 500 and Bob Jane T Marts 1000 are Championship races and so both drivers scored a win in each race giving us 12 more winners than races.

Race Wins

WINS DRIVER
37 Peter Brock
35 Mark Skaife
32 Allan Moffat
22 Dick Johnson, Jim Richards
18 Craig Lowndes
17 Glenn Seton
15 John Bowe
13 Marcos Ambrose
11 Russel Ingall
10 Bob Jane, Allan Grice, Colin Bond, Greg Murphy
9 Bob Morris, Ian Geoghegan
8 George Fury
7 Norm Beechey
6 Jason Bright
5 Robbie Francevic, Tony Longhurst
4 Larry Perkins, Garth Tander, Jason Bargwanna
3 Kevin Bartlett, Alan Jones, Steven Richards, Paul Radisich, Todd Kelly, Rick Kelly

2 Jim Mckeown, John Harvey, Steven Johnson

1 Bill Pitt, David Mckay, Charlie O'Brien, Wayne Gardner, Paul Morris, David Besnard, Simon Wills, Cameron Mcconville, Greg Ritter

[hoon69]

yeah - it's call (Ford) throwing money at it - that's why the comp is more competitive. Money talks.yeah your probably right
but it shows that ford are throwing their money the right way
ambrose 2 championships
and they have most of the exholden drivers up there in the points this year
ingall ex perkins racing in 2nd overall
lowndes ex hrt in 6th overall
bright (though a sbr defecter) from PWR in 7th overall
the big shame outta it all is that holden obviously aint as committed to talented drivers such as these cause if its all about money then why not keep such talent in their cars?
all drivers above have and are championship/bathurst material so why not keep them
as you said its all about money and if fords willing to pay up then good for them and bad luck to holden really..



bargs needs some good luck he needs it(deserves it)down in the lower half of the points in 26th-27th

[mgygto]

yeah your probably right
but it shows that ford are throwing their money the right way




i guess that means that Ford think that Radisich is a pretty poor driver then - no money for him ;)

[hoon69]

i guess that means that Ford think that Radisich is a pretty poor driver then - no money for him ;)thats true but thats one driver who fell through the cracks(which i agree shouldnt of thats for sure, and i dont think it was the rats driving skills just a bad streak of luck with the car (DJR SHELL CAR and just plain bad luck aka bathurst) but compare the ex holden drivers to ex ford
$$$$$ is expected to be thrown at em i guess..

[all4ford]

Since mgygto seems to be so good with the figures. Give me the figures for how many race wins from how many starts and convert it into a win percentage, and see who is the most successful driver. Until you can do that, you haven't provided anything that is fair or relevant.

[mgygto]

Since mgygto seems to be so good with the figures. Give me the figures for how many race wins from how many starts and convert it into a win percentage, and see who is the most successful driver. Until you can do that, you haven't provided anything that is fair or relevant.

the reason that stats are not recorded that way is that they are not relevant to the discussion on the most successful driversin the ATCC. there is no doubt in anyones mind that in the past 2 years Ambrose has clearly been the best driver. No debate, no argument. However that doesn't make him the "greatest" , "best" , up there with the "best" etc etc . Thats why stats are recorded for the ATCC the way they are and he sits down the list. Because Richards won the last round does that make him the "best" driver right now.... or what about Murphy , he won the previous round didn't he? Ambrose hasn't won a round since the first round round of the year .... does that mean he is losing his touch?? Of course not! All you can do is look at the records of the drivers and in every instance Ambrose is yet to even make the top 5...maybe he will, maybe he wont...we'll find out when he comes back from the US with his tail between his tassie devil legs
;)

[Smitty]

there is no doubt in anyones mind that in the past 2 years Ambrose has clearly been the best driver. No debate, no argument.

I started this thread (and I might regret this :lol: )
but no, imo ...he's not the best driver
but he DID have the best car, no doubt
that Stone Bros car is one very quick machine


Smitty ducks for cover....


cheers

[seldo]

I started this thread (and I might regret this :lol: )
but no, imo ...he's not the best driver
but he DID have the best car, no doubt
that Stone Bros car is one very quick machine


Smitty ducks for cover....


cheers
Now don't be shy Smitty...i think he is one of the best drivers out there...on a par with the top 4 or 5. But , his car prep (thanks to Stone Bros) is probably the best in the field...Result....a winning combination. I think if you put any one of the top 5 or 6 drivers in Marcus's car, they would also be winners...... Lucky Marcus. Just be careful though that he doesn't start to believe his own PR releases...

[Smitty]

Now don't be shy Smitty...i think he is one of the best drivers out there...on a par with the top 4 or 5. .

yep, would agree with that.....
and with some of the driver swaps between teams lately
it is interesting that no-one has really suddenly got much better or worse
...as in for example has 'the kid' suddenly started finishing 10 places higher
since changing to Ford?...nope went backwards coz of the car
or is Ingalls slightly better finishing positions (after leaving Perkins) up to the car?..probably

what would be really interesting is...to see Ambrose in a Holden
and Skaife in the Stone Bros Falcon and to see how they go...
me thinks some of the bullshit would stop :D

btw
I still think Peter Brock is ....God when it comes to Touring cars :cool:

cheers

[mgygto]

btw
I still think Peter Brock is ....God when it comes to Touring cars :cool:

cheers

was, is , always will be. Easily the best driver we have ever seen in local touring cars.

[all4ford]

I think the best way to measure a driver's ability is to compare him with his team mate. Same car, simliar set up, same team etc. Ambrose has outperformed ingall the last two years n is continuing to do so, by leading the championship from him.

I agree that SBR are the best team and the Pirtek car is undoubtly one of the best cars, if not the best, but driver ability in set up is also a crucial point that decides who is at the front and the back. Something Ambrose seems to be able to do, better than most. If there is understeer etc, he can help to dial it out.

As good as a driver that Craig Lowndes is, probably the best, he does not seem to be able to relay the information back to the team, so as they are able to provide him with a good set up, instead he drives around the problems of the car, and usually he struggles to keep up the fast pace for an extended period of time.

As for the greatest touring car driver of all time, I would go with Dick Johnson, as he never really had factory support but still managed to win bathursts and touring car championships.

[mgygto]

I think the best way to measure a driver's ability is to compare him with his team mate. Same car, simliar set up, same team etc. Ambrose has outperformed ingall the last two years n is continuing to do so, by leading the championship from him.

As for the greatest touring car driver of all time, I would go with Dick Johnson, as he never really had factory support but still managed to win bathursts and touring car championships.

mmm actually Ingall is leading the championship on adjusted points when worst round is dropped....will Ambrose lend him the number 1?

Dick Johnson is certainly worthy of being considered the best, he was a great driver!

[Patrick]

Marcos Ambrose was at it again last night in an interview he gave on Sports tonight on Channel 10.

He was asked "As you've won the last 3 rounds at Eastern Creek, you must really like this track?"
He quickly said "No, not really"
he then went on to highlight the negatives of the track ??? :mad:

IS THIS GUY A SPOILT RICH BRAT OR WHAT!

Sports Tonight said after the interview, "Comments like that won't endear him to track officials or the race stewards"

I'm thinking what about the Sydney fans?
You don't run down a track 2 days out from racing in front of the locals, how stupid ! :bash:

If he gets on the podium on Sunday, I would not like to be in his shoes. :bash: :booty: :lol:

[Chris5.7ltr]

Marcos Ambrose was at it again last night in an interview he gave on Sports tonight on Channel 10.

He was asked "As you've won the last 3 rounds at Eastern Creek, you must really like this track?"
He quickly said "No, not really"
he then went on to highlight the negatives of the track ??? :mad:

IS THIS GUY A SPOILT RICH BRAT OR WHAT!

Sports Tonight said after the interview, "Comments like that won't endear him to track officials or the race stewards"

I'm thinking what about the Sydney fans?
You don't run down a track 2 days out from racing in front of the locals, how stupid ! :bash:

If he gets on the podium on Sunday, I would not like to be in his shoes. :bash: :booty: :lol:
I don't think much would happen if he (Marcos) got on the podium, just look at some of the comments coming from the ford fans in here and other forum.
As far as there concerned the sun shines out of his arse, can do nothing wrong (even after he has been charge with the offences) and is da man.

I had respect for the guy last year, seemed like a nice bloke and one hell of a driver.
My opinion now is he is a selfish little bitch and can't drive in a crowd; it didn't take long for his true colors to show.
His interviews are getting funnier and funnier though, seems to just dig himself deeper and deeper. :lol: :lol:

I still have high respect for Lowndes though, tore me up when he went to ford but he hasn’t forgotten what the sport is all about.

[plonkerchops]

As for the greatest touring car driver of all time, I would go with Dick Johnson, as he never really had factory support but still managed to win bathursts and touring car championships!



Dick Johnson is certainly worthy of being considered the best, he was a great driver!

yeah especially when he up ended the Green Tuff falcon onto its roof just before telling us all how well it steered :lol:
Johnson was too hot & cold , he should have retired 5 years before he did

Hope none of you have forgotten Moffat ....I think he won just a couple of races :eyes:

[plonkerchops]

I still have high respect for Lowndes though, tore me up when he went to ford but he hasn’t forgotten what the sport is all about.

too right , even when getting punted off or crashing , he still maintains his dignity.Wish I had his disposition :cool:
No petulant temper tantrums & waiving fists at passing cars

[mgygto]

Hope none of you have forgotten Moffat ....I think he won just a couple of races :eyes:

Moffat was a great competitor also and it was always a race when he was involved at the front!

[seldo]

Moffat was a great competitor also and it was always a race when he was involved at the front!
No denying that. Pity he was such an arrogant jerk. But you blokes have forgotten the greatest of them all - Pete Geogeghan. He could drive anything with wheels and won in pretty much everything he put his big bum into, despite his 23 stone (that's 146kg !) He drove everything from a Standard 8 to Formula V to Lotus 23b sports, to FJs, F2, sports sedans etc. Very talented steerer...:yup: Kevin Bartlett was also a very talented natural driver who never did as well as he deserved because of lack of suport which curtailed his car preparation. He still did very well though... I could go on....

[FPV GTHO]

Marcos Ambrose was at it again last night in an interview he gave on Sports tonight on Channel 10.

He was asked "As you've won the last 3 rounds at Eastern Creek, you must really like this track?"
He quickly said "No, not really"
he then went on to highlight the negatives of the track ???

IS THIS GUY A SPOILT RICH BRAT OR WHAT!

Sports Tonight said after the interview, "Comments like that won't endear him to track officials or the race stewards"

I'm thinking what about the Sydney fans?
You don't run down a track 2 days out from racing in front of the locals, how stupid !

If he gets on the podium on Sunday, I would not like to be in his shoes.


I think many people share the opinion EC isnt the best track for drivers. You really need to nail setup, overtaking into corners is hard and spectator viewing has been compromised (corporate hill etc), although the facilities of the track themselves are pretty good.

[Smitty]

Moffat was a great competitor also and it was always a race when he was involved at the front!

agree
and
I thought he was brilliant in the early Fords and that Coke Mustang
but he shoulda retired....
the day Brock stuck him in Harveys 025 Commodore (publicity !)
why?
Brock went and drove around him on the OUTSIDE :eek: of one of the corners at Calder ..in effect lapping him



cheers

[hoon69]

Marcos Ambrose was at it again last night
He was asked "As you've won the last 3 rounds at Eastern Creek, you must really like this track?"
He quickly said "No, not really"
he then went on to highlight the negatives of the track ??? :mad:
IS THIS GUY A SPOILT RICH BRAT OR WHAT!
I'm thinking what about the Sydney fans?
You don't run down a track 2 days out from racing in front of the locals, how stupid ! :bash: :lol:actually whats that got to do with any of the fans?
its the track he dislikes not the fans and knowing the ford fans in sydney and alot of car clubs that attend i doubt anything negative at all will happen..
he aint the only driver to hate the track though he blitz'd it the last 2-3 years,in a way its strange to be saying it after winning there so many times(abit like if murphy was to say the same about NZ)
im predicting it wont be the same this year though for MA.

[Devil CV8]

Moffat was a great competitor also and it was always a race when he was involved at the front!
maybe so, but he wasn't a natural talent. he had to do a lot of work to get the results he did...

[Patrick]

I think many people share the opinion EC isnt the best track for drivers. You really need to nail setup, overtaking into corners is hard and spectator viewing has been compromised (corporate hill etc), although the facilities of the track themselves are pretty good.

Isn't that the challenge though?
To be able to conquer any track under any condition is what a racing car driver lives for, the harder the conditions, the better the challenge and test of a their skill.

[seldo]

Isn't that the challenge though?
To be able to conquer any track under any condition is what a racing car driver lives for, the harder the conditions, the better the challenge and test of a their skill.
But there are tracks that have corners and layouts that make them challenging and enjoyable to drive on, compared with others which are just plain old hard work. The design of the corners is one of the main issues and off-camber and slow tight corners are not much fun at all. The ones that are good are those where you suck your breath in and turn-in and your brain is saying "No....no...waaait...OKAY ! HIT IT".. But as you exit the corner you know that you could have gone just a smidge faster.. And then next lap you come into the same corner and you try to force your foot onto the gas a fraction sooner or a fraction longer... And if you happen to nail it perfectly....well...there's just nothing like it...especially while you are still sitting down....;) But you come into a slow corner and the cars tend to understeer and there just isn't the satisfaction - you usually end up getting frustrated and wasting time, and the harder you try, the slower you go.. I guess it's a bit like playing golf. When you hit that perfect drive and the ball goes long and hard and straight..it makes up for all the frustrations. But if you had a course where you went from sand-trap to sand-trap, you'd hate it. Same deal.

[mgygto]

EC is NOT an enjoyable circuit to drive , made even worse with traffic around you - some of those corners are plain wrong and clearly better suited to GP Bikes as originally intended. Having said that motoring around turn 1 at speed is some of the best fun I have ever had in a car!